THE "REAL" SEMINARY

The Catholics of Guam are once more being asked to build and support a seminary. This time it is the Saint John Paul II Archdiocesan Seminary located in what was the Retreat Center in Malojloj, which was, prior to that, the Carmelite monastery. 

As we have already noted in several posts, there should be no need for another seminary. We were told for more than a decade that the Redemptoris Mater Seminary WAS the seminary FOR the Archdiocese of Agana.

So why are we being asked to build and support another seminary? Because the Redemptoris Mater Seminary is EXCLUSIVELY a seminary which "prepares men for the priesthood...following the life and itinerary of the Neocatechumenal Way." (Article III. Articles of Incorporation, RMS.)

BY CHUCK WHITE

JUDGE NOT?

Thus sayeth the prophet Kiko:

“It is useless to say: “Sacrifice yourself, be nice to each other, love each other.” If someone tries to do so, he’ll become the greatest Pharisee, because he will do everything for his own personal perfection and will judge others.” Kiko Arguello, Day 7, “the Kerygma”, p 129, Catechetical Directory, Vol. I.

Jesus’s prohibition against judging others figures very prominently in Kiko Arguello’s religion,[1] but unfortunately there are at least three problems with Kiko’s appropriation of Christ’s teaching.

READ MORE: http://thoughtfulcatholic.com/?page_id=41049

FR. JUCUTAN, IS THIS YOU?

AnonymousSeptember 27, 2014 at 6:24 AM

Wonder what else Tim got besides a paycheck. Can't wait to see the Catholic cemeteries report.

Here's why I'm asking. As the vice-rector of the Cathedral, you have access to the books. You can see my paychecks, as measly as they are. But you don't know what those checks are for that are written to my company, do you?

AnonymousSeptember 26, 2014 at 10:20 PM

Anon 7:15PM you think 400K excess? Wait til you see the real report including Tim Rohr's check. What hypocrite. You milknthe Church with my money. It does not matter to me, I don't big stink about it.

Hmmm. So you mean the Archbishop did not show us the "real report"? Of course we know that. But thanks for admitting it. Of course, this would have to come from someone who can see my checks. That would be the vice-rector, now, wouldn't it?

AnonymousSeptember 27, 2014 at 6:29 AM

All employees paycheck are public. Even the Guam Legislature shows how much they pay their employee. AAA can publish the pay for all its employees. But did you get any other benefits besides a paycheck?

Of course this is stupid. The Guam legislature is a public agency and its staff and payroll are a matter of public record. The Archdiocese is not a public agency and, other than for ethical purposes, it is not required to disclose its payroll. The fact that this is such an ignorant statement is why I think this might be you, Fr. Jucutan. But the following question asking about "other benefits" pretty much gives it away. Your access to the cathedral books could prompt you to ask this. And you would ask it because you don't know what those other checks to my company are for, do you?

AnonymousSeptember 27, 2014 at 7:27 AM

Come on, Tim. Let's have some transparency here. Let AAA publish all employees paychecks including yours. Let's all see how much you've been milking the church.

I don't suspect this comment is from you, Fr. Jucutan, but maybe someone you are talking to? And if you ARE talking and sharing out this information, then it's going to be even worse for you if you are the source of it.

AnonymousSeptember 27, 2014 at 7:37 AM

Will sue the Archbishop Tim if he publicly reveal your pay. You are a false Catholic and no mere close to a Christian. You are false and authentic viper.

Those who regularly speak in public (like giving homilies) need to be extra careful when they try to speak anonymously. People are familiar with your speech patterns and oft-used words. In this case, it is the word "viper" (not to mention the poorly constructed sentences). Apparently you use this word often in your homilies. Several people recognized this last comment and sent me messages suspecting it is you.

For the sake of the priesthood, I hope it isn't you. But given what we already know about how you treated the outgoing employees of the cathedral, I wouldn't be surprised. Too bad. It's too bad because you are just another little cog in the big Kiko wheel. For now you take orders. You are useful. They will throw you in the ditch with the Archbishop when they are done with you. Save yourself while you can. You really don't want to face a deposition.

PACIFIC DAILY NEWS: Archdiocese opens books: Church finances available on website

Archdiocese opens books: Church finances available on website

http://www.guampdn.com/article/20140927/NEWS01/309270001/Archdiocese-opens-books-Church-finances-available-website

We'll have much to say about this later. But most people have already seen the problem. 

GO AHEAD. COME AFTER ME.

As we all know, the drivel over at Edivaldo & Holly's blog is so asinine and intellectually bereft that it is only worth visiting for entertainment value. I have more enjoyable forms of entertainment  - such as the long list of personal threats and insults I receive daily from the "fruit" of the Neocatechumenal Way - so I don't even bother to peek. However, I do receive copies of comments and postings from "pathetic.com" and here's one:

If anything, this shows how much THEY are afraid of ME. How funny. I am only now ?????? beginning with Kiko? LOL. And changing my focus from the Archbishop????? LOL. Here, let me help you all.

CONTINUE IN HOPE

I have received several comments and emails about the recent removal of a bishop in Paraguay by Pope Francis. I am presuming that the senders of those comments and emails are seeing the removal of this bishop as a sign of hope for our own Archdiocese.

However, the removal of the Archbishop is not what I personally am after. In fact, I think it might be a good idea if he stays. Here's why.

Archbishop Apuron is not our real enemy. Kiko Arguello IS. And nowhere in the Catholic world is the danger Kiko poses to the Church more on display than it is in the only diocese in the world that counts a bishop among its subservient members. 

We want Rome to see what happens to the Church when Kiko has full control of it. We want Rome to see the full aggressive persecution by Kiko's "Way" when it is fully unleashed by a bishop who serves it. We want Rome to see, here in Guam, Kiko "gone wild", and the full effect of his decimating disease. 

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CONCERNED CATHOLICS OF GUAM

Congratulations to the people behind the CONCERNED CATHOLICS OF GUAM July 2, 2014 notice in the Guam Pacific Daily News calling on Archbishop Apuron to be transparent with church finances. Today, the Archdiocese of Agana published on its website: Disclosure of Financial Statements of the Archdiocese of Agana. 

We know this Disclosure NEVER would have happened had Archbishop Apuron not been called out publicly on this matter. We know it never would have happened because of the very public resistance to the request. Instead of simply responding "we're working on it", or "we plan to publish the report soon", the Archdiocese publicly mocked the request from the CONCERNED CATHOLICS by challenging the group to meet:

DIACONATE CANDIDATES TAUGHT: JESUS CHRIST "BECAME A SINNER."

9/26/14: We have identified the SPEAKER as Fr. Angelo Veraldi, from Italy, and we have been informed that he is or has been also instructing the seminarians at RMS. 

The following is a transcript of this recording. It is a recording of a presentation by someone instructing the current candidates for the permanent diaconate for our Archdiocese. We are not sure if this is a member or the clergy or a layman. We ARE sure that he is not from here and we are working to identify him. You will note the extreme difficulty in understanding right from the beginning (poor candidates), but it gets worse.

9/25 Note: There were several comments questioning why those who were present did not challenge the speaker. We don't know that they didn't since we don't have a recording of the whole session. We do know that they didn't challenge at the moment that it was said, but that is not something to be alarmed at. I had to study the recording several times to be sure that the speaker really did say what he said and that he meant it in the way he said it. We are thankful for whoever recorded this. We realize the fear that almost anyone who is not neo and a is a member of the clergy or who aspires to be must deal with. Therefore I have decided not to entertain any comments calling into question the lack of a response from the candidates. 

FR. ANGELO (?) ANSWERS: IS "BENEDICTION" LITURGY?

In general, the word "benediction" can either refer to a blessing or an invocation. In the Catholic Mass, the "Benediction" is the blessing at the end of Mass. However, in Catholic usage, it can also refer to the "Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament" which is contained in the Order of the Solemn Exposition of the Holy Eucharist, of which we sometimes refer to simply as "Benediction". With these different references in mind, let us review the following convoluted exchange between a deacon candidate and a mystery speaker* who also made the strange claim that Jesus "was a sinner".

*Note: So far, we have been able to partially identify the "mystery speaker" as a priest from Italy named Fr. Angelo. If anyone can further verify his identity or how he came to be here instructing candidates for the diaconate, please send what you know. Likewise, you can also send information that disproves what we believe we know. 

Here's the conversation:

CATHOLIC PRIEST: MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE CATHOLICS OF GUAM

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   AnonymousSeptember 24, 2014 at 11:26 AM

   I could not agree more and sympathize with the Catholics on Guam for the apparent betrayal of trust by their own "shepherd's" deceptive maneuvers. I am a priest working in one of the dioceses in the US. I, myself, was a victim of this neo-catechumenal false religion that foments a wedge in the Church. What they have done to my parish for the past decades was truly horrendous. They have caused polarization and discrimination against non members. One problem they cause is their status that is frowned upon by priests and canonists. While they are a movement that openly claim to be a "charism" in the church, they want every priest, bishop and parishioner to kowtow to their ambivalent identity. Problems ranging from liturgical abuses to finances and a host of many others cannot simply be solved because of their refusal to obey diocesan policies. They identify as regular parishioners and that their program is evangelization; they refuse to be branded as a movement or a lay association as a clever ploy to work under the radar and be branded by any category apart from an evangelizing community. I wouldn't be a least bit surprised that if given more clout or increased support from church officials they would commence on a path of INQUISITION against those who do not wish to take part in their CULT. I am sad and my heart goes out to the Catholics of Guam that this persecution is happening. Making the matter worse is Archbishop Apuron's impunity. He doesn't deserve to be a bishop any more than he deserves to be a pastor of souls. He is an insult to Catholicism and a shame for the church.

THE ARCHBISHOP NEEDS TO BE SUED!

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   AnonymousSeptember 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM

   The Archbishop needs to be sued and take account of his deception. The seminary on Guam-- as he had initially promised to gather funds and legitimacy--was built with the idea of forming local priests to serve the local church of Guam. It turns out, as correctly stated above, that it was a ploy. The Archbishop doesn't care about formation of future Catholic priests in the diocese. He cares about the Neo-Catechumenal priesthood!!!! What a farce. If I were on Guam I would definitely organize and link arms with the silent majority of the Catholics who are now being marginalized to demand his resignation. More voice, more noise are needed to be heard. Start by organizing and a signature campaign calling for his prosecution in an ecclesiastical court and civil courts. Make him pay his donors back. After all what he did about the seminary is a violation of Canon Law's "Ad Dantis Intentionem" that rules on the honoring the intention of the donors. People have supported his cause to build a seminary for future Catholic priests serving the archdiocese and not the neo-catechumenal cult. More power and prayers to all those who persevere in this fight.

JOSE M: "THE NCW CLERGY REMAIN OBSTINATE."

Jose M.September 23, 2014 at 1:34 PM

... I cannot find any documents of any instructions or an order of the NCW service . . . no really, you cannot find one. Experiencing the NCW service is very confusing and wanting of clarity. The official statutes state that the instructions of the GIRM of the Roman Rite is to be followed (albeit the exceptions stated in the statutes), but clearly in experiencing one of these services, they are not.

They claim that their intent is good, yet they also remain willingly and willfully in error. Why does it matter? Well, the Church thought it does, that's why there is much documentation on the liturgy. What I cant understand is that even when charitably guided to correct these errors, the NCW, especially the clergy, would rather remain obstinate.

BLOWING UP BRIDGES

Koror-Babeldaob Bridge collapsed, Sep. 26, 1996

I have a moment so I wanted to get back to this:

AnonymousSeptember 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM 

Tim your not building bridges but evidently you are burning bridges. Nuncio suggested this but your the cause of this. I really hope you don't receive the sacraments seriously.

As I noted in the original post of this comment, I believe this is from Fr. Adrian. Here's why.

• Many who know him recognize his persistent misuse of "your" versus "you're". 
• Only the clergy were in the meeting at which the Nuncio said to build bridges. The rest of us weren't invited.
• The threat about my receiving the sacraments is something a neo-priest would say.

But beyond the identity of the commenter, let's deal with this "building bridges" stuff because it has been used several times against me.

• I was not at the meeting, so the directive to "build bridges" was NOT directed at me.
• In fact, it was not directed at any lay person since only clergy were at the meeting.
• The directive to "build bridges" was directed at the rift between Archbishop Apuron and the non-neo clergy and the rift between the non-neo clergy and the neo clergy. 
• The directive was SOLELY directed at the clergy because this was SOLELY a meeting with the clergy. None of us were invited. 
• The above noted rifts had not only been long identified, they have continued to worsen over the years. 
• We know this because of the Georgetown CARA report in 2010 where the problems were assiduously studied and a course of corrective action was outlined.
• We also know from the recording of the meeting that the corrective action outlined in 2010 was NEVER taken.  At the July 14 meeting with the Nuncio, Deacon Bill Hagen said that the "action plan" (CARA report) sits on the shelf."
• Why was the action plan NEVER acted upon? Because Archbishop Apuron had no desire to act on it. He had NO desire to build bridges, mend fences, rebuild relationships, or fix things in general. There can be no other explanation since he is the all-powerful one in this Archdiocese. Only he can make it happen. And only he can keep it from happening. 
• And why does he NOT want to do this? Why does the Archbishop not only NOT begin the building of bridges but seems intent on blowing up what few bridges are left? 

Yet, Fr. Adrian and the Kiko's want to blame a little layman with a blog. How sad is that?

ZOLTAN SPEAKS

My comments are not needed other than to call your attention to the fact that  Zoltan names "Diana" an "authentic source". This is why we believe the kiko's are gnostics and not Catholics. In the Catholic Church, "authentic sources" do not hide behind pseudonyms and secret texts. 

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   ZoltanSeptember 23, 2014 at 7:16 AM

   Okay, Tim, I made it clear for you that I am not talking for the NeoCatechumenal Way, I am walking in the Way, but I am not talking for the Way in any sense! Please, keep this in mind. If you want to learn more from authentic source, please consult Diana, who is well prepared to give you explanation in any part of the NeoCatechumenal practices. She had made it very clear several times how the Presence of Jesus Christ is understood in the Eucharist. It is a Real Presence more than anything.
   
   http://neocatechemunal.blogspot.com/2014/09/an-exercise-in-futility.html?showComment=1411392781726#c6530204565325414108
   
   Having this said, I would share my own take on this particular Catholic teaching. As a scientists, I cannot hold anything true that contradicts science. I believe, most of Jesus' miracles do have explanation by science, if science is properly understood as manifestation of God's law in the nature. God would never contradict God, therefore Jesus would never contradict good and Godly science.
   
   Now, at transubstantiation the texture of bread and wine would not change. This is the real miracle that the Lord still appears real in the consecrated bread and wine. This is the meaning of Real Presence. If you have evidence of textural changes, please present it at once! The fact is that consecrated wine can transfer diseases and consecrated bread can mold if not taken good care of. This is proof that Real Presence would not involve textural changes.
   
   As Psalm 2:10 says: " My flesh also will rest in hope. For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption." Or as written in Acts 2:27: "Moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." This is the Body of Christ.

DO THEY BELIEVE IN THE REAL PRESENCE?

AnonymousSeptember 21, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Tim, I am confused. Recently I saw Msgr. Bibi and told him I've heard that the NCW members do not believe in the Real Presence. He emphatically insisted they do. Other NCW members have insisted that they believe in the Real Presence also. Do they believe in the Real Presence in a different way than the rest of us?

Actually, your question sounds like a set up. Nevertheless, I'll take the challenge.

First I would ask Msgr. Bibi how he knows. Is it because he simply believes they do? Is it because a catechist told him so? Does Msgr. Bibi have a copy of Kiko's 13 volume Catechetical Directory so he can check? 

AND FROM FR. ADRIAN

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   AnonymousSeptember 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM

   Tim your not building bridges but evidently you are burning bridges. Nuncio suggested this but your the cause of this. I really hope you don't receive the sacraments seriously.

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      TimSeptember 21, 2014 at 9:50 AM

      You are right. I am not building bridges. I am burning them. I am burning them because I am doing exactly what the archbishop is doing. Within 10 days of the being told by the delegate to “build bridges”, AAA publicly trashes Monsignor James. Why? Because Giuseppe showed up and told him to. So who does the archbishop respect and obey, the delegate from Rome or Giuseppe, that is to say the Roman Catholic Church or the Neocatechumenal Way?
      
      And the sacraments? Typical Kiko-kook.

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      TimSeptember 21, 2014 at 9:50 AM

      BTW, Adrian. I know that's you.

THE DEVIL IN THE DIOCESE

The account in the following comment is why we need to record at every opportunity. Record every homily from these guys. This is the kind of thing that has to be sent to the Nuncio so he can hear for himself the grave abuse from the pulpit. 

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   AnonymousSeptember 20, 2014 at 1:16 PM

   ...the preacher man talked about the DEVIL! "The devil is present today. Just look at what is happening our diocese. Just look at ISIS!" Was he comparing the problems of our diocese to ISIS? I think so! Talk about beheading....who is beheading whom...preacher man?

So WHAT is happening in our diocese? Here's what's happening in our diocese. People, long abused by this archbishop, are standing up and saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The office of the bishop does not give him the authority to cheat, lie, slander and malign. And people have had enough. 

DISOBEDIENT PRIESTS?

It seems that the words "disobedient priests" has become a regular refrain for our Archbishop, inserting it out of nowhere even into his homilies. The refrain also appears to be regularly repeated by his neo-presbyter defenders, also into their homilies, with the addition of a lecture on how the Archbishop is being persecuted. 

Really?

First, just WHO is disobedient? Fr. Paul was not given a chance to be disobedient. He was asked to resign immediately and if he did not resign immediately, Archbishop Apuron instructed him to "supply your reasons as soon as possible". 

THE RIGHT TO A RITE

The discussion about holding funeral Masses at the Veterans Cemetery chapel has brought several matters to light that can serve as an occasion of instruction. 

There is of course, the central issue of when can a Mass, any Mass, be celebrated outside a "sacred space" and away from a "blessed altar" as church law requires. 

This matter is a central issue in the debate about the Veterans Cemetery ONLY because Archbishop Apuron regularly permits the neocatechumenal communities to celebrate their "eucharist" (Mass) in a variety of generic spaces and on ordinary tables, yet refuses to allow a funeral Mass in the "generic" (non-denominational) chapel at the Veterans Cemetery.  

THE SEE IS VACANT

A Saipan observer noted that yesterday was the 81st birthday of Bishop Tomas Camacho, the former bishop of the Diocese of Chalan Kanoa, Saipan. Bishop Camacho retired on April 6, 2010 and is now "bishop emeritus" of the diocese.

More than four years later, his successor has yet to be named, and the Diocese of Chalan Kanoa remains on the official list of "Vacant Sees". 

Normally, upon (ore even before) the retirement, transfer, or death of a bishop, the process of identifying a successor begins without delay. Apparently, there was such a process. But according to some who are "in the know", it has not only mysteriously stalled, there is no initiative from Rome to even restart it. 

Why?

The "in the know" people say that Saipan will get a new bishop when Guam does, and...Rome has its reasons. The end...maybe.

CLARIFICATION

Patron of the City of Agana : St Ignatius of Loyola (San Ignacio de Loyola)
Patroness of the CHURCH of Agana : Our Lady under the title "Dulce Nombre de Maria" - The Sweet Name of Mary

See: http://paleric.blogspot.com/2011/07/i-patronon-hagatna.html

HELP ME HELP THEM

It is extremely sad to read the last line of this letter, a plea to our archbishop: "Help me help them." The least Archbishop Apuron could have done is respond. However, I understand that he neither replied to this letter nor to the previous letter from Governor Calvo, which was sent in July. If this is incorrect, you are welcome to send evidence of the correct account.

NOTE ON THE NINA MARIA

I was notified by a member of the family who gave the statue of the Nina Maria to the Cathedral for use at this year's novena that they have decided to take it back. I have received many comments about the statue and questions about its origins as well as its reported former use which I have decided not to publish. While devotion to the child Mary is legitimate, given its apocryphal origins it is mostly a matter of private devotion and probably should stay that way. By the way, does anyone know which saint is the actual patron saint of Agana?

A MISSED OPPORTUNITY

This year, the new administration of the Cathedral decided to do something different for its annual devotion to the Sweet Name of Mary. As per a parishioner's report, a statue of the Nina Maria was brought out on the final night of the Novena and the parishioners were informed that the annual devotion to the Cathedral's patroness would heretofore be directed towards a celebration of Mary's childhood.  

According to this comment, Archbishop Apuron offered an explanation:

Anonymous September 14, 2014 at 6:02 PM
The archbishop explained at last night's fiesta mass that the Nina Maria statue had been used for processions before WWII and that a family had donated the statue to the church. And that in the future the statue will be used in processions. He said it is important to remember that Mary was a child first before she was the mother of Jesus. And that we are celebrating Mary's childhood.

KIKO'S HISTORY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

By Chuck White

They say that a picture is worth a thousand words and Kiko Arguello, an artist and the founder of the Neocatechumenal Way, certainly knows how to use them effectively in his teaching. (Continued.)

SORRY TO OFFEND

There was a reason why I said "sorry to offend" when I addressed the issue of removing children from their parents and educating them in the faith in isolation from their family. And I expected to get the replies I am getting. However, I do not intend to engage those replies, for it is not a matter of good or not so good teachers, or good or not so good programs, or whether or not some parents use CCD as a cheap babysitting service, it is a matter of what the Church teaches, and has taught and continues to teach. And I copy here its most recent formulation by a pope:

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OF (SIC) YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN LEAVE

Okay, since this person wants his/her own post, I'll give it to him/her, and reply.

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   AnonymousSeptember 9, 2014 at 10:19 PM

   Tim, nobody is forced to join the NCW. They NCW Is not for everyone, of you don't like it, then leave. Maybe the reason for the other reacting the way she did was because she felt that she would her daughter. Tell me Tim, if one of your kids decides to Join the NCW, how would you react? Please make this a post :)

My reply:

KUAM INTERVIEW WITH THE FAMILY OF MSGR. JAMES BENAVENTE

On THE BUZZ with Jess Lujan, Wednesday, September 10, 2014 Part 1 KUAM.com-KUAM News: On Air. Online. On Demand. Part 2 KUAM.com-KUAM News: On Air. Online. On Demand. Part 3 KUAM.com-KUAM News: On Air. Online. On Demand.


LINKS
Part 1: http://www.kuam.com/category/173022/video-landing-page?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=10570688

Part 2: http://www.kuam.com/category/173022/video-landing-page?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=10570689

Part 3: http://www.kuam.com/category/173022/video-landing-page?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=10570721

CLARIFICATION ON THE CATHOLIC EVIDENCE GUILD OF GUAM

The Catholic Evidence Guild was first organized in England in 1918.  Its most prominent proponent was Frank Sheed (1922-1981)*. The Guild was founded to train lay Catholics to share and defend the Catholic faith, particularly in secular settings. 

In 2003, Dr. Robert Morgan, a Navy Captain, a physician, and a friend of Archbishop Apuron, founded a chapter of the Catholic Evidence Guild on Guam with Archbishop Apuron's blessing. The concern at the time was the proliferation of non-Catholic Christian churches on Guam and Dr. Morgan's desire to counter the exodus of Catholics to these other churches by giving "clear and compelling" reasons to be Catholic, as is the mission of the Catholic Evidence Guild. 

When Dr. Morgan left Guam in 2004, Chuck White took over the administration of the Guild. Other than maintaing an informational website and hosting a conference in 2005, the Guild is not active and does not have a membership.

*Frank Sheed wrote dozens of good books, but here are three that give particularly good explanations of the truths of the Catholic Faith:

1. A Map of Life, 1933
2. Theology for Beginners, 1957
3. Theology and Sanity, 1946

All three are currently still in print.

RIGHT NOW

Jesse Lujan interviews relatives of Msgr. James on The Buzz. KUAM

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

LUCKY INARAJAN

You get TWO Parochial Administrators. That's not canonically legal, but hey, who cares, right?

ISAIAS SAYS:

Isaias GinsonSeptember 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM

What B said is true, my community finished the Way two years ago after 32 years. I left after 22 years, i had enough of so much BS along the way. As itinerant catechists change, it was doubly difficult to just be Obedient, because they contradict each other in their scrutinies. Good job B. Hope to meet with you as i did stop at Reditio myself.

WHO SAYS THEY DON'T READ JUNGLEWATCH? UPDATED

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MY OWN MOTHER TELLS ME THAT I AM FOLLOWING THE DEVIL

b_____@___.com>

4:30 PM (3 hours ago)

to JungleWatch.in. 

Dear Tim, 

I don't really know how to start this email,  so I guess I will let you know who I am and how I happened upon your site.  My name is B___,  I'm 30 plus years old and I've been exposed to the neocatechumenal way from the age of 3 (when my mother joined). I attended my first catechesis at the age of 12 and "walked" in a "community" up to the step of redditio, with a few breaks along the way. I'm extremely happy to say that I no longer "walk", and haven't done for the last 2 years. It was through a wonderful friend with a beautiful, solid faith, and a great love for the Catholic Church, that I've been able to see, and know for certain the many wrongs that have been inflicted on me and many, many others. 

I'm sure,  by what you have written,  that you have an extensive knowledge of the psychological damage and the theological manipulation that is taking place in the communities and how expertly it is done.  It sickens me to realize,  looking back,  that my logic and reason where non existent and that I blindly and enthusiastically handed this over to the catechists. Me,  like so many others,  grew up in the neocatechumenal way,  not having a true understanding of what the church teaches and being robbed of thought and right judgment.  It saddens me too think that so many people in "the way" will never have the opportunity to see and feel the true beauty of the church and God's infinite love.

I feel truly blessed to have the support that I do,  and I thank you for the part that you are playing in my "rehabilitation". It makes me want to vomit when I read and listen to what is happening in Guam, and what makes it worse is that I know these people truly believe that they are doing the right thing,  that they are"chosen", and that everybody else is deceived by the devil. 

My own mother tells me that I am following the devil and that I'm destroying my children because I no longer go to the community. It doesn't matter that I go to Mass at least twice a week, pray with them daily and send them to catholic schools. In her eyes,  the neocatechumenal way is the only way. My mother is now at the step of the election,  which is the final step. My father doesn't "walk". Since I can remember,  my mother has blamed my father for everything that goes wrong in the family because he refuses to walk. She has often told him that she wishes that he would die,  that he is no good, that he is not a man and that she hates him. It's no wonder that I now feel so free being away from that sort of negativity.  

I could go on and on about the negative impact the neocatechumenal way has had on my life, but I don't think I would ever get this email sent,  and I think it's very important that I do. Many people who leave the neocatechumenal way dare not speak out because they are scared to,  I no longer wish to be fearful. 

Thank you again for bringing these things to light and for confirming many of my queries. 

May God bless you always. 

Kindest regards

B___

ISN'T THERE A ZERO-TOLERANCE POLICY FOR BISHOPS TOO?

I was cleaning off my desk and I came across this again. I was about to file it away when something struck me.

In this statement, Archbishop Apuron directly infers that his removing of Fr. Wadeson "from active and public ministry" is directly related to his policy "regarding sexual misconduct". 

In my initial post about Fr. Wadeson, I only referred to the existing reports and even stated that the claims against Fr. Wadeson may be "false allegations". However, Archbishop Apuron makes no such claim or defense of Fr. Wadeson. He removes Fr. Wadeson from ministry in accordance with his sexual misconduct policy, effectively bolstering the existing allegations against Fr. Wadeson.

BUT THEN...

Archbishop Apuron helps Fr. Wadeson disappear! How's that? Really? Isn't that what all those bishops in the states were being sued for a couple of years ago...helping problem priests disappear? How does helping Fr. Wadeson disappear correlate with taking "these matters very seriously?"

Fr. Wadeson may in fact be innocent of any allegations of sexual misconduct. (Personally, I hope he is.) But Archbishop Apuron, after effectively accusing him of sexual misconduct by removing him from ministry and then helping him disappear, is now the object of MISCONDUCT. 

Isn't their a zero-tolerance policy for bishops too? Joelle Casteix (SNAP) recently began following me on Twitter. Maybe she'll know.

Suggestion to Clergy and Religious: The next time Archbishop Apuron drags you in to read off the charges against Msgr. James and/or Fr. Paul, or anyone else for that matter, ask him to explain his own conduct in helping a priest he treated as a sex offender to disappear. 

KIKO’S PASSOVER PROBLEM, PART II

Note: This post might have been overlooked since it was posted on a particularly busy day. So reposting. Educate yourself. Stop just opposing the Neo because they are taking over your churches or messing up your personal life. Start to understand the dangers in Kiko's theology which is the real root of the problem. 

by Chuck White

In my previous post, “Kiko’s Passover Problem, Part I”, I showed that Kiko Arguello deforms the meaning of the Last Supper and Jesus’s death by stripping the sacrificial element out of the Jewish Passover of first century Palestine.  This causes a problem for Kiko because  Jesus considered himself to be the sacrificial Lamb of the New Passover, as did the inspired authors of the New Testament.

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JUST FOR FUN

A SAMPLE OF WHAT I WAKE UP TO DAILY

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "YOU ARE CORRECT":
Tim Rohr is Diana. 

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "NOTE: NO MORE DIANA": 
Tim you're a big fat lair.... Laughing my ass off... Your gonna burn in the lake of fh Fire 

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "NOTE: NO MORE DIANA":
Yo Tim you and you're family get the fuck out of this island. 


Ah yes. The price of standing up to the Archbishop.

YOU ARE CORRECT

I received the following:

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "HOW APPROPRIATE!":  

Tim, I was at the meeting of Pastors, Parochial Administrators, Rectors of Churches and Women Religious Representatives on Sept. 3, 2014 at 10:00 am. Atty Jacqueline Terlaje indeed gave a Preliminary Financial Review of the Cemetery and Cathedral-Basilica. But, I don't remember anybody standing up and saying about Msgr. James' absence and much more stopping Atty Jackie's report. 

First, I want to thank you for the professional way you approached this. You are correct. The question about why this information was being presented by a particular person was not done publicly, but privately. I relied on a source for the incident that is normally reliable, so I didn't double check in this particular instance. Normally I do. I just learned this a few hours ago. The post has been taken down and will be amended. 

What I have verified though, and perhaps you can verify also, is that at the joint meeting with the Presbyteral Council and the College of Consultors, there was a general question by those present as to why this information about Msgr. James was being presented to them and what it was that they were supposed to do about it. I was told that there was no answer. 

If that is not a correct account, please correct it. For the real issue here still seems to remain: What is the purpose of reporting this information about the Cemeteries and the Cathedral? And what does the Archbishop want the respective councils, pastors and religious to do about it?

And then there's still the big one: Why hasn't Monsignor James himself been given a chance to respond to the allegations that are now being made to everyone else? In fact, why has he not even been given a list of the charges in writing? 

Thank you for your help. 

NEW COMMENT FORMAT

Only allows the newest comment to be posted at the bottom instead of the replies to individual comments. If you want to reply to a comment you will need to reference the comment in yours. Time and date is the usual way to reference since most are posted as anonymous. Rather than anonymous, try using a pseudonym for easier reference.

Ok. Never mind. Old format wins out. I don't think blogger was designed to handle so many comments.

NOTE: NO MORE DIANA

From now on, let's no longer refer to "Diana" when using the reference on this blog. "Diana" is (Fr.) Edivaldo (pastor of Chalan Pago parish) and his girls, headed up by Holly Leon Guerrero.

They have been a tight little group for over a decade. Their little charade is truly pathetic and a serious source of shame to the Catholic Church, and particularly to the priesthood.

More so, they have brought shame and disgrace on the people in the Neocatechumenal Way who are not kiko's like they are.

That they continue to hide behind a pseudonym says much about their gross lack of integrity and their disease of soul. In fact, I would prefer if you would no longer drag their infection over to this blog.

Thanks. 

FROM FR. EFREN

Tim,

Looks like this story took off on its own.  Precisely an indication of how effectively Chamorros reach out when they hear of someone in need.  During the clergy retreat last year I happened to mention to Msgr James my predicament so he immediately contacted Mr. Jerry Calvo (Select Care) by fax which he approved right away.  Mr. Calvo was quoted as saying, "we have to take care of Pale'".  He did not renege on his company's commitment to healthcare, and on his authority to make decisions.  He had command responsibility and acted swiftly.  Something that is not evident in how leaders in the Archdiocese deals with matters.  There is no backbone, no sense of urgency and no accountability, just a mad desire to eviscerate anyone they deem undesirable to their cause.

Msgr James can get things done because he nurtures relationship, his is not a one-way traffic friendship, he does not use people to further his goals, people see a need and they volunteer time, talent and treasure which comes from trusting their "leader and friend."  He uses things and loves people, not vice-versa.  In Manila, Fr Mike dropped me off after visiting with Deacon Fred who was at a care facility.  He shook my hand and I didn't realize  he pressed something into my palm.  When he left, I saw he had left 12 crisp one thousand peso bills ($300) which was equivalent of a one-month budget coming from my savings.  I nearly cried right there, not so much for the money but because someone cared enough to know I was struggling.  I am not good in asking for personal needs.

I do want to make this very clear:  it is not about me...I am fine and right now gainfully employed. Thank you for the concern of many but let us focus on the bigger issues at hand, we have a diocese in disarray.  Thanks to the incisive research and documentation of "this" blog, and the informed opinions of our sensus fidelium, we have brought vital matters to the fore.  The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Agana has become a laughingstock both locally and internationally.  The road is inescapable:  leadership has to put things right and to do their part in bringing this debacle to a reasonable solution. If they cannot or will not, I pray that they stay out of our way so we can start the long healing process.  Meanwhile  I plan to stay off the Kool Aid.  

Father Efren Adversario

In Arduis Fideli

WT_? CALL BARRIGADA????

http://www.aganaarch.org/

YOU HAVE BROKEN OUR HEARTS

If you are unable to view the following document here to download a full copy in PDF. (Find an alternate copy below if you have trouble reading this one.)

2014.09.05-Letter From Family of Msgr James

FROM JANET B, WITH LOVE.

I normally wouldn't make a post of a comment by Janet B. She's way too edgy and uses surly nicknames that I'm not quite ready to use. But she makes a good point in this comment. If Archbishop Apuron did not see to the health care coverage for Fr. Efren, then as his Ordinary, he would still be responsible for his medical bills. Looks like he'll be sending a check to Fr. Matthew Blockley. 

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