Showing posts with label A Neocatechumenal Way Experience. Show all posts
Showing posts with label A Neocatechumenal Way Experience. Show all posts

Sunday, August 6, 2023

I JUST LEFT THE WAY

 AnonymousAugust 5, 2023 at 11:24 AM

I just left the way. It’s like having withdrawals with sugar etc. especially when it made me feel like I am useless or made me guilty of not attending anymore. Last experience is at traditio. Regarding tithes it is not true that they help the ‘poor’ of the community. We experienced that first hand ourselves when it was our time who needed help. They ‘had’ the money we needed some help that time (health issues) but rather our responsibles and all of them didn’t extend help in any kind. I am not speaking out of bitterness but if they were genuine and really kind they will help out it any way. Especially if they have considered us a real brother (as to what they have said) that we are brothers (families tend to lend a hand and help in any ways including prayer) but they didn’t. This is where I had a wake up call that NO ONE is going to help us but OURSELVES. But somehow I have sadness coz they said that these tithes will be use for flowers and other needs and also to help whoever is in need and others to share it to those OUTSIDE but (us who were ‘walking with them’ we didn’t get that help. So when we left (my family) they said they prayed for us and it was the devil telling us not to come etc whatsoever. That we need the NCW community in our lives etc. But you know what? It’s so funny that we now have a better life (in all aspects and financially too) we are not poor anymore as we were when walking with them. And I thank God we were out. (Been out for almost 2yrs now) I also want to add, that we were able to fix our lives especially financially when we left the ‘way’ we came to a point that we have to attend almost everyday like 4-5x a week for fee hrs or some almost full days. Now we are in a much happier place we give what we can give help those in need with all our heart with no reservations etc that’s how it should be. Rather than saying all these hearsays like we give to the poor or help brothers in need but really they just keep it to themselves (though until today I wonder where it still goes) but definitely not to the poor brothers or the brothers ‘in need’ LOL. (By the way our responsibles whenever we have a convivence booked SUITE HOTEL room :) charged from tithes or from other brothers. And (when we needed help) real help we were turned down even if they just collected a tithe!

Also another thing I noticed is when there are brothers who left the way or gets cut out from
The step they tend not to speak or INCLUDE them anymore (like for gatherings like bdays etc) which I find weird. Coz what I fee as a person like its still okay to invite those who were cut out etc as if the relationship has been cut out completely

And they said coz we are walkng on our own to God etc

But isn’t it being kind is part of walking our way to heaven?

Sometimes it’s so confusing too

But one thing is for sure they do have the cult symptoms and is really manipulative

Took us 2 yrs to fix ourlives and glad we are out now. They even told us ‘what are we teaching our children without them? That what is the shield of the children without them? Etc as if we are bad parents. We are still catholic and ill go to my regular parish but definitely not the way. So if you are reading this and you need to be out don’t be guilty that you are leaving you are doing yourself a favor. and as i told above, there will be ‘withdrawals’ where u feel u need it etc that you are wrong etc but be strong fight it. It’s like coming out of a toxic relationship

You can do it too.

Sorry I said a lot I have more to say buy this is the main one

Wednesday, April 13, 2022

KANDIT NEWS FOR THE SECOND TIME IN TWO WEEKS SHADE LIGHT ON THE NEOS.

 Posted by frenchie



Last week and in the second time in as many weeks Troy Torres, the founder of the Kandit News Group, shade more lights on the NCW and how they generated a fake news regarding him and other people he knew.

You can read the whole articleHere

Warning: the content of the article can be shocking at times, proceed with caution

 

After revealing many lurid details about our political scene, and certain actors at one of the largest bank on Guam. Troy ends his expose by also shading light on how the Neos attacked people they considered as a threat to their temporary hegemony.

In particular he talked about the attacks of the Neos on the founder of this website: Tim Rohr

by trying to destroy his family, in vicious and slanderous ways
 

Monday, June 5, 2017

NEOCATECHUMENAL WAY HIDING SEXUAL ABUSES IN PERÚ.

Posted by LaPaz, Jungle Watch Correspondent from Spain. 

I feel very sorry because somehow this means adding more pain over victims, who already had suffered enough. I assure this is to vomit endless. 

This is a clear example of double vitimization of sexual abuses within the Neocatechumenal Way.
This case shows how the Neocatechumenal Way is a perfect place for sexual predators.

Tuesday, December 27, 2016

A MISERABLE GOODBYE

Posted by LaPaz, Jungle Watch Correspondent from Spain.

One of the biggest mistakes made by many cardinals and bishops in valuing the NCW charism is to be dazzled by its special effects. in which Kiko Argüello and his black labeled catechists are truly masters.

As my dear Paul Lennon and other Legionaries of Christ have pointed out several times, although each Catholic person is precisely called by God to see further than just appearances, imitating Jesus, who never judged anybody by only the external, Marcial Maciel played with the human ease to conform to what we feel. 

Thus Maciel deceived even John Paul II, the saint. Rome was flashed by the high numbers and Maciel's premise: the most expensive, the better.  The so called "Millionaires of Christ" were like the hen of the golden eggs. Every compulsive liar knows the effect of the "noble lie", in religion translated to "pious fiction". Shaped by Plato, the noble lie still stays attached to human nature. 

Wednesday, December 14, 2016

LEAVING THE NEOCATECHUMENAL WAY TO STAY CLOSE TO THE LAST ONES

Posted by LaPaz, Jungle Watch Correspondant from Spain.

Dear friends of Jungle Watch:

I apologize for my absence during these last weeks. Although I could not writte due to several matters, I have stayed reading every day...It is quite important for us, former members of the Way and people who have a critical view about it, to look at Guam. You are an example for many people around the world. 


Today I would like to share with you the last testimony published originally in Neocatecumenali's blog (written in Italian, here) and also translated for Spanish speakers in Cruxsancta (here). This is the great opportunity we have with internet: we can share thoughts, feelings and experiences about the same problems that concern us.

Tuesday, October 4, 2016

BRAVO FOR LAY PEOPLE AGAINST NEOCATECHUMENAL TOTALITARIANISM!

Posted by LaPaz, Jungle Watch Correspondent from Spain.

Last news from El Callao, Perú, where lay catholic people are fed up with their neocatechumenal Bishop, Mons. Del Palacio, because he treats with closing all non neocatechumenal parishes.



"Callao necesita pastor" (Callao needs a Sheperd) has uploaded a video in Facebook (I am not able to link it directly here, please go to
https://www.facebook.com/callaonecesitapastor/videos/vb.913185662083111/956078631127147/?type=2&theater ) where some of them are in front of -I think- Mons. Del Palacio's office asking Pope Francis to rebuild Callao Church with banners and shouting "no more extorted priests", "stop threatening" and similar.

Terrible.

Thursday, September 22, 2016

IN THE PHILIPPINES TOO

Posted by Chuck White
Faithful Catholics in the Philippines experience the same problems with "the Way" that we have in Guam. A man from there shared his heartbreaking story with me the other day...Read more.

Saturday, September 17, 2016

CARMEN HERNANDEZ: HER UNORTODOX LESSONS ON SIN AND PENANCE FOR NEOCATECHUMENALS.

Posted by LaPaz, Jungle Watch Correspondent from Spain.

It is an impossible task to find a bishop who, honestly, had read the called "Mamotretos" where neocatechumenal ideology is contained. Bishops use to know NCW by their external visual fruits, properly seasoned by numbers to express the marvel amount of them (Kiko is the King of Cuantity, the Lord of the Meeeellions).

If bishops could read by themselves those mamotretos, maybe they could iluminate us. Meanwhile, we need to find different ways to contrast what the NCW actually preaches with what does the catholic Churc actually teach. Please, our eminences, read, compare and choose by your own. The NCW boasts you, bishops, have the last word to say.

Here I bring a clarifying article to learn both, very helpful because offers the literal words of Carmen and Kiko from those original mamotretes. It is a long article, maybe to read in some parts. I hope some Guam neocatechumenals could read it to check if their faith fits with catholic Church faith.


Neocatechumenals, Sense of Sin and Confession


"Let’s look closely at Carmen Hernández’s preaching on Penance. (The quotes are from the Orientations for the Catechist Teams published in Madrid in 1972.) 

What I will say it is not a speech for the people, but a sketch that may serve as an inspiration to face the innumerable problems that may arise when dealing with the people. It will prevent complications, since the questionary on Penance may cause many discussions with the people.

Carmen’s starting sentence takes for granted that her public will feel flattered for the confidence shown: Let’s feel at home, initiated to the secrets of Neocathecumenate. Listeners are already separated and distinguished from the vile populace, who doesn’t have the right to know everything. The same sentence has also a didactic goal: It suggests to the future “teachers”—the catechists—how to work.

We don’t say anything about all this things to the people: We simply rethink the communitarian value of sin, its social nature, the power of the Church, etc.

Why this secret? Because she’s aware of the fact that the doctrine she teaches is contrary to everything the Catholic Church ever taught and Catholics generally know. Secret in Neocatechumenal preaching is due to the awareness of its initiators to preach a doctrine that is not Catholic.

There was quite only a mortal sin for the primitive Church: apostasy, that is, the rejection of the Way or the escape from it, because people, when they are walking through the Way, are weak and fall, but they won’t abandon the Way. [...] That’s why the primitive Church didn’t demand self-examination at the end of the day—it was introduced by the Jesuits only later—but in the morning, when the believer awakes, because to convert is to stand before God when you start walking.

(Every reflection on the behavior of believers and their responsibleness is avoided: That means that no accent is stressed on responsibility.)

Note that the Christians of the primitive Church risked to die in the arena if they didn’t surrendered to apostasy. Therefore, it is natural that this was their great trial, their great temptation: That to become apostates. This was their greatest risk, greater than any other sin: Whence the importance of the problem. But this doesn’t mean that the Christians in the catacombs consideration—for example—adultery a light sin.

Carmen asserts that the primitive Church had a conception of the sin completely different from the modern one, therefore the conception of the Sacrament of Penance was different, too...

We must explain that, after Constantine, the Church turned into the Church of the mass, losing the sense of community. There’s not a community walking in a process of constant conversion under the impulse of the Holy Spirit anymore. People who individually commit a sin, individually are absolved and then receive Communion. But we don’t see the conversion of a whole community that recognizes itself sinner.”

Then, she draws an opposition between two Churches: The sacramental (before Constantine) and the juridical one (after Constantine), that, institutionalizing itself, becomes juridic and starts considering sin a violation of low that requires a legal punishment.

Do you know anything more false than that? Even if a certain juridical attitude pervaded the past century, we’re far away from this conception of sin that—as the Church always taught us—means primarily to oppose to God, to walk away from His project over us and cause mainly our ruin, besides the social implications it has. On the contrary, according to Carmen sin always has only a communitarian value.

That’s why the primitive Church didn’t demand self-examination at the end of the day—it was introduced by the Jesuits only later—but in the morning, when the believer awakes, because to convert is to stand before God when you start walking.

It’s blatantly evident that, eliminating self-examination at the end of the day you eliminate the sense of responsibility and the examination of what you have concretely done—for good or for bad—, standing before the Lord and accepting your own reality.

At the beginning of the day you can make good propositions while the examination has to do with your actual situation, not to leave it as it is, but to try to change it with the help of the Sanctifying Grace, that has no right of citizenship in the NCW.

People ask if it is possible to offend only God. We pose this question because we have a vertical, individualistic conception of sin: We are those who offend, particularly God, as if sin were an offense to God, or we could steal God’s Glory. Let’s suppose that we can harm God. The first thing we must consider is that it’s not possible to harm God: He cannot be offended stealing His Glory to Him: That would mean that He is vulnerable, so that He wouldn’t be really God.

As an unqualified theologist, Carmen doesn’t even distinguish God’s intrinsic Glory—that is invulnerable, infinite and immutable—from God’s extrinsic Glory—that can be greater or lesser, and can be diminished by human sins. That’s why Saint Ignatius chose for the Society of Jesus the motto “Ad maiorem gloriam Dei”, stating that it must fight for the “Greater glory of God”. 

After all, we can notice how the sin somehow bans from the realities of individual and collective history the “Presence” of the Lord; it is sufficient to observe the void and the many human and social tragedies in a world where the sense of sin is lost. Sadly, the sense of sin as an individual responsibility was lost because many people failed to answer God’s constant call to conversion and to the project He has for anybody of us. 


This doesn’t exclude a communitarian and social context nor our responsibility towards our neighbor, provided that all is based on the ME-and-YOU relationship that all creatures have with their Lord; this relationship may enrich itself in a communitarian context (the word ek-klesía designates the Church of those who gather in community in the Lord) so that it may act then in the interpersonal relations and in the individual and collective choices, but—first of all—it is a full, profound, individual relationship, not a symbiotic union with the group. 

The Lord created and wants to establish a relationship with individuals, not with puppets. The Sacred Heart of Jesus is a living heart who rejoices for the good deeds we do and is saddened by the sins. In this sense, sin is an offense, certainly it is! Besides offending the Supreme Good, it shatters the communion between man and God, so—without turns of phrase—it also offends human dignity since man is the temple of the living God. It’s a double offense, then. Of course, sin also has a social repercussion, but this is another level that doesn’t replaces but adds itself to the individual one.


The very same Jesus, in the Gospel, says: “There will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner repenting than over ninety-nine upright people who have no need of repentance.” Therefore, it there will be rejoicing, there will also be sadness if we don’t walk on the right path. We should consider then the fact that every sin is a nail knocked into the Cross of Jesus, where the Saviour didn’t rejoice, but cried in agony, and suffered because of so much indifference. How couldn’t He suffer still because of the sins we still commit?

Let’s remember Saint Francis’ cry through the forest of La Verna: “Love isn’t loved.” He shouted at the top of his voice, and probably he suffered, too, after having experienced that love in his life.



Evolution of the forms of the Sacrament


Through the centuries, the celebration of the Sacrament of Penance has developed in different forms, but it has always kept the same basic structure: it necessarily entails not only the action of the minister – only a Bishop or priest, who judges and absolves, tends and heals in the name of Christ – but also the actions of the penitent: contrition, confession and satisfaction.” [John Paul II’s Motu Proprio Misericordia Dei]


Note that the Pope affirms that an evolution of in the expressive forms of the celebration of the Sacrament has developed, but the Church “has always kept the same basic structure” of the Sacrament, that includes:

  1. The action of a minister who judges and absolves.
  2. The actions of the penitent, that include contrition, confession and satisfaction.


According to the Pope, the Church preserved this structure because nothing must change in it; instead, Carmen says that it is the conception that people has about the sacrament what has evolved, and that is quite different from what the Pope says.

It is exactly this evolutionary conception of faith, dogmas and sacraments that makes of Neocatechumenate a modernist heretical movement.



About Penance, it is known that Neocatechumenals essentially stress the communitarian, public confession of sins, rather than the confession given to a priest. Furthermore, in the communitarian (not sacramental) confession, that is done during the ‘Scrutinies’, it is the catechist, not the presbyter, who questions and gives spiritual guidance to the members of the Way. 

We saw that Carmen affirms that “sin has only a social dimension; therefore, repentance will also have to do with society.” According to her, it is not God who is offended, but the Community, therefore it is the Community that will forgive and absolve. This would not important, though, since “we have already been forgiven by Jesus.” According to the founders of the NCW, the real dimension of sin is the social one, never the individual one; furthermore, according to Kiko, man would be forced to sin: “his nature could never permit him to do the good. Every effort to emend himself would therefore be vain.” 


Not to speak about the radically pessimistic conception of the founders of the NCW about the ability of man to avoid evil and freely choose his own life; according to Kiko and Carmen, conversion consists just in the (public) acknowledgement of the faults committed and in the total trust in the salvific power of the Resurrected Christ, rather than in the repentance of having offended God and the proposition to emend ourselves, which actually is the fufillment of the Redemption operated by Christ.” 

As a consequence, it would be senseless to insist on Penance because sanctity is allegedly impossible. The influence of the Lutheran ‘fiducial faith’ is evident: The ‘works of Faith’ are not those who arise from the hearth redeemed by the Lord, to which the life of faith inside the Church gradually gives the same Grace it receives by the Sacraments, but those of people who “crede fortiter”—that is, who believes more intensely. In the case of the NCW, salvation is guaranteed by the affiliation to the Way, whose members remain inexorably sinners, without feeling nor living the responsibility of the ‘answer’ and the effort of the ‘transformation’, that is an effect of Redemption.


This is the way how Carmen—more evidently still—destroys the Sacrament of Penance:

With the Council of Trent and by the XVI to the XX century, all stands still. Confessionals appear, but this little houses are very recent. The need for confessionals arises when the form of private, medicinal and devotional confession introduced by the monks is generalized. ... It is Saint Charles Borromeus who places confessionals everywhere, specifying even the details of the grille. ... Now you will understand that many of the things Luther said were well founded.”


“But in Trent the essence, the efficacy is stressed, and the sacramental value of the sign is lost. As things stands, it’s all the same to receive communion with the bread or with the host that doesn’t seams bread anymore but a leaf of paper; it’s all the same that just one instead of everybody drinks the wine, since essentially the sacrament is performed.”

“Therefore, the efficacy of the sacrament of Penance to forgive sins ant the absolution are absolutized. The confession acquires a magical meaning so that the absolution alone is sufficient to forgive sins. The absolution forgives your sins and you don’t worry anymore.”


“That’s how we lived confession: Stressing the absolute efficacy of the sacrament we lose sight of the sacramental value that makes us apt to receive forgiveness, which remains in the background while the foreground is occupied by the simple confession of sins and by the absolution. Confession turns into something magical or private: This is still true today. We inherited a legalist conception of sin that doesn’t care about our inner attitude: It only cares about the external and detailed confession of every kind of sins. It’s an individualistic, completely ‘private’ vision of sin. The Church disappears since it is one man who forgives your sins. Now you can understand why this practice is crumbling. That is why we call it ‘confession’. Nobody mentions the penitential or the sacramental process. The practice of confession is crumbling because today humankind is walking towards social and communitarian—rather than legalistic and individualistic—visions of sin. That’s why people feels free to receive communion without confession.”


“Many would prefer general absolutions to personal confession because the latter is obnoxious. … You have not to believe that this would be something new, because Pious XII already accepted to give general absolutions, during the war, to all the soldiers. The greatest liturgists say it’s good that this custom didn’t spread because it would have completely destroyed Penance, turning it in something magical. The value of the rite lays not in absolution—since we are already forgiven in Jesus Christ—but in making the believer able to receive the forgiveness, which is what the NCW wants and is the penitential process of the Primitive Church.

You feel forgiven in the deepness of your heart when you feel in communion with your brothers. That’s why the hug of peace is important … What we do is to recover step by step these values of the sacrament of Penance, although we still do the private confession that is still in use.”

You‘re a slave of Evil: You’re a slave of the Devil and obey to his concupiscence and his orders.”


“This is the reality of man: He wants to do good, but he can’t. Marxism would say that he can’t because he’s alienated by the structures … Psychology … because of his complexes. That doesn’t convince me. Christianity says another thing: God revealed the reality of man in this way: MAN CANNOT DO GOOD BECAUSE HE SEPARATED HIMSELF FROM GOD, BECAUSE HE SINNED AND REMAINED RADICALLY IMPOTENT AND INCAPABLE, AT THE MERCY OF THE DEMONS. HE TURNED INTO A SLAVE OF THE DEVIL. THE DEVIL IS HIS LORD. (That’s why demanding suggestions and sermons are useless. Man cannot do good.)”


“It’s totally useless to tell the people that they must love. Nobody can love anybody … Who can lose his life for his enemy? … It’s absurd. And who’s responsible for this? Nobody. That’s why words are useless. It’s useless to say: ‘Sacrifice yourselves.’ If somebody tries to do it, he turns into a pharisee, because he will do it for his personal satisfaction.[Sometimes that could be true, but these are degenerations and the Church teaches how to avoid them. Though, Carmen absolutize them in order to justify her devious teachings.]

One observes himself and realize to be a lazy person who considers a burden even to attend Mass on Sunday and who feel sad noticing he’s unable to change. At least he will try to do some good deed in order to deserve Paradise. He cannot do more because he’s deeply corrupted. He’s a carnal creature, he cannot avoid to steal, quarrel, be jealous, envy, etc. He cannot do otherwise and he’s not guilty of it.”

“The Spirit that Jesus will send is not a Spirit of good deeds and loyalty to the dead Christ.” [She doesn’t recognize that the good deeds are the “works of faith” that spring from a Redeemed heart, as is explained below.]

“Those who sin live in death. Not because they’re evil, because they wanna do evil. Natural religiousness believes that life is a test, that you may sin or not. That’s false: Man sins because he can’t do otherwise, because he’s a slave of sin.

These statements destroy the true sense of sin in those who accept them. It’s incredible to think that such individuals lurk into the Church and that the Hierarchy doesn’t stop them.

Neocatechumenals use to say—in order to claim their trustworthiness and to defend themselves from the accuses of heresy—that “Kiko didn’t invent anything, he just took those elements of the millenary history of the Church that he considered to be the best, as every religious order does, after all.” 


That’s false: Apart from the fact that he doesn’t belong to a religious order, Kiko didn’t take what the millenary history of the Church offered to him: Indeed, he rewrote it, harshly criticizing it. (This can be easily understood by reading the “Orientations”, that are often quoted, or the catechesis.)

Neocatechumenals say that the sacrament of Penance was instituted only in the XIII century, which is truth, but doesn’t justify destructive criticisms, because it is rooted in the institution of the Church, in the faculty of “tying and untying” established by the Lord, in the “diakonia of Reconciliation” that Saint Paul mentions in 2 Cor 5:17-21); furthermore, they state that the sacrament of Penance is only a reconciliation with the Church, so that no absolution would be needed: It would be sufficient for the believers to feel in peace and in communion with their brothers; the sacramental confession would be then doomed, since it is the community that absolves


This is the true meaning of the “sign of peace” and the “foot washing” they celebrate on Holy Thursday, without a priest! Indeed, the Sacrament operates the reconciliation with God (the reconciliation with the others and the events it’s the consequence); that is made possible by the priests who acts in persona Christi.

These are the teachings of the Church.

Actually, Kiko narrates the history of Penance since a particular moment then firmly repudiates private confession, even mocking it and defining the confessionals with irony “wooden logs”. “Don’t laugh because this happened also to me, confessing every poppycock.” (He refers to venial sins.) “They reached the point where they confessed their sins just for their personal sanctification, which is still done today.” In the catechesis there’s a point in which Kiko makes simple people take the bait by saying: “… people think that even the confessional was invented by Jesus Christ.”


Confession as it is conceived is not good. Kiko says again: “When you confess your sins you come back home untroubled. Private confession marked us in this way. However, the Catechism of the Catholic Church lists the spiritual effects of confession saying that it confers peace, quietness of conscience and spiritual consolation. If the sinner didn’t offend God, contrition, personal pain, doesn’t have any sense at all.” 

“It‘s so curious the idea—that is still alive—that you have to confess before the Communion. That’s how we have lived Penance: for the efficacy of the sacrament!” 

“Actually, the Church is not really present: It’s just a man who forgives your sins.

Then, Kiko denies not only the purpose of the sacrament of Penance, but also the role of the ordained minister, that is conferred to him by the person of Christ. In the NCW past, present and future sins are forgiven from the beginning. However, this concept is not catholic.


Essentially, Kiko refuses private confession, devotional confession, spiritual direction and Penance as an medium of sanctification: According to him, these would be all nonsenses that have to be abandoned. It’s sufficient to receive this gratuitous forgiveness: “Don’t say anything about this to the people!”, it’s what he says and repeats when he talks about the selling of assets, that he puts as a condition to continue following the Way to the higher levels, in order to access Salvation. Kiko is aware to follow a wrong path, so he recommends not to mention to anybody these facts, “because you would arise a lot of troubles.”


One of the most frequent ways in which the NCW celebrates the ‘confession’ of sins and weaknesses is coram populo: It is a way to mark every step to a higher level and it’s unquestionably a mimicking of the true sacrament of Penance.

Starting from what we pointed out, we can undoubtedly observe that even a cheap psychologist respects the “times” of a patient to let him open his heart and his soul (let’s call it subconscious or that problematic, conscious part of mind). Everybody nurtures a great discretion when he must ‘bare’ himself: It is difficult to do it even when we are willing to put ourselves seriously heart by heart with the Lord.

Those execrable choral pleading of guilty seem a form of autoflagellation. Sometimes we may suspect that those who are more weak by a psychological point of you could even exaggerate their faults.

How can we reasonably think that this is not insane?

I still remember the hammering recommendations of the catechists before the individual confessions: “Be clear and synthetic, don’t waste time with chitter-chatter, confess your sins defining them exactly and don’t be uselessly wordy!” I still remember how do I felt void when I tried to approach the presbyter—after this reprimand—while the assembly sang out to cover my words, I still remember how paranoid was my dialog with the priest, that couldn’t be considered a real reconciliation with God and the brothers.


We couldn’t but recognize that what the catechists said was contrary to the teachings of the Church, first of all because confession is not a list of sins. To confess your sins, you have to scrutinize yourself first and be able to recognize what lies behind the recurrent error you commit. (I call it an ‘error’ rather than a sin in order to soften that somber atmosphere of guiltiness, but I don’t want to belittle responsibility.) Then, we should also look to the innermost depths of our soul with the eyes of God’s mercy: The Lord said “I didn’t came to condemn, but to set you free!” Obviously, our good will, the help of the Lord, prayer and Eucharist are also necessary. However, every confession is a further step towards the knowledge of our self in the light of the Word and the glance of the Lord.


Then, when we talk more extensively, we’re not “wordy”: We just pull out of our hearts the obstacles, the problems, the anguishes in a rational and conscious way. That’s exactly what helps us growing our faith and becoming better persons. Confession is not a self-accusation (do we remember who the Accuser is?), but the serene and conscious—though it is full of contrition for out sins—discernment of our inner reality that transforms our behavior and helps us finding the way to overcome our difficulties and faults, together with our good will, the suggestions we receive from the priest and the indispensable help of Grace.


Maybe we often forget—and the NCW won’t teach it to us—that confession is not just confessio vitae—that is, the identification of our difficulties and faults but also of the progresses we make with the help of Grace and of our life of faith, essentially the assessment of our toil and of the joy we experience being men and women who constantly follow a path—but it is also confessio laudi—the recognition of the marvels that God operates in our lives and the praise to Him—and confessio fidei—that is, the proclamation of our faith, our trust, our answer to the Lord.

The Church has never urged, promoted or permitted in any form of celebration the public confession or witness. (We don’t have any example of it even in the Church of the origins or—as somebody improperly call it—in the Primitive Church.)

When the Samaritan came back to her people after Jesus gratuitously healed her by Sicar’s well, she cries her experience of faith; however, she obtained her healing before, in a single instant, in her individual, ‘secret’ experience with Him.

To belittle, twist, dilute, falsity (that is, to use collaterally or even in substitution of the sacramental confession a mystagogy both of confession as a public witness of faith and as a group pedagogy for the assembly) is not ‘catholic’.

In any case, we’re dealing with different realities.

Neocatechumenal baptism is given by the community at the end of the Way, neocatechumenal eucharist is received by the community, the pardon of sins is given by the neocatechumenal community.

”¡NO HAY VIDA CRISTIANA SIN COMUNIDAD!” (THERE IS NO CHRISTIAN LIFE WITHOUT COMMUNITY!...OR NO COMMUNITY, NO FAITH)


Kiko may not eliminate the sacraments of the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church yet, even if he deems them “magical”, not to risk to be excluded from the Church itself. He may not eliminate them… by the moment. He says that the very same concept of Sacrament that the “Sunday morning Catholics” have is wrong: It is “magical”, and it will disappear. He thinks it’s just a matter of time: Sooner or later Sacraments and Dogmas will fall and yield to a new church.


Neocatechumenals consider individual confession merely as a formal procedure that the Pope forces them to accomplish, while the true forgiveness is obtained with the confession in front of the community.

Praxis defeats theory.
The psyche prevails on the spirit.

Neocatechumenals ‘feel’ they’re baptized, ‘feel’ forgiven, ‘feel’ in communion only through the community; communitarian events give them ‘feelings’ that need a perennial renovation, the exaltation and the ‘joy’ of the elected ones. It’s a religious ‘sentiment’ rather than a deep disposition of hearth, that is the ‘place’ of the ultimate decisions: Reason and will are divested of authority, used only when it is necessary to submit to the guidelines of the catechists and the rules of the NCW. It’s a very subtle relativism that cut itself out of the roots of Tradition".


Monday, September 5, 2016

ANOTHER IGNORED LETTER TO KIKO ARGUELLO FROM ANOTHER WRONG BISHOP

Posted by LaPaz, Jungle Watch Correspondent from Spain.


Today I bring a letter for Kiko Argüello writen in 1993 by the Archibishop of Cuenca, Ecuador. He was in charge from 1981 to 2000. His letter could have been writen yesterday, things remain the same...or even worse, because in Ecuador the Neocatechumenal Way has built a great empire where they "reign". Maybe Bishop Luna Tobar did not see it.

Neocatechumenals have the power, although many voices had tried to advice. Kiko and his Way have not change. They just do not listen. That is a bad symptom, isn't it?


Open letter to Kiko Arguello
founder of the "Neocatechumenal Communities"
by Fr. Luis Alberto Luna Tobar ocd, Archbishop of Cuenca, Ecuador

(http://servicioskoinonia.org/relat/035.htm)

"Beloved brother:

Monday, January 25, 2016

PADRE ABUSIVO

While I'd like to say that this is a Kiko-liturgy, I can't be sure. However, the particular icon on the front of the pulpit is the norm for churches where the neo-cult is present, and the large icons on the wall behind the altar appear to be as well. The comment on You Tube appear to indicate that this is a church in Brazil. Maybe this is why Edivaldo is the way he is.


Monday, October 26, 2015

WHEN I WAS EXPELLED FROM MY COMMUNITY

Many of us who have never experienced "the Way" do not understand why people just don't leave it when confronted with obvious heretical teaching, psychological brutality, violence to their family, financial extortion, mental slavery, blackmail, and so on. Perhaps this letter from someone who escaped will help. But as you will see, the wounds remain.

Excommunication literally means to be "X'd" out of
a community.
And just a note why so many bishops support this great evil. 1. They get a third of "trash bag" collection. 2. They are too lazy to raise their own vocations so Kiko provides them. 3. They are too lazy to do the hard work of evangelization themselves so they opt for a turn-key Kiko franchise. And there is one more: Satan does not waste time with the sheep. The shepherd is the prize. 

The following was originally written in another language and run through a translator so there may be some inconsistencies in the English.

When I was expelled from my community and the Church, I felt like a 
knife sliced me in half without anesthesia. I do remember that stance 
as my spiritual death. I have not been able to set foot in a church ever 
since. I tried but I can’t. In my life this has become the silence of God. 
In  the  worse  moments  of  my  life,  where  suffering  is  unbearable,  the 
hardest  thing  is  the  silence  that  remains  after  your  soul  has  been 
destroyed.  Those  who  have  experienced  dramatic  moments  such  as 
these,  know  that  what  is  always  left  is  silence.  This  is  perhaps  what 
best defines a traumatic shock too immense to be expressed with the 
sound  of  words.  The  silence  after  a  bomb  ...  Something  like  that  is 
what happened to me that day.

Thursday, October 15, 2015

RODRIGO: "THE NCW IS A SH**HOLE"


  1. And hopefully what is going on in other places will also resonate in Guam. Here's the thing with blogs and web pages such as Junglewatch, Cruxsancta or the italian blog neocatecumenali: the neocat secrecy is going to hell. I think I speak for Lapaz and for myself when I say that we are not seeking "justice" or "revenge", as we are regularily accused by neo zombies. We just want the truth exposed and hope that our bad experience in the ncw might be useful to others. That's all. That's why it's important to yell out loud all over the world that the ncw is a shithole, it's not a good place to find God and it's very likely that people will end up worse than when they got in this shithole in the first place.

    It's not a small thing what Tim, Chuck and the other bloggers worldwide are doing. If you google for info on the ncw nowadays, you will very likely find links almost on top to these pages, and that is great, because "normal" people will access us and see for themselves what's really cooking with this cult.

LAPAZ: "PLEASE DON'T LEAVE US ALONE!"

The Neocatechumenal Way is no ordinary "ecclesial community", folks. It's a horrifying machine that seduces people into its ugly web and then rapes and ruins people, turning them into psychological slaves for the walking dead like Pius the Putrid. 


LAPAZ (from Spain) shares the horror:


Jungle Watch is a reference web when someone wants to know more about the Way. "To know more" means, essentially, to know...When internet didn't exist, it was the real loneliness...if you were a victim as well as a friend or relative of somebody who had joined, there was nothing to make a contrast. You could never had known your were not mad, nor guilty, nor a bad person who deserved to live in the ostracism.
Jungle Watch, as Cruxsancta for Spanish users, are necessary places, virtual places, but at least a place for us...You can't imagine how helpful is to have a hand when you had become invisible despite you are crying loud, when you are in the middle of an assembly and nobody wants to hear and all faces look away.
The official Church is passing by and suddenly it will burst...At least we could say we were giving the advice.
People who write in Cruxsancta have calculated there are five person who leave the Way per each person who stays. If there are one million people in the Way, there are five million of knocked person...Even if only one of five is seriously damaged, there will be one million of destroyed lifes.
I agree with all of you, I think Guam might be David against Goliath. Please, don't leave us alone!


Tuesday, September 22, 2015

THAT'S WHY I LEFT THE WAY

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "A SCRUTINY SCREWING": 

Chuck's article is spot on! That's why I left the "way" because it wasn't the Catholic way. I was supposed to give everything up to the catechists, put the catechists opinion/views over my spouses, not pay attention to my kids and put the "way" first above all else, including the Catholic Church. After attending a retreat where the main catechist belittled, berated and yelled at a member, my mind and heart was made up - Catholic brothers and sisters DO NOT treat each other that way if they were following Jesus Christ. Talk about all of my spidey senses tingling! Ran far from them and have not regretted it since. I will admit that the mind control they spin on you, once you leave the way, was relentless. But with proper re-indoctrination into a non-neo parish, you will heal and return back to normal, putting Jesus first, not the neo-way catechists. 

Sunday, August 30, 2015

ARE YOU HAVING SEX?

“Therefore I tell you not to be afraid before this scrutiny, because we are sent here by Jesus Christ to help free you from your demons.” - Kiko Arguello

Monday, February 23, 2015

JUST HAVING SOME FUN. LOL.

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "FROM ANTOINE RAY GARRIDO TAJALLE aka MR. A. T.": 
Anon 1:55pm- Well said. Don't be afraid to disclose yourself. Tim, you must have a heavy heart to let God enter . Give GOD a little bit of your heart and you will feel the Holy Spirits lift you on high. Anyways are you CATHOLIC?  
THIS BLOG HAS SO MUCH RESENTMENT TOWARDS MEMBERS OF THE NEO'S IN WHICH WAS APPROVE FROM OUR POPE, WHAT'S THE REAL REASON TIM? NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION WE ALL INCLUDING YOU ARE PRAISING ONLY ONE GOD. SO STOP ALL THIS BLAH BLAH BLAH HERE. LIKE WHAT ANON SAID; POISON... 

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Wednesday, September 10, 2014

ISAIAS SAYS:


What B said is true, my community finished the Way two years ago after 32 years. I left after 22 years, i had enough of so much BS along the way. As itinerant catechists change, it was doubly difficult to just be Obedient, because they contradict each other in their scrutinies. Good job B. Hope to meet with you as i did stop at Reditio myself.

Tuesday, September 9, 2014

MY OWN MOTHER TELLS ME THAT I AM FOLLOWING THE DEVIL

b_____@___.com>
4:30 PM (3 hours ago)

to JungleWatch.in. 

Dear Tim, 

I don't really know how to start this email,  so I guess I will let you know who I am and how I happened upon your site.  My name is B___,  I'm 30 plus years old and I've been exposed to the neocatechumenal way from the age of 3 (when my mother joined). I attended my first catechesis at the age of 12 and "walked" in a "community" up to the step of redditio, with a few breaks along the way. I'm extremely happy to say that I no longer "walk", and haven't done for the last 2 years. It was through a wonderful friend with a beautiful, solid faith, and a great love for the Catholic Church, that I've been able to see, and know for certain the many wrongs that have been inflicted on me and many, many others. 

I'm sure,  by what you have written,  that you have an extensive knowledge of the psychological damage and the theological manipulation that is taking place in the communities and how expertly it is done.  It sickens me to realize,  looking back,  that my logic and reason where non existent and that I blindly and enthusiastically handed this over to the catechists. Me,  like so many others,  grew up in the neocatechumenal way,  not having a true understanding of what the church teaches and being robbed of thought and right judgment.  It saddens me too think that so many people in "the way" will never have the opportunity to see and feel the true beauty of the church and God's infinite love.

I feel truly blessed to have the support that I do,  and I thank you for the part that you are playing in my "rehabilitation". It makes me want to vomit when I read and listen to what is happening in Guam, and what makes it worse is that I know these people truly believe that they are doing the right thing,  that they are"chosen", and that everybody else is deceived by the devil. 

My own mother tells me that I am following the devil and that I'm destroying my children because I no longer go to the community. It doesn't matter that I go to Mass at least twice a week, pray with them daily and send them to catholic schools. In her eyes,  the neocatechumenal way is the only way. My mother is now at the step of the election,  which is the final step. My father doesn't "walk". Since I can remember,  my mother has blamed my father for everything that goes wrong in the family because he refuses to walk. She has often told him that she wishes that he would die,  that he is no good, that he is not a man and that she hates him. It's no wonder that I now feel so free being away from that sort of negativity.  

I could go on and on about the negative impact the neocatechumenal way has had on my life, but I don't think I would ever get this email sent,  and I think it's very important that I do. Many people who leave the neocatechumenal way dare not speak out because they are scared to,  I no longer wish to be fearful. 

Thank you again for bringing these things to light and for confirming many of my queries. 

May God bless you always. 
Kindest regards
B___