tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post1730995367051933789..comments2024-02-29T20:49:12.171+10:00Comments on JungleWatch: THAT STRANGE NON DEVOTIONAL NEOCATECHUMENAL CORPUS CHRISTI Frenchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05189311368021711422noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-20181650864944771872017-06-20T22:54:01.699+10:002017-06-20T22:54:01.699+10:00Also if the direction being received had been foll...Also if the direction being received had been followed better by 1967:<br /><br />- the "charismatic" phenomenon would have gone much better instead of being such a vague, ambiguous and unintegrated thing as it is;<br /><br />- collaborative ministry ditto;<br /><br />- the abuse scandal would have been brought to a smaller and earlier "beginning of the end". St Johns Collegeville (where Law and colleagues sunk the 1985 proposal) and the Poncey Josephinum (Law's alma mater) wouldn't have become such nexuses and a good example would have been set for Abp Pell to shop Mulkearns in 1996. Austin OE (UK)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-7744248880987472422017-06-20T02:15:20.720+10:002017-06-20T02:15:20.720+10:00LaPaz your experience as a former presbyter in the...LaPaz your experience as a former presbyter in the ncw is invaluable. I think there are many other presbyters in the way who are genuinely concerned about what they are involved in but have been influenced not to leave. All they know is the way and they are fearful of being outcasts!<br />Can you give your experience-CONCRETE PLEASE-to offer some hope to others like you who are thinking of leaving? Coragio!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-29012808266905098962017-06-15T16:21:53.631+10:002017-06-15T16:21:53.631+10:00Thank you, Chuck. Obviously, Kiko and Carmen are n...Thank you, Chuck. Obviously, Kiko and Carmen are not in communion with Rome.LAPAZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-29349951102030748802017-06-14T23:35:32.300+10:002017-06-14T23:35:32.300+10:00Thank you, LaPaz.
Carmen and Kiko's actual ...Thank you, LaPaz. <br /><br />Carmen and Kiko's actual beliefs about the Real Presence can be found in two short paragraphs attributed to Carmen Hernandez on page 349 of the 1986 Volume I of the original Guidelines for Teams of Catechists, which I’ve translated from the Italian. Emphasis added by me.<br /><br /><i>“I always say to the Blessed Sacrament Fathers, they built an immense tabernacle: if Jesus Christ had wanted the Eucharist to stay there, <b>he would have made this as a stone that does not go bad.</b><br /><br />Bread is for the banquet, to lead us to the Passover. The real presence is always a means to lead us to an end, which is Passover. <b>It is not an absolute</b>, Jesus Christ is present as a function of the paschal Mystery. “</i>Chuck Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18227690954739498998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-51985013564608412532017-06-14T22:15:01.525+10:002017-06-14T22:15:01.525+10:00Shocking. Such deception. Many of my friends in NC...Shocking. Such deception. Many of my friends in NCW will be devastated when they find out. What are the hierarchy playing at???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-58886609492230989682017-06-14T21:16:18.938+10:002017-06-14T21:16:18.938+10:00If the prophetic directions before and after 1960 ...If the prophetic directions before and after 1960 had been heeded more exactly and less tardily, for example by 1960 a beauty queen may not have been murdered on Easter Eve, and a President may not have needed to leave part of what could have made him tick outside the door. By 1962, and the Council may have gone more coherently. By 1967, and liturgical, birth control related, social justice, environmental and "gender" related questions could have followed a better course - the accompaniment Christians could have given agnostics of good will in those fields and the ordinary suffering public (not to mention themselves) could have been more Holy Spirit filled and more solidly based (less superficially) on the meaning of Holy Scriptures, and hence wouldn't have turned out so unconvincing to so many of the public so soon as it has done (in spite of the propagandists who would be speaking against this).<br /><br />Then Paul's later encyclical on evangelisation, and the 1980 England & Wales document "Easter People" (four-fifths of the content of which was meant to be about GENUINE "active participation") would have already had a foundation they could have been placed on.<br /><br />Unfortunately Teilhardianism had swept the entire Church off its feet before 1960 and their eyes were all off the ball (I was aged 5 then).<br /><br />By the mid 1980s when I came across them, to my untutored eye (whilst having repeatedly requested to be tutored) the NCW looked far more regular than the "regular" Church, in spite of being a veritable "paella" cooked up out of Arians-moriscos-marranos-illuminists-Jesuits-inquisitors-Sodalitium-flamenco dancers and more than a dash of pretend Opus Dei !!! (I just thought Catholics had an inconsequential tendency to act quaint anyway.)<br /><br />I'm not aware that there was Adoration in any parish I knew until the last few years, also I was never catechised in it in spite of repeatedly requesting "catechesis" in general (which I "ended up getting" !!!).<br />Austin OE (UK)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-60303755575871214902017-06-14T13:16:13.233+10:002017-06-14T13:16:13.233+10:00Actually it's quite easy. Most "regular&q...Actually it's quite easy. Most "regular" Catholics do not believe the Real Presence any more either, otherwise they'd never miss Mass, yet a recent Georgetown poll shows that only 22% of people identifying themselves as "Catholic" are "regular" Mass goers, with "regular" meaning attending Mass "at least once a month." <br /><br />This is a direct result of our pastors descacralizing the Sacred Eucharist by doing everything from obliterating any sense of a sanctuary (an area set apart) in the church to permitting the Sacred Eucharist to be handled by any Tom, Dick and Harry in the name of "active participation." <br /><br />We gave away the faith years ago. The Neos' just saw an opportunity to pick up the pieces and build a different church. They call it Catholic because they can. Since most people don't even know what that means. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-31717295101358286922017-06-14T12:40:04.266+10:002017-06-14T12:40:04.266+10:00Thank you Lapaz for this information. I have alway...Thank you Lapaz for this information. I have always wondered why most of the NCW cult members in my parish would never attend any Eucharistic adoration held in the parish. Some the NCW cult members who do who attend Eucharistic adoration are those who were Catholics before being lured into the NCW, while the other NCW cult members who have attended Eucharistic adoration have no clue about what is Eucharistic adoration. It is very apparent that the NCW do not believe in the real presence, if this is so, how can they call themselves Catholic ????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com