tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post3343261339771634391..comments2024-03-27T11:42:13.364+10:00Comments on JungleWatch: HMMMMM - RENOVATIONS FOR AGAT?Frenchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05189311368021711422noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-66180254627185472292014-08-10T20:41:49.556+10:002014-08-10T20:41:49.556+10:00i used to have all the copies of the catechesis, s...i used to have all the copies of the catechesis, scrutinies, steps, liturgies along with the instructions back in PI. When i went back to get it, my friend in the community gave it all back to the catechist without my permission. What i carry with me are my experiences of 22 years as catechist, itenerant, seminarian in the community. i know most of what they do and why they do it and it could be refuted and brought to light their intentions. I too have been upset as to the changes going on in the parishes here in Guam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-87408274664718397232014-03-27T22:15:03.502+10:002014-03-27T22:15:03.502+10:00I guess the colors of the NCW is red flooring cove...I guess the colors of the NCW is red flooring cover with bright yellow wall!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-16704308324712584032014-03-27T17:12:10.786+10:002014-03-27T17:12:10.786+10:00Anon 3/27 @ 11:37...
there is already a division. ...Anon 3/27 @ 11:37...<br />there is already a division. Unfortunately the Three Stooges on the Hill refuse to reach out and try to listen to concerns and mend fences. I can no longer respect a leader who hids from the problem, and then seemingly goes out of his way to make the problem even worse. Look at his bold actions since Aug/Sep. He has totally drunken the kiko kool aid.<br />He is a real disaster and Rome had better replace him soon before a schism erupts.<br />Janet B - Mangilaonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-58457613886198685362014-03-27T16:06:16.368+10:002014-03-27T16:06:16.368+10:00I don't think so. I think this person is part...I don't think so. I think this person is part of the community of Father Eduvaldo or whatever his name is. I think I know who it is, but that will come later after I confirm it! No need to make false accusations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-30138175212700260492014-03-27T15:08:07.580+10:002014-03-27T15:08:07.580+10:00Anon 25 Mar 5:50 AM, You sure do sound like the pe...Anon 25 Mar 5:50 AM, You sure do sound like the person that said the ncw is a gift from God, the Holy Spirit. Jes of Chalan PagoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-29123859751689115372014-03-27T11:37:40.916+10:002014-03-27T11:37:40.916+10:00It amazes me that these chapels now have restricti...It amazes me that these chapels now have restrictions imposed as to who can and cannot use them. My understanding is that families donate their property and a chapel is built to accommodate those living in the vicinity. These people are probably the same ones who with their hard earn money and labor of love built them. To deny someone the use like the family in Canada Barrigada, because the NCW services comes first is appalling. <br /><br />If I can recall as posted here somewhere in the jungle, the family that was refused the used of the San Ramon Chapel, was approached on the day of the funeral by a NCW member who stated that if the family had asked him/her about using the Chapel permission would have been given. This only tells us that the NCW is slowly taking over the church on the dos and the don'ts of what is allowed in the church.<br /><br />It makes me wonder if later in life the NCW will become mandatory for being initiated into the Catholic Faith. If this should ever happen, there will most certainly be a division within the Catholic Church here on island. I know for a fact that the Archbishop is pushing the NCW in the faces of people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-44142003844535477292014-03-27T11:02:50.060+10:002014-03-27T11:02:50.060+10:00Again, the "horrible" comment was relati...Again, the "horrible" comment was relative to the neo-arrangement and furnishings in the Santa Ana chapel in Agat, NOT the main church, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-8312218708376476782014-03-27T10:42:11.495+10:002014-03-27T10:42:11.495+10:00As a layman non NCW member of agat church I just f...As a layman non NCW member of agat church I just find the placing of the altar and other objects creating a very busy kind of space. Is it not best to have a clear spacious sanctuary with the focus on the tabernacle and nor the altar on all these red carpets and colors that hit you when you look at the church interior design. Think this is what the comment of 1121am means. The church is not horrible. But the interior layout is the problem. That's how I see it. Sorry If I'm wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-84417643049048537292014-03-27T10:18:04.775+10:002014-03-27T10:18:04.775+10:00I rather suspect that the above is an impostor com...I rather suspect that the above is an impostor comment - meaning it is not a comment by a neo. I am getting a lot of these lately and I must let you know that these comments hurt the discussion. I am letting this one through so I can make a point of it. Please don't waste my time. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-14349100869868851622014-03-27T10:11:28.719+10:002014-03-27T10:11:28.719+10:00Why the focus on agat church now. We can all live ...Why the focus on agat church now. We can all live together in peace. We who are walking can have our liturgy and Eucharist then those who want the common mass ,can go to their mass. This is 2014 we can have differences on how the mass is produced, ts the same God. Does he really matter that the NCW is different from the. Ofm on mass. Infact it shows we have evolved the mass from what it was bringing it into the modern world. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-31071907504654268602014-03-27T06:28:09.267+10:002014-03-27T06:28:09.267+10:00Yes. This is how people who cannot deal with issue...Yes. This is how people who cannot deal with issues deal with issues. They make it about me. For the record (see original post), I had no criticism of the renovations of the Agat church and am indeed for them. They have long been needed. I simply asked to see the plans. I asked this because of what is already planned for your neighbor, Santa Rita. <br /><br />Sadly, there is a pattern to the neo takeover of a parish. And they are very good at it. Agat is in the first stages. The Neocatechumenal Way teaches something very different about the Eucharist and eventually they modify their worship spaces to conform to it. They know they can't do this all at once. It wouldn't be supported by the people. They do it gradually, which is why I asked to see the plans.<br /><br />In Santa Rita, Fr. Fabio tried to do things too fast (that is his temperament) and many parishioners have left, as did many from Barrigada. They are going slower in Agat. <br /><br />I am really not all that concerned with what they do with the worship spaces. I am concerned, as evidenced constantly on this blog, with a theology of the Eucharist that is not Catholic. Sadly they are finding an easy time of it since most Catholics don't even know what the true theology of the Eucharist is. And that is NOT the fault of the neo-priests. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-52873034276568779592014-03-27T06:20:18.966+10:002014-03-27T06:20:18.966+10:00I believe you misunderstood. The "horrible&qu...I believe you misunderstood. The "horrible" was not a description of the Santa Ana chapel, but of Kiko's furnishings and the arrangement of a traditional chapel into an otherwise protestant meeting space, where the focus is on each other. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-46836975080870430232014-03-26T21:14:06.317+10:002014-03-26T21:14:06.317+10:00Rohr - away with you - Leave Agat alone please.Rohr - away with you - Leave Agat alone please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-17614836161404482012014-03-26T21:07:14.090+10:002014-03-26T21:07:14.090+10:00Anon 3/25 11:21pm.... how dare you call God's...Anon 3/25 11:21pm.... how dare you call God's house 'horrible..." you insulted the people who built the Santa Ana Chapel... and MY elders who said rosaries, novenas and opened the Chapel for all. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-63513681110920220512014-03-26T01:30:40.642+10:002014-03-26T01:30:40.642+10:00Typical jackass comment showing an inability to re...Typical jackass comment showing an inability to read. And a coward to boot. Used to it.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-79630596559977845622014-03-26T01:22:17.361+10:002014-03-26T01:22:17.361+10:00And with Rome's silence, it goes to show that ...And with Rome's silence, it goes to show that the NCW isn't wrong at all. Tim uses silence to defend himself when the Archbishop "went to Rome". So I think it goes both ways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-66784706023421207042014-03-25T23:48:53.945+10:002014-03-25T23:48:53.945+10:00And I will add, if you are going to address me by ...And I will add, if you are going to address me by name, have the decency and integrity to use yours. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-35226265126528002112014-03-25T23:46:59.849+10:002014-03-25T23:46:59.849+10:00Yes, we live in Agat, and many years ago we chose ...Yes, we live in Agat, and many years ago we chose to no longer attend Mass there. We found the Mass, the music, the way people dressed, the running about of children, to be disrespectful and irreverent. I wanted my children to attend a Mass where they could learn the meaning of "sacred", where Eucharistic Ministers were not employed in violation of church norms, where people didn't greet each other and chat on the way back from communion while chomping on the host, where there was reverence for Christ in the tabernacle and people didn't walk past it without so much as a bow, where there was a respectful quiet in the church after Mass for those, like my family, that stayed to pray a silent thanksgiving. Sadly most churches are like that. I found the reverence I was looking for at the friary. My children have learned the meaning of sacred, solemnity, respect, silence, adoration. My duty is to them and to their souls before there is any duty to a parish. <br /><br />But now that you asked, Pope Benedict's Moto Proprio Summorum Pontificum has guaranteed the right of any Catholic to attend Mass in the Extraordinary Form. No parish on this island offers it. It is only offered at the Friary. My children's spiritual life has flourished by their exposure to form of the liturgy, a form that Benedict has said was "never abrogated" and must be "restored" to it's proper place. Only one place and one priest has seen to that restoration as Benedict required. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-22203810191704777452014-03-25T23:30:34.404+10:002014-03-25T23:30:34.404+10:00The archdiocesan finance council, the one he fired...The archdiocesan finance council, the one he fired, stopped him from doing so. And he was further hindered by the audit ordered by the nuncio and probably the publicity we brought to it on this blog. However, he could have "assigned" the property to the neos. An assignment would not show up on a public record. But could be used to contest ownership should Apuron's successor not prove friendly to the neo. This is why the archbishop's legal counsel opined that "conveyance and assignment are terms of distinction without a difference", and warned of costly legal battles should the archbishop assign the property to the neos.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-74287345321100816572014-03-25T23:26:56.058+10:002014-03-25T23:26:56.058+10:00Tim, don't you and your family live in Agat?.....Tim, don't you and your family live in Agat?... I don't see you or any of your family attending or participating in parish Mass or activities. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-15543537436046299072014-03-25T22:59:13.210+10:002014-03-25T22:59:13.210+10:00I don't think their intention is to split off....I don't think their intention is to split off. They want to transform what is the Catholic Church into the Neo Way and with Rome's silence, it seems they may just do that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-91253317724411684382014-03-25T22:51:52.849+10:002014-03-25T22:51:52.849+10:00Tim, has he actually given the seminary away?
Th...Tim, has he actually given the seminary away? <br /><br />Thanks, <br />R. CamachoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-49715118684774614342014-03-25T22:40:52.213+10:002014-03-25T22:40:52.213+10:00I hope the NCW hurry up and leave and join the oth...I hope the NCW hurry up and leave and join the other Protestants so we can have our authentic Catholic Church back. NCW-good riddance! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-53716654113475041892014-03-25T22:35:15.230+10:002014-03-25T22:35:15.230+10:00Tim is correct when he says the Neos plan is to en...Tim is correct when he says the Neos plan is to enter and lay low in the beginning. When Fr. Ivan was leaving for his new assignment in the states he said he would wait a year before speaking to his parishioners about the NCW.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-88779876580168218212014-03-25T22:34:34.594+10:002014-03-25T22:34:34.594+10:00Interesting that you use words like "they&quo...Interesting that you use words like "they" and "them" and "their". You even say that Neos get along with non-Neos, like these are two separate tribes. Where does that language come from? Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.com