tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post2257522201925956088..comments2024-03-27T11:42:13.364+10:00Comments on JungleWatch: TODAY'S PRESS CONFERENCE AND TWO POINTSFrenchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05189311368021711422noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-15027053083622137952017-02-19T01:04:26.886+10:002017-02-19T01:04:26.886+10:00I’m trying to keep an open mind about whether or n...I’m trying to keep an open mind about whether or not --- since the time of his appointment on Oct. 2016 --- Abp. Byrnes has been contacted by Filoni Baloney (his “immediate supervisor”) and ordered to tow Filoni’s party line of defending/protecting the NCW (but to not do it overtly so as not to cause additional raucous from the local Faithful). Based on his words (where generally speaking, he seldom mentions the NCW) and actions (“inaction” is more descript) this interview has me leaning toward the “yes” (as many in JungleWatch have asserted) there is likely dictum from the Filoni Baloney to leave the NCW alone on Guam. The very telling part is Abp. Byrnes’ Top 3 priorities of his administration: (1) address the lawsuits and problems plaguing the archdiocese relating to sexual abuse by clergy; (2) improving on the “dodgey” financial condition of the archdiocese; and (3) confer with the local priests who have felt “left out” by Apuron because they were not NCW followers. All three problems Abp. Byrnes has identified as problematic are tied in one way or another to the presence of the NCW on Guam. For a person described by those who know him and have previously worked with him as a fine balance between one who is spiritually discerning and logical, there is a disconnect between that characterization of him and his inaction in addressing the root of the top three problems in the archdiocese that he himself has identified. That problematic root is the presence of the NCW on Guam. In both his words and actions, Abp. Byrnes “doesn’t go there” as far as the NCW is concerned. My sense is that he knows the NCW’s presence on Guam is problematic --- how can he not have come to that conclusion by now? He’s an intelligent person, logical say those who know him. He is muzzled by Filoni Baloney when it comes to the NCW. The right thing to do is chuck Filoni’s muzzle and administer to the archdiocese and tend to his flock the way Jesus has prescribed, not the way Filoni has prescribed. Abp. Byrnes’ Top 3 priorities will not be resolved until and unless he addresses the NCW presence on Guam --- specifically, crippling them to the level of almost zero influence on the local Church, and better yet, getting rid of their existence on the island. Either solution can be achieved under even one legitimate reason that sits above church politics --- disallowing their heretical teachings and practices to take place in his archdiocese. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-21048210802566404712017-02-15T08:08:11.989+10:002017-02-15T08:08:11.989+10:00"You can't control your own archdiocese.&..."You can't control your own archdiocese." Who are you referring to? Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-7841525233286086932017-02-15T07:35:35.599+10:002017-02-15T07:35:35.599+10:00The Church lets pedophiles skate and you can't...The Church lets pedophiles skate and you can't even control your own archdiocese. <br /><br />Penitentiary monasteries are ancient history. The only imprisoned pedophile priests were put behind bars by civil authorities. One American was sentenced to around 275 years. Civil Courts don't pander to these monsters.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-57322685454440026612017-02-15T05:55:30.189+10:002017-02-15T05:55:30.189+10:00The bankrupt Archdiocese of St. Paul-Minneapolis, ...The bankrupt Archdiocese of St. Paul-Minneapolis, Minnesota and its disgraced, closet homosexual ex-archbishop are textbook examples of what happens when bishops and priests are left to police themselves. Catastrophe!<br /><br />Both the former SPM archbishop and one of his auxiliary bishops were removed in a massive abuse cover-up exposed by their own Chancellor/chief canon lawyer. <br /><br />The booted archbishop was reassigned to an affluent Michigan suburb where the justifiably outraged laity demanded, and got, his immediate removal. He was subsequently welcomed into an extreme right-wing Catholic organization in Northern California's lush Wine Country where he now lives in style. His despicable new groupies are wealthy old clericalists who promote every type of bigotry you can think of. I don't know what became of his ex-auxiliary bishop. He seems to have vanished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-11689407043359497422017-02-15T05:11:40.192+10:002017-02-15T05:11:40.192+10:00Merely leaving it up to civil authority doesn'...Merely leaving it up to civil authority doesn't do the job. Look at the case of lock-in' Loiuie. The civil law didn't line up with the Church's definition so they went down a completely different track. You need a church group with more independence to insure the fight thing is done. AND, instead of Apurun you need an honest bishop who will do the right thing even if it is hard. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-67771859906789951732017-02-15T02:57:09.665+10:002017-02-15T02:57:09.665+10:00Just as un-funny as our laws here in the US. Schoo...Just as un-funny as our laws here in the US. School nurses need parental consent to give sick kids aspirin, but they can dispense prescription contraceptives and send pregnant girls to abortionists without their parents' knowledge or consent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-12463847991704341132017-02-12T23:02:21.906+10:002017-02-12T23:02:21.906+10:00Thank you, Tim, for sparing us the vulgarity that ...Thank you, Tim, for sparing us the vulgarity that is characteristic of comments submitted by the Rude Presbyter Rudy. I, for one, do not miss them. Mary Lou Garcia-Peredanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-46985749154178582732017-02-12T22:32:44.541+10:002017-02-12T22:32:44.541+10:00When is Byrnes going to do something about Rudee a...When is Byrnes going to do something about Rudee and the other priests having affairs? Or is it just same old, same old, wink, wink, nod, nod Old Boys' Club?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-17688451262812100302017-02-12T21:54:54.227+10:002017-02-12T21:54:54.227+10:00He's been very active. Just not publishing his...He's been very active. Just not publishing his filthy crap.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-1407530202925083182017-02-12T20:20:21.787+10:002017-02-12T20:20:21.787+10:00Rudee. Where you been? Silenced? By your pastor? Rudee. Where you been? Silenced? By your pastor? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-27626620093333346302017-02-12T04:12:13.749+10:002017-02-12T04:12:13.749+10:00Guam not wanting Statehood is irrelevant to the US...Guam not wanting Statehood is irrelevant to the US. They already own the place and they'll continue to exert their military presence unimpeded. It's estimated that they'll soon control 40% of the island. More than that if South China Sea threats worsen.<br /><br />Your "intellectual and political leadership" can't even control their own archdiocese, so it's obvious they won't get anywhere with the massive US Government either. <br /><br />I don't mean to sound unkind, but you have to face facts. That's just the way it is.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-43735376687904044032017-02-11T23:48:10.106+10:002017-02-11T23:48:10.106+10:00Long time to regain trust? Will it ever. If ever. ...Long time to regain trust? Will it ever. If ever. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-17481420085692077042017-02-11T22:53:28.465+10:002017-02-11T22:53:28.465+10:00Yes, that Plan from CCOG recommended professionals...Yes, that Plan from CCOG recommended professionals from the community and government whose work involves dealing with sex abuse victims and abusers be the ones to handle any clergy sex abuse. Simple reason: No one can trust the clergy to deal with clergy sex abuse. That is like going to the mafia bosses to tell them that you were beaten up by one of their henchmen. I can see the mafia bosses say, "Don't worry, forget about it." We need independent and objective 3rd party involvement in the handling and resolution of such clergy sex abuse crimes. No one in the Chancery is a professional in this sensitive matter. Any plan to deal with clergy sex abuse MUST include the outside organizations, otherwise, any plan without them included is another SHAM!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-52852646958924046302017-02-11T21:51:37.563+10:002017-02-11T21:51:37.563+10:00Is college of consultors list up to date?? Anybody...Is college of consultors list up to date?? Anybody? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-53286107001117781252017-02-11T18:31:14.286+10:002017-02-11T18:31:14.286+10:00Our elders have frequently said that these days th...Our elders have frequently said that these days the dollar does not go as far as it used to. In the "good old days", they would say, a gallon of gas only cost 35 cents a gallon, now it's almost $4 a gallon, and so many other comparisons on the value of the dollar. I got a new one for you: You know what lawsuits of $80 million dollars can get you nowadays? A visit from Vatican investigators, that's what. As for the apuron "canonical trial," $80 million wil get you the comment, "it's on-going." And that's ALL you're going to get. You want more information, file more lawsuits! Yep, I now agree with my elders that the dollar can't buy much nowadays. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-1002120966961829272017-02-11T17:40:24.296+10:002017-02-11T17:40:24.296+10:00But, Tim, but, Tim the charter is the gold standar...But, Tim, but, Tim the charter is the gold standard : ) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-53205859487649116422017-02-11T17:03:18.990+10:002017-02-11T17:03:18.990+10:00No priests spoke out about sex abuse. The only per...No priests spoke out about sex abuse. The only person inside the Church to speak out was Deacon Stephen Martinez. Apurun wanted to can him, but he survived, even though he was replaced by Deacon "For Sure For Sure" Claros. I think he should be the one to weigh in on sex abuse. Deacon Martinez, where are you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-30114223183469282572017-02-11T15:06:56.054+10:002017-02-11T15:06:56.054+10:00Tim is one hundred percent right.
The only way we ...Tim is one hundred percent right.<br />The only way we could be re-integrated within the US conference of Bishops would be if at a later date Guam decided to become a full fledged State of the USA like Alaska and Hawaii did, or like Puerto Rico is currently considering. <br />But looking at the "intellectual and political leadership " of our island, we are not likely to go down that way any time soon, if ever.<br />Frenchienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-22817612326781324922017-02-11T14:28:36.147+10:002017-02-11T14:28:36.147+10:00Byrnes is just a placeholder for Apuron. He won...Byrnes is just a placeholder for Apuron. He won't do squat.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-39847641303007458712017-02-11T14:07:19.137+10:002017-02-11T14:07:19.137+10:00Anytime the 'observer' slash molester show...Anytime the 'observer' slash molester showed up to observe he was laughed out of town. Loser. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-90956164102950689092017-02-11T13:25:00.010+10:002017-02-11T13:25:00.010+10:00You don't need a damn committee to handle chil...You don't need a damn committee to handle child abuse!<br /><br />The way to do it when child molestation is reported is to immediately suspend the priest and let civil authorities investigate the case. If he's innocent, that makes it official and the accuser's lies can be dealt with. If he's guilty, to hell with him.<br /><br />Actually, I'm in favor of frontier justice for pedophiles, but that's not p.c. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-27321033455580785472017-02-11T12:54:27.172+10:002017-02-11T12:54:27.172+10:00As a corollary to Anon 02/11@12:13 pm's commen...As a corollary to Anon 02/11@12:13 pm's comments: what if no lawsuits were ever filed by these sex abuse victims of apuron/brouillard, will we have the USCCB Charter being adopted for Guam? Will we have Vatican investigators coming to Guam? I seriously doubt it. What we will get is the comment that the Vatican knows, the Papal Nuncio knows, the new Archbishop knows and they are all working "secretly" on the cases. <br />Byrnes said it correctly: it will take a long time to regain our trust. Until then, I, at least, will look at all their pronouncements and their actions with suspicion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-778842910361237522017-02-11T12:53:01.736+10:002017-02-11T12:53:01.736+10:0012:13. Excellent comment! 12:13. Excellent comment! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-92091039767515380112017-02-11T12:51:50.522+10:002017-02-11T12:51:50.522+10:00Number one, is Edivaldo in the college of consulto...Number one, is Edivaldo in the college of consultors?? Number two, the college of consultors is hardly a well oiled machine. Apuron didn't use it for years!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-16421140415540210272017-02-11T12:13:11.169+10:002017-02-11T12:13:11.169+10:00What do Byrnes and his adoption of the USCCB chart...What do Byrnes and his adoption of the USCCB charter on protecting our youth from clergy sex abuse and the Vatican investigators being sent to Guam have in common? My answer: $80 million dollars worth of lawsuits! It is a sad commentary that the Vatican did not do anything publicly to show their interest in the sex abuse victims of apuron until the lawsuits filed grew from Two Million Dollars worth to Eighty Million Dollars! I wonder how much more the lawsuits have to be to get the Pope to announce his interest/visit? <br />Truly, money talks and ... you know what... walks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com