Friday, November 17, 2017

APURON'S VICTIMS (SOME DID NOT SURVIVE)

This post will stay at the top of this blog until these men receive justice. (For Sonny, it will be posthumously). We also know the identity of the boy involved in the "threesome" with Fr. Antonio Cruz (deceased) and then-seminarian, Anthony S. Apuron as described by Mr. Ray DePlata (here, here, here, and here). The boy is dead.

Roy Quintanilla: Video - Statement - File
Walter Denton: Video - Statement - File
Doris Concepcion (Mother of Joseph Quinata): Video - Statement - File
John "Champ" Quinata (Brother of Joseph Quinata): Video - Statement
Roland Sondia: Video - Statement - File

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69 comments:

  1. Tim,Thank you for keeping my son"s ( sonny ) memory alive..I love and miss him so much....Apuron must be punish for what he did to these men especially to my Son..,
    HEALING CANNOT BEGIN WITHOUT JUSTICE..

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    1. The date (17th) and day (Friday) on the OP header do not match.

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    2. Correct. Because it is Friday, November 17, 2017. In order for a post to stay at the top of the blog it has to be dated in the future as the blog posts chronologically. But thanks :)

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    3. OP? Who uses that? Oh yeah . . .

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    4. No, I am not a NCW Cult member.

      I often submit minor typo correction suggestions, not intending that the comment be published.

      Sorry for not being more explicit. These are the relevant dates:

      Thursday, 17 November 2016
      Friday, 18 November 2016

      There is no such date as:

      Friday, 17 November 2016

      No big deal; sounds like it will be changed again regularly anyway. Keep up the great work!

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    5. Sorry you were misunderstood. I published your comment because I'm sure others might wonder. Thank you for the opportunity to explain. I appreciate the corrections

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    6. Sorry, my mistake. In the original post (OP), I did not notice the year. (!)

      Friday, 17 November 2017

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  2. It's all about MONEY!!!! what a Joke

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    1. Actually they'd prefer to see him in jail or strung up by his nuts. But since they can't do that they'll just take his money. LOL

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    2. Anonymous at 4:02 AM - I hope you or any of your family members will never be abused of molested. This is NOT A JOKE! This is Evil pretending to be our Head Leader of the Catholic Church and this is how he treated his parishioners for many many years.

      These men have suffered and NO AMOUNT OF MONEY WILL EVER TAKE AWAY THEIR PAIN. We have been hearing more and more of the evilness of this Ousted bishop. Taking His Money is the only way that he will ever feel pain since he is so money hungry. Other than that, he feels he has done nothing wrong. I believe Mother Dawn Marie!

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    3. I forgot to say "I believe Mother Dawn Marie AND the Men Who Were Abused and Molested"!

      I guess the saying that you do not act until you calm down so that you can be sure to add everything you are angry about is true!

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    4. 500,000 each'' of Church Money!!

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    5. Justice will require financial compensation to victims and lawyer commission, among others. Unfortunately it will not come from the estate of Apuron and Brouillard. This will be shouldered by the Guam Church, and you know what that means: assets that you, your parents and your grandparents worked hard for, and resources that could have been better used for Catholic education and parish programs. It is not fair, many of us will say, but that is the nature of a corporation sole. Stupid Apuron refuses to step down, further arousing the ire of the people. The overriding concerns at this point are justice and compassion for all victims, if the Church has to be true to its social responsibility. A bitter pill to swallow but we have to move forward, the Holy Spirit will guide our way ahead. I hope that lay people will demonstrate more outrage at the horrendous dilemma that Apuron has placed on our laps, and enabled by David C Quitugua and Adrian F Cristobal. These turkeys deserve to be fried!

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    6. While it is true that our parents, grandparents and ancestors worked hard to build up the church, they also permitted what happened to happen. Even to this moment, 99% of the people involved in this discussion do not want to be known. Only a tiny fraction have put their face and names out there. But for them (a very few had to remain behind the scenes) these atrocities would have gone on unaddressed as they have for decades. WE, the Church on Guam PERMITTED this.



      Victims who preferred to keep their names out of the news, shared (with me) how they were slapped, ridiculed, cussed at, and otherwise shamed into silence by their own parents and grandparents at the slightest hint of clergy misbehavior.

      One of these victims was a teen age girl who was raped by her pastor. Another, a 7th grader, was asked (by the same pastor) if she knew what a “69” was and was told to come to the rectory after school to find out. (The pastor got scared when she showed up with a friend.)

      Another was grabbed and fondled. Several others had stories about their brother, sister, even their mother. In one case, a priest who was having an affair with the mother, raped the daughter while he was at it. But, as one woman told me, there was a belief that you would “get sick” if you spoke out against a priest.

      Even now many people are aware of scandalous behavior of certain active priests in our diocese. Some of their friends even celebrate it. In one case several women wish it was them who the priest was "involved" with instead of one of their friends.

      Make no mistake. WE MUST PAY BECAUSE WE LET THIS HAPPEN.

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    7. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)November 19, 2016 at 3:46 AM

      Thank you, Tim. I agree! Most things don't happen unless they are allowed to happen.

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  3. Guess you don't understand reparation, the act of making someone who has been wronged "whole." Apuron, et al cannot be charged in criminal courts so the recourse available to their victims/survivors is civil sanctions. Translated to monetary compensation. We are a civilized society so sharia laws where bodily parts could be removed is not an option.

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    1. very good point Teri. Throughout his life in the name of the catholic church Apuron used his position to destroy others deny them justice. if he was just a weak human being we would over look.Reality is he is a deeply sick evil man who destroyed the human spirit in man as did Hitle though to different drgrees. No money can buy back sonny. No money can buy healing of mrs Dorris concepcion. No money will remove emotional pain of walter Roy others.
      Money we can lose but we can work to gain money back. we will never be able to buy back the time lost in pain suffering from Apuron and others like him. justice and if no justice Revenge.I belive closing that evil seminary is a part of the justice and we will close it belive me. we will revenge anyone who hid apurons evil.

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    2. what exactly was the nature of the relationship between Apuron and certain seminarians? you will find very unhealthy relationships. RMs is a seminary of sexual perversion sin evil.

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  4. Still, Teri, we can dream, can't we?

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  5. Hope we can watch the court procedings live. BTW where is AAA?

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    1. How much would u charge Apuron for anal penetration?

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    2. If this were to ever happen to my children, I would sue for all he/she has, not to mention in Chamorro " kontodu i fundeyos-├▒a."

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    3. Sorry but what is BTW?

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  6. "It's all about MONEY!!!! what a JOKE"

    This seems to be a fairly common attitude. While it is true that no amount of money can take away the horror these young people suffered it is currently the only means of justice available to them. The criminal statute of limitations is still in effect so that avenue is closed. What is left but a civil action and monetary compensation? It's not the best solution but it's all we have at the moment.

    If it is "all about money" would anyone accept the following scenario? A pedophile molests a child and then hands him a check in the amount of $100,000,000 and walks away a free man. The child will have no financial worries and everyone is happy. Right?

    If it is "all about money" my recommendation is this: Each victim shall receive 75 billion dollars per incident of abuse. If the abuse includes rape the amount goes up to 95 billion.

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  7. I agree that victims should be fairly compensated. But let's not forget the temptation of money and how it can produce greed among lawyers and producing so called victims. We can go too far to the other end. Many times a revolution like the French ends up beheading the founders of the revolution. I'm just concerned that we may end up throwing out the baby along with the bath water. Let's reasonably take care of victims and put a leash on the lawyers, who unlike us, don't really give a damn about the Church we love and want to cleanse. And then there are those who are claiming to be advocates for the victims who are in fact using the victims as cover to hide their real intent: destroy the Catholic Faith, the last bastion against the movement to secularize our world with the tyranny and evil of relativism.

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    1. It's a little late for that. God permitted Jerusalem to be overrun by Babylon and for the Temple to fall to the Romans because of the evil of religious leaders like Apuron, but also because the people did nothing.

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    2. My recommendation for JUSTICE is this:

      Since Apuron and the Gennarini's conspired to squirrel the Yona property away to protect it from lawsuits (Gennarini himself said this), it would be both poetic and divine justice if that property were now sold to pay for those lawsuits. As it turned out, the property ended up being "my precious" and should be cast into the flames of Mordor. Better that than our churches and schools.

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    3. No Tim it's never too late. Let's cleanse the Church not destroy it. There are those who are riding the coattails of this Movement to Cleanse for their own personal and hidden agenda, one of which is to destroy the Catholic Church, perhaps the last thing that stands in the way of secularism. And once so called victims as well as authentic victims see the lure of easy money, they will invariably ask for huge sums beyond what is fair and reasonable. Their attorneys as well will have no inclination to be fair especially off island attorneys. We have made it easy pickings for victims and so called victims and their greedy attorneys, and rightly so, so that we can clean our Church of Apuron and his kind, but the danger now is to go to the other extreme. I can see that even the proceeds of the sale of the Yona property, if the Church is lucky to even get $5 million for it under the current market conditions, will pay only a fraction of what attorneys and so called victims will be asking. Honestly, the danger of the baby being thrown out with the bath water is now a real and definite possibility. Please consider how we should proceed from here. Thank you.

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    4. That's exactly what God did to the ancient Israelites. He cleansed it. Ever heard of the faithful remnant.

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    5. I don't know Tim but unlike you and that faithful remnant, we are just regular average Joes trying to eck out a living. You have been a faithful and worthy watchdog for all of us but unlike you, we are not willing to go to that extreme. Maybe that's the problem. Maybe the Church needs to be destroyed as you suggest and from the ashes, something new and holy will grow. I don't know. That's a goal that I think many of us are not willing to do. We want to clean our Church from the inside and not destroy her from the outside. Please consider that. Thank you.

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    6. Mary Lou Garcia-PeredaNovember 20, 2016 at 5:39 PM

      Anonymous at 2:48 PM, I can understand your reservations, BUT you might find what a certain Fr. Joseph Ratzinger wrote in 1969 interesting:

      The church will become small and will have to start afresh more or less from the beginning.
      She will no longer be able to inhabit many of the edifices she built in prosperity. As the number of her adherents diminishes . . . she will lose many of her social privileges. . . As a small society, [the Church] will make much bigger demands on the initiative of her individual members….

      It will be hard-going for the Church, for the process of crystallization and clarification will cost her much valuable energy. It will make her poor and cause her to become the Church of the meek . . . The process will be long and wearisome as was the road from the false progressivism on the eve of the French Revolution — when a bishop might be thought smart if he made fun of dogmas and even insinuated that the existence of God was by no means certain . . . But when the trial of this sifting is past, a great power will flow from a more spiritualized and simplified Church. Men in a totally planned world will find themselves unspeakably lonely. If they have completely lost sight of God, they will feel the whole horror of their poverty. Then they will discover the little flock of believers as something wholly new. They will discover it as a hope that is meant for them, an answer for which they have always been searching in secret.

      And so it seems certain to me that the Church is facing very hard times. The real crisis has scarcely begun. We will have to count on terrific upheavals. But I am equally certain about what will remain at the end: not the Church of the political cult, which is dead already, but the Church of faith. She may well no longer be the dominant social power to the extent that she was until recently; but she will enjoy a fresh blossoming and be seen as man’s home, where he will find life and hope beyond death.


      As you can see, it's not just Tim Rohr's POV

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  8. best to remove any trace of the evil dictator. Thank God in 30 years he did nothing for the people but destroy them. He built no schools hospitals or projects of mercy or charity.so as this evil rms only place associated with his evil reigme
    we go after that to sell it pay victims. we need to close the evil place down.

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    1. I agree...sell the evil place for as much as we can get, return 2M to the Carmelites, and pay the victims. We cannot continue to see the ghosts of the past still lurking among the walls of RMS. Thanks, Tim and 2:35pm.

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  9. is that all its worth five million ? That will not even cover the trauma of the victims.Seriously 5 million is lose change.

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    1. Today's Market. An easy 40 M

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    2. What's your take Tim...........asshole

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    3. Yawn. I'm winning Rude-ee! ­čśť LOL

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    4. Yeah right!! the Church losing now, real good catholic man if you want to call you that, God will see who is winning LOL :)))))

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    5. I'm winning, Rude-ee! ­čśť LOL

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    6. $5 million is lose change? If we think that is lose change, then bankruptcy is coming.

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    7. @ 2:36, still worried about the money. You should go back and read the reason the Governor gave when he signed that bill to lift the SOL. Don't worry about the money. If we have to go to mass in a smaller, no a/c church, we will. If that is needed for the cleansing, so be it. As Tim said, we have permitted this to happen, we should be ready to sacrifice too.

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  10. hey rude-ee try changing your comebacks with Tim pls...it does get old and no longer funny or entertaining..

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  11. I am not sure how and why Tim thinks the RMS property in Yona can garner an easy $40 million. Tim should contact the AFC if he can do that. I'm sure the AFC will be very receptive. What little I know of real estate, your going to have to find someone willing to spend 40 million plus major improvements to make that property viable for something. In southern Guam, that's a huge risk. The small Agat hotel to this day struggles and has changed hands several times. I tbink we all need a dose of fiscal reality on just how much this archdiocese can fork over to pay for Apuron's sins without burning the house down. Maybe this is what the sentiment of JW's followers want. Burn the house down. Whew!

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    1. LOL. I knew it. Hey Frenchie, LOOK. We outed another one. Thought I smelled something.

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    2. Hey Tim, it's probably that ''shit'' that's coming out of your mouth that you're smelling shit head

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    3. @ 2:44pm. Tim is winning because you don't have an iota of argument attached to your comment.

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    4. The person or persons responsible for these lawsuits against the church is Apuron himself and his band of conspirators in the NCW, I agree that if an asset has to be sold to pay the lawsuits, sell the RMS property in Yona, close down that fake deficient seminary that will be a constant reminder of Apuron's evil legacy. justice for his rape victims have to be compensated.

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    5. The Yona seminary will only be one of many that will need to be sold.

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    6. thank ''Tim'' for that. sell, sell, sell,

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    7. Anon @ 4:12 You bet your ass we want to sell, that way we get rid of all you NEOS lock, stock and barrel. Hell as far as I'm concerned, sell the property, the building and everyone in it. That should fetch a pretty penny. Pius may not be a good sell however, that smell will turn off any potential buyers, Quitugua, will have to be given away free, he's always sick and worth shit.

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  12. For all who are so concerned with bankruptcy I wish you would consider having just one ounce of concern for the young people who had been abused in the past and potential victims in the future. Or maybe we should teach our youth that life is difficult and they might be molested or raped. If it happens they should be strong and tough it out. God forbid we should bankrupt our church, schools, government agencies, etc. Can't they just keep their mouths shut and suffer in silence?

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    1. Of course we want the victims compensated but not the greedy attorneys and so called victims.

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    2. The only "greedy attorneys" so far is the firm that one of the "officious intermeddlers" lined up to so-called defend the archdiocese. They're the only ones making money.

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  13. For all those concerned that the church will be destroyed, come to the realization that no one can destroy the Church that Christ founded, Not any law suit, not any person, not any government, not even the gates of hell. Christ is always in control, the mere fact that he allows this situation with Apuron or the NCW to transpire, is within his knowledge, and for all we know may be for his greater glory, although we cannot say that he is a party to any of the evils that these leaders commit as a results of their free will and perverse hearts. It is our obligation however to oppose these evils of Apuron and the NCW and to seek justice for all those who have been wronged in society, the Church should not concern itself with the material aspects of the world, It should be more concerned with the spiritual aspects of the souls of many, even if we have to celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Cross in a non A/C facility.

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    1. I agree but let's not let the greed of attorneys and so called victims take over.

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    2. And just who are these so called victims are you referring to ??

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    3. 4:09pm Your courage is underwhelming.

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    4. @Anon 1:36PM
      Why is it that when four people come out with allegations that Apuron Abused them, you call them actors, and suspect greed of the Attorneys as the sole reason for all this lawsuits, except that you are a NEO defending your pedophile Tony against his unnatural, perverse, and shameful actions. If you want to blame someone for all this ruckus, It is Tony that is the cause of all this. The convergence of ill actions by Tony, namely the abuses, lying, stealing, giving away property belonging to the Archdiocese, mal treatment of priest, after bearing false witness against them, dividing the church, leaving the truth for a false religion in the NCW, allowing heretical teaching into the Church, abusing the liturgy which he does not have the authority to change. I say the fruits of his labors are rotten to the core, a reflection of the evil and destruction that he has inflicted upon the Church in Guam. Need we say more? Speak up man, what happened, devil got your tongue?

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  14. Anon 4:09 Pm ..Damn these Guamanians ( victims)sure are talented...WHEN THEY'RE GOOD THEY ARE GOOD!!..lol.....needless to say none of them went to acting school either...My advise to you sweet pea is get some lessons from them...maybe,just maybe the people will believe you too..I'm sure they will be more than happy and willing to give you a few pointers to succeed in your acting career OR, whatever it is you want to be....just saying..

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    1. Aren't We Though Anon @ 3:54 AM - No Acting Classes but Getting Great Reviews All Over the World! Unfortunately I must say that Anon @ 4:09 PM just does not have that Natural Talent that he envies! Some of Us Have It - Some of Us DON'T!

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    2. How about those NEO actors with their personal drama such as marital affairs, drug addicts, rapists, ex-cons, fake priests, etc. These NEOS can create their own show and probably raise enough funds to build their own community. To you losers in the RMS, don't waste your time responding...start packing your bags...

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    3. It must be the arrival of Arch. Byrnes that caused diana's personality to change. He/she/it/maybe/mae AKA Diana must present a good behavior.
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      DianaNovember 29, 2016 at 7:18 AM
      Dear Anonymous at 6:33 am,
      I do not use threats, ridicule, and mockery nor impose my beliefs. A dialogue always consist of mutual respect for the other despite their beliefs. The goal of the dialogue is not to impose your belief but come to a better understanding so the two can abide in peace.

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  15. I believe it's also right to sue the Archdiocese of Agana for their part in covering up the actions of the sex abusers/pedophiles. Not only did apuron know no one would believe the victims (in those days), but he also knew he'll only get a penance of "pray two Hail Marys and sin no more" reaction from his superiors at the Archdiocese. Stopping the cover-ups will go a long way towards stopping sex abuse of children. And the only way to stop these cover-ups, initially, is through lawsuits.

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    1. One of the by-products of the recent U.S. Catholic Church clergy sexual abuse scandal was a new focus on the Church's financial transparency and accountability.
      As the scandal unfolded, parishioners learned that in some dioceses, payments related to the scandal had been taking place for years.
      Some of the payments went to victims in the form of settlements or to pay for counseling; some went to pay for the "rehabilitation" of priests accused of pedophile; and some funds were paid out in lawyers fees.
      The vast majority of Catholics was unaware of these payments, and therefore surprised by the magnitude of the scandal.
      A number of parishioners pointed out that, if the Church had been more open in its finances, the expenses associated with clergy sexual abuse, and hence the nature and magnitude of the problem, would have been uncovered much sooner than it was.
      This might have caused church leaders to take action sooner and prevent some of the abusive behavior, especially that by repeat offenders.

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    2. I have been studying many of these comments. As one who challenged Apuron as far back as 1992 it is important that David Lujan really sues Apurons corporation for its inabality to protect victims. Not just Guam saipan also has cases which in time will become public. God only Knows what the Former Bishop of Saipan covered up and the mess he really left behind.

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  16. Why should altar servers be young boys and girls? Is there a practical reason for this? Was this a practice "since ever since"? Or, could it have been promoted by pedophiles in priest's clothing so long ago that we have now come to accept it as the norm?

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  17. I'm not sure if Fr. David Anderson was mentioned in this post but he wasn't mentioned in the newspaper article, he is also another priest that should be on that list! He was the priest in Chalan Pago Church. I know of 1 victim by him but I have yet to speak with him. I'm pretty sure there may be others.

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