Tuesday, February 17, 2015

FROM ANTOINE RAY GARRIDO TAJALLE aka MR. A. T.

Antoine Ray Garrido Tajalle aka Mr. A.T. has left a new comment on your post "MY REPLY": 
Dear Anonymous at 8:38pm,
Dont be a coward, next time sign your name to your accusation. I probably know you because you obviously know that my automatic "signature" for my gmail account ends with the popular quote from Saint Pio, "PRAY, HOPE AND DONT WORRY". 
Sorry to burst your bubble but the comment above is not from me.  

While I have your attention let me speak directly to you and let you know how I feel about fake people like you.  
You think that you....wait I really hate to call you it but since its a regular thing in here......you think you non-neos are the only ones getting nasty looks? No, I began getting it, the first day word went around that I was in a community. 
You think you are the only one being shunned. No, I get shunned enough. Things and responsibilities in the church that i used to enjoy doing, I no longer get invitations to do this. 
Are you the only one feeling out of place or put in awkward moments when someone asks you, what community are you from? No, the first thing that ever got me bothered was a priest who asked me, "Oh your in the Neo? I dont see a difference." what the heck did he mean by that? 
Are you the only one being told that the Neo is THE WAY? No, as responsible of the community down here, I over heard a conversation between a lady and a member of my community, she went on saying, "Oh nevermind you only need the green catechism book I got it, its from Father Mike". I have so much respect for Father Mike, despite my differences in the past, but why is it so important to be from Father Mike. 
The NCW is not forced on anyone down here. I attended a catechism on my free will.
I agreed to continue walking on my own will. 
I would like to meet with you(Annonymous 8:38pm). I would like to meet with you so that I could apologize to you for anything that I have done to cause you to go ahead and back stab me like this. 
My closest friends, maybe even you, know that I have never not answered a question posed to me about the NCW. I have shared my honest opinion and personal experiences with each and everyone of you. This is why this hurts so much for me, for you to greet me with a sarcastic "Hello Mr. A.T." ........just fake....fake....fake...... 
You are probably a parishioner of San Dimas, dont worry, I have a recording of ministers and CCD Teachers and the coordinator, talking gossip of the NCW in the Church in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament. You will never find the community wasting time on talk about the parishioners. 
God Bless You! but please dont forget to send me an email if you forgot, it is antoineray@gmail.com, or come to my house, since you know me that well. We can talk more about this.  
DEAR TIM: I am not a coward and I do not appreciate the Anonymous Commenter at 8:38pm. For what it is worth, please post my comment. You can have all the fun you want with it. 

Dear Antoine, 

While I think that your reply is a sad commentary on the divisive legacy of one Anthony S. Apuron, I am delighted to finally find ONE member of the Neocatechumenal Way who will actually use a real name and is agreeable to answering questions: 
"know that I have never not answered a question posed to me about the NCW.
Thus, I look forward to your reply to the following.

In the celebration of the Eucharist in the neocatechumenal communities:
  1. Does the celebrant delay his own communion until after he has distributed the sacred species to all the communicants?
  2. Do the communicants delay consumption of the sacred host until the sacred host has been distributed to all the communicants?
  3. Do the communicants after standing to receive the sacred host then sit to consume?

If the answer is "yes" to any or all of these, would you kindly provide the source of your permission to do so. These practices vary from the communion rite as prescribed in the liturgical books to which, - other than remaining in your place and barring any other indult - the Statute of the Neocatechumenal Way (Art. 13, §3) requires compliance. 

We know that a special permission or indult apart from the Statute must be granted in order for you to distribute and receive communion in this manner because of what Archbishop Apuron told the parishioners from Yona during his pastoral visit there on December 17, 2014. When asked where was the permission to distribute and receive communion in this manner, the Archbishop did not say it was permitted in the Statute (because it isn't). He said:
"Rome has given permission for that. And it’s somewhere I need to find out where exactly, but they told us that permission is given."
Antoine, as you can see from the counter in the right sidebar, as of today, it has been 63 days since Archbishop Apuron told the Yona parishioners that he would "find out where exactly".  Since the Archbishop is too busy to answer the Yona parishioners, perhaps because you are a "responsible" for your community, he will answer you more readily. 

I really don't want to have to put up another counter for the number of days since I have made this request directly to you, so I hope to hear from you soon. We know the document exists because the the Archbishop himself said that "it's somewhere". I do hope you can help him find it. 

P.S. As you may or may not know, because the celebration of the Eucharist is both the "sacrament of unity" and "source and summit of our faith", indults or permits to vary from the prescriptions of the liturgical books is serious business and are always codified via an authoritative document from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments (CDW) if not the pope himself. In other words Archbishop Apuron's "they told us" will not suffice. 

Thank you again for your willingness to answer questions. You are a rare one indeed. 



29 comments:

  1. Dear Tim. As a former Neo I can tell you that all your questions can be answered with a yes and no "regular" member has any clue why or if we can even do what we do in the Eucharist. We are told by our catechist that the "church" recognizes our way of doing things and that's that. For most members we are told to never question our catechists. They are "angels" sent from God. You can't question an angel can you? Hope this helps!

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    1. But Diana said not everything needs to be in writing. The Pope told Kiko its okay, and Kiko told Pius and all the others, who told the responsibles, who told the catechists, who I guess get to tell the regulars. Diana also said the complainers should call the pope to confirm that he told Kiko its okay. Diana also said if its not okay, Rome would have said something by now. I like Diana. I think she's on to something clever here.

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    2. At 4:35. Well then Diana should check with Apuron. It was Apuron who said that the permission was somewhere and he would "need to find out where exactly". So if Diana wants to insist that the permission was oral then she/he is calling Apuron a liar.

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    3. Agreed. I only meant to highlight how absurd these arguments have been, and how Diana's logic is borderline comical.

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  2. Waah! Waah! Waah!
    Entitled bunch of neo-whiners.
    So elite, like the rest of us are their plebes.
    Not sure which is worse: the sanctimonious or the self-righteous.
    Either way, wish they would go off into the boondocks and do their dancing in the moon with the other cultists.

    Get out and take your lying sack of sh*t Archbishop with you.

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    1. I don't know Mr. Tajalle, but I will acknowledge that he is a standup person for placing his name to his comment (albeit in retort and to defend his person). However, I am having a difficult time moving myself to do the same for you, anon at 2:08pm, for you chose to malign someone specific while remaining anonymous.

      That being said, I also am looking forward to Mr. Tajalle remaining upright and setting to rest the questions put forth by Mr. Rohr. What say you?

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  3. That's a bit harsh Anon at 2:08. Antoine does at least try to engage in the conversation. Let's give him the opportunity to respond to these questions. And when he can't, then with charity we may be able to point out that he, and us, are subject to the same deceptions of this "Way".

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  4. To add to Ric E's comments: I read it in the Internet and so it must be true, because you can't put anything in the Internet unless it's true. And how did I know that? Because I read it in the Internet!

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    1. At least read what Mr. Ric E. wrote before attempting to respond with witty retort as yours was neither witty, nor a retort.

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  5. While we're asking questions, how about, does everyone give a "homily" reflection after the gospel? This is only reserved for the ordained, as reiterated in Redemptionis sacramentum. Do you have an indult for that? What about the placing of the book of the gospels above the tabeernacle?

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  6. Ric E…is that the Doctor?

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  7. While we pray for you on Guam, that you can prevail in your fight against heretic teachings; may I humbly request that you pray for those of us in Chinese lands that will have celebrate the beginning of lent in small places away from our parishes because ash Wednesday will fall on the beginning of Chinese New year.
    Because of this, few churches shall open, and many faithful shall be away from their regular living areas to visit their home towns which are often located very far away.
    Please pray for us that we can start lent in the right spirit.
    BTW still looking for the "tens of thousands of missionaries for China" that Kiko is supposedly sending to these parts

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  8. Antoine, this is the second instance that I have witnessed your bringing up father mike's name in a conversation about neo vs nonneo. Sure, you prefaced it with "I have a lot of respect for father mike" etc etc but you end that thought with the same divisive tone that permeates the entirety of your comment. What's your beef with him? Don't answer that, I'm not looking for an answer. Just disturbing to me that while you get your panties in a bunch about somebody naming you, you do the same thing by dragging father mike's name into this conversation. Lest there be any doubt of the division in our church, you have just provided the final nail. Thanks. And can't wait to hear your answers.

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    1. The second instance in this blog. But we all know that that he talks about fr. Mike. Just like how he also talks about us, the parishioners and choir member's. It's no secret, Antoine is great gossiper. A great team player in disguise for both sides.

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    2. Antoine, you talk so much about faith but also talk a lot about therapy (bingo and other related activities YOU deem as therapeutic.) How many masters does you have?

      We wonder, if your right hand knows what the left is doing. More importantly, we wonder if those in your community or even those in the line of neo hierarchy know that you particularly love to gamble. Many of our parishioners know of this. We wonder if our pastor, Fr. Louis, knows of this. He should pay close attention to the passed around black bag. Wait, like other communities, bag is always missing (lack of accountability.) Scratch that thought.

      Antoine, you say: "ohhhhh....the urge to comment back is so strong but its okay, I said my peace and made my peace too.......do as you please, cause for the most part, you all don't make sense anyways......."

      We say: You know what Mr. Rohr has asked of you. Now, untangled that bunch and answer his questions. But you won't cause it will prove that the Neo is not in alliance with Mother Church.

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  9. This is the same person that can be found commenting on mass media sites against NonNeos, supporting even more divisiveness. See comments against Tim, the Jungle, NonNeos etc...

    It is not that commendable to sign your name. It just cements that such a person has been thoroughly "washed" in the brain deparment.

    Sadly, his attempt at eloquence does not save him from still being a cult member. Remember, there are surgeons, lawyers and "academics" that are Neos, continuing to spew the message and support this Neo Feces.

    Sorry, we are not fooled!

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  10. Antoine give it a rest! You were raised better than this! Un na ma'mahalao si nana-mu biha. Ya busta di un menti' I na'an Pale' Mike.

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  11. Antoine, no one is asking you to reply immediately, but, at least, please tell Tim (and the rest of us Jungle Watch readers) WHEN you plan to answer his questions. If you do this, it will help maintain your credibility. Better to answer the questions, already. Why put it off? After all, it was you who said, "I have never not answered a question posed to me about the NCW."

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  12. Antonie you say, "You will never find the community wasting time on talk about the parishioners." but this is exactly what you are doing in your comment on this blog, as well as the many comments you make on other mass media sites, not to mention Ms. Diana's site. You speak about being shunned, well I see you shunning yourself from the regular parishioners. Apparently YOU are the one with the mentality that you're being shunned, when it's the way you carry yourself. As I see it, YOU are the one who separated yourself from the regular parishioners. Whenever there is an activity at the Church you rush back to the office instead of sticking around to enjoy fellowship with the rest of us. It's not just you, it's others in your community who won't even talk to the rest of us as if you're on your guard as to what people think about you. To be honest, I love you as a family of the San Dimas and Our Lady of the Rosary Church, whether you are walking in the Way or not. I hope you continue to love us who have been there with you even in your worst of times praying for you and with you. To us you are Antonie our brother in Christ, not Antonie the Neo. -San Dimas Parishioner

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    1. To anon Feb 19- 3:05 I totally agree with you. I also am a fellow San Dimas Parishioner and I don't ever remember him being taught to act this way. He truly is UNSTABLE. he's like a bunny rabbit!..HOP! HOP! HOP! pues crash....lol....antoine busta di mala-na!...lol

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  13. ^^bump please in case he forgot that we are waiting for a response. If he thinks this is a chuck and Tim vs Neos (he's said so in so many words calling you both out by name even without knowing either of you) he is wrong. All those Neos outside the konbento checking out every vehicle that goes by LOL. Paranoid much?

    - San Dimas parishioner by blood

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    1. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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  14. Anton, refrain from responding back to these COWARDS here. Let it go and Give it to GOD! remember God does not sleep. Let's be fruitful and reject these poison. Pray for them and forgive them for they do not know what they do.... Enter this Lent Season with repentance and Love.

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    1. LOL. You sign yourself anonymous and accuse us of being cowards. Then you say to pray for us and speak of Lent, repentance and love. Typical kiko. So sad. Just an FYI and a reminder. I only asked those questions because Antoine said he never refused to answer questions. Apparently it depends on the questions, doesn't it. No worries. Antoine's refusal to answer those questions puts him in good company. Of course not to answer is the answer. There is NO permission for your alternative communion rite and participating it puts you outside your own statute and in fact outside the church. No official pronouncement from Rome is necessary. It's the same as it is with private sin. No letter from the pope is needed.

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  15. Melvin W. QuineneMarch 22, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    Highway, roadway, railway, breezeway, jetway, amway, Norway, Neocatechumenal way it doesn't matter, sure every one is entitled to their own opinion, it's just like our rectum's everybody's got one, what is disturbing and and I pose this question to all of you !?what do you consider yourselves, a Christian or a Natural religious person ? many of you seem to be on point about you Neos stand outside the Combento checking out all the cars passing by,paranoid much? , or I am a fellow San Dimas Parishioner by blood, sure we congregate outside after celebration of the word or Eucharistic celebration, to have a smoke or to get some fresh air, and not to count cars passing by or to see who is looking in on us. Heres the jist of all of this, the sin of "Pride", a simple word called a paradigm or the reluctance to change people, we do not consider ourselves superior, or above all else ! the Way is opened for all who may be looking for a change and it seems not to many people want that change, it doesn't matter if you are a frequent Church goer, if you do not have the Love of Christ in you to live in humility, humbleness and Praise then, that means that as like I, I am a natural religious person get it ! Do many of you go to mass for the sake of being seen their or do you really pay attention to the readings, because a word in them might be related to a predicament that you have, or are going through. Were any of you at the last Supper with Jesus ? if you think you know so well then answer the questions yourselves, the Neocatechumenal Way has done a lot of good for me and my wife, especially our marriage of 25 years! it has brought us closer to Mother Church then ever before, I've gone to mass many times prior to becoming a member of the second community of Merizo of the Neo catechumenal Way, and if you think that arrogance only exists in the NCW think again, man I would be ashamed of myself blaspheming those who really believe that God does exist, who am I, and what am I living for who is God for you ??? too many of us go to Church for the sake of being seen there for the mass but are spiritually not there ! Try persecuting the Guam Cursillo movement, or the Christian Mothers association, or the Sacred Heart of Mary, it is unheard of. There are so many things that some of you do not understand, why because, I was like many of you, who looked at the way as a weird or unheard of Charism, go figure, until you actually have an inkling about whats going on, then it might be a wise choice to cease and desist the negative comments, remember God is like a teacher during an examination, quite and observing. Peace to us all, most especially during these last few weeks of the Lenten season. Amen.

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    1. Thanks, Melvin. At least you used your name. Would you be willing to kindly provide the answers to the questions asked in the post? It seems Antoine never got back to us.

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    2. Glad that you got that off your chest Melvin. Just go on your Way and don't mind our comments if they don't apply to you personally. Don't answer or try to defend anyone else. Have a blessed lenten season. FYI the Way is not for me as I am perfectly happy with how I practice my faith AND Jesus has shown me His love all the days of my life. He has blessed me and my family many times over and I will continue to know, love, and serve Him more and more each day.

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  16. Thank you 8:18 PM , I have the utmost respect for your kind words, yes we each have our way of serving and loving the Good Lord. I am voicing myself with regards to all the negativity about the way, I hope you understand and I am not answering or defending anyone else. Peace be with you.

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