Tuesday, February 2, 2016

THE DEEP EVIL OF KIKO ARGUELLO

Apuron has often said that he is not forcing the Neocatechumenal Way on anybody (despite his threats to priests to serve the Way or get out). He doesn't have to force. He only has to follow Kiko's playbook.

It's masterful really. Like Khrushchev's "We will bury you...without firing a shot," Kiko Arguello has fashioned a plan to infiltrate the Church and do the same: "bury us...without a shot." And it is happening all so quietly right under your noses, doing it the same way the communists have been doing it for 50 years. 

While our concerns are diverted by the outrages of the seminary swindle, the injustices towards Fr. Paul and Msgr. James, and the strange neo practices, the kikos are quietly infiltrating the educational and formational channels of the Catholic Church: the CCD programs, the Catholic schools, the Confirmation classes, RCIA, marriage preparation, etc. 


None of this is happening under the name "neocatechumenal way." It's all very quiet. These are seemingly normal people just wanting to help their church. But all of it has one end: drain the Catholic faith from within and funnel everyone into their "church," the church of Kiko Arguello: the "community." 

Here is an account from someone who, wanting to get married, attended the marriage prep course as required in his parish, and came face to face with the deep evil of Kiko Arguello.

The account is in Spanish with a rough google translation highlighted in yellow. And as you will see in the end, he too is hoping Rome will do something.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Meanwhile, refuse to participate in anything that smells of Kiko Arguello. 

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​29 de enero de 2016, 11:22
Vivo (name of city) pero trabajo fuera, y me apunté a mi parroquia para casarme porque es donde me bautizé y parte de mi familia pertenece a la cofradia. Todo normal hasta que comienzan los cursillos prematrimoniales.

January 29, 2016, 11:22 am
I live in (name of city) but I work out of there, and I signed up in my parish to marry (NOTE: to have the sacrament of marry) because that's where I was baptized and a part of my family belongs to the brotherhood. Everything was normal until premarital courses began. 

Nos convocan y nos hablan de 8 o 9 catequesis (no sabíamos que eran tan largos) y a partir de ahí todo normal. Me choca que se celebre en lo que llaman "El Catecumenium" y no en la propia iglesia, pero pensé que era cuestión de logística.

They called us and talk about 8 or 9 catechesis (we did not know they were so long) and until then, everything normal. It strikes me that meetings are held in what is called "The Catechumenium" and not in the temple of the church itself, but I thought maybe it was a matter of logistics.

Las primeras reuniones fueron extrañas. El primer día en concreto ví a los catequistas y en vez de esas personas amables y risueñas que esperas encontrar ví a unas parejas con la mueca torcida, muy serios, que decían ser felices en sus matrimonios con una expresión que indicaba todo lo contrario. Gente muy joven algunos y con muchos niños. Empezaron a preguntarnos en qué trabajabamos mientras decían apuntar nuestros datos en una agenda.

The first meetings were strange. The first day in particular I met our catechists and instead of being those kind of friendly and smiling people who I expected to find, I saw some couples with their twisted, serious face, who claimed to be happily married with an expression that indicated just the opposite. Some of them too young people with many children. They began to ask us what was each one's job while pointing our data in a agenda.

El primer día estuve apunto de llorar. LLega un tipo que es de profesión comercial y el y su mujer comienzan a hablarnos de su vida conyugal. Nos hablaban del matrimonio como si fuera una tortura; un camino plagado de sufrimiento, donde nos sentiríamos sólos, perdidos, confusos. ¡Se supone que estábamos ahí para casarnos! ¿A qué viene todo esto?

The first day I was about to mourn. There comes a guy who is a commercial professional and he and his wife began to talk about their married life. They talked of marriage like a torture; a way plagued of suffering, where we will feel alone, we'll be lost, confused. Supposedly we were there to get married! What's this all about?

El resto de las reuniones el tipo se dedicaba a repetir la misma retahíla aprendida de memoria. Sus narraciones con tecnicismos bíblicos siempre hablaban de lo mismo: "Dios te ama. Dios perdona." Pero citaba con asiduidad: "tu estás sólo y sin Jesucristo tu matrimonio no va a funcionar" para acabar con "sin la comunidad tu matrimonio no va a funcionar". Al principio pensé que hablaba de la comunidad cristiana.

The other  meetings  that guy devoted to repeat the same litany learned by heart. His stories with biblical technicalities always talked about the same thing: "God loves you, God forgives.." But regularly he quoted: "You are alone and without Jesus Christ your marriage will not work" to end "without the community your marriage will not work." At first I thought that spoke of the Christian community.

Salía de los cursos cansada, desmoralizada y abatida, me robaban la ilusión.
I got out of courses tired, demoralized and dejected, they stole my illusion.

Por otra parte comentaba con los compañeros del curso lo absurdo e inútil de las charlas, hablándonos a adultos con historias de adán y eva como si fuesemos niños de ocho años que van a hacer la comunión... Insistían mucho en que el resto del mundo nos enseñaba a vivir de tal manera que acabaríamos siendo desgraciados. Yo, que me he criado en una moral cristiana y católica de generaciones, nunca había oido hablar a nadie así del resto de la sociedad no creyente.

Moreover I commented with other participants about how absurdity and futility were the talks, speaking to adults with stories of Adam and Eve as if we were children of eight years old who are going to have first communion ... They insisted very much in that the rest of the world will took us to live in such way that we would end up being miserable. I have grown up in a Christian and Catholic moral from some generations ago and I had never heard anyone talking in that way about the rest of the unbelieving society.

También nos invitaban a merendar, traían dulces caros y café, cerveza, etc. Sacaban de vez en cuando una cruz con aires románicos y nos hablaba de Jesús y la Comunidad, Jesús y la Comunidad....

They also invited  us to tea, they brought expensive sweets and coffee, beer, etc. Occasionally they drew a cross with Romanesque style and we talked about Jesus and the Community, the Community and Jesus ....

Mis compañeros me comentaron que eran kikos. Yo sólo pensé que eso les influía en su visión sobre la sexualidad y poco más, por lo que no me alarmó​.

Others told me they were kikos. I just thought that maybe it would influence his views on sexuality and little else, so it did not alarm me.

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Anónimo29 de enero de 2016, 11:31

Empezaron a citarnos en sus casas. Sábados, domingos... viernes a las 9,30 de la noche en invierno. Mis familiares y amigos no podían creerlo. Empecé a ver algo raro en eso. ¿Es necesario tantas citas, y a esas horas tan impropias de una catequesis? Pero fuera de haber un clima informal y distendido se dedicaban a la misma oratoria y las mismas retahilas, mientras nos ponían más comida y dulces y vino. ¿De qué iba todo esto?- Es un negocio. No hay que ver más que como repite siempre lo mismo de la semana anterior. Nos quiere vender un producto y nosotros somos futuros clientes.- Yo no lo entendía. -El producto es la Comunidad.

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Anonymous January 29, 2016, 11:31 am

They began to convene us in their homes. Saturday, Sunday ... Friday at 9.30 pm in winter. My family and friends could not believe it. I began to see something strange about that. Were necessary so many appointments, and such improper hours for so many catechesis? But far from an informal and relaxed atmosphere they were always engaged in the same speech and the same jingles while they gave us more food and sweets and wine. What was that all about? - It's a business. It is not necessary to see more than they always repeat the same thing as the previous week one time and another. They want to sell us a product and we are just their future clients.- I did not understand. -Product is the Community.

Ahora leo tu blog y veo todo claro. La manipulación, el adoctrimamiento, el aborregamiento, el decir que no somos verdaderos cristianos, el catastrofismo, la humillación, el mostrarnos al mundo como enemigo, enfatizar que estamos sólos y necesitamos ayuda...

Now I ​just ​read your blog ​​and see everything clear. Handling, adoctrimamiento, the mackerel, saying that we are not true Christians, catastrophism, humiliation, showing the world as an enemy, emphasize that we are alone and ​we ​need help ...

Me siento humillada, engañada y estafada por la que un día fue mi parroquia y mi sacerdote. Han aprovechado nuestra fé y el acto sacramental del matrimonio para abducirnos, intentar alejarnos del resto del mundo y controlarnos (ponedle un nombre a esto) Todo esto sin ir de frente ni identificarse como neocatecúmenos, con toda la intención de confundirnos. Como ha dejado nuestro sacerdote que los mercaderes se adueñen en el templo y comercien con la fé. Qué verguenza. Ojalá algún día se ​d​​e​ cuenta la Iglesia que estas prácticas arruinan la fé cristiana y te lanzan al laicismo. Ojalá el Papa Francisco se dé cuenta y los expulse como hizo Cristo en el templo. Y ellos que sigan adorando a su bellocino de oro particular..​.

I feel humiliated, deceived and cheated by one day it was my parish and my priest. They have taken advantage of our faith and the sacramental act of marriage to abduct, trying to get us away from the world and control us (put a name to this). All this without going in front or identified as neocatechumenals, with every intention to mislead. As our priest has left the merchants in the temple take ownership and trading with the faith. What a shame. I Hope someday the Church will notice that these practices ruin the Christian faith and throw you into secularism. I wish Pope Francisco will realize and expell them as Christ did in the temple. And they'll continue worshiping their particular bellocino gold ..

Voy a denunciar esto dónde haga falta para que nadie pase el mismo calvario que esto pasando yo en la que un día fue mi Iglesia y la de mi familia.
I will denounce this where ​necessary to avoid others to go​ through this ordeal, ​where in ​the past ​it​ was my church and my family.

19 comments:

  1. Sounds like the process at San Vicente in Barrigada. You go In to make arrangements for your child's baptism, you answer questions and then out of the blue a kiko couple comes waltzing in. They say to you " May we come visit you or you can come visit us!" For fear of not having the child baptized, the parent(s) say yes! Pure communism tactic!

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  2. "Nos quiere vender un producto y nosotros somos futuros clientes ... El producto es la Comunidad."

    not just to be future clients, but after that, to be future salespeople as well. it really is a pyramid scheme--and guess who's at the top of the pyramid?

    it's telling that these accounts always show how, for the kikos, it's all about "the community." never so much about Jesus Christ and His Church, nor about grace and conversion and living in the love of Christ nourished by the sacraments.

    coincidentally, i was just reading today's Gospel reading (coincidentally in spanish too), about the exorcism of the gerasene demoniac. i always found it disturbing, comforted only by the fact that Jesus has the power to expel them:

    "Unclean spirit, come out of the man! ... What is your name?"

    He replied, "Legion is my name. There are many of us."

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  3. Rey D, you are completely right: "for the kikos, it's all about "the community." never so much about Jesus Christ and His Church".
    But many, many bishops do not see it. And at the end they are the last responsible of Kiko's evil through the Way. They have the duty "in vigilando" y no vigilan.

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  4. Hey What has happend to The couple that was in Neo? Have they left The way? Is it all about money and Fake faith but behind The scenes happening much business? God bless you all

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  5. Hey wanted to ask has The couple leave Neo? And is it that everything seems like good but happen things behind The seen that it is about money and business? And Fake faith and just to get members? .. Need to know The truth..God bless you all.

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  6. Liam mullan (New York)October 8, 2016 at 1:55 PM

    The way is a beautiful instituion and charism approved not only by the churches many cardinals and bishops, but also by the last 3 pontiffs of the Catholic church. As a member of this community I can first hand day it is by no means the cult many believe it to be. It's brings a renewal of baptism into a dying Catholic church and announces the kerygma with great ambition and courage as announced in the gospel which the churches find more difficulty in doing. It is possible the catechists of your marriage course where in a period of crisis themselves as, remember, they are you humans simply trying to announce the love christ and his neccessity in a VERY BEAUTIFUL BUT DIFFICULT sacrament

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    1. I say the Way is a piece of shit. So what makes me wrong and you right?

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    2. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me, not Kiko. The Catholic Church is not dying. You of little faith. You've been lied to by the deceiver of all deceivers. He is actually out to kill the Church by replacing the Altar with a table inside a hotel room.

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    3. Liam, the Catholic church is dying because people like you who turn to a movement led by an unordained layman who's able to influence and hoodwink weak church leaders. The Catholic church was founded by Jesus Christ for ALL who follow Him. You are a heretic since you follow Kiko instead of the Pope who is the successor of Peter who was entrusted by Christ. Stop claiming that the Catholic church is better because of the Way. You and your ilk best leave the Catholic church and open up a Kiko/Carmen church.

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    4. Well thats where you are wrong. The pope and many popes before him have always had a love for the Way. Pope John Paul ll, loved Carmen (also a founder of the way). She recently passed. The Way is a community inside the catholic church. There are many other "communities" inside the church. So why attack the Way and not some others? I have met Kiko and he is a very holy and humble man. He is in a deep crisis with the passing of Carmen. Do you know how the Way started?? I don't think you do. I, on the other hand, do. Kiko, along with Carmen, have had many visions of the Blessed Virgin Mary and many other blessed people. The Way actually recieved approval of the Holy Father in 2008. So clearly none of you know very well of the Way. Yes, the Way may not be for everyone. A friend of mine joined not too long ago, and soon figured out that it wasn't for her, and that is completely ok. Do you know of World Youth Day? It happened during July. I was there. The Holy Father blessed Kiko and sent his condolences for the passing of Carmen. You see, the Way isn't a faith-killing community. And Kiko had definetly not decieved us. All his songs and catechisms come from the bible. The Way is very beautiful! So please do not attack someone or something, just because you do not understand it.

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    5. 1:37 PM, I have studied the NCW and concluded it is a legitimate charism tolerated by the Pontiffs but not endorsed. I say legitimate because the nutjobs who adhere to it have legitimate claims to being in that state of foolishness, just like being in suspended reality. My study also reveals that NCW usurps the heart of Catholicism in order to advance its landgrab and mind control. The ordinary person or families are seen as means to an end, and pity the vulnerable and weak-minded who give in to its pretensions and ill intents. I do understand NCW, and it is this: fakery.

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    6. 4:11 well done

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    7. The Way doesn't in the slightest have to be approved in any diocese. There are two parallel WYDs (including where the Way is not approved) and parishioners don't know which one they are donating money to. In practice it is extremely often, almost anywhere, not all right to say the Way is not for oneself, before one joins, after one week, one year, ten years or twenty years. A person like you saying it is all right doesn't mean it is all right when it isn't all right. I've seen it unfold before my own eyes. All the reports ring true. The Holy Father is a very polite man. I bet you pass condolences to various people yourself. God will work through something bad till something better can replace it (including maybe dropping out). The Way is not organised for wellness. It kills some people's faith quickly, some people's slowly, without their realising. Some of those who stick the course have additional sources of faith. Even some itinerants have idealism, but not Holy Spirit discernment or power.

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    8. Glad to be back in Holy Mother ChurchOctober 27, 2016 at 9:55 AM

      Liam - the Catholic Church IS NOT DYING! I know you are told that in your catechism, because I was in the Way, and was told the same. But a wise priest once reminded me after listening to me spout all the nonsense I heard at the catechesis. He said that Jesus insured us that nothing will ever ruin our Church.

      So if Kiko claims that the Church is dying, he obviously has no faith in Jesus, and wants to start his parallel church. Sadly, many people in the Way are conditioned into not thinking for themselves. We were told from the very beginning not to ask questions, but to listen.

      Gladly, a good friend of mine, not in the Way, saw the impact it was having on me, and he was frightened at how closed minded I had become in just a short while. I took him nearly three years to convince me that I was becoming cult-ish.

      I owe my friend for returning me to the true path of salvation - the Catholic Church is what leads us to Christ. The Way just leads you to Kiko. I'm sorry, but he is not Christ!

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  7. By a complicated process of attrition and enforced fudging, the Way has not exactly been disapproved. That is the state of affairs. In my 28 years insider experience I heard many true doctrines (especially from an earlier generation of itinerants) and appreciated space and time to study Scriptures with my friends who were deeply anchored Catholics already. There were many crucial gaps especially in prayer and in belief that God will act. The voluminous lip service is very different from belief. The marriages mend in the first three years because someone has the Christian goodness to suggest this to the couples, Way or no Way. The timings in the Way are all wrong.

    In the UK and some other countries, the Church had run out of steam in catechising its own, but that is a weak reason to affirm the bad boundaries and the power grabbing increasingly done by the higher ups of whose doings ordinary members like me hear little of. I know where 1.37 p.m and Liam are coming from and I too have enthusiastically exaggerated. The ordinary members are a front to hide the non-adherence to canon law or even to their "own statutes". St Paul: "Let everything be done decently and in good order" and that applies all the more to things done by people to other people outside liturgies. Catholics are too used to indiscriminate deference to authority so the Way doesn't look any worse than the Church often is in practice in many parts of the world. Even as my priest was coddling and pampering me and my mates, he was severely injuring others, and eventually he and the itinerants started on us. The Way does in one day to some what damage it does to others in 28 years. Inconsistency over time and space aids deniability.

    Visions of Our Lady don't guarantee holiness, it has to be worked hard for after the visions. Too many things went too wrong and stayed so. Built into the Way is the impossibility to give responsibles one's feedback. They are impervious on Sunday afternoons after tanking up at lunch. Wine is the all-important sign (alcoholics exempted).

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  8. You think you have right.Absolutely no.You are wrong.Couples speak the truth.Do you think that we shouldn't speak the truth?We should accept each person whith good and bad things if we are in marriage

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  9. Please go to sleep we are very tired after giving catechesis for 6 hours solid

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