WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE PRESBYTER PROBLEM

Posted by Tim

CNMI Lawyer makes a point:

CNMI LawyerSeptember 14, 2016 at 7:19 AM

Incardination has consequences.

The NCW presbyters have been ordained and incardinated in the Archdiocese of Agaña.

Thus, unless another bishop accepts their transfer, we are financially responsible for their support throughout the rest of their lives, just like for Fr. Brouillard.

They cannot be unilaterally sent back to their native lands.

This was in fact the plan from the beginning. This is why Kiko insisted that his "Way" NOT be classified as a Lay Movement, nor his presbyters a new religious order. If it was a "Movement," Kiko and his Way would have come into the orbit of the pontifical councils and dicasteries which govern the lay movements and to which he would have been held accountable. He wanted to avoid this. If his presbyters had been constituted as a new religious order, they would have had to raise their own funds and provide for themselves. He wanted to avoid this. 

CAN "NEO" ESCAPE THE (NCW) MATRIX?

RYaeger's thoughts, copied below, are very insightful. I know this situation to be true.

RYaegerMay 11, 2016 at 3:17 AM

In some ways, I do feel for these young men. Not all freely choose to be a priest. They are under extreme pressure to become priests from their communities, family in some cases, and then you have the persuasion factor within their communal meetings drawing people to step forth and dedicate themselves to vocations. Without all the outside influences, would Luis have chosen priesthood? Could he have freely walked away if he wished to? Can any of these young men? Do they have the resources to just leave if they want and a support system outside the NCW? (They will be shunned if the leave the NCW or RMS or priesthood from other walkers.)

I think the blame lies with the NCW and the bishops who ordain these men. Although I do not know, it would not surprise me if Luis were kept on a tight leash within the walls of the Christian compound built in Qatar. Who knows if he or any of the men on the island have access to their passports and money to leave if they wanted to?

A man like OJ has probably been indoctrinated into the NCW since childhood. He has been indoctrinated to be obedient to his catechist. Who knows for those of us not walking, what the consequences are for disobedience-psychological or otherwise? Yes, these men are not quality priests, and if the NCW had a discernment process, they would not be priests.

The priests are tools for the NCW to gain favor within the hierarchy of the Church, bring in more members, and bring in more money to the NCW.

Both Chuck White and I - since we are very visible in this war - have received lots of mail from many people around the world who have been severely and deeply wounded by their experience in the NCW, especially once they choose to leave. 

Their description of it reminds me of "Neo's" escape from The Matrix. (Is the name "Neo" coincidental?)

One particular person has shared with us the most intense emotional suffering and deep struggle of her break with The (NCW) Matrix to swim back to the surface of some sense of reality in her life. If the normal members experience such hardship in attempting to escape The Matrix that is the NCW, how much more those who are "groomed" for "presbyter-hood." 

In the movie, The Matrix, a simulated reality is created by sentient machines to subdue the human population, while their bodies' heat and electrical activity are used as an energy source. 

In the horror "film" that is "The NCW Matrix", a simulated reality is created by the Arguello-Gennarini machine to subdue a human population, while their bodies are used as capital to trade for power amongst the fallen princes of the Church (thus their lust for numbers). 

The OJ affair is classic. I've known him since about 2004. No doubt he was sincere, and may even have become a good priest in a real seminary. But there was no intention of helping him to become a real priest. The only intention in the NCW is the machine production of numbers (and in our case, playmates for Tony), and guys like OJ are feted and fanned into thinking that they are superhuman so that they will be all the more pliable to the will of the Arguello-Gennarini Matrix that manufactures and uses them to grease the cogs of their power-broking machine.

Escape from The Matrix OJ. Seriously. "Trinity" will help you. But you first have to believe. 

FORBIDDING THE USE OF THE TERM "PRESBYTER" AND "FIGURE IT OUT"

"This is my Body" - But no one kneels.
"In Christianity there is no altar", which is " why we can celebrate the Eucharist on a suitable table and we can celebrate in a square, in the countryside or wherever it is suitable. We don't have a particular place where exclusively we should celebrate our worship." - Kiko Arguello. Volume 1, 3rd day, Catechetical Directory

We have all become aware of the odd insistence of the use of the word "presbyter" instead of "priest" by the Neocatechumenal Way.

I have argued elsewhere on this blog that this "insistence" is no mere "either/or" occurrence, but a key strategy in Kiko's agenda to subvert the element of "sacrifice" in the "Holy Sacrifice of the Mass." Since Kiko eschews the sacrificial nature of the Mass, he must also - like Luther before him - rid the use of the word "priest" which universally refers to "one who offers sacrifice."

ON THE MATTER OF THE TEACHING THAT "JESUS IS A SINNER"

ON THE MATTER OF THE TEACHING THAT "JESUS IS A SINNER" AND THE GENERAL PROBLEMS CAUSED BY A VERY POOR COMMAND OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE BY RMS-PRODUCED PRESBYTERS

Submitted by Tim Rohr for the Apostolic Visitors:

Most Reverend Archbishop Savio HON Tai-Fai

Your Excellency Archbishop Martin Krebs

Reverend Father Nowak

timrohr.guam@gmail.com

December 30, 2014, Hagatna, Guam

(A PDF copy may be accessed here.)

Dear Apostolic Visitors:

We have grave reason to believe that despite the promulgation of the recently (2010) approved texts of the Catechetical Directory for the Neocatechumenal Way, the "catechists" and teachers of the Neocatechumenal Way continue to teach a version of the faith that is NOT Catholic.

We believe this is also why Kiko Arguello has been obstinate against the Holy See in the matter of bringing his version of the eucharistic celebration into conformance with the liturgical books as was required by the 2008 Statute of the Neocatechumenal Way.

The following is an example of this sort of departure from authentic Catholic teaching wherein the instructor teaches that Jesus Christ "is a sinner".  

PRIESTS FOR CHINA - A TOTAL FRAUD

AnonymousDecember 8, 2014 at 10:51 AM

That whole issue about missionaries for China is either wishful thinking or a total fraud.
The communist party in China control every aspect of the religious and political life in that country. This is the main reason why the Vatican and China do not recognize each other.
For Kiko to claim he is forming missionaries for China is ludicrous
Any foreigner in China is shadowed most of the time even the tourists. If you think you will be able to make contact with locals to promote a religious agenda, you are fooling yourself. You will be arrested, questioned and condemned in a kangooroo court, and serve a long prison term before being deported.
This so called Evangelisation of the heathens is nothing but a con.
But we should be used to this with Kiko, Carmen, Pius and the Gennarini they are perfect and well trained con artists.

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TimDecember 8, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Thank you for saying this. Absolutely correct. The idea of sending priests to China as if this was somehow the 16th century is ridiculous. It's all a ruse. And truly pathetic. The fact is that neither Kiko NOR ANY BISHOP can send a priest anywhere without the invitation and permission of a local bishop. To do so is to violate church law and the integrity of the other diocese. But these people don't care. And they don't care because they are in a different church. Their real mission is to convert Catholics.

WHY YOU MUST NOT CALL YOUR PRIEST "PRESBYTER"

The NEO's, including the Archbishop (since he is one of them) refer to their priests as "presbyters". Here is what the Catholic Church says, the real one, not Kiko's:

Prominent among the problems is the decision of the translators to break with common Catholic usage and translate the Latin "presbyteri" into English not with "priests" but with "presbyters". This cannot meet with the Holy See's consent since it risks being misunderstood by the people and represents an unacceptable theological tendency. In particular it constitutes a retreat from a term that carries a sense of sacrality, that carries with it the history of the development of the faith in favor of a term which does not. 

Letter from the Congregation for Divine Worship to the president of the NCCB on the defects of the Ordination Rite, Prot. 760/96/L, 761/96/L, 20 September 1997 

To read more see THE PRESBYTER CONSPIRACY and Chuck White's HALF-BAKED PRIESTS.

A GIFT FOR GUAM?

We have been told "ad nauseum" how these neo-presbyters and their seminary is a "gift for Guam". Some of us aren't so excited about "this gift". Here is John Toves' view of this "gift". You may think it's disrespectful. Well then you must have missed the DISRESPECT in the cathedral at the end of the ordination. This would have fit right in.