tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post8570171713688101343..comments2024-02-29T20:49:12.171+10:00Comments on JungleWatch: KIKO: "NO ROSARY FOR 12 YEARS"Frenchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05189311368021711422noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-21044679049599599892016-12-21T23:04:19.843+10:002016-12-21T23:04:19.843+10:0021 December 2016 5.38 p.m.
"The Bible back...21 December 2016 5.38 p.m. <br /><br />"The Bible backwards" just about sums up Kiko's approach to Scripture.<br /><br />I don't quite understand your syntax but you seem to imply that over the last 53 years catechists have rolled out the Loreto stage at any of the aforementioned "stages". (In my "community" it was in fact at the so-called "Our Father", after about 20 years.)<br /><br />A delay anywhere near 4 years cannot be justified for the most unchurched.<br /><br />Kiko justifies his obstructing and dumbing down any chance at accessing genuine religion because he wants them to learn kaka-buttocks contemplating first. (As opposed to the real thing where he is not required thank you very much.)Austin OEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-23644754963842584832016-12-21T22:53:02.509+10:002016-12-21T22:53:02.509+10:00May 18th 2016 4.39 p.m, Mike from Australia,
The ...May 18th 2016 4.39 p.m, Mike from Australia,<br /><br />The "communities" are overwhelmingly composed of previously steady Catholics and I even personally witnessed some of the few individuals on the fringes being constructively excluded.<br /><br />Then if genuine faith was being passed on, members would certainly be ready for the Rosary far earlier than after 12 years - maybe 12 or 18 months. (Those I knew that did it, seemed to do it irrespective of it not being promoted in the "community".)<br /><br />Local variations from time to time in the amount of opposition to the Rosary actively expressed by individual itinerants, creates a form of "cover" and adds to the deniability factor. Maybe my itinerants knew they would get nowhere with us in my locality by grinding that particular axe so they used all their other tricks to mess us up instead.<br /><br />I can tell you there is one thing I have insider "gnostic" personal revelation knowledge that Our Lady DIDN'T inspire - and that's the crap fashion this "Way" is organised and implemented.<br /><br />I have a mere 27 years' perspective but I could soon be snapping at your heels!<br /><br />Get a life honestly and - Don't Go That Way !!!!!<br />Austin OEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-68285607938763762132016-12-21T09:07:25.714+10:002016-12-21T09:07:25.714+10:00In 1917 the Blessed Mother told 3 uneducated, unca...In 1917 the Blessed Mother told 3 uneducated, uncatechized kids to pray the rosary. I'll stick with the Blessed Mother 😎Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-76619145547860210212016-12-21T05:38:18.376+10:002016-12-21T05:38:18.376+10:00NCW passes on the Rosary at the stage of Loreto wh...NCW passes on the Rosary at the stage of Loreto which can occur at a time determined by a community's catechists. It always occurs after the first scrutiny, the shema, the second scrutiny and the initiation to pray. In the exreme minimum thiswould take four years but it could take up to twenty years for a community to reach this stage. Kiko justified delaying passing on the Rosary in his national convivance 2016 saying that the catechumens need to learn to contemplate first! As a matter of interest Kiko knows the bible backwards and has written many songs based on the psalms and gospel readings including the marriage feast at Cana. If the Way were directed at unformed Christians , as he proposes, his approach could perceivably be justified. However it seems perverse to adopt this approach for the average parishioner of a catholic parish? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-4744144168090581582016-05-18T17:47:39.163+10:002016-05-18T17:47:39.163+10:00Oh Mike the great ! If you walk the way for the pa...Oh Mike the great ! If you walk the way for the past 30 years, you are obviously part of the machine. You are posting a typical neo testimony, which is as hollow as most other ones.<br />You want to convince, yet you start with an insult.<br />Way to go Mate!<br /><br />So sorry my friend, but thanks, no thanks....<br />Great diversion otherwise....<br />Joyfrenchienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-9298127659005005722016-05-18T17:12:07.281+10:002016-05-18T17:12:07.281+10:00Oh, Mike from Australia, you are telling quite us ...Oh, Mike from Australia, you are telling quite us quite a lie, that the Way "works with people who are mainly unchurched". If you watch the whole video of Kiko with the Polish Capuchins, you'll see that he goes even further, by suggesting that the Way is full of ex-communists. That's why I called my post, <a href="http://thoughtfulcatholic.com/?page_id=44328" rel="nofollow">"Kiko's Fairy Tale".</a> Chuck Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18227690954739498998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-30512054978077604962016-05-18T16:46:52.680+10:002016-05-18T16:46:52.680+10:00You give away a lot here:
"when starting wit...You give away a lot here:<br /><br />"when starting with people who are totally secularised" - obviously kiko believes that "regular" Catholics are "totally secularized" because he starts by coming into our churches and during our Mass to recruit. <br /><br />"the Way works with people who are mainly unchurched" - is that why you pull them out of our churches?<br /><br />" i was NEVER discouraged from using it - in fact quite the opposite." - you don't say you were "encouraged" to use it, and apparently it took 12 years before you could say it. That's bullshit. <br /><br />"The 12 years refers to a stage in the way when people are churched enough to use the rosary" - and who gets to decide who is "churched enough"? You? Kiko? Some asshole catechist? Right. <br /><br />"finally the Virgin Mary herself inspired this Way - so hopefully one day you can take up your argument about Kikos heresy and lack of devotion with her directly." - yes the usual kiko conclusion: you can't argue with God. you can't argue with the pope. you can't argue with the Virgin Mary. <br /><br />Yah, get a life, freak. <br /><br /><br /><br />Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-49761857382626310932016-05-18T16:39:11.063+10:002016-05-18T16:39:11.063+10:00This is an absolute lie. The truth is, assuming a...This is an absolute lie. The truth is, assuming anyone on this site recognizes it any more is: when starting with people who are totally secularised you dont introduce the rosary for a long time (you are comparing people with a catholic identity - who accept the rosary easily, whereas the Way works with people who are mainly unchurched; secondly in 30 years in the way i was NEVER discouraged from using it - in fact quite the opposite. The 12 years refers to a stage in the way when people are churched enough to use the rosary; finally the Virgin Mary herself inspired this Way - so hopefully one day you can take up your argument about Kikos heresy and lack of devotion with her directly. Get a life honestly! Mike from Australia<br />1 <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-46801803043734636762015-08-16T15:42:38.875+10:002015-08-16T15:42:38.875+10:0010:11 pm. - read on and weep. Or better yet, why ...10:11 pm. - read on and weep. Or better yet, why don't you come to Guam and see for yourself the damage this group has inflicted on unsuspecting souls who were vulnerable and hurting enough to be suckered into its deceit and lies. You obviously are in the lower part of the echelon to be so oblivious to the real ncw intent and so enmeshed in the cesspool to just allow your misguided ncw leadership to take hold of the most essential part of your identity. No one relinquishes his or her entire being with unquestioning robotic trust. Wake up from your coma and get a grip. Now! Click!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-36921455541507579742015-08-16T06:51:45.708+10:002015-08-16T06:51:45.708+10:00Is Coward@10:11PM saying that our Blessed Mother s...Is Coward@10:11PM saying that our Blessed Mother sanctioned the the NCW Cult? Clearly a Cult member so filled with KAKA that this serpant can't see the truth that is well supported by Facts. We truly are witnessing the Anti-Christ and their disciples as they squirm to protect what little they have gained through their endless deception. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us.Richard Nochefrancanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-72190671711844955232015-08-16T03:53:01.981+10:002015-08-16T03:53:01.981+10:00LOL. Yes, don't bother saying the truth. There...LOL. Yes, don't bother saying the truth. There isn't any.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-2158185994898500552015-08-15T22:11:12.815+10:002015-08-15T22:11:12.815+10:00just noticed this website. Wow what terrible, bit...just noticed this website. Wow what terrible, bitter, misinformed, cacophony of lies and half truths about the Way. I wont bother saying the truth here - it was clearly a casualty from quite early on and cant be revived! God have mercy for the damage you're doing to the very movement asked for by the Virgin herself. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-53854033555331528742015-08-11T23:59:37.308+10:002015-08-11T23:59:37.308+10:00Can google:
"The Miracle of Hiroshima – Jesui...<br />Can google:<br />"The Miracle of Hiroshima – Jesuits survived the atomic bomb thanks to the rosary"<br /><br />Hiroshima, Japan, Aug 9, 2015 / 08:08 am (EWTN News/CNA)<br /><br />EXCERPTS from article:<br /><br />The Hiroshima attack killed around 80,000 people instantly and may have caused about 130,000 deaths, mostly civilians. The attack on the port city of Nagasaki killed about 40,000 instantly and destroyed a third of the city.<br /><br />Four Jesuits were nearby the hypocenter of the attack on Hiroshima, but they survived the catastrophe, and the radiation that killed thousands in the months following had no effect on them................<br /><br />The doctors who took care of them afterwards warned them that the radiation they received would produce serious lesions, as well as illness and premature death.<br /><br />The diagnosis never materialized. No disorders ever developed, and in 1976 Father Schiffer attended the Eucharistic Congress in Philadelphia and told his story. He confirmed that the other Jesuits were still alive and without any ailments. They were examined by dozens of doctors some 200 times over the course of the following years, without any trace of the radiation being found in their bodies.<br /><br />The four religious never doubted that they had been blessed with protection by God and the Blessed Virgin Mary. “We were living the message of Fatima and we prayed the Rosary every day,” they explained.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-67132915661647449752015-08-10T13:47:05.415+10:002015-08-10T13:47:05.415+10:00Tim,
I agree with your post, I always believed tha...Tim,<br />I agree with your post, I always believed that the greatest threat for the church is that from witiin, and yes our Lord himself admonished us that his Church will be assulted by the gates of hell until he comes again(Matt 16:18), hence the many heretical teachings that have surfaced from within its ranks since its existance, and that we should be expecting more to come. My post to our brothers and sisters as well as innocent misled members of the NCW is as regards to our entire life, as well as those that pertain to our eternal salvation, we should always look to the Church that Christ left us as it is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1Tim3:15) and the ark of Salvation that Christ left for us in this world. And to be wary of those men of the cloth who profess to be speaking for God who in many instances have self serving interests in their agenda. But I am hopeful that even as these heretical teachings have surfaced in the history of the Church, Our Lord has always raised from his church members to oppose the error and defend his truth. So we pray and believe that the truth will always prevail.<br />God Bless you in your effortsRAMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-91639806824953052432015-08-10T11:41:14.037+10:002015-08-10T11:41:14.037+10:00"I cannot fathom that one day we will be defe..."I cannot fathom that one day we will be defending Catholic Teaching against those who claim to be within the Catholic Church..."<br /><br />RAM, as demonstrated in my subsequent post FIGHT BACK: PRAY THE ROSARY, we have long been fighting against forces within the Catholic Church much more powerful than Kiko. Kiko is just an opportunist. Theologians and bishops have always paved the way to heresy. We must fight back from within our families. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-88208216565195563912015-08-10T11:19:46.873+10:002015-08-10T11:19:46.873+10:00I cannot fathom that one day we will be defending ...I cannot fathom that one day we will be defending Catholic Teaching against those who claim to be within the Catholic Church while our Bishop who is supposed to be our teacher in the Faith is allowing all this to take place before our very eyes. But so be it, the truth of our faith given to us by the Church must be defended. God help us.<br /><br />The NCW position on the praying the rosary is just another clear indication of how protestant the Theology of Kiko is, and why we should oppose this cult and all their teachings. Perhaps we should first examine the origins of this contemplative prayer (The Rosary) to see why we should follow what the Church Teaches and denounce Kiko’s and all that the NCW Teaches.<br /><br />Luke 1: 26-28 (DR) tells us that the Angel Gabriel was sent from God to proclaim a message to Mary “Hail Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee: Blessed art thou among women.” Is the message originating from the angel Gabriel himself or is the angel Gabriel delivering the message from God Himself? Elizabeth her cousin filled with the Holy Spirit also cried out in a loud voice “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.”(Lk1:42 (DR)). Is it not God the Holy Spirit through the instrument of Elizabeth that this proclamation is made also?<br /><br />If God then is the origin of this proclamation, who is Kiko or the NCW catechist to say that the honor given to Mary by God Himself should be ignored, are we not following the will of God when we honor Mary, after all sacred Scripture tells us that “from now on, all ages will call me blessed” Lk 1:48.<br /><br />St. Thomas also teaches us in his Summa that we should worship God above all creatures, however second only to God, Mary is given honor above all creatures angels and saints following only after what our Lord himself reveals in the honor he bestows upon Mary.<br /><br />Consider also the Ark of the covenant, an object built after the command of God and considered the most holy of all objects in the OT, however it is only a shadow of the greater Ark revealed by God in the NT to be Mary herself (Rev11:19, 12:1), So we must continue to pray the rosary for when we do, we Honor Mary as God wills and Worship God who is Sovereign above all creation, and thank our Lord Jesus who has given us this great gift of his Mother to the Church, to be our Mother also.(Jn 19:26,27)<br />RAMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-55371345585772815142015-08-10T10:20:48.293+10:002015-08-10T10:20:48.293+10:00i didn't look to see what group is having the ...i didn't look to see what group is having the "forming intentional disciples" retreat or who was leading it. however, i did a little google search and found that it's being conducted by a fr william watson, sj. see http://sacredstory.net.<br /><br />the term "intentional disciples" was either coined or popularized by author sherry weddell. http://www.amazon.com/dp/1612785905/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_awdm_b4-Xvb01KCXFPrey dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873954768569450928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-42360902217703715902015-08-09T20:17:11.937+10:002015-08-09T20:17:11.937+10:00Lester, I am so glad that you had the moral streng...Lester, I am so glad that you had the moral strength to resist the twisted theology of the ncw and the hideous dynamic of mind control in that cult. You have honored the memory of your parents and grandmother by trying to pass on what defined you as a Catholic Christian. Stay strong in the faith - I believed in you since you were a small boy, and admire you even now as you face the responsibilities of a husband and as a father. I wish I can say who I am but in this environment suffice it to say that many of us hold you in greatest respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-77064261134251417132015-08-09T16:58:57.878+10:002015-08-09T16:58:57.878+10:00When my wife and I were a part of the Agana commun...When my wife and I were a part of the Agana community NCW, I recalled one of the catechisis that praying the rosary as well as praying the novenas, divine mercy, and other devotionals will not get us to heaven. The catechist says, "Walking in the Way is our ticket to heaven" <br />I was bothered by this. I come from a family that prays the rosary together. I was taught to pray the rosary when I was 6 years old by my parents and my grandmother. Praying the rosary was my first spiritual devotion. Lester Gonzalesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-2337255360048225272015-08-09T15:52:43.995+10:002015-08-09T15:52:43.995+10:00Excerpt from "On the Most Holy Rosary" e...<br /><br /> Excerpt from "On the Most Holy Rosary" encyclical by (Saint) Pope John Paul II<br /><br />The Rosary, a treasure to be rediscovered<br /><br />43. Dear brothers and sisters! A prayer so easy and yet so rich truly deserves to be rediscovered by the Christian community. ....<br /><br />I turn particularly to you, my dear Brother Bishops, priests and deacons, and to you, pastoral agents in your different ministries: through your own personal experience of the beauty of the Rosary, may you come to promote it with conviction.<br /><br />I also place my trust in you, theologians: by your sage and rigorous reflection, rooted in the word of God and sensitive to the lived experience of the Christian people, may you help them to discover the Biblical foundations, the spiritual riches and the pastoral value of this traditional prayer.<br /><br />I count on you, consecrated men and women, called in a particular way to contemplate the face of Christ at the school of Mary.<br /><br />I look to all of you, brothers and sisters of every state of life, to you, Christian families, to you, the sick and elderly, and to you, young people: confidently take up the Rosary once again. Rediscover the Rosary in the light of Scripture, in harmony with the Liturgy, and in the context of your daily lives.<br /><br />May this appeal of mine not go unheard! At the start of the twenty-fifth year of my Pontificate, I entrust this Apostolic Letter to the loving hands of the Virgin Mary, prostrating myself in spirit before her image in the splendid Shrine built for her by Blessed Bartolo Longo, the apostle of the Rosary. I willingly make my own the touching words with which he concluded his well-known Supplication to the Queen of the Holy Rosary: “O Blessed Rosary of Mary, sweet chain which unites us to God, bond of love which unites us to the angels, tower of salvation against the assaults of Hell, safe port in our universal shipwreck, we will never abandon you. You will be our comfort in the hour of death: yours our final kiss as life ebbs away. And the last word from our lips will be your sweet name, O Queen of the Rosary of Pompei, O dearest Mother, O Refuge of Sinners, O Sovereign Consoler of the Afflicted. May you be everywhere blessed, today and always, on earth and in heaven”.<br /><br />From the Vatican, on the 16th day of October in the year 2002, the beginning of the twenty- fifth year of my Pontificate.<br /><br />JOHN PAUL II<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-69468024900569574482015-08-09T13:14:23.827+10:002015-08-09T13:14:23.827+10:00I would think kiko's stance on praying the ro...I would think kiko's stance on praying the rosary would not sit well with Catholic Chamorros in the NCW. Apparently archie has no problem with this. <br />Eileen Benavente-Blas eileenbbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12190641393439863817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-12394612704569445382015-08-09T11:59:23.822+10:002015-08-09T11:59:23.822+10:00I am hoping and praying that all the faithful are ...I am hoping and praying that all the faithful are DONATING TO THE CCOG! We must rid our island of Kiko, Apuron, Cristobal, and Quitugua! This requires ACTION! I do what I do from out here. You do WHAT YOU NEED TO DO THERE. DONATE TO THE CCOG!John C. Ada Toves TYPHOONnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-55899639148606966902015-08-09T09:42:56.974+10:002015-08-09T09:42:56.974+10:00
Fr. Rudy I observed scans our page between 1am -...<br />Fr. Rudy I observed scans our page between 1am - 1.30am. Posts rude comments so easy to identify him. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-8593329742470630632015-08-09T07:40:07.099+10:002015-08-09T07:40:07.099+10:00Thank you for that clarification. But 12 years is...Thank you for that clarification. But 12 years is too long a time to wait to introduce the rosary to those who are not familiar....so, I agree, probably just B.S. <br />So Kiko does not believe in the visitations from our Blessed Mother? After all, it has been through these visitations that she has implored us to pray the rosary...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-44223712389214002342015-08-09T06:17:44.824+10:002015-08-09T06:17:44.824+10:00Just a clarification, the 12 years does not refer ...Just a clarification, the 12 years does not refer to age, but to length of time in the NCW. That means that even if you were brought up with the rosary, when you joined the NCW you are no longer permitted to pray it for 12 years. Of course it's all B.S. The fact is that the rosary is probably never introduced or promoted. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.com