tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post339560384727905772..comments2024-03-27T11:42:13.364+10:00Comments on JungleWatch: CLARIFYING ISSUES ABOUT THE CANONICAL TRIALFrenchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05189311368021711422noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-38481223597620847312017-03-05T19:13:49.438+10:002017-03-05T19:13:49.438+10:00330am For your Information my residence is not Gua...330am For your Information my residence is not Guam. Lol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-56803207620537454282017-03-05T07:14:57.563+10:002017-03-05T07:14:57.563+10:00And how would you know that? And how would you know that? Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-52235504124128200562017-03-05T03:30:54.058+10:002017-03-05T03:30:54.058+10:00That's where much of your problem lies, 8:10 P...That's where much of your problem lies, 8:10 PM. You have no idea what's actually happening outside of Guam. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-82516012860068400412017-03-04T22:32:18.593+10:002017-03-04T22:32:18.593+10:00Couldn't Cardinal Burke have the courtesy to f...Couldn't Cardinal Burke have the courtesy to fully inform the witnesses in great detail of the entire procedure of the proceedings, and failing that couldn't the local safeguarding office do so - well in advance of the proposed interview date? That way, the witnesses could be assured of the relative straightforwardness of the procedure / proceedings.<br /><br />It's not like you can casually look up in the CCC, or the last page in your Mass book, how these sessions are supposed to work.<br /><br />It's probable that the usual Vatican element is out to sabotage Cardinal Burke's efforts just like the efforts of everyone of relative good faith.Austin OE (UK)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-39718549024975040412017-03-04T20:10:12.291+10:002017-03-04T20:10:12.291+10:003:27AM. As one who has spent 24 years observing se...3:27AM. As one who has spent 24 years observing sexual abuse in the Catholic Church in particular reference to Guam there is no truth in your statement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-66619176189238619982017-03-04T15:39:25.028+10:002017-03-04T15:39:25.028+10:00I do not know where and how you got to these "...I do not know where and how you got to these "statistics" but many studies conclude differently.Frenchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17054818577594976308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-66584615840883172382017-03-04T08:48:50.814+10:002017-03-04T08:48:50.814+10:00At Rose relative to the Balvo Letters. The letters...At Rose relative to the Balvo Letters. The letters, which can be found in the FILE BOX, are dated 2011 and 2012. The 2011 letter says (Balvo to Apuron): "I have never received a financial report from you." And the 2012 letter repeats the same request and also chastises Apuron for his handling of RMS. It is very possible that Balvo, opened the file on Apuron in 2008 - being motivated by the public protest already mentioned - and aware that Apuron had ignored his reporting duties. <br /><br />About a year ago, Cristobal attempted to blame the missing reports on Deacon Martinez, who was the finance officer in 2011. However, it was only Martinez' job to assemble the report. It was up to Apuron to be sure that it was sent. There was probably good reason why Apuron did not send any reports. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-50736137844159116542017-03-04T08:40:04.120+10:002017-03-04T08:40:04.120+10:00Actually financial mismanagement, in the eyes of R...Actually financial mismanagement, in the eyes of Rome, apparently, is more egregious than sex abuse. You will recall that recently as certain "bishop of bling," was summarily and very publicly fired and chastised by Francis for "financial mismanagement, whereas, about the same time, Francis "refrocked" a cleric who had previously been "defrocked" for sexually abusing children. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-6254181164599924882017-03-04T05:04:52.766+10:002017-03-04T05:04:52.766+10:00Tim a sound comment there at 1.02.Fundamental ques...Tim a sound comment there at 1.02.Fundamental question then is _ what are the criteria for a 'file" to be opened by the Vatican? I can't fathom financial mismanagement. We can safely so anyway that whatever the criteria and therefore the reason in Apuron's case-it must be serious.And it is somewhat unlikely that prior sexual abuse has previously been reported.Things of course will come to light in due course but it pays to be ahead of those times which is something that Tim has mastered. Not that many others are also fighting the cause but if not for the medium of JW we would not be informed and consequently challenged to protect the faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-48000486776013680112017-03-04T04:47:36.841+10:002017-03-04T04:47:36.841+10:00Thank you, Tim. I was thinking of those Balvo let...Thank you, Tim. I was thinking of those Balvo letters yesterday. I remember reading them last summer but didn't have time to do a quick check with the JungleWatch "File Box." I wanted to see the dates of those letters. I was thinking of them as a possible reason for the 2008 opening of an investigation. Not submitting a financial report, even after several "reminder letters" from a higher-up, is another demonstration of how terribly Abp. Apuron managed the Archdiocese of Agana. If financial records were maintained properly and are maintained currently, it wouldn't be difficult to produce an annual report. My archdiocese and my parish produce their annual reports every June for the prior fiscal year. This is why when I read the Balvo letters asking for financial reports, I thought "what is so difficult for Abp. Apuron to produce them?" ... now, after having a greater understanding of the situation, I can come up with several reasons!Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-60705831447282859672017-03-04T03:27:28.866+10:002017-03-04T03:27:28.866+10:00Statistically, the vast majority of pedophile prie...Statistically, the vast majority of pedophile priests' victims understandably leave the Catholic Church or become atheists. Nothing will change that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-73745825416517276572017-03-03T13:02:44.143+10:002017-03-03T13:02:44.143+10:00From what I have gathered, complaints about Apuron...From what I have gathered, complaints about Apuron had been going to Rome for years. The fact that the Vatican opened a case file on Apuron may have been motivated by his ill treatment of the 3 Filipino priests and the subsequent public protest. The protest occurred in front of the Cathedral and in the presence of Archbishop Charles Balvo, who was the Apostolic Delegate at the time. If you do a search for the word "Balvo" on this blog, several posts will turn up that will lead you to two letters from Balvo to Apuron regarding Apuron's negligence in financial reporting matters. Since I've heard that the 2008 file was about financial mismanagement, it is very likely that it was Balvo who opened the case on Apuron. To my knowledge, no sex abuse had yet been reported. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-82399700517157987172017-03-03T10:49:59.362+10:002017-03-03T10:49:59.362+10:00Tim, something happened in 2008 or slightly before...Tim, something happened in 2008 or slightly before 2008 that alerted the Vatican to open this file. What would that be? In JungleWatch's File Box. I only see one 2008 event and that is Abp. Apuron's letter to the Filipino priests basically demanding they become NCW priests or their contract to serve in the Archdiocese of Agana will not be renewed. Every now and then I wonder what in or around 2008 caused the Vatican to open this file? If you figure it out, inquiring minds like mine want to know.Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-41868764144500954352017-03-03T08:43:03.712+10:002017-03-03T08:43:03.712+10:00The file opened 8 years ago did not include allega...The file opened 8 years ago did not include allegations of sex abuse. And the reason for the rush rush now is probably JungleWatch since we have made it a huge point of international attention.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-45458835881351497492017-03-03T08:16:45.404+10:002017-03-03T08:16:45.404+10:00as was written - why the RUSH RUSH now? file open ...as was written - why the RUSH RUSH now? file open 8 years..consider now all the reasons why the victims find themselves in the position of having been forced to file lawsuits. True objectiveness in the search for TRUTH would consider waiting until after the lawsuits exit the law courts- I am sure the victims would be prepared to testify to the canonical trial then.Instead ... did Burke really say he would like to have it wrapped up by summer?.<br /> The first step to caring, as with everything else in life ,is to be informed. Just stick with it everyone.Beware the deceptors.<br />And Congratulations Bob (2/27/2017). I have been waiting for that one and more as suggested.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-81654002325070197672017-03-03T06:00:39.958+10:002017-03-03T06:00:39.958+10:00One of the points highlighted by Fr. Blockley’s co...One of the points highlighted by Fr. Blockley’s comment above is the rocky start with a terrible introduction between the canonical trial/investigation team that came to Guam and Plaintiffs/Mr. Lujan. My impression as it was happening and even until now, is that the canonical trial team should have extended better professional courtesy to the witnesses with whom they wished to interview-investigate. The way things turned out was that summonses/notices of depositions/interviews were snail mailed from Boston to Guam. A phone call or an email to Mr. Lujan (and other directly to witnesses not represented by counsel such as Deacon Martinez) that gives a heads-up that summonses are on their way for a tribunal investigation would have gone a long way for professional courtesy. Because that courtesy was missing, the investigation had a terrible start and the players experienced the worst of introductions. If the tribunal team was going to fly all those many miles to Guam and back, I would think they would have effected a setting where their investigation would be productive. But then, perhaps the element of surprise is part of the tribunal’s modus operandi? I don’t know but that thought certainly crossed my mind.<br /><br />Fr. Blockley is convinced, as I am, too, if the onset of the investigation didn't have a rocky nature, then Plaintiffs would have been amenable to an interview with Cardinal Burke and the tribunal team.Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-72696217487142104012017-03-03T05:37:02.314+10:002017-03-03T05:37:02.314+10:00To Anon 1:10, the tribunal may already has video f...To Anon 1:10, the tribunal may already has video footage of the plaintiffs’ testimonies before the 33rd Guam Legislature supporting the passage of Bill No. 326-33 (available here in Junglewatch). It may have news articles (print) and TV news footage of the press conferences given by plaintiffs when they went public with their experiences to expose Abp. Apuron (pre-passage of Bill 326-33 and pre-litigation) last summer. These materials are available in JungleWatch , Guam local news outlets (TV and print), and other areas in the public domain. It is assumed the the tribunal also has a written account from Walter because, as I recall, Walter said he provided to the Vatican in August 2015 a written account (or a letter) of his sexual abuse experience at the hands of Abp. Apuron. The tribunal may also already have copies of the civil complaints filed by the four plaintiffs since those are public documents.<br /><br />My point here, as well as Tim’s and Frenchie’s point, is that even with the static statements listed above, the most compelling evidence relating to the child sexual abuse allegations again Abp. Apuron would be the live testimony of one or more of the plaintiffs. In a live testimony, Cardinal Burke may have follow-up questions for which information is lacking in the written statements, the video statements, the news articles, and/or the news video footage. In addition, a person’s sincerity (or deceit) is captured in a personal appearance. There is nothing more compelling that engaging the human person's senses. We know Roland, Walter, Roy and Doris are the best witnesses for themselves. Their sincerity, their pain, and the good people that they are come through when they are met in person. For these reasons (and more), their personal appearance(s) will make compelling evidence before the tribunal. Why not give the tribunal the best evidence it could have? I have no doubt about their testimony because they speak the truth. The opportunity before them now is to tell that truth to an entity that could put into effect the remedies they (and the rest of Guam’s Faithful) seek from this ecclesiastic court.Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-23280782454534668742017-03-03T04:04:21.455+10:002017-03-03T04:04:21.455+10:00As I have pointed previously, while the testimony ...As I have pointed previously, while the testimony of the Survivors shall be essential in this portion of the trial, it appears that there are several parts in the accusations against Apuron. Tim and CNMI Lawyer have also noted as much.<br /><br />Many of the things Apuron is accused of have been piling on for years.<br />One of the charges that came up prior to the sexual abuse accusations, was the hiding of abusers.<br />If you noted, right before Apuron was "suspended" last year and replaced de facto by Arch. Hon, the hiding of Fr Luis in Qatar, had become quite an embarrassment in Rome, specially in view of the flippant answer of Bishop Balin to Mr White's inquiries.<br />The subsequent tempest in a teapot that erupted from that incident, came on top of a growing mountain of evidences that Apuron had knowingly hidden predator priests. (which the Vatican had declared a big No No)<br />So they are many accusations to be dealt with.<br />The subsequent coming out of the survivors became the proverbial nail in the coffin.<br /><br />What we have now, because of the lack of testimony, is that it is no longer an open and shut case.<br />Apuron can still be removed for his mismanagement and his coverup of sexual abusers, but what he is facing now, is a lot less serious in its consequences.<br /><br />The NCW and Cdl Sean understand this very well, this is why they have put a lot of time and effort in putting as big of a lid atop this boiling pot.<br />The risk for the NCW, Filoni, Chaput, O'Malley and the other abetters of Kiko, is that they suddenly would be face with a growing scandal of their systemic and systematic coverup of sexual abusers within the group. <br /><br />Balin was severely reprimanded for last year incident, the rumor being that his career is now at a dead end, but he is getting off easy.<br />Apuron's panoply of scandals had the potential of becoming a tidal wave that could have swept the whole bunch of them. Now they are all <br />breathing a sigh of relief. <br />They will continue, unless the survivors change their mind...<br />Like they say in Football, we are only in the third quarter, and the game is still open.<br />If some of you have strong concerns regarding the way the inquisition part of this trial has started, feel free to contact our Nuncio, and share with him in writing these concerns.<br />This is the official channel to Rome, and it has been one of our most efficient ally. They work silently and I would say thanklessly, but efficientlyFrenchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17054818577594976308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-28957259573118631902017-03-02T19:15:15.892+10:002017-03-02T19:15:15.892+10:00See latest post. See latest post. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-86766696314562717302017-03-02T18:39:41.565+10:002017-03-02T18:39:41.565+10:00Will the documents including the misleading citati...Will the documents including the misleading citation be available on JW? http://www.kuam.com/story/34644621/2017/03/02/land-management-director-fined-for-not-providing-requested-documentsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-36297575833424623272017-03-02T18:11:45.898+10:002017-03-02T18:11:45.898+10:00LOL. You know who you are. It's coming. BIG GR...LOL. You know who you are. It's coming. BIG GRIN.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-81609051637941263272017-03-02T16:08:32.854+10:002017-03-02T16:08:32.854+10:00Cardinal Burke, the victims neither Attorney David...Cardinal Burke, the victims neither Attorney David Lujan expected the turn out the way it went and having Cardinal Burke leave island with a mission unaccomplished.<br /><br />Reading Fr.Matthew Blockley comment "Thinking through all this I think it would be a moment of grace and inspiration". There are some things that no matter how hard a person works, time spend , and how we want the plan to work according to how we want it to happen the plan runs into a wall that's not foreseen. If possible, maybe it's time for Attorney Lujan to regroup with all the victims.<br /><br />While Cardinal Burke is in charge to speak to the victims, don't send him away ! Next time around he might be replaced by someone not to be trusted. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-77950195775342022912017-03-02T15:35:03.188+10:002017-03-02T15:35:03.188+10:00While it's a nice thought, any testimony given...While it's a nice thought, any testimony given in a such a context would probably not be admissible and in fact could taint any testimony. The canonical rules are the canonical rules. The questioning of the plaintiffs must be in the presence of the defendant's lawyers and the promoter of justice, and the notary. A canon lawyer may also be present on behalf of the plaintiffs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-84078712512106419182017-03-02T15:07:34.046+10:002017-03-02T15:07:34.046+10:00Thank you Frenchie, Rose and Tim. Thank you also t...Thank you Frenchie, Rose and Tim. Thank you also to David Lujan. Respect all of you in your voice for truth and Justic<br /><br /><br />There is always the desire for me to come to this blog to blast out those who have personally caused me tremendous hurt.After all Tommy is giving me alot of opportunties these days. sic! What? Now he wants an extension period! However, as I was so impressed with President Trump in his address to Congress yesterday I'm going to follow his example and not blast out the "Lyin Fakes" I'm going to make a comment from the heart. But I am Fr.Matthew and Fr.Matthew enjoys being a little controversial. <br /><br />Roy, Walter, Roland, and Dorris.your all my heros. I have the greatest respect for you Guys and the inspiration you have given. I also have great respect for the integrity honesty of Cardinal Raymond Burke a man I have long respected as a dignified humble servant who respects law and the human person.On both sides of the playing field there are men and women I would give time to based on their good Character. Cardinal Burke is one of those good men who you can trust. <br /><br />Thinking through all this I think it would be a moment of grace and inspiration to many if Roy, Walter, Roland and Tita Dorris met privately in a group with Cardinal Burke over coffee.After a coffee gathering it would be easy for each of them to meet alone only with the cardinal.David Lujan would be welcomed also. <br />The way the last meeting was set up did not open itself to mutual trust building. Even the highly respected much admired Fr.Tom Doyle referenced same thinking. The way the meeting was conducted was at best Victorian.<br />I'm praying Roy, Walter, Roland and Tita Dorris will open their hearts to a private meeting with Cardinal Burke. I believe its possible to meet him on a common ground and build mutual trust, dialogue and above all Respect for all Parties concerned in the path to Truth and Justice.<br /><br /><br />Fr.Matthew Blockley.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-24419181735358116322017-03-02T14:56:37.928+10:002017-03-02T14:56:37.928+10:00To give a twist to your statement anon at 1.26, yo...To give a twist to your statement anon at 1.26, you must consider the close proximity of O'Malley to Genarrini and Kiko and their underground railroad for abusers, to come very close to a perfect storm of a coverup. Frenchienoreply@blogger.com