tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post4251051499883401559..comments2024-03-27T11:42:13.364+10:00Comments on JungleWatch: DIANA SAYS NOFrenchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05189311368021711422noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-78986585541894054032014-03-13T15:22:12.495+10:002014-03-13T15:22:12.495+10:00For someone who walked for many years in the way I...For someone who walked for many years in the way I can tell you that none of my cathechists ever spoke about the problems about recieving communion the way we did. I hope that members now who read will now see that they are going against the church and the Pope which is what is often told we don't do. Please brothers I implore you to think critically! Ric Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-37135261775074481872014-03-13T14:04:25.164+10:002014-03-13T14:04:25.164+10:00I know who Diana is and I will reveal it at the en...I know who Diana is and I will reveal it at the end of my post.<br />Interesting how Diana says she does not need to evangelize Tim because he is already Catholic. So why does the Neo target new members and pull them away from the Catholic Churches? Why don't they ask Pastor billiy Bob to speak at their services? Why don't they stand outside Bayview Baptist on Sunday morning trying to evangelize non-Catholics. Is the real answer that they don't consider people in Catholic Churches to be real Catholics? That is the only conclusion you can draw from her statement and her actions combined. I guess we must prove ourselves Catholic as Tim has done to get them to leave us alone in our parishes.<br /><br />Diana infers that Tim doesn't know what he is talking about because he has never been in the Way. Well, Diana, Tim has taken the time to learn about your organization by talking to members, current and pat, and by talking to its priests. I don't have to be a graduate of MIT to know about it, and appreciate it is a fine and difficult school. I may not understand every nuance of an MIT education, but if I ask the right questions, I would expect to get answers that bring me closer to an understanding. But you know as well as I do, because we have both walked, that secrecy is an important element of the NCW. That is why so many people say it is a cult, because you refuse to be forthcoming with information. How many times have people asked serious questions about the Way to better understand it? Many times on this blog. But how many serious answers have they gotten. I cannot think of even one. Your talking to Tim, or anyone, about the NCW will never happen because you know, deep down in your good intentioned heart, that there are no real answers to give that will not make the Neo look bad. All you could possibly say is "Look at the fruits". <br /><br />You are right that our Archbishop is probably the biggest problem in this whole mess. Not only has he completely failed those not in the Way because of his huge focus on everything Neo, but he has also failed the NCW because as the leader of everyone on Guam, he has to be the one to address these problems. By his silence he hurts the NCW as much as he hurts the non-NCW. This discord between the "Haves and Have Nots" can only be addressed by a leader at the top who is a real leader, but so far he seems to prefer the status as a follower. If I were still in the Way, I would be plenty pissed off at the Archbishop because his silence and inept leadership has caused the NCW to look absolutely horrible in the eyes of the average Catholic. If the NCW actually stood up to him as the rest of us have been doing in voicing our opinions maybe things would change. If Diana and all other community members told the Archbishop, "Hey, fix this mess and make things right, we don't like this conflict" then maybe he would take to heart what Christ is expecting him to do. But if all you do is defend his actions and support his ways of leadership, then you will continue to see people also voice frustration at you. You are what modern society calls an enabler.<br />Diana and all other good Neos...tell the Archbishop to stop hiding and to be a real leader!<br /><br />Finally I promised to tell you all who Diana really is. First she says she is called to humility. And she says she has been walking in the Way for 8 years. Look at the picture she posts next to her name. Looks like Jesus. Enough said?Glad to be Back to Holy Mother Churchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-21348741374617480732014-03-13T10:09:49.688+10:002014-03-13T10:09:49.688+10:00Thank you for you photo of "support the pries...Thank you for you photo of "support the priests and the Catholic Church". Yes, I will support my parish priest and my parish church or any parish church that seeks donations for its functions, but I will not support the Archdiocesan Annual Appeal to support the education of NCW seminarians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-64698066117963149632014-03-13T10:01:38.047+10:002014-03-13T10:01:38.047+10:00I agree with those who say local and global issues...I agree with those who say local and global issues should be set apart. A local leadership problem is usually solved in a different manner than a more global issue. The archbishop is local but the neo-catechumenary is global. Being uninformed, let me not comment on local politics.<br /><br />The global issue is the missionary activity of the neo-catechumenary and its local lieutenants. They want to saturate Guam with their particular interpretation of the Bible, making foot soldiers the gullible. Their teaching is secret, folks, this is the whole issue! They do not follow the Catechism of the Catholic Church.<br /><br />Pope Benedict asked the leadership to publish Mr Arguello's ramblings about faith called his Catechetical Directory. However, as I found out, this book has never been published! There are rumors that Benedict's confrontations in this regard took a heavy toll on his health and stature that eventually forced his resignation. <br /><br />My research in the literature revealed that Mr. Arguello's book is kept secret from members and those who were recruited to this organization are kept in the dark and cannot even see the "official teaching" of their leader unless they commit themselves to be missionaries. Then, but only then, they are promoted to be lieutenants and can have access to the secret books. <br /><br />It all resembles a well organized Pentecostal movement with heavy top-down chain of command.<br /><br />oleg_koshevoynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-70844527855762851422014-03-13T09:48:58.841+10:002014-03-13T09:48:58.841+10:00I think that person is referring to being humble. ...I think that person is referring to being humble. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-14741268269431998632014-03-13T09:34:07.242+10:002014-03-13T09:34:07.242+10:00Who is Joelle ?Who is Joelle ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-51342293772964509422014-03-13T08:54:25.054+10:002014-03-13T08:54:25.054+10:00In Diana's comment string, Anonymous at March ...In Diana's comment string, Anonymous at March 12, 2014 at 10:22 AM says:<br />"As I was taught since I was a kid, there is no need to "show face" or be known just because you strongly defend something. What the point of knowing ones identity? I mean does it matter?"<br /><br />Is this really what they teach in the Neocatechumenal Way? The whole basis of the NCW is a return to the "early Church", the church of the catacombs. If ever there was a time in the history of the church, when publicly attaching one's identity to one's beliefs meant something, it was during the first centuries of the church's existence. The word martyr is latin for "witness". To hide is not to witness, it is a contradiction in terms. <br /><br />So we have here, from Diana on down, a witness to the very lack of witness, if you can follow that. It is the very opposite of Catholic. It is an insult to the martyrs who died the most cruel deaths ever devised by man for merely attaching the word "Christian" to their name. In short it is pure cowardice, a complete perversion of the Gospel. God sent us the Word Made Flesh, the gospel is a PERSON, the person of Jesus Christ. This is the very opposite of what we see with "Diana", all-knowing and all-brave behind a pseudonym. Thank you, Diana, for your witness to the Neocatechumenal Way. We no longer have to "come and listen", we came and we saw. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-72223333040795459762014-03-13T08:42:33.985+10:002014-03-13T08:42:33.985+10:00In the above comment thread from Diana's blog,...In the above comment thread from Diana's blog, Anonymous at March 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM says:<br /><br />"Well if anyone want's to Dialogue, the seminary it's down there in Yona. The damage is done, people were hurt in community and outside the NCW. I fully respect Tim but did not expect this from him. He inspired me to defend the CATHOLIC Church from the past. After all, the main goal for all of us being in the womb of the Catholic Church is the Kingdom of Heaven. How to gain this? Is love. Diana keep the articles pumping."<br /><br />To this, I submitted the following reply, but as of 6pm the same day, Diana had not approved it to be posted, so I will post it here:<br /><br /><br />For Anonymous at 9:52, I spent many years dialoging with the seminary: Fr. Jim (one of the first rectors), Fr. Ivan, Fr. Walsh, and many of the first group of seminarians. I attended many events there including liturgy of the hours on several occasions and often ate there. <br /><br />One of the reasons was that I was around quite a bit was because my company, for several years, serviced their dishwashing machine and provided their kitchen with chemical supplies. I also stood with the seminarians at a table on many Wednesday nights at the Chamorro Village handing out Catholic information. We had many long conversations. <br /><br />But ultimately the break came when it became obvious that the NCW was not going to comply with the CDW directive within the two year period of transition that was given. I was told by Fr. Walsh, that Kiko had advised the NCW leaders not to change the practice, and Fr. Walsh then relayed to me "we have no choice." I have the email and you can confirm this with Fr. Walsh yourself. After that I said nothing about the NCW until the Fr. Paul issue exploded, with this very issue (the distribution of holy communion) being at the root of it. <br /><br />I spent many years conversing with the above named people and expressing my concern that a rupture was coming. It didn't seem to matter to them. In fact, they saw it as necessary. The rupture has come. If Diana will not meet with me, then I am willing to meet with anyone. Call me: 483-0467. <br /><br />No one has called. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-59809011287597715182014-03-13T08:28:38.174+10:002014-03-13T08:28:38.174+10:00To DianaMarch 12, 2014 at 3:42 PM
He has been tol...To DianaMarch 12, 2014 at 3:42 PM<br />He has been told, more than once. <br />And how many times has Tim said that it is about the mandates from Rome that are not being followed.<br />You say that kiko is in disagreement with the Pope. I have to disagree. It is disobedience. You use the example of Peter and Paul's exchange about having to follow the Jewish tradition,did you not read in another passage where when Peter made a decision and spoke there was no more discussion on the matter? Are there good people in the NCW? Sure, I don't doubt it. that does not make its theology correct.Many protestant religions could claim the same thing.<br />The NCW is supposed to be about teaching the faith and reintegrating people into parish life, Where is this happening? In not one place where there is a NCW community.<br />You see Diana, the founder of NCW, in saying that the Church was in apostate from the time of Constantine,is calling Jesus the Christ a liar.<br />"You are Peter and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" and again, "I will be with you always, until the end of the age" <br />This "argument" has never been about the persons in the NCW, It has been about the teachings and practices of this movement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-24454564455596829212014-03-12T23:55:33.833+10:002014-03-12T23:55:33.833+10:00Thank you Tim. Reading your comment this evening o...Thank you Tim. Reading your comment this evening of how you defended the archbishop of Guam so many times helps me understand your position. You have always protected and continue to protect what is true. you are great example to us. We pray that things will heal on Guam and peace at some stage restored. Just know we admire you greatly and your cause for truth. When priests are destroyed you remind us of the need for truth. Even the archbishop has no right to destroy priests. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-5667172021661972692014-03-12T23:35:48.309+10:002014-03-12T23:35:48.309+10:00Mr. Rohr is a WATCHMAN in the tradition of the Bib...Mr. Rohr is a WATCHMAN in the tradition of the Bible, who watches, sees, and reports on the injustices being committed, the wrongs being perpetrated, and the evils being allowed, and as it was in the Bible, many times it is our own spiritual leaders who have committed these travesties. Unlike the rest of us who prefer to not get our hands dirty, Mr. Rohr does the dirty work of God. May God continue to bless him and his family. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-79780180839254851152014-03-12T21:55:44.319+10:002014-03-12T21:55:44.319+10:00I receive many comments like the above. I do not a...I receive many comments like the above. I do not allow them through because I am not interested in unsubstantiated accusation against the Archbishop. I am allowing this one through as an example of what I will not allow. If you can substantiate the accusation then please provide it, otherwise, you will not see any future comments like this. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-46669060989511603732014-03-12T21:40:22.371+10:002014-03-12T21:40:22.371+10:00Joelle, please open your Guam files . Joelle, please open your Guam files . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-44247394849601307252014-03-12T21:33:27.295+10:002014-03-12T21:33:27.295+10:00Many who write on this blog have unfortunately had...Many who write on this blog have unfortunately had bad experiences with Anthony Apuron going back many years. Apuron has hurt many people and only the past year is the truth coming out about him. He is not an honest man and has damaged many people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-42116209182552307012014-03-12T19:57:10.784+10:002014-03-12T19:57:10.784+10:00I guess Diana didn't want to post my comment s...I guess Diana didn't want to post my comment so I will do,it here.<br />Diana, I have tried to talk to the Archibishop, but only got blown away. He just doesn't want to,listen to the opinions and or observations of others. His way is the only way! <br /><br />I have not given to the Appeal for the past 10 years. I am too old to listen to his requests for anything anymore. I use to attend his 9:30 Masses, but now I attend as someone so,eloquently called the Church that looks like the Taitano Apts, the Immaculate Heart of Mary.<br /><br />As a matter of fact, I am writing a short story regarding the Way and what affect it had on family members and the division it caused. <br /><br />Yes, what Chuck wrote is true. Family members are the evil idols in our lives as sated by Fathe Francis Walsh in his homily comparing the church sinking into the sand with a husband's worst enemy being his wife. <br /><br />You can write all you want, but I have lived through hell living and being around people in the WAY! One thing is for sure, I do not air out my dirty laundry.<br /><br />You write about The Lord revealing our sins to everyone at the final judgement, well no one will know who I am, not unless you received a revelation from above.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-23875132791238579332014-03-12T18:20:02.670+10:002014-03-12T18:20:02.670+10:00Tim, this old one from Chalan Pago is still with y...Tim, this old one from Chalan Pago is still with you, still praying for you, I do wish I am as eloquent in speaking as others so I could be there beside you talking. May our Lord bless you with the strength and fortitude to continue telling the truth. By the way, the word is out that I (by name) and my family will not be donating to the appeal.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com