tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post3483312538585442236..comments2024-03-27T11:42:13.364+10:00Comments on JungleWatch: THE LEARNING CURVEFrenchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05189311368021711422noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-35634303573477591292016-11-05T08:37:15.501+10:002016-11-05T08:37:15.501+10:00On March 8, 1984, . . . the diocese was elevated t...On March 8, 1984, . . . the diocese was elevated to a metropolitan see, the Archdiocese and Metropolitan Province of Agaña. The metropolitan province consists of the Archdiocese of Agaña and its suffragan Roman Catholic Dioceses of Chalan Kanoa and of the Caroline Islands, and the Roman Catholic Apostolic Prefecture of the Marshall Islands.<br /><br /><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Aga%C3%B1a" rel="nofollow">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Agaña</a><br /><br />So the transfer to CEPAC was part of the process of our elevation to an archdiocese and the establishment of a metropolitan province. CNMI Lawyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-10513986621750787212016-11-04T23:35:18.777+10:002016-11-04T23:35:18.777+10:00Speaking of Fr. Jeff, where is he? Lately he hasn...Speaking of Fr. Jeff, where is he? Lately he hasn't been seen at the cathedral (where he has been celebrating many Sunday masses)or as spokesman for AB Hon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-82565500725196582102016-11-04T23:30:33.298+10:002016-11-04T23:30:33.298+10:00It is now down to the wire on the Yona property an...It is now down to the wire on the Yona property and the suspense is nerve wracking. Trust the new finance council are fully aware of what they are up against and the options available to try and avert such a tragedy from occurring. BUT should AB Byrnes take immediate action to turn the "clock" back, it will provide the<br />time necessary to work towards the return of the seminary and keep the Neos from realizing their grandiose plans for a complete takeover and further expansion. <br />Please God, help us all in our hour of need and help us to remain vigilant and to accept your will.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-5130773011331081792016-11-04T20:00:53.371+10:002016-11-04T20:00:53.371+10:00Neither Flores or Apuron had any choice in the mat...Neither Flores or Apuron had any choice in the matter.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-62792254521438605852016-11-04T18:09:03.347+10:002016-11-04T18:09:03.347+10:00Thanks for the clarification, Tim. If Archbishop ...Thanks for the clarification, Tim. If Archbishop Flores had opposed the CEPAC connection from the beginning, my next question would be why didn't AAA follow suit in opposing it? Any personal motive? I'm trying to connect the time frames between our inculturation into CEPAC and the invasion of Guam by the NCW and the establishment of the Guam RMS in Dec 1999. Do you happen to know the dates?<br /><br />Thanks for standing up to the truth (as you usually do), and I admire your tenacity and bravery in putting your name "under penalty of perjury" to what you write. Anyone who does that is either so damn sure of his position, or so damn stupid for taking the risk of possibly being wrong. I think you know which side of the line in the sand I stand. - jrsa.J.R.San Agustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17874835056590971951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-54872460490944055212016-11-04T11:04:29.895+10:002016-11-04T11:04:29.895+10:00In common In common Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-43819142231821429112016-11-04T11:03:58.264+10:002016-11-04T11:03:58.264+10:00Guam's transition to CEPAC had nothing to do w...Guam's transition to CEPAC had nothing to do w the NCW or Apuron. Flores opposed it. The assignment of Guam to CEPAC is evidence of Rome's stupidity after Vatican 2 which put inculturation over brains. Rome made the determination only on Guam's geographical location and ignored the 400 years of European-American history. Guam has nothing culturally uncommon with the rest of CEPAC.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-21057132400213339572016-11-04T10:33:14.240+10:002016-11-04T10:33:14.240+10:00Good question, indeed! Someone (more knowledgeabl...Good question, indeed! Someone (more knowledgeable of the details than I) should expose AAA's role on how the Archdiocese of Agana went from the jurisdiction of the US Conference of Bishops (USCCB), of which Guam was a suffragan, to the Conference of Bishops of the Pacific (CEPAC). I think it had something to do with the NCW bait for AAA to set up a RMS in Guam as that would ("for sure, for sure") get the recognition of Rome and the probability of a red hat (which eventually went instead to a bishop from Tonga - if I remember correctly). The NCW didn't deliver the goods, but got AAA to set NCW cemented in Guam, and got it a $70M+ asset instead! What a mess AAA had done for Guam! Hope Archbishop Coadjutor Byrnes will look into this, and right the wrong done! (jrsa: 11/4/16)J.R.San Agustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17874835056590971951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-56785050025761136972016-11-04T06:02:25.193+10:002016-11-04T06:02:25.193+10:00Right, Rey d, this is why the "both sides&quo...Right, Rey d, this is why the "both sides" approach is so wrongheaded. There aren't "two sides" unless you want count right and wrong as sides, <br />Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-47610562409207961202016-11-03T23:11:00.445+10:002016-11-03T23:11:00.445+10:00i assume hon is the main contact with archbishop b...i assume hon is the main contact with archbishop byrnes as far as getting him up to speed on the specific issues. that in itself is already a bad thing, since that's the only perspective ("side") he'll be hearing for the next couple of months. if hon's not doing jack about the yoña property, i can only assume he's not advising archbishop byrnes about the approaching time limit either.<br /><br />hopefully byrnes also takes time to review hon's actions and inactions since hon arrived. if he turns his back on victims as hon did, or dismisses the picketers as hon did, or gives even the appearance that he believes all is well with the ncw on guam, then he will have a miserable time earning the trust of Catholics.<br />rey dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873954768569450928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-42371413242064798102016-11-03T19:31:55.237+10:002016-11-03T19:31:55.237+10:00"Another issue Byrnes will like have to addre..."Another issue Byrnes will like have to address is the controversial ownership and leadership within the Neocatechumenal Way and the property in the middle of that controversy: the Redemptoris Mater Seminary." <br />At this point, Byrnes says it's too early to form an opinion or to "take sides."<br /><br />"...the Neocatechumenal Way. The reputation is good,..."<br /><br />There aren't several issues; there's one. To say that there are "two sides" is to ascribe semantic legitimacy to that which is in substance illegitimate. <br /><br />"Catholics (no initial adjective required) don't take liberties with the liturgy, do want priests not presbyters in their parishes, abhor the gratis alienation of the patrimony of the church, will strive to recover the property that was given away, have no tolerance for a bishop who was mean to his priests, abhor child molesters and will go to some lengths to help victims of child molesters seek justice." The "other side" negates these concepts and doesn't recognize the hierarchy of the Church. There really aren't two sides for AB Byrnes to consider. Action is required.<br /><br />Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-19515676195152953632016-11-03T16:19:46.559+10:002016-11-03T16:19:46.559+10:00Doesn't one of the "sides" center on...Doesn't one of the "sides" center on Apuron?Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-14703192150916980572016-11-03T13:17:37.840+10:002016-11-03T13:17:37.840+10:00I support Abp Byrnes’ course of action to getting ...I support Abp Byrnes’ course of action to getting the lay-of-land of the Archdiocese of Agana in listening and talking and assessing. That course of action will take time, but the conclusion will be close to accurate in the long run. The Yona property issue, because of the statute of limitations, is another matter. In this situation, it calls for Abp Byrnes to be in a crash course mode in assessing that situation. He and his administration will live with the long term consequences of the Yona property, whether those consequences are good or bad. From time to time Tim and others have pointed out that, for the most part, it is the laity that gets the Church issues moving. If Abp Hon has not or does not plan to present this matter to Abp Byrnes in the next day or two, can the laity present it? The best entity among the laity are those who met with Abp Hon and presented him with the chronology and facts of the ownership of the Yona property. They can make the first person representation, which is more compelling (ie “We met with Abp Hon on ____ to present him with the matter relating to the ownership of the real property on which the Redemptoris Mater Seminary is situated. Because of a time sensitive statutes of limitations matter, we wish to bring this matter to your attention in order to provide you with the opportunity to take a course of action that you may deem is best for the archdiocese blah, blah, blah …) The suit can be timely filed for the simple reason of not letting the statute run out. If while the suit is active, other solutions are found by Abp Byrnes to settle this matter, the case can be non-suited. In the doing it this way, the deadline is not blown. If, after presenting him with the materials and Abp Brynes decides not to file the lawsuit, the laity can’t blame itself for inaction. The laity can’t be regretful with a woulda-shoulda-coulda since it would have done did what it could --- even up to the last minute. If “whomever” wishes to send the materials presented to Abp Hon to Abp Byrnes, I make the offer for the materials to be emailed to me and I will assemble them in a nice book and overnight them to Abp Byrnes. Please write a cover letter or I can help draft if you want. Detroit is not in outer space. We can send stuff there overnight. It’s worth a try.Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-59478413403433093222016-11-03T13:16:04.722+10:002016-11-03T13:16:04.722+10:00Good point anon 11:26 AM. That means Apuron is cle...Good point anon 11:26 AM. That means Apuron is clearly acting outside his bounds of authority. He has been suspended and thus is acting ilegally when he uses the letterhead. Apuron is totally out of control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-34842885996167164642016-11-03T12:17:37.186+10:002016-11-03T12:17:37.186+10:00And move back to US bishops conference...US rules ...And move back to US bishops conference...US rules per sex abuse would have been more helpful...(although they came LATE to their response)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-50605491037645998932016-11-03T11:33:40.752+10:002016-11-03T11:33:40.752+10:00Here is an excerpt from Abp Hon's statement &q...Here is an excerpt from Abp Hon's statement "...In our case, Archbishop Apuron was relieved of the pastoral governance on June 6, 2016. Thus, Archbishop Byrnes all the more is asked to take charge immediately. As a matter of fact, in this appointment, the Holy Father has expressly granted His Excellency Monsignor Byrnes all the Faculties, Rights, and Obligations of the Archbishop of Agaña, civilly and ecclesiastically, without any exception." Pay attention to the word "immediately." I take that to mean "now." Abp Byrnes doesn't need to be present on Guam to be apprised of this time-sensitive issue. At present, can Abp Hon apprise him of the information provided by the CCOG re Yona property and ask Abp Byrnes to make a decision about litigation rather than have the statutes lapse?Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-1108699347220293702016-11-03T11:26:56.692+10:002016-11-03T11:26:56.692+10:00According to PNC story, AAA had the letter on an o...According to PNC story, AAA had the letter on an official letterhead of the Archdiocese? Isn't he stripped of his powers and anything official from the Archdiocese has to come from AB Hon or Father Jeff????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-66717974765276064532016-11-03T11:13:09.477+10:002016-11-03T11:13:09.477+10:00AB Byrnes cannot not decide. No action before the ...AB Byrnes cannot not decide. No action before the clock runs defaults to the other "side." No time "...to see for himself the lay-of-the-land before..."Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-88395546126212774682016-11-03T11:09:03.394+10:002016-11-03T11:09:03.394+10:00I didn't see the document, did he signed it. ...I didn't see the document, did he signed it. Rumor has it Apuron is ill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-46103575412502996682016-11-03T08:41:35.896+10:002016-11-03T08:41:35.896+10:00Good question.Good question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-65689209251192992142016-11-03T08:39:37.521+10:002016-11-03T08:39:37.521+10:00Here is a link that you can cut-and-paste on your ...Here is a link that you can cut-and-paste on your browser from the "Michigan Catholic" (the counterpart of the "Umatuna Si Yu'os" in the Archdiocese of Detroit). It has additional background on Abp Brynes' appointment to Guam. http://www.themichigancatholic.org/2016/10/breaking-pope-francis-appoints-bishop-byrnes-as-coadjutor-archbishop-of-guam-archdiocese/Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-18991001185741709052016-11-03T07:16:56.826+10:002016-11-03T07:16:56.826+10:00The question for me is which of the bishops makes ...The question for me is which of the bishops makes the decision on the Yona statutes of limitations? Currently, Abp Hon is in office. When does Abp Byrnes' appointment take effect? Immediately upon its announcement last Oct. 31st? If Abp Byrnes' appointment is effective immediately, as coadjutor archbishop of Agaña he is currently "coadjutor" with Abp Hon. Do the two of them discuss the Yona matter and come to a decision? or is it Abp Hon's decision alone to make since he is the current bishop in office on Guam.Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-21237221478860341742016-11-03T06:37:52.553+10:002016-11-03T06:37:52.553+10:00At this moment he has 18 days to determine which &...At this moment he has 18 days to determine which "side" will own the Yoña property forever.Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-79238729615428172772016-11-03T06:16:05.421+10:002016-11-03T06:16:05.421+10:00How much authority and independence will Abp Byrne...How much authority and independence will Abp Byrnes have if this archdiocese is still in the congregation headed by Filoni? Are we able to change congregations?Andrew Camachonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-30805888201675652452016-11-03T05:16:53.285+10:002016-11-03T05:16:53.285+10:00Yes, what has hon been doing these last few months...Yes, what has hon been doing these last few months? It seems from Archbishop Byrnes remarks that the RMS problem will be his to handle. So, I guess hon will not do anything about it before the statute of limitations expire. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com