tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post8749252558371150742..comments2024-02-29T20:49:12.171+10:00Comments on JungleWatch: SHOW US YOUR CATECHETICAL DIRECTORYFrenchiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05189311368021711422noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-76758061213607668212015-08-21T12:47:23.373+10:002015-08-21T12:47:23.373+10:00Tim, wouldn't you think that people would real...Tim, wouldn't you think that people would realize this? They don't because no one except their communities ever knew them. So few attended the ordinations except the clappers. Even the music was done by RMS not the Cathedral. They shoudl have been Archdiocesan celebrations. They weren't. Oh, except for the local boy. Ahem. Never mind. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-89677597024823049562015-08-21T12:36:56.375+10:002015-08-21T12:36:56.375+10:00So. Let get this straight. One goes to the commun...So. Let get this straight. One goes to the community gathering. Then they READ from Kiko and Carmens stream of consciousness? Wait a minute. Fell asleep. Who the hell cares about their stream of consciousness? 13 Volumes of stream of consiousness? Uhhm, maybe NO. PS I have the available Volume one. That's money not well invested, that's for sure. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-58936349172394444192015-08-21T12:32:31.603+10:002015-08-21T12:32:31.603+10:00Yes, gone forever, but not from the Agana payroll....Yes, gone forever, but not from the Agana payroll. We have to pay for these guys to be on vacation for the rest of their lives...and ours too. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-59013956653883488322015-08-21T12:17:30.922+10:002015-08-21T12:17:30.922+10:00Something big coming for NCW....patience people~ ...Something big coming for NCW....patience people~ hey, where's HAROLD? Hey, where's LUIS? Hey, Where's FABULOSO?? Lost and gone forever...where are those other guys the MISSIONARIES? Never a Word from those presbyters INCARDINATED in Agana Church... VERY strange. INDEED. Philidelphia where the POPE is going said the are RELEASED for NEO projects...hmmmmm. What happened to the ORDINARIES who requested them????? Hey, Tony, who are the bishops who REQUESTED...we want to know...otherwise, we just think it is another LIE...they were requested BS!!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-48354685877014743452015-08-21T11:25:30.747+10:002015-08-21T11:25:30.747+10:00The question is why is not publicly available in t...The question is why is not publicly available in the first place. I believe it has to do with a certain Cardinal in the Vatican. I've mentioned him before but will probably do a post later. But no, don't know where you can find a copy of the approved directory. I don't think the neo catechists even know, since they use the unapproved one. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-47510811192198046302015-08-21T10:46:55.339+10:002015-08-21T10:46:55.339+10:00Ah, I see. So is there anywhere we can find the ac...Ah, I see. So is there anywhere we can find the actual directory that was approved for publication? I would be very curious as to the amendments to the text made by the Vatican.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-83897019249878791082015-08-21T04:46:42.923+10:002015-08-21T04:46:42.923+10:00Actually what follows is the 1999 "corrected ...Actually what follows is the 1999 "corrected version", but it is NOT the version the Vatican permitted to be published in 2010. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-27937939170922733552015-08-20T17:42:16.027+10:002015-08-20T17:42:16.027+10:00Yes, it makes you wonder what happened in the inte...Yes, it makes you wonder what happened in the intervening decade. And what the "corrected" version of 1999 actually contained. The fact that this mess is going on should have every true Catholic's blood up. Its an embarrassment and a sacrilege.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-62039426527559057042015-08-20T15:40:53.605+10:002015-08-20T15:40:53.605+10:00It's rather funny. The letter from the CDF is ...It's rather funny. The letter from the CDF is dated 2010. Kiko's "introduction" referring to the following as the "corrected text" is dated 1999. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-76795487186194386432015-08-20T15:23:59.458+10:002015-08-20T15:23:59.458+10:00i see. that makes more sense because it would be ...i see. that makes more sense because it would be odd for the cdf to have given approval to that content as it's presented. because i'm not a theologian and i can already see problems with it!<br />rey dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873954768569450928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-66272044113512715432015-08-20T15:16:59.456+10:002015-08-20T15:16:59.456+10:00Actually what you have there is more scam. It'...Actually what you have there is more scam. It's not the approved version. Kiko did a cut and past job with the CDF letter and the Catechism references. But the text of Kiko's teachings is the original, not the one amended by Rome. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-37515364370334738662015-08-20T15:10:11.015+10:002015-08-20T15:10:11.015+10:00thanks, anon. wow, talk about problematic. i'...thanks, anon. wow, talk about problematic. i've seen snippets of that text as shared by tim and by chuck. makes you wonder why the cdf allowed its approval as it is. for some reason the cdf was satisfied with the mere visual framing of the pages by citations from the catechism.<br /><br />kiko doesn't hide the fact that the plan all along is to break down the parish model and replace it with his vision of small communities. he sounds elitist too--"real Christians," "sacrament of salvation."rey dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873954768569450928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-64624618520526601322015-08-20T15:06:20.481+10:002015-08-20T15:06:20.481+10:00Thanks. But very hard to determine when comments a...Thanks. But very hard to determine when comments are anonymous. The same question had been asked before and when I answered "yes", I was then asked who was I to question Rome's approval. But as you see there is more to the story. And your comment gave me a chance to tell it. Thanks, Breakfast. :)Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-77279254407963270682015-08-20T13:45:53.044+10:002015-08-20T13:45:53.044+10:00No Tim, I am not a plant! I am not trying to set ...No Tim, I am not a plant! I am not trying to set you up. I know there are 13 volumes but have no idea if they were approved that is why I asked the question.<br /><br />-Breakfast at Tiffany'sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-62658481173069948492015-08-20T13:23:15.961+10:002015-08-20T13:23:15.961+10:00Hello rey d, the decree is printed at the beginnin...Hello rey d, the decree is printed at the beginning of Volume one of the Catechetical Directory. You can access the first part of it here: <br /><br />http://tempsend.com/AE914E3B39<br /><br />You might also like to read Kiko's letter (the Introductory Note) that follows the Decree. Its a real blast. Here he tells us that in his teaching "truth is not to be found in the individual phrase, but in the general context". That's encouraging isn't it?<br /><br />He also concludes this little gem with his oft repeated claim to be inspired by the Holy Spirit - in fact, to be the mouth piece of God. Again, I'm sure that fills you with confidence. <br /><br />If you want the links to the other parts of the first volume, I'm sure that could be arranged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-54282877230371130772015-08-20T11:58:20.938+10:002015-08-20T11:58:20.938+10:00Exactly. But Kiko is a master of bull--t. He knows...Exactly. But Kiko is a master of bull--t. He knows how to take a few words by the Pope, words the pope uses to address many groups, and turn them into something that sounds like a Papal Bull...well "bull" is not far from the truth. <br /><br />In any event, we have clear evidence that they don't give a rip what the pope says. They do what they want. So we then we must do what we want: STOP THEM. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305960063884511003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-86926813545971962982015-08-20T09:51:11.075+10:002015-08-20T09:51:11.075+10:00Instructions by the pope carries no weight as Kiko...Instructions by the pope carries no weight as Kiko and followers arrogantly ignore and defy the pope. Rome, why bother giving instructions if there are no consequences for disobedience? Just saying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-28595681885716695112015-08-20T09:29:15.634+10:002015-08-20T09:29:15.634+10:00Actually, their reply has always been something li...Actually, their reply has always been something like, 'well, we've been doing it and Vatican hasn't stopped us. If you have a problem with it, then write to them.' Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5652940417109665141.post-30103975028379721222015-08-20T05:14:02.702+10:002015-08-20T05:14:02.702+10:00there's an old vatican information service art...there's an old vatican information service article that says the following:<br /><br />"Subsequently, following due consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, by a decree of 26 December 2010, the council gave approval to the publication of the Catechetical Directory as a valid and binding instrument for the catechesis of the Neo-Catechumenal Way."<br /><br />however, i've never been able to find this "decree of 26 december 2010" from the cdf. with much of neocat teaching conducted in secret, but also knowing their track record of not abiding by the corrections made by vatican, the reasonable thing for Catholics to do is to be cautious or, best, to stay away.<br /><br />also during my retreat a couple weeks ago, i came across a book called "ecclesial movements and communities" by brian leahy. sure enough, it devotes a paragraph on pope benedict's instruction to them to follow the liturgical books--all the way to cardinal arinze's instruction which apuron famously disrespected. it doesn't say, however, how faithful the neocats are to that mandate.<br />rey dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16873954768569450928noreply@blogger.com