tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post2788015243134732747..comments2024-03-27T11:42:13.364+10:00Comments on JungleWatch: WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS POST BY DIANA?Frenchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05189311368021711422noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-22209590223591842014-05-23T02:21:24.534+10:002014-05-23T02:21:24.534+10:00His theology of priesthood is really alarming. For...His theology of priesthood is really alarming. For kiko it is a numbers game this is why seminarians are pushed fast through r,m s. however, the theology of the priesthood is weakened down. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-86432871451625308382014-05-22T21:21:37.438+10:002014-05-22T21:21:37.438+10:00The new order limits the role of the priest and hi...The new order limits the role of the priest and his function within the community. That is why they changed the language. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-16054523539856076982014-05-22T20:04:51.236+10:002014-05-22T20:04:51.236+10:00Hello again all!
What seems to be missed here is t...Hello again all!<br />What seems to be missed here is the apparentness that no matter who comes on here anonymously to defend the NCW, light can only be shed on one<br />truth. "My Catechists said so, therefore it has to be true!" The proponents of the NCW will profess it in this manner no matter what the Holy Father says. I just love the nitpicking of what is to be proclaimed as well. Sounds like the Bible Verse armed JW's that walk our villages and try to proclaim their version of the Bible. The NCW does the same thing when they go out 2 by 2. Here we go folks, another religion in the making. Like Luther, I will eat up the pieces I want and spit out the pieces I don't like.<br /><br />The phrase of the day is "JOY"<br /><br />Kenneth G. San AgustinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-54148944881122166072014-05-22T04:42:05.934+10:002014-05-22T04:42:05.934+10:00Another seminarian?
Because Diana wants to stay ...Another seminarian? <br /><br />Because Diana wants to stay anonymous (such a poor Christian witness) we get to believe whatever we want about her. If we want to believe she is Father Adrian, we can. If we want to believe she is the Archbishop, we can. This is the price of anonymity. <br /><br />And yes, the Pope does approve the NCW and that approval is codified and promulgated in your Statute, which as the Pope says "constitutes therefore your regulatory charter of reference." And so long as the NCW conforms to its regulatory charter, then we approve it too. <br /><br />But then that's the PROBLEM, isn't it!Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-50260602987872714412014-05-22T04:07:36.826+10:002014-05-22T04:07:36.826+10:00Good question. I will answer it in a post. Good question. I will answer it in a post. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-5897948112253344332014-05-22T00:54:23.493+10:002014-05-22T00:54:23.493+10:00There’s no question in my mind that the use of “pr...There’s no question in my mind that the use of “presbyter” by Kiko is intended to diminish the role of the priest. Catholics generally hold that Christ fulfilled the office of priest when He offered Himself as a sacrifice in expiation for our sins. It is difficult to attack the role of priests as men specially charged with celebrating the Paschal sacrifice when this role is modelled after Christ’s own priestly conduct. Recall, however, that Kiko does not believe that Christ’s death was a Paschal sacrifice; and that it was only after the Church intervened that the NCW was forced, against its wishes, to recite the Agnus Dei at Mass. Thus, Christ’s death, in the view of Kiko, does not provide a model for and does not support this unique and most important role which normal Catholics ascribe to priests, i.e., to go before the altar and celebrate the Paschal mystery. Thus, Kiko (in his mind) is free to strip this role from priests.<br /><br />In addition, Kiko does not like temples and altars. He thinks that these are vestiges of inborn dumb religiosity. Rather than build upon man’s natural inclination toward the divine – as prescribed by the Church – Kiko believes that natural religiosity is an impediment to one’s spiritual journey and should be discarded in favor of a more mature religiosity. So, Kiko replaces the altar, which in his view is an apparatus of primitive religiosity, with a banquet table. Of course, altars are where priests carry out the most important aspect of their priestly office: the sacrifice of the Mass. Thus, altars are inextricably bound up in the special sacerdotal powers accorded to priests. Kiko’s disdain for altars is just part and parcel of his disdain for the special sacerdotal powers accorded exclusively to priests. Recall that Diana states that at Neo Masses all of the congregants, not just the priest, concelebrate the Mass.<br /><br />So, Kiko wants to strip priests of their unique sacerdotal powers. Protestants wanted to do the same thing. That’s exactly why they substituted the words “presbyter” or “elder” for “priest” when they broke from the Church. (Presbyter, of course, derives from the Greek word for elder). Yes, presbyter was used by the early Church as a name for priests; but the powers specially accorded to these presbyters outstripped the traditional meaning of presbyter. That’s why English speaking Catholics use the word priest rather than presbyter or elder; and why Protestants use the words presbyter or elder rather than priest. Put another way, regular Catholics and Protestants know the difference in meaning between priest and presbyter; and they know that the difference is huge. "Priest" accords special sacerdotal powers, while "elder" strips the bearer of that name of any special sacerdotal powers. <br /><br />I also think that it is important to note that the intent behind this substitution of presbyter for priest is made even clearer when you look at Kiko’s native language, Spanish. There “presbitero” replaces “sacerdote.” <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-72615438227584596982014-05-21T23:24:10.455+10:002014-05-21T23:24:10.455+10:00the Unity in my parish is finished; the Kiko infil...the Unity in my parish is finished; the Kiko infiltration completed; the scorning of well established Priests accomplished; & most of the Parishioners are simply scratching their heads. They KNOW something isn't right but can't put their fingers on it.A'Esquecidahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05438634956280175062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-45208277241989731902014-05-21T22:45:55.408+10:002014-05-21T22:45:55.408+10:00Months ago someone wrote on the comments talking a...Months ago someone wrote on the comments talking about the old order and the new order. The new Jerusalem. Sure you remember these comments. Remember thinking what a strange way to think and write. But now I see kiko and this group does have a new order which is their new Jerusalem, which they want to each. What is even greater concern to me is the Mac thinking on purgatory. It is strange and causing upset in people. Of cors we all want to,go,direct to heaven and believe our loved ones are there. Kiko is appealing in his teaching of direct entrance to the new Jerusaleem, the new order. It sounds good charismatic. But it's not catholic teaching. So we stand between asking do we follow the old order the church,mor the new order kiko. Our conscience tells us follow the old order the church. Even if it's dull compared to kiko's thought remain loyal to the church. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-36936127515011142132014-05-21T19:04:02.612+10:002014-05-21T19:04:02.612+10:00Tim,
I admire what you do on this blog and thank ...Tim,<br /><br />I admire what you do on this blog and thank you for sticking your neck out while others like myself choose to stay anonymous on this blog. I was wondering, if the Pope decided that the future of the church was the NCW and all it's practices, would you follow?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-3987798565472225212014-05-21T18:52:01.864+10:002014-05-21T18:52:01.864+10:00Even stupid people can have their own blog.Even stupid people can have their own blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-3015915129308507122014-05-21T17:39:59.424+10:002014-05-21T17:39:59.424+10:00Diana is not fr. Adrian and I'm not Diana we d...Diana is not fr. Adrian and I'm not Diana we don't know who diana is and by the way the Pope does approve the way you might just be writing it up to just scare people I pray for you and those who persecute the way and peace be with youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-24813038073464482082014-05-21T15:32:22.679+10:002014-05-21T15:32:22.679+10:00Perhaps there won't be any priests in Kiko'...Perhaps there won't be any priests in Kiko's New Order. Sending them in close quarters and such familiarity with young mothers of the way on missions, there will soon be infidelities. Only human nature. Not prudent idea. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-49741494790528759682014-05-21T15:02:36.169+10:002014-05-21T15:02:36.169+10:00Like the world was never secular before!Like the world was never secular before!Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-81669173674393679872014-05-21T15:01:59.210+10:002014-05-21T15:01:59.210+10:00Yes. Kiko has no regard for priests. They will be ...Yes. Kiko has no regard for priests. They will be discarded in his new order:<br /><br />"This was the idea of the past catechesis: the necessity of<br />giving the signs of faith: Love in the dimension of the cross<br />and Unity. These are the signs the pagan world is waiting for<br />because the other signs (the temple, the Mass, the priest, the<br />bishop) are not strong enough signs for it; in fact, they<br />presuppose faith. These signs are no longer valid in a<br />secularized world like ours to call an atheist to faith. It's<br />necessary to give new signs." - Kiko Arguello, Catechetical Directory, Vol 1., pg 36Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-55871855658335739762014-05-21T14:37:29.051+10:002014-05-21T14:37:29.051+10:00Dear ANON 1:47 PM:
I think you are right, but to ...Dear ANON 1:47 PM:<br /><br />I think you are right, but to be exact, the word "presbyter" is an ancient word and can be found in the Acts, but it was used interchangeably in the Acts to mean priest, bishop, and deacon. The Church refined the definition to be exact; hence, the terms priest, bishop, and deacon are for specific offices. I think Kiko's preference for the term presbyter is to slowly imbibe the notion that neo communities are being led by presbyters which do not have to be priests! If you think about it, his celebration of the Eucharist, in how he interprets it, does not need a priest to preside. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-8602962857377046102014-05-21T13:47:41.528+10:002014-05-21T13:47:41.528+10:00"participation in all that the holy night sig..."participation in all that the holy night signifies"<br /><br />I don't know, Holy Night for me is Christmas time, not the Easter Vigil! Do you have the same strange feeling here as I have? It is like a sneaky attempt to redefine the language of Christianity. In the long run, this strange language would erode, invalidate and replace all of our learning about Christ himself! Just think about the novel "presbyter" language replacing the good ole' priests we are familiar with. Or the "celebration of Eucharist" replaces mass and devotion. "Echos" are replacing the sermon. The plain flower table is replacing the altar. The church hall replaces the church building. Kiko's songs are replacing all sacred music. Kiko's paintings replace Catholic art. His "spiritual" rants are replacing the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Even spiritual retreats are replaced by "connivense" or what... Do you see what I mean?? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-12170652851618256552014-05-21T13:40:25.986+10:002014-05-21T13:40:25.986+10:00Where there are multiple churches or chapels in th...Where there are multiple churches or chapels in the vicinity of a main church, such as is the case at St. Peter's, multiple Easter candles may be blessed at the Easter Vigil and then later distributed to those chapels. This is also the case for mission chapels and cluster parishes. See USCCB, Eighteen Questions of the Paschal Triduum, No. 14. Joy!Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-65055925781482696952014-05-21T13:33:48.625+10:002014-05-21T13:33:48.625+10:00Not that you can see. Not that you can see. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-7480958901145552802014-05-21T12:38:00.570+10:002014-05-21T12:38:00.570+10:00There is no doubt that the Vatican stated that the...There is no doubt that the Vatican stated that there is no room for misunderstanding what the Pope said. He meant what he said, and the negative impressions that resulted from his words, which Kiko is so worried about, was the desired effect. The Pope's words were meant to teach and to remind us that ecclesial communion is paramount and trumps any ritual that the NCW practices. He is telling the NCW to conform or adjust or amend or modify anything that you are doing or practicing to preserve UNITY in a parish and diocese. Even more, the Vatican letter made it clear that this directive applies to all, and not just to the NCW. To my NCW brothers and sisters: please listen to the Pope and please be acutely conscious of ecclesial communion. Kiko may want his way only, but Kiko is not the Pope. Courage!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-60019715163253346512014-05-21T12:30:05.769+10:002014-05-21T12:30:05.769+10:00During the announcement for Easter the catechists ...During the announcement for Easter the catechists for Guam spoke about the letter and spun it just as Zenit did. They said the Pope reaffirm his love for the Way and in fact according to Kiko he said he was very uncomfortable turning his back to the Pope and apparently the Pope told him that angels have no back. The spinning that goes on in the Way is really bad. <br /><br />In fact they bashed Pope Benedict for trying to change them, but said Pope Francis is an ally and that the Way can continue because he loves them. <br /><br />The catechists called Kiko a prophet and that he announces the Good News and the time is coming for a great change and the Way will be in charge of it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-19851233618043245202014-05-21T12:27:44.152+10:002014-05-21T12:27:44.152+10:00Dear Mr. Rohr:
I recommend you send your analysis...Dear Mr. Rohr:<br /><br />I recommend you send your analysis to the Holy Father, so that he can see how his bishops, priests, and flock are interpreting and implementing his words and directives. Perhaps the Vatican is reading your blog now but there is no harm in communicating with the Holy Father directly, and if he does read it, then even better. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-9438521214318070472014-05-21T11:53:31.387+10:002014-05-21T11:53:31.387+10:00Thank you Tim. This is is an honest and true evalu...Thank you Tim. This is is an honest and true evaluation of what happened with the zenit article. Congratulations. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-13043888800298516672014-05-21T11:23:14.411+10:002014-05-21T11:23:14.411+10:00She says she is not male! She says she is not Jac...She says she is not male! She says she is not Jackie T! When you type Jennifer Dulla on her blog.....NO RESPOSE! What does that say?<br /><br />She,probably gets,some kind of input before writing on her blog. It takes time to do research. She is an advocate and avid writer for the Neocats in the Umatuna si Yu'us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-41021192968728749512014-05-21T11:01:48.549+10:002014-05-21T11:01:48.549+10:00no substance, all spin. it is the state of the wor...no substance, all spin. it is the state of the world in the end of times. the father of all lies was given 100 years to destroy The Bride of Christ. the weapon he chose was 'WORDS'. interesting, right?! Always, always ask for the source, & author, of what someone told you. & THEN make discovery of who OWNS the source!! <br /><br />~ that would be: "Innovative Media Inc.,the publisher of ZENIT in all its language-editions, is a non-profit organization based in New York. It is registered in various states of the United States and currently has its offices in Georgia. <br />There is, however, no real home base for the ZENIT team. ZENIT's office is the Internet." <br />"ZENIT is an independent, professional news agency that does not represent nor belong to the Vatican. " http://www.zenit.org/en/about/2003<br /><br />~ "One report appearing in the progressive Commonweal magazine alleges that Innovative Media is a "front" for the Legion of Christ." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenit_News_Agency<br />~ now go here, the LoC scandal @ Zenit: "It is never easy for Catholic agencies to find a middle ground that is able to please both agency owners (which are often religious institutes) and those who work and write in these agencies. Colina’s dismissal is an open wound within the Legion, still afflicted by internal divisions following the scandal which put Marcial Maciel Degollado under the spotlight. ( Fr. Marcial Maciel, the Legion’s founder, "was accused of leading a double life. He was a priest but also a father and a child molester." ) Now the information service providing news about the Pope and the Catholic Church, will be directly managed by the editor of Zenit (the religious order of the Legion of Christ) through the executive board’s President, the Legionary priest, Óscar Náder, the man who wanted Colina to be sacked." http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/inquiries-and-interviews/detail/articolo/legionari-legion-of-christ-legionarios-agenzia-di-stampa-press-agency-agencia-de-prensa-zenit/<br /><br />in short: "Do not let these people into your parish!" http://charismatic-heresy.blogspot.com/2007/02/neocatechumenal-way.htmlA'Esquecidahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05438634956280175062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-68430104384102863442014-05-21T10:25:58.990+10:002014-05-21T10:25:58.990+10:00Good one....sola scripture LUTHER!Good one....sola scripture LUTHER!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com