By Tim Rohr

Many Christians, and especially Catholics, are unaware of what this article demonstrates. Most of us are caught up in the media narrative that is focusing only on the modern atrocities perpetrated by both sides.

And because there is the name "Israel," we semi-consciously are equating the modern state of Israel to the Israel of the Bible. This article demonstrates why we, as Christians, cannot do this. I'd encourage you to read it carefully. 

AGAINST CATHOLIC ZIONISM

"For orthodox Christians, in no way can the establishment of a modern State of Israel be confused with the fulfillment of the promises given to Abraham because Jesus is the true fulfillment of those promises. To say otherwise would be akin to heresy, the denial of a doctrine. It would deny Jesus fulfilled the Law [Torah] and the Prophets. As fulfillment of the Law and Prophets, we speak of Israel being reconstituted and not of Israel being replaced in supersessionism."

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THE TEMPLE HAS ALREADY BEEN REBUILT

By Tim Rohr

Well, it's nice to have The Diana back. 

We Jungle dwellers will always be grateful to The Diana for helping views of this blog explode into the "meeelions and meeelions" (some will understand) just when we needed the attention of the world on what was going on here in Guam during those apocalyptic years which saw the gotterdamerung of the Emperor with No Clothes. 

(Sorry for being so cryptic, but longtime readers will understand. For newer readers - catch up at ORCHESTRATED.)

My recent little post, "So there are two chosen peoples?" which I wrote in response to The Diana's "I stand with Israel" has already had triple the traffic in half the time as any other recent post, and the traffic isn't a result of my brilliant writing but because of the attention The Diana brought to it when "she" (we don't know who or what "The Diana is) chose to "Correct the Jungle."

So that's nice. 

But to the matter at hand. 

In The Diana's "Correction,", The Diana, apparently unable to dismantle my position, opts for creating a new target in order to have something other than her foot to shoot at. 

Quoting Catholic apologist, Jimmy Akin, The Diana maintains: "The Church rejects the idea that the covenant with Israel has been nullified or revoked." 

The Diana goes on to quote then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (Benedict XVI): "God has not, then, retracted his word that Israel is the chosen people? No, because he is faithful."

In my post, I did not claim that God's covenant with Israel had been nullified or revoked, as The Diana tries to imply. What I wrote was:

"...the TRUE TEACHING OF CATHOLICISM (is) that Jesus Christ is the MESSIAH prophesied throughout the Old Testament and that THE CHURCH is the 'New Israel'."

In other words, Catholicism holds that the Church Christ left us in the the persons of the Apostles with Peter as the head, is not the nullification, revocation, or replacement of God's Covenant with Israel (there is no need to label it "Old"), but the FULFILLMENT of said Covenant. 

In fact, The Diana, in continuing the quote from Cardinal Ratzinger, supports the point:

Of course, we can see that Israel still has some way to go. As Christians, we believe that they will in the end be together with us in Christ. But they are not simply done with and left out of God's plans; rather they still stand within the faithful covenant of God. (Emphases added)

Yes, "we believe that they will in the end be together with us in Christ." 

Zionists (including, apparently, The Diana) believe that the Jews must return to the physical/geographical/biblically historical Israel and rebuild the Temple before the Messiah (for the Jewish Zionists) will come at last, and (for the Christian Zionists) will come again. 

However, the Temple has already been rebuilt: 

“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up”  (Jn. 2:19). 

And now it is the task of all Christians to bring the whole world into it.

As a P.S., and as long as The Diana is quoting popes (or at least a future pope), there is this from Pius X who spoke directly with the founder of Jewish Zionism, Theodore Herzl, upon Herzl's seeking the pope's approval for the return of the Jews to the biblical Holy Land:

‘We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem — but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jewish people.’" - SOURCE

Also, you may want to read Theodore Herzl's own account of his meeting with Pius X (here).

ZIONISM: THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM

By Tim Rohr

I don't know enough yet to comment much about this, but the more I study and understand, the more I am convinced that the heresy of Christian Zionism is "the elephant in the room" in everything relative to Israel vs its neighbors since 1948. 

I previously posted a short course on the matter here.

Meanwhile, though, I have begun to question whether Kiko and his clan are Zionists. 

Per Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Kiko's "religion" is a "Jewish-Protestant heresy," but is Kiko-ism Zionist?

In 2012, a certain Rabbi David Rosen gave an address at one of Kiko's seminaries in Boston. In his talk, Rosen extolled Zionism and went on to say:

It is here that the role of educational and formation structures is so important and where the work of the movements, in particular the Neocatechumenal Way, has become so critical. As one of the most powerful Catholic movements...

Rosen bolsters his argument for the Catholic support of Jewish Zionism with several references to the words and actions of recent popes. 

However, probably due to his audience at the time (Kiko's), Rosen conveniently leaves out a devastating commentary by then-Pope Benedict XVI.

I'll probably come back to this - given its prominence on the world stage. But for now, feel free to educate yourselves...as I educate my own self.

Note: While preparing to publish this post, I received a message from a knowledgeable confrere re Kiko's history. It was this:

Kiko is from a converted Jewish family, that never abandoned their original beliefs. Conversos.

That could explain a lot.

 

MUST LISTENS...

By Tim Rohr

This is an angle, or rather a "deep dive," into the root of the terror in the Middle-East that you are not going to hear about from any major media source, regardless of which side they're on. 

It's not just Jews vs Muslims - as the pop media would have us believe. It's actually a monstrous Christian Heresy vs both Jews AND Muslims, if not the whole world. 

The following series of two talks lays out clearly the history of Christian Zionism, a "theology" which found its full force in American politics and has wrought not just the current murderous mess in the Middle-East, but the murderous mess of decades past and decades to come. 

Christian Zionism part 1: Tracing the Lines of a Warmongering Heresy

Christian Zionism part 2: Why Christian Zionism Is a Problem

Articles for further reading:

Christian Zionism

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine