I'll comment later.
I'm back. Let's go through this.
KUAM: According to Father Adrian Cristobal Archbishop Anthony Apuron had and still has every intention of meeting with Fathers Tom McGrath, Jeff San Nicolas, Mike Crisostomo, Patrick Castro and Gus Gumataotao. The five priests as we reported wrote a letter to the archbishop dated August 4th.
LIE! The Archbishop had no intention of ever meeting with these priests until I posted their letter on this blog and it made news. He had the letter for over a week and there was not a word of any intent to meet. There was no intent to meet because the Archbishop had been caught red-handed in another lie and there was no way his word could stand up to the word of these 5 priests.
KUAM: According to Father Cristobal however, he tells KUAM today that the archbishop explained in detail the serious situation that the archdiocese found itself to the Presbyteral Council during that july 25th meeting and he told the council clearly that he was going to take action.
LIE! The Archbishop LIED to the Presbyteral Council. The evidence of the "serious situation" "explained in detail" to the Presbyteral Council were the issues noted in the letter from Deloitte and Touche dated January 8, 2014.
As explained by Mr. Art Ilagan, Mr. Joseph Rivera, and Mr. Rick Duenas, the men tasked to address those financial issues, all of the issues but one had been addressed and resolved by June 2014, a full month before the Archbishop "explained in detail the serious situation" to the Presbyteral Council, with the last one to be addressed on or before August 15.
And, as Mr. Joseph Rivera explained to the media in a press conference held on the steps of the Cathedral on August 6:
In fact, the archbishop himself in a letter dated June 26, 2014 addressed to Monsignor James, a mere 6 weeks ago, acknowledged that much corrective action has been accomplished. In that letter, the archbishop, based on the recommendations of Deloitte & Touche, instructed Monsignor James to have the Financial statements ending June 30, 2014 ready to be submitted by August 15, 2014. As we all know, Monsignor Benavente was never given that opportunity, as he was removed on July 31, 2014.
Based on our review of the financial position of both the Cathedral Basilica and the Catholic cemeteries, it is our professional opinion that the allegation of financial mismanagement was not supported by the facts and perhaps there were other underlying reasons for Monsignor Benavente’s removal from both of these entities.
So the TRUTH is, the accounting problems noted in the January 8 letter from D & T no longer existed on July 25 when the Archbishop addressed the Presbyteral Council, and he himself had admitted so in his letter of June 26 to Msgr. James.
The January 8 letter from D & T was dishonestly used by Archbishop Apuron to fake the Presbyteral Council into supporting his so-called corrective action, when corrective action had already been taken by Msgr. James himself.
Here is the timeline for the corrective action initiated by Msgr. James after receiving the D & T letter of January 8, and here is an explanation, point by point, of when each issue was resolved - and all before the Archbishop's meeting with the Presbyteral Council on July 25.
If all the archbishop wanted to do was reassign Msgr. James, then he only had to reassign Msgr. James. There was no need to go to the Presbyteral Council with this stack of lies. As Fr. Cristobal says, the Presbyteral Council is only advisory and their consent is not needed by the Archbishop for administrative decisions.
So why did he go to them? Because, after the Fr. Paul firing fiasco, he knew there would be a backlash to his firing of Msgr. James and he wanted to use his so called meeting with the Presbyteral Council and the College of Consultors as cover. He just never expected any of these priests to stand up and say he lied. But they did.
• Archbishop Apuron lied when he used the January 8 D & T letter as evidence of his urgent need to take corrective action - when corrective action had already been taken and he had himself officially recognized this fact in writing.
• Archbishop Apuron lied when he used the meeting in the context of his press statement explaining his reasons for firing Msgr. James.
He lies. He lies. He lies. And so does Adrian.
These constant lies are a great insult to the Catholics of Guam. The Archbishop and his crew must think that we are all very stupid and that we can be rolled just because they wear robes and collars. They are wrong.
"It even appeared on a blog somewhere."
ReplyDeleteGood golly, Miss Molly!
Oh the pain of trying to act as though that "blog somewhere" is of no interest to the Chancery! I literally did LOL when I heard those words!
DeleteBTW: I noticed that, to their credit, PNC did not bother with reporting on this "response from the Archbishop," given how Janela Carrera was able to nail Fr. Adrian last month when he contradicted himself in trying to explain the Fr. Wadeson issue.
Changing the story to fit the Lie? No wonder these NCW youths know how to spin the truth. They have a good teacher!
ReplyDeleteSounds like more time is needed for "spinning". I think that using his trip to Korea is a poor excuse not to respond in a timely manner. Apuron had enough time from the date of the letter/the date it was received and the date of his departure. I guess that several days wasn't enough for "spinning". It is just so dumbfounding at times just to read these things. How come he has to use LETTERS and SPOKESPERSONS to defend his actions? Why doesn't he just SPEAK and defend himself? The written word at times can be misinterpreted by the readers, unlike the spoken word. I understand that Apuron doesn't need "permission" to do what he wants to do, as we all have seen. But he still needs to answer and take responsibility for any actions he takes. The last time I checked, Apuron's seat is in Agana, not Rome. I hope that he gives the clergy clarification and explanation, because for him to apologize would be asking too much these days....the "humility" days are gone, just like the "obedience" days were gone years ago.
ReplyDeleteThomas Francis, I believe that in one of "her" earlier posts "Diana" explained the reason Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron remains silent is because he is like Jesus who remained silent and refused to answer questions all throughout His Passion. PLUS if the Archbishop speaks, "Diana" claims that his words would be twisted.
DeleteOver the years the Archbishop has rarely spoken on his own — unless he was speaking about the "evils of gambling." On other issues the Archbishop had the Administrator of this blog represent him in the media.
I believe the Archbishop avoids speaking in public because he does not want to respond to questions that will inevitably be raised. I believe that because so many lies have been told in the past year, he would have a hard time keeping his story straight when reporters ask follow-up questions to any verbal statement he makes.
Instead, the Archbishop chooses to issue Statements to the Media and, if a problem arises, he sends Fr. Adrian Cristobal to speak on his behalf. Unfortunately Fr. Adrian has been unable to keep the stories straight, as PNC’s Janela Carrera revealed last month.
The Archbishop’s refusal to speak for himself PLUS his Statements to the Media PLUS Fr. Adrian assuming the role of the Archbishop’s spokesperson are volatile ingredients in a Recipe for Disaster!
Seems to me that he would only reply if it hits the media. Probably needs to keep a journal for the Nuncio to cover his behind.
ReplyDeleteWhy is Adrian Crystal No Balls doing all the talking? Isn't Msgr. David the next in line when the Arch is gone? I wonder why Msgr. David has been quiet all this time?
They (Father Adrian and the Neo Leaders) only respond after this story it gets picked up by KUAM? They have had that letter for almost 2 weeks? Who is Father Adrian kidding? No one. Its time to leave Adrian as you really are a poor excuse for a priest! As hard as that hurts me to say to you. Step down and leave with some dignity, before you have nothing left. You guys are all washed out. The Truth will always prevail.
ReplyDeleteMy, My, Father Adrian, I see you are trying to do "damage control". I think it is too late. The cat is out of the bag. Step down and spare us from any more embarrassment
ReplyDeleteAAA and Adrian, no more scandals please. You guys need to tell the truth and get down from your high horse
ReplyDeleteThis is just another reason to ban the NWC from Guam. Enough is Enough. Even the elders are tired of this BS.
ReplyDeleteHere we go again.. another lie to cover up the other lie. The more they spin the more tangled up they'll get in their own web. LOL
ReplyDeleteSounds like a bill Clinton response to Monica lewinski.
ReplyDeleteAnyone familiar with George Orwell's Animal Farm? The Archdiocese of Agana should change its name to Animal Archdiocese. Fr. Adrian is Squealer, the pig who explained (lied about) Napoleon's (Apuron's) actions to the other animals (members of the diocese). Snowball (Msgr. James) who sincerely cared about improving Animal Farm for the benefit of all the animals was chased off by the dogs (Neo leadership) that Napoleon raised from pups to be enforcers of his decrees. Boxer (Diana et al) believed everything Squealer said as Napoleon's mouthpiece and never doubted Napoleon's actions. His (Diana's) motto, " Napoleon (Apuron) is always right."
ReplyDeleteBenjamin the wise donkey (Tim) was the lone voice of reason who knew the truth and made it known. It didn't end well for the animals on Animal Farm. How will it end for us in Animal Archdiocese???
Eileen Benavente-Blas
He couldn't remember the "blog"?? Ai Adai, Adrian.
ReplyDeleteI hope the media keeps the pressure on these jokers! They are Lousy!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous (August 19, 2014 at 9:15 PM), the media aren't the ones that are keeping "the pressure on these jokers" because, besides the Statements issued by the Archbishop, the media reports are fueled by posts on, per Fr. Adrian, a "blog somewhere," the TRUE source of the Pressure.
DeleteThis blog had its genesis with Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron's removal of Fr. Paul Gofigan from SBCC on 16 July 2013 when he threatened Fr. Paul with a "more arduous and painful closure" to his assignment. K57's Patti Arroyo was the first person to state publicly the possibility of a connection between the NCW and Fr. Paul's removal just one week after it happened. If someone in the media had taken that connection seriously and started to do some research, things may not have gotten this far. But nobody in the media followed up; all was quiet in the Archdiocese of Agana and the Three on the Hill patted themselves on the back for their job well done (or so they thought).
The media sat up and took notice when that "blog somewhere" reported that Fr. Paul decided to challenge his removal which did not follow due process per Canon Law. They dutifully reported that latest development. PNC was able to contact Fr. Dacanay, Fr. Paul's Canon Lawyer, and air a telephone interview. Then the story faded into the background with occasional coverage, as when Fr. Paul was in the process of moving out of SBCC and into SASVCC as a "priest in residence."
That "blog somewhere" continued to post entries and slowly information about the NCW began to be revealed. The media still did not find anything newsworthy until Fr. Paul's letter to the Archbishop about the Tagaytay incident was posted in January. Once again, the media dutifully reported the latest incident — interestingly when the audio was posted there was no follow-up. The media covered other stories gleaned from that "blog somewhere" — concerns about the Archdiocesan Annual Appeal and the refusal/lies regarding Aaron Quitugua's desire to enter an off-island seminary (at no expense to the Archdiocese) are the two that come to mind. Personally, I found it interesting that nobody in the media noticed the release of the 2011 letter from Archbishop Balvo (then Nuncio) to the Archbishop regarding his failure to submit financial statements as required, in light of the latter's accusations about financial mismanagement made against Msgr. James Benavente.
The coverage of the Archbishop's removal of Msgr. James has been the most extensive but not because somebody in the media took the initiative and started doing some independent investigative reporting. The media coverage follows in the wake of what is uncovered right here on JungleWatch, that "blog somewhere" which has a foundation of Truth and has documents and recordings to verify what is posted.
From the beginning, PNC has been most consistent in covering the goings-on in the Archdiocese. To their credit, they passed on the "Archbishop's response" — actually Fr. Adrian's response — to the Letter from the Five Priests since Janela Carrera had already exposed Fr. Adrian's inability to keep his stories straight. I would love to see an in-depth investigative report by either PNC and/or KUAM about how the Church on Guam has reached this sad condition.
In summary: It is that "blog somewhere" (AKA JungleWatch) — not the media — that is keeping the "pressure on these jokers."
Oooops — that was supposed to be Mary Lou, not Mary Loy. LOL!!
DeleteAnyway, I just noticed that "blog somewhere" is now close to 900,000 Pageviews! It will hit 1,000,000 before long — can the counter handle that? Or will it reset to ZERO?
@ Mary Loy (Lou) : Pithy!
Delete"Don't spit on my face and tell me it's raining."
ReplyDeleteAdrian missed the last part. "Based on these findings, I have decided that a change in administration in these two entities, the Agana Cathedral-Basilica and The Catholic Cemeteries of Guam, Inc., is necessary and urgent to reestablish proper accounting practices and to complete the financial review, financial report and the audit".
ReplyDeleteThe archbishop didn't say what he was going to do and the council would have objected to it. AAA only reinstated the council after the Nuncio found out he wasn't consulting them on matters. Looks like AAA doesn't care for the Nuncio either. The assignment of priests isn't the matter at hand. It is maligning a brother priest with falsehoods. I predict the 5 did this to remove themselves for many upcoming lawsuits. Good on them.
Btw- what about the story about the rector Rev. Rodriguez of the RMS?
You mean Father Pablo? Is he back?
DeleteWhy was the story titled, "Archbishop responds" when it was Adrian talking?... Can he no longer speak for himself?
ReplyDeleteAaa can't remember anything, too much margarita and as far as Adrian's lies, he can no longer remember what he said or wrote before because they're all lies. Adrian, early sign of Alzheimer's?
ReplyDeleteThis archdiocese is such a disgusting place.
ReplyDeleteBishop speaks but actual meaning needs to be read from his brain......anyone out there that read minds please step up......what is heard is not what it seems.....
ReplyDeleteFr Adrian.....please think before you send out a press release......your are losing respect....not that it matters to you...
What prideful words coming from one of Msgr. James' brothers in Christ! Does Fr. Adrian not remember that it was proven that the letter's charges were already being addressed and the Msgr. was getting the Cemetery finances in order? No humility or charity in that spin. No mea culpa. The face of our Church, ladies and gentlemen.
ReplyDeleteBTW, the Archbishop gave Msgr. James until last Friday, 8/15, to complete the final task. I'm assuming his successor would then inherit that deadline? I mean, if that's all they need to complete the audit, and Msgr. James' staff allegedly wasn't doing things properly, then prudence would dictate that the Archbishop assigned someone who could complete that task on time, right?
Father Adrian? Care to respond to a legitimate question on a blog somewhere?
Bravo 11;06 Pm. You are right! But since Monsignor David can't even get the a/c repaired or running and bulletins are late or short, can we expect him to do this important task? Nope.
Delete"on a blog somewhere"...
ReplyDeleteit's common technique to not mention one's adversary by name. by doing so, the adversary is made to seem less personable and therefore less likeable.
also, perhaps fr adrian didn't want to promote junglewatch. it's to his advantage not to mention the blog by name.
whether fr adrian had either of these intentions when he didn't mention the name of the blog, i have no idea. maybe he just forgot?
It was stupid even to say it. It tells us that he's got blog on the brain.
Deleteyeah, by mentioning it, it shows that he's got this blog squarely in his mind. but he couldn't bring himself to face that fact.
Deletei almost want to give the neocats some basic advice on how to argue their side effectively. but it seems like they just can't do it, even shooting themselves in the foot, and their inability to answer all these questions by itself is a telltale sign.
No man who practices deceit
ReplyDeleteshall live within my house.
No man who utters lies shall stand
before my eyes.
--psalm 101
This does not apply to NCW. They can be deceitful as hell as long as they remain obedient they will go straight to heaven.
DeleteSupport of Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron OFM CAP,DD
ReplyDeleteauthor: Luis Carino
target: Archbishop Martin Krebs, Pontifical Delegate of Oceania, Cardinal Fernando Filoni
signatures: 2
21,000
we've got 2 signatures, help us get to 1,000
JUNGLEWATCHERS: A PETITION TO SUPPORT ARCHBISHOP ANTHONY...ONLY TWO SIGNATURES. Anyone from the Jungle want to support Archbishop Anthony?. hohum, yet another petition for Krebs and Filoni
HAHAHAHAHA! Monkey see, monkey do! When they see us, humans, they just can't help themselves!
DeleteGoodness, KikoNeos, don't you EVER have an original idea, EVER?
Another petition, after all the others started by REAL CATHOLICS?
Well, what else do we expect than to be copied by these NeoCancers? You already want to "copy" and change OUR CATHOLIC CHURCH, so a stupid petition FOR Apuron is so telling of the kind of minds at work in your CULT!
Can't think for yourselves when you are brainwashed. "Copy and Paste," change the name from in support of "MSGR. JAMES" to wee-man "apuron," and Viola, a world-changing, love-showing petition for this idiotic leader!
Plagiarize = Copy and Lie
Liars = NeoCancers, Kiko followers
Yes, I would love to sign that petition for apuron...NOT!
Watch...the pleading for signatures will go out to all those neo communities outside of Guam. Only way to get their signature numbers up!
DeleteEven the the names of their babies will be on that petition, just like the others. Imagine, setting up email accounts for infants. HAHAHAHA, no shame Neos.
DeleteJealous?
DeleteThis shameless petition has 2 signatures as of this time, 1 from Malta and 1 from Netherlands. They support a evil Archbisop that they barely no anything about. That my friends is what you expect from the NCW. With them, it's never about right or wrong; it's about wether you're a member or not. You can lie, cheat steal, and defame as long as you are a brother/sister of the NCW. It's like criminal gangs that victimize anyone standing between them and power/money. They will also cover up for any of their brother/sisters in the gang. They abandon their family for their new family. They attack those who threaten to expose them. Hopefully there are those who see the light and leave this NCW gang.
DeleteHave no second thoughts about protecting our Catholic faith against this crazy gang. It is the right and Godly thing to do; ignore the venom from their mouths.
Hope Archbishop doesn't learn only two people signed his petition. When I was studying psychology we did an experiment. We put a tiny ad in thr National Enquirer which said: please send $1.00 to this address. Bingo we got 1800.00 !!! Some people sign anything. But only two?? Pizza Pie is way more popular!!!
DeleteWho is this Louis Carino? Is he from here or elsewhere? If he is from elsewhere...Butt out of our affairs! Stick to the affairs from where you are at. Signatures from Malta and the Netherlands.....Good Grief Charlie Brown....
DeleteAnother NeoCancer that just opened that fb page on August 4. Could be from Guam, could be from Spain, could be from anywhere.
DeleteSurely that carino only opened the page to comment and try to know down nonNeos. He/She/It just started friending people, like jeff skavril and jv aguon fairly recently too.
Or it could also be edivaldo or another neoPresbyter/Seminarian(?)
Could be anyone, but insignificant...We the TRUE CATHOLICS ARE!
They were called to meet to discuss other matters and the Archbishop walks in reads a quick statement and doesn't leave room for opinions or consultation or questions. "That is not understanding" when you blind side them. The council was a bit lost and asked to adjourn? The others were not there cause they missed the meeting. They have no say in the battle. They didn't want to be a part of this corrupted action either. The financial matters are so bad the corruption it actually starts at the top with the seminary, the NCW, and Apuron. Rome it watching and taken lots of notes. Can wait for the financial report. BTW- Mr. Fitzgerald is a good friend of mine and he laughed at how Apuron is doing this and presenting this. The full audit will be made available and the people will see the truth about Apuron and his regime. Regime change NOW!
ReplyDeleteI personally know Dan Fitzgerald and he would not put his signature on an unprofessional audit report.
DeleteIt was not an "audit report". It was letter in response to a review noting discrepancies and lack of information that his company needed before proceeding with the audit. The letter was responded to and the issues addressed. This is normal procedure when preparing for an audit. But since you know Mr. Fitzgerald, perhaps you can ask him what he thinks about how the Archbishop is using his name and his company.
DeleteThis needs to be stated more prominently! I've used the argument multiple times because the vocal NCW members constantly refer to this letter as proof positive that everyone else is in the wrong and they're right.
DeleteThe letter was a response to a previous letter from Apuron that asked specific questions. While it speaks of certain points that will go into an audit report and financial statement, it is nothing more than a piece of specific communication between Apuron and D&T.
How many audits or financial statements start with the salutation "Dear sir/madame:". I've yet to encounter a single one.
@8:55AM are you the one giving info to Diana about this whole audit thing that she is waiting for information? Are you sneaking out info from the audit firm without anyone's knowledge? Just asking because you said you personally know this Dan Fitzerald.
Delete6 views from Italy in the past 3 hours. All over in and around Rome and surrounding towns, all different IP addresses too so it isn't the same person.
ReplyDeleteWhat about the other lie in which the Archbishop stated that overall the finances in the Archdiocese was healthy? Then he turns around and says Msgr. James caused this huge debt and that's why he needed to remove him? How many other lies will be concocted and spit from the venomous mouths of San Ramon Hill?
ReplyDeleteLUCKILY, WE ARE NOT STUPID AND WE KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT!
ReplyDeleteNEVER LISTEN TO LIES SPEWED BY APURON, QUITUGUA, CRISTOBAL, PIUS AND ALL THESE KIKO NEO TWITS!!!
Kiko came out of the slums holding two tablets. What was it...the 10 COMMANDMENTS OF KIKO;
ReplyDelete1. We are THE KIKOS, there shall not be any non neos before us.
2. You shall not destroy the name of the KIKOS.
3. Remember to keep the KIKO SATURDAY as your Sabbath just as the 7th Day Adventist do.
4. Honor your fellowKIKOS and no one else
5. No KIKOS shall ax any NEO presbyters, only ax those who do not follow
6. You have commited adultery that is why you are a bona fide KIKO
7. KIKOS cannot steal, but live off the non neos.
8. KIKOS shall cover up all the Lies due to OBEDIENCE
9. KIKOS can look at Macho Seminarias, but no touch.
10 KIKOS can have their neighbors goods, just pass the trash bags around.
KIKOS 2 GREATEST COMMANDMENTS
Delete1. LOVE ONLY THE KIKOS WITH YOUR WHOLE HEART AND SOUL
2. PRETEND TO LOVE ALL NON NEOS THE WAY YOU LOVE ALL KIKOS, (NOW GO AX ALL WHO ARE TELLING THE TRUTH)
The 10 Kikomanments were delivered to archbishop apuwrong by the Generillis via united airlines first class
ReplyDeleteAll these expenses are paid by the blind non NEOS who don't understand what is happening to our church. If we don't oppose the NEOS now they will take over all the parishes. We will be praying like all the pagans before Christ. Start buying your chacha shoes.
DeleteThere is even more division in the Catholic Church on Guam. I see that Timothy is not only getting facts, but is out to remove the Archbishop as well. I wonder. Even though there is some division between the NEOs and the others it is only because Timothy wants to correct every little thing that the Liturgy in the Neo Eucharist Celebration. Timothy should just stop creating more division between the people and the Church. Let me just say yes Timothy has letters and other copies. But it seems that Timothy loves to steal copies that are supposed to be internal and make it external. Timothy, who is you spy? You might say all those following the One, Holy , Catholic and Apostolic Church. But we all belong to the Church. Even though you go to the TLM (Latin Mass) at the Friary. Are you saying that my Novus Ordo Mass is not giving the same spiritual feeling as you get in the TLM? Well, let me just say. I am not a Neo Follower. I am a person who is very angry with the way you talk about the Archbishop, who is the local ordinary of this Archdiocese. My elders who are christian mothers of my parish know that even though you want the archbishop OUT. Support Him. They and I are not fond with the things you say and do on this JungleWatch. Like how they mentioned you "Tai Respestu Na Taotao Si Tim!" But before we get more dirty about this. Timothy, Yes you put your name because you are not afraid. But you know you cause more division because of the outburst you do to remove the Archbishop. You and others are out to remove him but I am part of the others that are not neo that know what you do and will support him. You also said that Saint Pope John Paul II made a mistake making him a bishop and giving him the authority to govern the Archdiocese of Agana. Pope John Paul II made a good and honest choice. Who are you to say that the Pope chose wrong? It shows that your not very fond of Pope John XXIII? You show that because when he was Canonized you blasted him and the Office of the Popes.
ReplyDeleteI will pray for you Timothy. I Pray that the Church on Guam will heal. But how can it heal if Timothy doesn't have that in his mind and to keep exposing every detail in the Church. Some things are for internal reasons and how Timothy makes everything external. Timothy is out to destroy the Archbishop, Msgr. David, Fr. Adrian, Some Priests and All Catholics that believe that Timothy has nothing better to do but destroy this Archdiocese.
Very sad that it had to come to this. Let those who found Jesus Christ and themselves in the Neo way pray in their way and all who attend the Parish masses pray the way they pray. Stop the Division that Jungle Watch causes.The Neo Mass "Eucharist" is valid just as the mass said in every parish by a Ordained Priest!
If you are going to accuse me of stealing, a criminal act, do you think you can at least summon the Christian integrity to use your name?
DeleteYikes, Google Translate was working overtime for that doozy. Love the addition of Chamorro, too. Nice touch. To use the words of the oh-so-clever Jessica Blas, "... they are soooo repetitive... They keep hashing and rehashing the same soup, restating over and over again the same pseudo-arguments ad nauseum."
DeleteNice choice of words, Jessica. They fit in quite nicely here, don't you think, Don Quixote and Sancho Panza?
Hey dummy, the division was created by the archbishop. Again he only caters to the neo. He removes non neo priest from parishes. Soon even you and the Christian Mothers will be dancing on the altar.
DeleteYep they sure will be dancing to the tune of La Kukuracha!
DeleteThe use of "Timothy" by Anonymous (August 20, 2014 at 10:01 AM) leads me to believe that he/she is not being truthful since only the Kikos/Kikobots refer to Tim Rohr as "Timothy," when posting derisive comments about this blog and its Administrator on "Diana's" blog.
DeleteEven though 10:01 AM wrote "I am not a Neo follower," the contents and the tone of the comment indicate otherwise. But then again we've seen how very easily lies flow from Kikos/Kikobots, starting with those from the Three on the Hill.
Not only is this causing a division, but also a division among families! What is needed here for the the Archbishop to speak out and not send his emissaries to do his bidding. I am tired of hearing from Father Adrian. I want to hear from the Archbishop.
DeleteFor if this is not resolved, FAMILIES WILL BE FALL APART AND DIVISION WILL OCCUR.
So 10:01 - you really believe Tim is causing the division? Be informed buddy! The true division stems from the roots growing out of San Ramon Hill, namely Anthony, Adrian, David and Pius. So you think it's ok for these Catholics to abuse the liturgy and make up their own rules? To basically tell the Holy Father "we don't care about your authority"? Oh! Just leave it alone because the holier than thou Archbishop says it's ok? Wake up! This leadership needs to change! Our priests are being bullied and ousted. Is that ok with you? If you don't like what's in the Jungle, then stop coming here to play.
DeleteAnon at 10:01 am: These kinds of comments are getting old. When all else fails in your public releases, rant anonymously!
DeleteGrow some fortitude.
I understand your concern for the Bishop and the clergy who you claim Tim is out to destroy. Please know, that they have responsibilities to the people of God in our Archdiocese. It is OUR ARCHDIOCESE, not theirs. They were given the task to shepherd the flock of God's people here. I don't ever, and will never believe that Tim has ever wanted them to experience harm of any kind. He just wants them to report the TRUTH! Regardless of how he has obtained documents that quantify his claims, the fact remains is that they have not been forthcoming and they, perhaps, are afraid that what Tim has documented will reveal the truth! He has always provided them with the opportunity to come clean. This is all that we, the people, deserve from our CHURCH LEADERS! They will always be our church leaders as long as they are given their titles. It is VERY SAD that we have these church leaders who do not realize or do realize that their decisions have cause grave division in our land. I have always supported the church. I have always seen these priests as my gateway to salvation. After all, that is one of their responsibilities as an ORDAINED Man of God. I cannot call Tim as 'tai respetu'. He has only wanted to help bring our church back to what we all know it can be. God bless you! God bless us all!
DeleteI DON'T KNOW...ALL I READ WAS BLAH BLAH...BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH X 65.5 TIMES! A Total of 524 Words of nothing, empty echoing and stupidity from yet another NeoCancer!
DeleteKeep your trap shut, 10:01! WE NEED NOT HEAR FROM ZOMBIES HERE, TARUGU!
10:01,
DeleteYou sound like another nazi neo pretending to be someone else, but if I'm wrong then consider the the following.
It is my opinion that those who feel the same as you have not taken the time to study what is happening. You're at a party and all you see are two groups of people at each other's throats. You don't know what started the incident, but you are more upset that it is ruining the party. You start blaming both sides, but you focus on the one vocal guy who is accusing the other group of stealing from the host of the party. Forget that there are witnesses and video of them committing the act. Forget that they have a reputation for stealing wherever they go. The offenses against the host doesn't matter to you; you just want the party to continue so you can enjoy your little corner of the party.
Well, you can choose that path if you like, but best you just shut your mouth while the rest of us take care of the important stuff.
Sancho Panza here, reporting for duty sir.
DeleteSo, Anon 10:01 am, you would rather keep the lies secret for the good of the Church. Well, we've been there, done that with the sex abuse scandals. And how did that work out?
Are you an Ordained Priest? @10:01?? Just wondering.
Delete10:01 , have you forgotten that not too long ago, when the archbishop needed a soldier to fight for him against SNAP, it was Timothy? And it was Timothy who lead the charge on abortion? And yet, when Timothy exposes the wrongs and evils that the archbishop has committed, you turn on him? So, when Jesus went against the elders of the Jews for their hypocrisy, was that disrespectful? Jesus has to be the Most Disrespectful person ever if we follow your definition.
DeleteTo Anonymous 10:01 a.m.,
ReplyDeleteThe Archbishop has outright lied. That is a fact. A problem exists in the archdiocese created by the archbishop himself. I cannot blindly support a spiritual leader who tells outright lies. How can you?
Eileen Benavente-Blas
Adrian,
ReplyDeletestop lying. please. think before you say anything. let the bishop do the talking.
-your former classmate
hey!... 10:01 your famous now! LOL!
ReplyDeleteMarco??!!
10:01....Sooosmariajose'
ReplyDeletePOLO = Idioto!
ReplyDeleteJV Aguon a.k.a. J Elijah Aguon
ReplyDeleteFor future reference, now after attacking NonNeos, he has changed his name yet, again.
Haha to Jungle watch... Timmy causing the division and all those who are behind him.... haha... Pope Timmy Rohr. He knows everything. He is your savior... Haha...
ReplyDelete@2:31 PM...Can you at least have the common decency to elaborate in some kind of intellectual way and not ramble on like a child? It really gives the NEO community the validation everyone has observed, outright stupidity and immaturity. I would definitely be embarrassed if I were a NEO-CAT, aren't you? Taunting does not get you anywhere here, NEOCATS!
DeleteTimmy goes on the News, Radio, etc and he explains everything that is happening in the Catholic Church. No wonder why the Jehovah Witnesses made a prayer service at UOG during the bash against the Bishop... Haha Timmy. One day you will become even more smarter than the Authority given to the Pope. Timmy Rohr "Savior of the Jungle Souls in the Archdiocese of Agana." Division is happening because of this blog. Like what some Politicians says. This is more juicy then the Primary Election..
ReplyDeleteHaha Timmy bots.
Tim gives you details and documentation. And you give us nothing. Who do you think we will listen to?
DeleteYou remind me of my neighbor's dog. All bark and no bite. As Anon 4:13pm stated, Tim has offered details and documents. Show us your proof or just go away.
DeleteOh 2:36PM, I don't think that Tim's goal is to have as much authority as the Pope. I don't see him campaigning to be elected as a new leader in the Church... And you could have just said, "One day you will be smarter than the Pope" or "One day you will have as much authority as the Pope." Not sure if that's what you meant but your current statement doesn't make sense. I wonder if you could become "even more dumber" than you present here in your post. Anyway, I'll pray for you! Sound familiar, eh?!
DeleteNo 2-36 PM, the Jehovahs are praying that Apuron stays on no matter what because Apuron has single handily caused a massive division within the Catholic Church, and because of it, the Jehovahs have an easier time recruiting from us. They want him to stay on as ling as he can.
DeleteDivision Caused by the Timmybots?
ReplyDeletePrime example of copy cat Neo zombie brains
Delete"Kikobots" was long coined on this site for the followers of Kiko a.k.a. NeoCancers.
same with the copy cat petitions set out by the Neos. Think for yourselves, so that you do not come across as pathetic and brainless.
This is really a public service to all of us NonNeos that are here and STILL have OUR BRAINS in tact!
Tim is so Perfect because he has documents to put the Archbishop out of office.... Tim should be the Bishop. Everyone who believes in him in some matters are saved by him...
ReplyDeleteI rather believe Tim then to believe the Priest, Archbishop, Pope and Jesus...
ReplyDeleteHaha to 2:31... Tim telling the truth and people are standing by him....haha... Brother Tony. He lies about everything. He is your savior... Haha...
ReplyDeleteTarugu!
Tarugu? what does this word mean? I have but two words for you "uttamus" or "ta'tamudu". Take your pick!
DeleteNo thanks, I would NEVER pick anything from your kind of people! Tarugu!
DeleteVatican 2
ReplyDeleteSACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM 22
"3. Therefore no other person, even if he be a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority."
look guys or gals...you're all addicted to JW...just say it...because your posting things you cant say in front of real people....ya shame on you all! you dont have to be here...no one is forcing you....EXCEPT....YOU WANTING THE SEE THE TRUTH!
ReplyDeleteCOZ YOU CANT SEE IT ANYWHERE ELSE...NOT IN THE BISHOP...NOT IN ADRIAN, NOT IN THE OTHER PRIESTS IN THE HILL.....NOR IN UMATUNA SI YUUS....
Good luck!
Geesh, was there a close out sale on brain vacuums? To the imbeciles above, please note that you mock a man who's fighting for the Church. You dullards are blindly following the teachings of a layman! Think about it -- all your arguments are based on someone who isn't even ordained, and the ordained that you do follow also do the will of a layman! Where is the logic in that? You are stunningly pitiful, to an impressive degree.
ReplyDeleteBlah blah blah...stop using the thesaurus online, doubt you know what a "dullard" is...please...blah blah blah
Delete3:20, yes a simple use of "fool, airhead, or idiot" would have sufficed, but you need to go to the thesaurus to put your point across to sound smart.
DeleteYou...are...a...fool/an airheaded/idiotic...to an impressive degree. I will pray for you (as what the Neos always say, after they have just criticized someone).
To be clear, the dullards I refer to are Anons 2:31, 2:36, 2:38, 2:40, and 2:41. And I use big words when I'm avoiding the easy to reach curse words, I like to fling my insults at ridiculous schoolyard mockings with flair.
DeleteBut, yes, 6:07, fool/airhead/idiotic certainly describes the actions of the NeoCats who come to throw rocks, then run away like the cowards they are.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I read that Tim is the "man who's fighting for the Church, Kiko is the "layman" being referenced in Anon 3:20's comments and the "ordained" are the NCW priests.
DeleteAgain, I may be incorrect, but that's how I read it.
Jose M, thanks for clarifying my statement at 3:20p, you are correct in your assessment. It was late here in CA when I wrote it in disbelief at how silly the previous messages were getting.
DeleteNext time, I should probably just call my family on Guam and get it out of my system instead of taking to my keyboard...
@2:38. What the Archbishop is doing is causing the division. Please just admit one lie of the Archbishop. Did he lie to you about Wadeson? What kind of spin did he (I mean his spokespersons since he doesn't do his own talking) tell you on this. Just accept that lie. And then you can tell us just one lie by Tim. Just one.
ReplyDelete@2:41. It is your decision. But for us, we will believe Tim, the 5 brave priests, Msgr James, Fr. Paul, the Pope and most of all, our Lord Jesus Christ.
Looks like the kids are left unattended again.LOL Blaming Tim and JungleWatch for the division in our Church community is a prime example of illogical thinking and faulty reasoning. I suppose the media play a part too because they report the controversies in the Catholic community. Okay, I get it now. We won't be experiencing this turmoil if only people obeyed blindly, kept secrets, and not question those in authority. My bad. Mea culpa, mea culpa..Ma'asii, ma'asii.
ReplyDeleteYes, the university started today, these kids have a lot of downtime with the wifi there, so here they are spitting venom, instead of reading and studying their material. Kids, read your syllabi from your classes, so that you may make better use of your time than exercising your tirades over attacking NonNeos.
DeleteSeminarians are online too...tsk tsk, learn to write and deliver homilies and maybe, just maybe, we won't walk out of the Church laughing at you imbeciles!
Probably huddling in Zoltan's room! TSK,TSK!
Deletetypical kikobot behavior. You have no defense so just ridicule the messenger. No, Tim should not be bishop, pope or what have you. You cannot engage in a discussion, just stay out of the jungle. Hey Monsignor David, are these more of the "fruits" that you like to speak of? more like fruitcake!
ReplyDeleteA beautiful quote from a saint:
ReplyDelete"The floor of HELL is paved with the skulls of PRIESTS, with BISHOPS as the SIGN POST"
St. John Chrysostom
Ultimately that is the problem with the NEO's they want to have their cake and eat it too. they place their Lay-God Kiko above the Archbishop, above the Pope even and alongside God himself. If Kiko decided to leave the Catholic Church, like blind, deaf and mute sheep they will follow. It is terribly sad what is happening to our Church on Guam. AAA should look at the destruction he has caused and step aside so the healing can begin.
ReplyDeleteThe members of the NCW will be lost without their community, music, dancing, agape, scrutiny, convivience, their sabbath, and the guiding force of Pius and the Giuseppes. How many can actually break away now and live on their own? I doubt many will be able to do so. They have become dependent on one another like people who are addicted to whatever. The no longer have the backbone to stand on their own two feet.
Delete@ 3:20 I totally agree with you!! Tim stands up and fights for the church, yet the neos still choose to listen to kiko.
ReplyDeleteAs I said before, these explanations are not for us. They know we are too intelligent to fall for these spins. These are for those who just need to hear an explanation no matter how ridiculous the explanation is. "The Archbishop had and still has every intention to meeting with the 5 priests." So, this JW has it all wrong.
ReplyDeleteRemember, guys, we still have to hear a rebuttal from the Archbishop re the expose of Joe Rivera and company. Until I hear a rebuttal, be a spin or not, the Archbishop lied on the reason(s) for removing Msgr James. Yes, a rebuttal, even a spin will do. I will give him the benefit of the doubt if he can think of a spin on that one. That seems to be a hole he can't get out of. Archbishop you have given non-explanation to a lot of things. Fr. Paul, Wadeson, Msgr James, letter of invitation from Cardinal Tagle, closure of the museum, removal of 3 Filipino priests, official and on record U Matuna, RMS, position of Pius in Guam.
10:01 so immature. Grow up and face reality. U have nothing to say but blame Tim. Stop the nonsense.
ReplyDelete5:16, Would love to hear the rebuttal, but I am almost certain you will walk away, after hearing it saying, "What the ****!!!" As all the NonNeos groaned, unanimously, at fr. Adrian's release to the media about the Archbishop's answer to the letter from the 5 Brave Priests.
ReplyDeleteWhat they don't understand is that just because we don't all post on pdn, kuam, pnc or facebook on how we feel and what we know about these lunatics, that we are okay with their abuses. We are here, we are listening and we are angry!
Now Apuron has resorted to using honorable priests to support his lies! Two of them fellow Capuchins, at that. He must have been damned surprised to find out that not only did they object but they also objected publicly with their signatures (not just initials) clear enough for all to see.
ReplyDeleteHow can Apuron now face any priest, especially his fellow Capuchin priests?
Just as important, what are the other honorable priests (diocesan and Capuchins) going
to do about this?
It has been said: "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing."
Just a quick note. Apuron ceased to be a capuchin when he was made bishop. I will explain later.
DeleteIsn't it when he became a Bishop he no longer subjects himself to the rules of the Capuchin Order, but is still considered a brother that is why he still carries the OFM?
DeletePlease also explain to us why the Archbishop continues to wear the capuchin robes at times.
Deleteif canon 705 applies to archbishop apuron, then he is still a capuchin, although google tells me that that canon went into effect only after 1983. so, that's just my ordinary layman's understanding of it.
DeletePray unceasingly. Do good to those who persecute you. Be a joyful noise in the ears of the Savior and we continue to pray for the conversion of all sinners. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, we love you. Save souls!
ReplyDeleteThat we understand, Tim.
ReplyDeleteNow he needs to stop being NEO and be the leader that he should be!
What a pity that he has to rely on the brainwashing Neos for his spiritual health, goes to show how weak he is an Archbishop, to begin with! Shame on you!
Anonymous August 20, 2014 at 9:15 PM says: "Now he needs to stop being NEO and be the leader that he should be!"
DeleteJust a clarification. Tony Baloney is not a leader and never could be. He is not equipped with the means to be a true leader.
Yes he can be decisive, but his decisions are senseless. Without the ability to think critically, he will either make bad decisions, or he will always need to rely on those around him. But since he has surrounded himself without outright idiots there can be no good from those suggestions either.
Tony has no conviction necessary for a leader. A true leader makes a decision and then stands up and says here's what I've done and here is why I've done it. But our Baloney leader sends written missives, and then depends on silence and threats to keep people at bay. Should anyone dare question him, they are treated not with explanation, but assassination. If he believes in what he has done he should own up to it and speak justification, not condemnation.
Tony has no scruples. Real leaders are trusted and ethical individuals. He has been caught red-handed in lies so many times it is nearly laughable, yet tragic that he doesn't see how stupid his incessant lies makes him look. And as we have seen in the most recent lie about consulting with his priest councils, and having "gotten" their approval, he has now resorted to saying lies on other peoples behalf. His lies are so varied and constant that not even all his staff at the chancery can track them, so he contradicts himself whenever he speaks. The latest question in church circles is: "How can you tell when the Archbishop is lying? ... Whenever his lips move!"
to be continued
continuation ...
DeleteLeaders serve others, but Tony Baloney has shown us in his time as bishop that the office is merely about him, and not about the people he is supposed to be a servant to. Imagine a Capuchin, bound by the vow of poverty, driving an $80,000 car, owning multiple homes, and having a Swiss bank account to hide the vast fortunes stolen from the Neo Scrutinies and from diocese funds. In the meantime, schools and parishes struggle mightily to make ends meet. Some have to sacrifice air con because they cannot afford the power bill, yet our house on San Ramon Hill that he lives in is kept at a cool 68, even when he is gone, so his dog doesn't feel warm and sweaty.
Sorry, Anonymous August 20, 2014 at 9:15 PM. You are right that we deserve a real leader, but you are only kidding yourself if you think that Tony could ever be that leader we so desperately need.
I pray the Nuncio will eventually see the same thing. He has got to know that Tony is a scandal to the Church, and that he has started to show dangerous signs of mental instability. Nothing good will come of waiting to see if Tony will change. One person cannot change the will of a second person without the second person wanting to make that change. After the Nuncio's visit, Tony immediately declared war on the Nuncio and war on Guam by blowing up the bridge called Monsignor James.
For 20 years Monsignor James was a trusted and sound adviser to the Archbishop. But then something happened. Again a July visit by Giuseppi, in 2011. His order then was to get the title to the seminary transferred out of the Archdiocese and to the organization he was fully in control of. He, his wife, and an East Coast kiko priest knew once the title was in their control they would always have that gem in their back pocket. They must have paid a dear price to Tony to get him to go along with such a dastardly deed. Over the extreme objections of his own legal counsel, not David JCD, Tony confidently strode into a September meeting with his trusted advisers thinking that all would be fine with them. Alas, Monsignor James, Sr Stephen Torres, Richard Untalan, and Joe Rivera all saw the flaw that the legal counsel saw, and refused to allow the Archbishop to give away the keys to the $75 Million castle. Tony fumes to himself, “Well, if they cannot be trusted to do whatever I have forced upon them, I will find other trusted advisers who will know the meaning of obedience!”
At that point the whole Archdiocese started on a rapid spiral downward, with Tony quickly retrenching to his two most kiko trusted goons, Adrian and David the JCD.
You can blame Giuseppi or Fr Piss, OCD, but the real problem is our bishop who has surrendered to the evil one.
Simply stated - we need and we deserve a new leader. One who is not controlled by the neo, but loyal to Rome and Pope Francis.
that they lie does not surprise me, that they feel no shame does...
ReplyDeleteThe neos will never admit to being wrong. They never refute their idea that the cathechist are infallible. They invoke the holy spirit with a chant and from there what is said is inspired by God.
ReplyDeleteI'm just passing through. I don't think I've ever seen so much venom, bile and outright character assassination in my life. I doubt whether this post will be posted as it seems a very one sided conversation to say the least.. BUT if you are just big enough to post it.... Get over yourselves, get a life and start acting like the Christians you profess to be...
ReplyDeleteGotta love these idiots who walk into your house and tell you how to arrange your furniture. You are walking into a 30 year old war waged by this bishop on his people. The people are now only standing up. So keep right on walking.
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