tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post8554040049842818486..comments2024-03-27T11:42:13.364+10:00Comments on JungleWatch: FROM THE PINOY CATHOLICFrenchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05189311368021711422noreply@blogger.comBlogger118125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-46814464601811402922014-06-05T13:21:48.967+10:002014-06-05T13:21:48.967+10:00David, I must come in here. Yesterday I was speaki...David, I must come in here. Yesterday I was speaking with a friend who had been in the NCW for about twenty years, give or take the occasional hiatus. Since finally leaving the Way about a year or so ago, my friend's entire (large) Neocat family has shown only rejection - one brother has remarked "you can no longer consider me your brother", the mother has exclaimed "not everyone is called to this way - if you refuse, you refuse God and are on the road to hell. Your children will become murderer's and prostitutes", and she has cut off all communication. Another brother (a catechist) has completely cut all ties and will not engage in any way with my friend.<br /><br />The great irony of this is, of course, that the NCW claim to be leading the "new evangelisation", reaching out the fallen, marginalised etc. Well, evidently that does not include one's family if they choose not to walk. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-35036341427550265312014-06-04T06:15:46.212+10:002014-06-04T06:15:46.212+10:00Nothing to say. It's just how the NCW is marke...Nothing to say. It's just how the NCW is marketed to us pew-sitting Catholics. Glad you're different. Maybe you can fix it from within. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-26047426829790076672014-06-04T03:58:11.540+10:002014-06-04T03:58:11.540+10:00Sorry there is nothing to admit. I do not believe ...Sorry there is nothing to admit. I do not believe those who are not in the NCW are "lukewarm in [your] faith and that [you are] spiritually dry." Why is that so hard to believe? *Sigh* I do not know what to say. David G.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-47168425251260501422014-06-03T23:37:42.433+10:002014-06-03T23:37:42.433+10:00David G., You are wrong. And so, I hope you will...David G., You are wrong. And so, I hope you will admit it. You say that "like the NCW or not, we are still one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church." This is not true. Or, at least, this is not what the NCW evangelizers say when they speak at our regular Masses when they proselytize to us regular Catholics. They say that we (the congregation) are lukewarm in our faith and that we are spiritually dry. They know this because we are regular Catholics, and not members of the NCW. The NCW evangelizers make very clear their view that the regular Catholic Church is inherently deficient. They are absolutely clear on this point. So, according to the NCW evangelizers, there are two churches: the good, legitimate and spirit-filled NCW church and the inherently deficient regular Catholic Church. <br /><br />Awaiting your admission. Thanks. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-60195176321054764242014-06-03T21:16:21.792+10:002014-06-03T21:16:21.792+10:00The CBCP New Evangelization conference is inviting...The CBCP New Evangelization conference is inviting all the various catholic ministries// groups or individuals interested in learning more about the evangelization by the laity and how they can better reach out. <br /><br />According to the philippine daily inquirer, Kiko will be arriving in Manila on the 6th. The kick off for the CNCP New Evangelization Conference kicks off on Sat. The 7th. I do not know if Kiko will be part of it. It was not mentioned anywhere in the the news.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-64491203727063098672014-06-03T21:15:13.757+10:002014-06-03T21:15:13.757+10:00I understand Tim but the word I got was that the s...I understand Tim but the word I got was that the spin was enhanced by the Umatuna article to give the Guam contingent an incentive to go, because guess what? Cardinal Tagle, who was considered in the running to replace Pope Benedict, is personally inviting Kiko and the Guam neocats to come to Manila. It made the Guam group feel wanted and needed to be asked by such an important and famous Cardinal, and of course. it gives enormous credibility and prestige to the NCW and Archbishop Apuron. You can feel the snickering that was emanating from the NCW....see I told you so because we now have Tagle on our side. I guess the NCW didn't figure that the good Cardinal was going to find out or bother to intervene. Who is SNICKERING now?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-17286729434624560582014-06-03T19:19:59.882+10:002014-06-03T19:19:59.882+10:00These are just some of the people you would find i...These are just some of the people you would find in the way. Even just one of these demons in each community can cause great harm to people. What if they use similar tatics on our brothers and sisters in the Non Catholic Way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-76180860443056096812014-06-03T19:13:53.091+10:002014-06-03T19:13:53.091+10:00I do not know you Peter but Thanks. This definite...I do not know you Peter but Thanks. This definitely clears up some confusion about the whole situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-56537322039759368192014-06-03T18:44:56.293+10:002014-06-03T18:44:56.293+10:00Researched today this fr. Jun does exist he is the...Researched today this fr. Jun does exist he is the pastor of green belt chapel and close to the cardinal. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-61880325917942126072014-06-03T18:22:35.414+10:002014-06-03T18:22:35.414+10:00For those who have replied to Peter's comment ...For those who have replied to Peter's comment but do not see your comment. I want to clarify. Peter is in the NCW and is one of the few people we can count on to give us the straight story. With this comment he is actually making our case. And our case is this: the Tagle invite was manufactured at the top and was used to manipulate the communities. Peter is telling us that the only information the communities received initially was an informal invitation to come to Manila if they would like to meet with Kiko. There was no plan to go there to evangelize. There was no invitation from Cardinal Tagle. As Peter tell us, that was "spin". Apologies if I confused Peter's message with my own comment. I was referring to what I had already stated: that it was manufactured at the top. The neo communities - at least the regular folks - were every bit as lied to as were we. Thanks again, Peter. A sane voice. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-12219704658835654292014-06-03T17:12:05.427+10:002014-06-03T17:12:05.427+10:00Chancellor Sescon found in Roman Catholic Archdioc...Chancellor Sescon found in Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Manila<br /><br />http://www.rcam.org/search?searchword=sescon&ordering=&searchphrase=allAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-22441666292522918612014-06-03T17:08:11.092+10:002014-06-03T17:08:11.092+10:00Link to 2011 UCA News article wich mentions "...Link to 2011 UCA News article wich mentions "Father Rufino Jun Sescon, who was Cardinal Sin’s private secretary"<br /><br />http://www.ucanews.com/news/manila-gains-a-new-look-cardinal-sin/5431Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-84040783641058167352014-06-03T17:00:43.511+10:002014-06-03T17:00:43.511+10:00Is this the meeting the NCW youth in Guam are goin...Is this the meeting the NCW youth in Guam are going to?<br /><br />http://www.cbcpnews.com/cbcpnews/?p=36607<br /><br />http://veritas846.ph/new-evangelization-confab-to-empower-laity-showcase-catholic-practices/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-30304375932900375472014-06-03T15:36:27.372+10:002014-06-03T15:36:27.372+10:00To 11;24 AM and 11:29 AM: If you would do a little...To 11;24 AM and 11:29 AM: If you would do a little research, you can find out who the Chancellor Of the Archdiocese of Manila, and then make your own conclusion. He does exist. Confirm it yourself if you do not believe it. To 11:24 AM specifically: if we were to show you Tagle's letter, will you take that mouth of yours and fill it with your own sh##. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-67026554897224528372014-06-03T15:05:06.699+10:002014-06-03T15:05:06.699+10:00Thank you, Peter. Obviously the chancery got a dif...Thank you, Peter. Obviously the chancery got a different email.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-30097011836663998282014-06-03T14:42:35.459+10:002014-06-03T14:42:35.459+10:00In the previous emails about Kiko being in Manila,...In the previous emails about Kiko being in Manila, it was just that..Kiko will be going to Manila if brothers want to see him they can make arrangements with their responsible(s). <br /><br />No one from Guam is going there to evangelize, that is just spin. And nowhere was there mention of an invitation from any Diocese in as far as the emails i have seen though.<br /><br />It was just a simple message, he will be over there, and if you want to go you need furnish your required passport and information, etc..etc. Maybe something more was said during the Easter announcement but i wasn't present, maybe another brother can chime in?<br /><br /><br />pete<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04208892712393987825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-49479904252664813772014-06-03T13:09:27.576+10:002014-06-03T13:09:27.576+10:00There it is again, the fruits of the NCW making th...There it is again, the fruits of the NCW making threats. Remember that the NCW is made up of members who were furthest away from the church. Now they think they speak for God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-49561159303574669282014-06-03T11:57:05.887+10:002014-06-03T11:57:05.887+10:00(continuation):
• Anonymous at (May 31, 2014 at 1...(continuation):<br /><br />• Anonymous at (May 31, 2014 at 11:37 PM): You should work on a number of language skills, including but not limited to: decoding, comprehension, expressive and receptive skills before you continue to post future comments. <br /><br />Your lack of language comprehension skills betrays you in your question “Did you find any article anywhere that Kiko wan’t (sic) to be the next Pope?” Of course not! The term I’ve used is “wannabe” which is defined as “a person who aspires, often vainly, to emulate another’s success or attain eminence in some areas.” I don’t need any article to prove that because clearly Kiko has redefined reception of Holy Communion. According to the NCW, reception is a 2-step process: (1) “receive” = accept in the hand; and (2) “consume”=place in the mouth after everyone in the community has “received” the bread. In the Universal Church, a person who says, “I received Holy Communion” means the Host was accepted either on the tongue — at which point “consumption” is not even an “issue” — or in the hand and then IMMEDIATELY placed in the recipient’s mouth, with no waiting time. Face it: ONLY in the NCW is that act divided into TWO stages! Kiko’s directive in that area speaks volumes of how he views himself — as the NCW pope, a wannabe pope!<br /><br />Then you ask, “Do you have proof that Kiko INSULATED himself meeting with Tagle?” (my emphasis). Maybe you didn’t read correctly my assertion that “Kiko … actually INSINUATED himself into this event.” I’m guessing you saw the letters at the beginning and at the end of my word (insinuated) and misread it as the word “insulated.” So that question, like most of your comment, betrays that you haven’t mastered comprehension of the English language in either the expressive or the receptive mode. As mentioned above, there have been multiple revelations that Cardinal Tagle DID NOT INVITE Kiko to attend the Conference in the Philippines; this proves that Kiko INSINUATED himself — he made himself part of the group, even though he was not invited!<br /><br />For whatever reason, God is allowing the NCW to exist and cause divisions in our local Church, just as He has allowed the other 40,000+ Protestant sects to cause division in the Universal Church. But we will work to stop the division, like it or not.<br /><br />In the meantime, Anonymous 11:37, do yourself a favor and sharpen your language skills.<br />Mary Lounoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-32619194896398420752014-06-03T11:55:44.725+10:002014-06-03T11:55:44.725+10:00Right on cue, the Kiko's/Kiko-bots demonstrate...Right on cue, the Kiko's/Kiko-bots demonstrated their lack of reasoning and/or reading comprehension. I don’t know if the two “Anonymous” posters who mentioned my name are the same person(s), so I would like to respond to both comments:<br /><br />• Anonymous (May 31, 2014 at 10:53 AM): The opening words of your comment — “Your (sic) asking the guy who works the Archdiocese of Manila” — as well as the closing words “Maynila Pilipinas” — indicate that you’re trying to portray yourself as someone from the Philippines. But I seriously doubt that you work for the Archdiocese of Manila.<br /><br />I recognized two non-Tagalog words in your multi-lingual comment — the Chamorro word “biha” and the English word “and” — as well as “sabi mo” as “you say/said” (I wasn’t sure which tense) and “tao” as “people”, so I asked a friend to translate your comment. My friend pointed out that you actually included 4 languages! The most obvious was Tagalog — though I was told it was “broken” Tagalog with incorrect grammar — so I’m guessing you can be labeled as ESL and TTL (Tagalog as a Third Language). In addition to the two non-Tagalog words (“and” and “biha”) I had noted earlier, my friend pointed out “communidad” and “el camino” which, I surmise, are words in your Primary Language.<br /><br />Tim already provided a translation; but here is my friend’s translation, a slight variance from Tim’s: “Those lies and those things you say Mary Lou. The things you know destroys the members of the community of the way. Do you need any proof, old lady?” (I don’t know if you thought you were insulting me by calling me “old lady”; if so, FAIL.)<br /><br />So my question to you, Anonymous 10:53 AM, is: WHO is telling lies? Was it I who stated that Kiko’s/Kiko-bots would be coming out to prolong the lie? (Your comment is proof that I was correct!) Was it I for pointing out that Kiko always ensures that he takes advantage of photo-ops? (There are many photos of Kiko with the Popes as proof that I was correct.) Finally, the multiple revelations denying that Cardinal Tagle issued an invitation to Kiko also prove that I did not lie.<br /><br />(to be continued)Mary Lounoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-151640178669036492014-06-03T11:47:33.083+10:002014-06-03T11:47:33.083+10:00Tim can you confirm that the writer of the above c...Tim can you confirm that the writer of the above comment did identify them self to you. Only then can we think there is truth . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-47897437976947597932014-06-03T11:35:42.200+10:002014-06-03T11:35:42.200+10:00Fine. Doesn't matter. Don't need him to co...Fine. Doesn't matter. Don't need him to confirm that the Cardinal did not invite Kiko. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-49941708938036486422014-06-03T11:33:08.923+10:002014-06-03T11:33:08.923+10:00Cardinal tagle has invited the leadership to Manil...Cardinal tagle has invited the leadership to Manila . archbishop Apuron has told you that he invited him. The 9.58pm is a nut head. We will find you so watch out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-91101445479265220342014-06-03T11:29:13.729+10:002014-06-03T11:29:13.729+10:00Fr. Jun does not exist he is in the imagination of...Fr. Jun does not exist he is in the imagination of the poster. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-36063556598347757182014-06-03T11:24:43.970+10:002014-06-03T11:24:43.970+10:00THE ARCHDIOCESE OF MANILA DID NOT INVITE KIKO. Go ...THE ARCHDIOCESE OF MANILA DID NOT INVITE KIKO. Go ahead, call me a liar. Just waiting. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-29182880098046644032014-06-03T11:24:10.434+10:002014-06-03T11:24:10.434+10:00Yea pope Francis is sending kiko to Manila so why ...Yea pope Francis is sending kiko to Manila so why would tagle stop. Tagle invited invited the international leadership. So shut your mouth or we fill it 9.58pm. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com