tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post2533976137334319995..comments2024-03-27T11:42:13.364+10:00Comments on JungleWatch: FOR YOUR REVIEWFrenchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05189311368021711422noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-65932912006690367622014-08-25T11:25:02.890+10:002014-08-25T11:25:02.890+10:00To Anonymous August 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM - In resp...To Anonymous August 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM - In response to your comment... "Diana had explain this a thousand times and you continue to twist it."<br />After reading some of her explanations, interpretations, etc., I (and many others I'm sure) have come to the conclusion that Diana is not the brightest crayon in the crayon box nor is she the sharpest tool in the shed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-23716202735982110032014-08-25T11:01:04.736+10:002014-08-25T11:01:04.736+10:00How do you know that they didn't have any prob...How do you know that they didn't have any problem with it? Did they celebrate it the way YOU celebrate it? NOT. Let's see the video of the pope sitting down to consume the consecrated bread. <br /><br />But since you call it hearsay, then tell us yourself. You have it first hand, correct? Do you or do you not SIT to consume the consecrated bread? If so, where is the permission? Produce it and our argument is over. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-50185268049885807192014-08-25T08:20:17.831+10:002014-08-25T08:20:17.831+10:00Anonimous: you are greatly out of the path, if you...Anonimous: you are greatly out of the path, if you cannot read honestly what Vatican Council and Divine Cult said, even in truly recent times. Ask yourself why you need to lie to yourself this way. God would never ask you to lie, Kiko does. Simple logic, get the right reply, please.Beati pauperes spirituhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02134161015107481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-29881560394934294852014-08-25T03:44:32.156+10:002014-08-25T03:44:32.156+10:00right on, jose. probably every parish has some fo...right on, jose. probably every parish has some form of illicit practice of the sacraments. there's a spectrum of them from minor to severe, from individual to parish-wide.<br /><br />but, as you say, we have to address these charitably and pastorally. and note that "charitably" does not always have to mean "nicely." sometimes, we need tough love. i went to fd; i know what tough-yet-charitable admonition is like. :)<br /><br />also, without proof otherwise, we have to accept that the ncw Eucharist continues to be valid, even if illicit. that means we should all be very careful about criticizing the accidentals of the Body of Christ--the appearance, the taste, the size. that is, the hosts that are shown in the pictures may look like small biscotti, but if those have been validly consecrated, they are no longer, in substance, biscotti!<br /><br />not that the ncw should keep on doing what they're doing. but we must insist that they follow the norms because those norms are the expression of unity and communion with the entire Catholic Church; and they ensure proper reverence and protect against abuse.<br />rey dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873954768569450928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-519540156059936422014-08-25T03:09:59.831+10:002014-08-25T03:09:59.831+10:00at coffee hour after Mass this morning, i learned ...at coffee hour after Mass this morning, i learned a saying from one of my friends:<br /><br />"you don't have to step far off from the beam in order to fall." <br /><br />i think that's very apropos to the point i made earlier.rey dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873954768569450928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-5970562226251560892014-08-25T02:48:09.301+10:002014-08-25T02:48:09.301+10:001:33PM. Yes, IT was corrected. And you chose not t...1:33PM. Yes, IT was corrected. And you chose not to obey. In fact, you chose to do something much worse. You made a new lie, telling the people that this was the way approved by Rome when it wasn't. The people in the pics are not culpable because that was the way it was done before the statute. But you ARE culpable. Because now you have the statute and you don't just ignore it, you blaspheme it. And for Egivaldo/Diana, this violation is extremely grave on his part, not to mention the archbishop's. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-15775471038500130782014-08-25T00:14:54.688+10:002014-08-25T00:14:54.688+10:00I agree that it appears that people who become neo...I agree that it appears that people who become neos are at a spiritually desperate and emotionally vulnerable point in their lives. The catechists take advantage of this. They feel saved. People who leave the neos are ones who can figure things out for themselves. <br />It is disturbing how they ignore the proper distribution and consuming of the consecrated host or bread as in their case. What's more disturbing is that they feel justified in doing so.<br />Eileen Benavente-Blas<br />eileenbbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12190641393439863817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-18471215385481597102014-08-24T23:46:05.744+10:002014-08-24T23:46:05.744+10:00@ 5:58 PM: That's because they honestly belie...@ 5:58 PM: That's because they honestly believe they are not illicit. Not for any other reason but because they are told so. Even when evidence is presented to them, they still refuse to acknowledge this. <br /><br />That is why this is such a delicate situation within our families and with our friends. We must to continue to speak the Truth <i>with charity</i>, without resulting in our loved ones burrowing in further. <br /><br />Just listen to their testimonies, they have deeply invested themselves in trusting the NCW leaders that it's difficult to hear of error. You would too if you were in their shoes. <b>I don't fault them for being on the defensive. But I do hold them accountable for remaining obstinate.</b><br /><br />What can we do?<br /><br /><br />For us, we have to remain charitable to those members for they are Catholic and they do wish to remain Catholic. It's obvious they did not join with the intent to separate from the Church. <br /><br />For us, <i>we must be licit in our own worship.</i> Every parish is guilty of tolerating illicit liturgical activities. Some examples are those in line for communion only to cross your arms on your chest for a blessing; excessive greeting during the rite of peace, greeting people on the way to and from receiving communion. Feeling defensive yet? And that's just the short list. <br /><br />For us, it's not enough to point fingers at the other side. For us we have to be just as diligent in scrutinizing ourselves. <br /><br />On the whole, we absolutely need the Archbishop to be able to speak and clarify to this and to <b>do so pastorally and objectively.</b> So far, there is no confidence. That's why it matters. Jose M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08952497464662156978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-9187314420957547132014-08-24T22:39:43.134+10:002014-08-24T22:39:43.134+10:00I can not help but observe that most NCW members h...I can not help but observe that most NCW members have gone through significant emotional events in their life that has make them vulnerable in a sense. So they are a little weak so to say. Then they get pulled in during their darkness times and "walk the Way". Are these the people we want leading and changing our church? I for one would prefer a person with a strong and sound mind who knows the way without this type of community influence. People like those five priest that stood up for our Church, Monsignor James B., who was harassed and fired for standing up for our Church! As well as other priest who have done similar things to help our Church. We need a real leader on Guam. We demand true leadership for Guam and for God..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-13278536133006688952014-08-24T19:54:11.165+10:002014-08-24T19:54:11.165+10:00Alter in the center? This Bishop thinks otherwise....Alter in the center? This Bishop thinks otherwise.<br /><br />http://cathnews.co.nz/2014/08/22/chch-bishop-modernist-church-designs-havent-helped-liturgy/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-69349277691084061712014-08-24T17:58:32.148+10:002014-08-24T17:58:32.148+10:00one thing is for sure....a Neo group forming in ...one thing is for sure....a Neo group forming in the south still receive communion sitting down (at least for a particular Eucharist celebrated in the last month or so). Of course the 'split' itself was still performed. My point is obviously these illicit acts are still performed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-41809008964724423432014-08-24T17:46:56.866+10:002014-08-24T17:46:56.866+10:003:04 Perhaps bread and oil. Very European. Can b...3:04 Perhaps bread and oil. Very European. Can be quite tasty . Roy's has it at the Hilton you can sit down there too and eat it. Neo is free though but has a limited serving,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-31352537833309956062014-08-24T17:35:09.168+10:002014-08-24T17:35:09.168+10:00I didn't know there was a new Protestant churc...I didn't know there was a new Protestant church on Guam. Kudos to them. Now leave the real Catholic Church alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-23624154020298739672014-08-24T16:39:31.031+10:002014-08-24T16:39:31.031+10:00Members of NCW. Do you realize Mass is a sacrifice...Members of NCW. Do you realize Mass is a sacrifice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-25995694583612479962014-08-24T15:26:41.232+10:002014-08-24T15:26:41.232+10:00Catholic church is now under attack by the neo sec...Catholic church is now under attack by the neo sect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-55224287537487749962014-08-24T15:25:38.488+10:002014-08-24T15:25:38.488+10:00AMEN brother!!AMEN brother!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-53809725815320845022014-08-24T15:24:39.057+10:002014-08-24T15:24:39.057+10:00Believe this to be true 1.27pm. Sect is not only c...Believe this to be true 1.27pm. Sect is not only causing disunity in the church it is also dividing the family. Mother against daughter and son against father, wife against husband. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-82412641947865428182014-08-24T15:14:13.914+10:002014-08-24T15:14:13.914+10:00Rosemary would you like to see some videos that Sa...Rosemary would you like to see some videos that Saint Pope John Paul II, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI celebrated the Neocathecumenal Way Eucharist and has no problem with the celebration. Your plagued with hate and you've inherit it from this blog. If you only know hearsay then you are blind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-12174497908631128232014-08-24T15:04:36.895+10:002014-08-24T15:04:36.895+10:00Looks like they are eating 'grilled cheese&quo...Looks like they are eating 'grilled cheese" ??? It also looks like a Protestant gathering. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-89202227244572993852014-08-24T14:12:47.563+10:002014-08-24T14:12:47.563+10:00Why does the NCW work so hard to be disparate? Wh...Why does the NCW work so hard to be disparate? Why be so contentious on correcting the correctable? Why be so determined to remain divergent to a liturgy that is open for all?<br /><br />The one definitive factor that binds any organization is their liturgy. When the liturgy is changed, it become something else. The NCW leaders should embrace their differences and officially separate themselves from the Church if they insist on remaining in variant. These exceptions are not minor or superficial. They manipulate the theology and the wisdom that the Church has made firm. <br /><br />In 2008, the Church had finally allowed certain variances clearly laid out in the approved NCW Statutes. Any other variance not permitted is illicit. There is no declared probationary period anymore. The "experimentation" grace period has concluded.<br /><br />I pray that those walking in the way that truly desire to worship according to the liturgy of the Catholic Church realize that their NCW leaders are flat out manipulating the truth of the non-congruence with the Church. Jose M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08952497464662156978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-49913518095752742812014-08-24T14:09:17.804+10:002014-08-24T14:09:17.804+10:00"What sort of a banquet does one go to which ..."What sort of a banquet does one go to which requires you to stand rather than sit?" So asked one Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron, OFM Cap., D.D. To this question, the Archbishop might add the following: And what sort of banquet doesn't include some dancing? And what sort of banquet requires an altar, or temple, or a priest, when a fiesta table and some chairs from the mayors office will suffice? And what sort of banquet serves what the Archbishop describes pejoratively as "wafer-thin...bread," which doesn't even taste good and is not very filling? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-75431446486917369692014-08-24T13:47:23.092+10:002014-08-24T13:47:23.092+10:00illicit practice is often a slippery slope toward ...illicit practice is often a slippery slope toward invalidity or even excommunication. it might be only a slight slope or it might be a steep one, but beware of it, regardless.<br /><br />local members of the ncw need to do some individual and collective soul-searching. are you faithful to your own ncw statute? to the norms of the roman rite? if not, why aren't you? what good reasons do you have for disregarding the norms and doing things your own way, even teaching your children to do so?<br /><br />on that last question: children have the <b>right</b> to be taught the authentic faith and to learn right worship. that is a serious obligation expected of parents. is what you're teaching your kids the authentic Catholic faith and true Catholic worship?rey dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873954768569450928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-80269969474000903272014-08-24T13:33:56.922+10:002014-08-24T13:33:56.922+10:00AnonymousAugust 24, 2014 at 12:44 PM - is that the...AnonymousAugust 24, 2014 at 12:44 PM - is that the most intelligent response you got? It was corrected, if you don't see it in flesh like Tim. Stop speculating. Diana had explain this a thousand times and you continue to twist it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-71655238653088574642014-08-24T13:28:47.425+10:002014-08-24T13:28:47.425+10:00My sadness on this matter stems from the fact that...My sadness on this matter stems from the fact that the very sanctity of the substance that we receive during communion has been reduced to nothing more than a snack someplace elseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-53853202614069266062014-08-24T13:27:51.626+10:002014-08-24T13:27:51.626+10:00@ 10:14 AM, why don't you ask Pachot Pius to t...@ 10:14 AM, why don't you ask Pachot Pius to tell you the real TRUTH! As for the many NEO friends I have, some have told me that although they do not believe all that is taught, they are in the NCW first, because the readings help them in their life and second, because of their family, they do not want any division between husband and wife/ children. What can one do when staying in the NCW is the only way to keep peace within the family household? The saying goes, if you can't beat them, join them.<br /><br />Sadly, some people are just stuck in the mud! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com