Tuesday, August 5, 2014

SO, THIS GUY WANTS HIS OWN POST (pretty sure this is AAA)

NOTE (Aug. 5, 8:43 AM): Since I first posted this yesterday  I have had several emails from people close to the Archbishop saying that the comments are his. This was also my first thought, especially when he recounted how much he was disliked from the beginning of his episcopal appointment with several intimate hints at who his then competition was. 

However, I first dealt with his challenge as I do every other anonymous challenge. But the following two responses really deepened my suspicions. Had he not asked for his comments to be made a post on my "Home Page" his comments might have lain buried in the hundreds of other comments that make their way onto this blog every couple of days. But he asked that I post "our ENTIRE dialogue...where others can see it." And he capitalized ENTIRE. Once posted it has caught the attention of several people who know him well and they began notifying me that this was the Archbishop. Here is one particular comment doing so. In this comment, the concerned person urges those close to the Archbishop to help him. I seriously hope they do. SOON. 


Whether or not this is actually from the Archbishop, I do not wish the Archbishop ill. I oppose his actions and I back my opposition with facts. The real criminals in this are the people I have fingered since the beginning - the people to whom the Archbishop is useful, and who even strong-armed him on what was then possibly his deathbed in 2011 to sign over the Yona property. To those of you who want to come after me, you need to start seriously looking at the people who are using the Archbishop. I have no power but this little blog. All the power resides with the Archbishop...AND THOSE WHO USE HIM, and will discard him when he is no longer useful. 

Here is the beginning of the post I did yesterday (with the addition of  the first entry which I had missed previously.) And also, since we are now quite sure this is from Archbishop Apuron, we can easily see the self references.

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Anonymous here - they're always anonymous - requests:

"...can you put our ENTIRE dialogue (8/03-8/04) where others can see it? (Like on the Home Page so people won't have to scroll through comments to find our conversation."

So here it is. I will only highlight certain things for now so you can read it plainly for yourself. I'll have some comments later. The poor guy certainly does have it in for Filipino priests though.




  • "As soon as they were released they went to the community and told them everything the chief priests and elders had said to them. When they heard it they lifted up their voice to God with one heart. "Master," they prayed, 'it is you who made sky and earth and sea, and everything in them; it is you who said through the Holy Spirit and speaking through our ancestor David, your servant:
    Why this roar among the nations,
    this impotent muttering of the peoples?

    Kings on earth take up position,
    princes plot together
    against the Lord and his Anointed.
    'This is what has come true in this very city (on this very island) Herod and Pontius Pilot (a man in search of the truth) plotted together with the gentile nations(media) and the peoples of Israel, against your holy servant Jesus whom you anointed, to bring about the very thing that you in your strength and your wisdom had predetermined should happen. And now, Lord, take note of their threats and help your servants to proclaim your message with fearlessness, by stretching out your hand to heal and work miracles and marvels through the name of your holy servant Jesus.' As they prayed, the house where they were assembled rocked. From this time they were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to proclaim the word of God fearlessly. Acts 4:23-31
    I give thanks to the Lord, I have a Pastor who is still Catholic, who encourages us to keep our alliance with the Archbishop, "the Anointed" (whether you like him or not-I encourage to read St. Maxilian Kolbe on obedience from the Office of Readings) All of this turmoil is very "PROTEST"ANT. When all is said and done what will remain of the Neocatechumenal Way and "Rohr and his followers" (as stated in the PDN)?...HERE'S WHAT...there will remain "ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH"
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  • Obviously you know NOTHING of the history of the Catholic Church. Purging it of heretics is quite common. And purging it of corrupt clergy has always been the work of the laity. Bye.
  • Tim (August 4, 2014 at 5:21AM)
    'For I tell you, if your uprightness does not surpass that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never get into the kingdom of Heaven. Mt 5:20
    The law, the LAW, THE LAW. It is clear you know alot about alot and you make it known. You even have followres (I mispelled on purpose so you can make a 9th Grade come back on my spelling) now, imagine that "Rohrbots"? English should be a second language on this island but unfortunately we are not learning our first language, so the ESL comment you ALWAYS use....really? (just saying) Before the NCW came to our island people were leaving the churches because they vomit 'the Law" which is shoved down their throats...they are given "the Law" of Jesus Christ minus His love and mercy. The greatest turn off to the church many times? The people in it, unfortunately. God, give us the grace to convert to this love and mercy you have so exemplified in your Son Jesus Christ. We can get through this more like a Tony Diaz than a Tim Rohr though. We can get through this as Catholics not Rotestants (theres another mispell for you) Oh and before you make the comment about me staying "anonymous" it doesn't matter who I am, or what I say...even if I were a Pope, a Bishop, a Cardinal....only God can change your hardened heart and closed ears at this point (and all those with the same sentiment as yours like Chuck White and the like. All who have this arrogance and sword of the Law and pride...'like that of the scribes and Pharisees') As St. Paul says though, we can control our tongue which flaps what is in our hearts. Let's use the sword of the Spirit instead. (and please don't come back with "THE LAW" of Scripture on me, let's start from Jesus Christ and the New Commandement He enjoins on us....of LOVE which the Lord wants ALL MEN to discover) even us in the Church. Bye
  • Well that was nice and hateful. BTW, who has been bishop since 1986, long before the neo's showed up? And people were leaving the church? Because of whom? Who was the bishop? But really, be a Christian and comes and see me. Bring another. Just like the bible says.
  • [The fact that Archbishop Apuron had been bishop for 20 years before before the neo showed up during which, as anonymous points out, "our island people were leaving the churches because they vomit 'the Law" which is shoved down their throats" seems to have escaped him.]


  • Where to find you? No hate intended just touching on some of your own contributions to this blog. Continue on....I will not bother in reading this anymore once I get your reply and look forward to seeing you. Bye!
  • Pretty difficult to not imagine "hateful" with names like Rohrbots and Rotestants being thrown around. But email me at junglewatch.info@gmail.com Use your real name. BTW, have you had this same talk with the Archbishop? I can't change a thing. But he can.
  • (Tim August 4, 2014 2:36PM)
    "You have already been told what is right and waht the Lord wants of you. Only this, to do what is right, 
    to love loyalty and to walk humbly with ou God" Micah 6:8
    Since I haven't got your reply yet, where to find you. Since 1986 there was already a problem with excepting who the Lord chose as His Anointed and the lack of respect and obedience. Perhaps the real problem is the lack of vocations locally and the Filipino priests who all came here, dropped their clerics and fell in love with Uncle Sam choosing another Master? Or maybe among the local priests from Capuchins to Diocesan alike who all thought someone else (much more qualified, older or I don't know what should have been chosen) or that they themselves should have been the rightful choice. What we all need to accept is God chooses whom He chooses and does as He pleases. This goes for how some have never really accepted the Second Vatican Council and the changes the Spirit brought about from it. I don't know really, I know how the clergy and lay people alike (heard it myself) have talked so terribly about this Archbishop. What ever the Lord makes possible from here, the ROOT of the problem will be the same because the problem is not the Archbishop...it is the hearts of men. BUT, there is a Good News! Someone can give us victory over this situation and in whatever way we discover this TRUTH...whether we find it through the NCW, the Legion of Mary, Cursillio, Latin Mass, El Shaddai...whatever path leads us to Christ and His Church...."Let It Be Done Unto Me According To Thy Word" May our boloved Mother Mary be our true example through all this and may She, "pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death." Bye and look forward to meeting you.
  • My reply and contact info is above. But certainly doesn't sound like you are interested in reconciliation. I have no problem with who God selected as bishop if that's how you want to put it, but bishops are removed for a variety of reasons as are priests. And just as Fr. Paul was removed because of complaints against him - or so said the archbishop - so can Archbishop Apuron be removed because of complaints against him. Bad bishops have been with us from the beginning.
  • (Tim August 4, 2014 3:13PM) Sorry, didn't see your reply wanted to pray in this hour of mercy...
    Um I don't want to email, you asked to meet...where to find you? Rotestants was a mispell (for your spelling neurosis) and Rohrbots vs. Kikobots isn't that what you call them? One last request can you put our ENTIRE dialogue (8/03-8/04) where others can see it? (Like on the Home Page so people won't have to scroll through comments to find our conversation...we need some voice of reason not entirely Kikobot and not entirely Rohrbot. If you would so kindly do this service for the Catholic Church on Guam) so then the REAL root of the problem can start being attacked and not the scapegoats...there sure are alot of them huh? Ah and alas, forgive me, we do have some holy, reverent Filipino priests...a few (who don't talk badly about the Archbishop or their Pastors for that matter..some are exceptionally unruly and disobedient....at their Filipino Priests Only breakfast and secret meetings (not in clerics).in late night filipino karaoke bars...(sorry, but I've seen them.) Release the goats, a Lamb has been slaughterd and He will defeat the enemy here, 'namely the devil,' He 2:14
    Hope to see you soon, as you requested. Perhaps I'll greet you with 'a holy kiss' (just open St. Paul....you'll find it all over from Acts to....)Perhaps I'll ask a neocancer how it is done just to place more hot coals....praying for you all!) Please post okay? You have this power. I won't care the comments nor respond til I meet you face to face but please SOMEBODY call BLACK what is BLACK! Bye. So long jungle watch, last REPLY from me. I will check to see if you honored my request for Home Page Status even just for a day or two...but REPLY? Not. Forgive me, who am I? A CONCERNED CATHOLIC...not all of us feel the way you all do about His Excellency Most Reverend Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron , OFM Cap., D.D. Metropolitan Archbishop of Agana........Biba Archbishop! Let's all sing...'Atan Jesu Cristo'........
  • Dear Anonymous. I gave you me email so I could privately arrange a meeting with you. But since you want everything to be on this page and public, please leave your full name, your real one, and your phone number so I can call you and arrange a meeting. And what is it with you and the Filipino priests? Looking forward to seeing your name and number on this page. I did my part. Now you do yours.
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    1. Another "fruit cake",

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    2. Sounds drunk. I wouldnt meet him.

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    3. Scary Tim! It sounds like a raving lunatic wanting to get you.

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    4. All show, no go! Another frustrated, brainwashed Kikobot. He realizes his world is crumbling around him and is in denial. Careful with this one Tim, could be Desoto kind.

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    5. Tim, please delete this trash. Keep it for evidence for later but he had no right to be Featured on his own page. Only serious matters should be discussed. Couldn't read through all the NeoCancer stuff anyways.

      Oh about Filipino priests deemed insubordinate, Tanga! Tumigil ka nga, ignoranteng ipis!

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    6. Hmm...not someone who wants meaningful dialogue. If this "Anonymous" had the courage of his convictions, he should make his name known. Not proud to be a Neo? Not proud to own his hateful words? In that case, not to betaken seriously. He obviously spies on priests as he states he's seen them in karaoke bars. Or has he unknowingly admitted that he's a double-agent-- a Neo posing as a non-Neo spying on priests outside the "Wayward."
      Well, Tim, you have shown a willingness to meet. He has refused.
      He must be someone recognizable so he can't (not just won't) come forward. Yikes!!! Could it be? Dare I speculate that it might be AAA himself???
      Eileen Benavente-Blas

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      1. Exactly my thought, Eileen. He seems to be able to recount the arch's history back to 1986 quite well and refers to things regarding his becoming bishop that only a few would know. If it is, then it's quite funny how he speaks of "the greatest turn off to the church" as if it's someone else.

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    7. Sounds like a depraved pedophile.

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    8. Oh Anonymous for Aug. 4, 2014 (times: 2:34, 3:21, & 4:23pm), How can you use scripture Bible citations and then turn around and without having to say it, call us infidels to the Neo Way and disobedient to AAA. Sounds more Protestant than Catholic to me. Do you know how splintered the Protestant groups are? You and your Neo-Cats can splinter among yourselves but DO NOT take our Catholic Church with you when you do! Stop showboating your simple minded "Sola Scriptura" and give Tim and the public your real name.Tim is a patient person and I. like he, will give what I need to deliver at the right time. Each time you Neo-Cats try to defend AAA and each other (yes, Diana too!), you stumble all over yourselves. Did not know Barnum and Bailey Circus was in the villages (here is the link to their tour just in case you want to be part of it: http://www.ringling.com/TourSchedule.aspx). Did you receive sound theological study and research? Doesn't the phrase "History repeats itself" sink in? Did you know (i'm sure you would have if you had sound church history courses and instructors) that there were MANY corrupt Bishops and Popes in our time? One was even dug up and sentenced? Did you need me to look that one up for you or do you have sound church history to tell what era in our Church history this was from? Well, let me save you some research trouble. It was called the Cadaver Synod in 1870. Chew on that for a bit. Guilt, lies,, "illusions", hypocrisy and the blind leading the blind. What a neat package. Doesn't this sound familiar of our current leadership or lack thereof? Get drug tested for the safety of the public and yourself. Throw in a psychological evaluation too! Who knows, you may be able to get a multi-rate discount at the looney lab at the Department of Mental Health. Know where I can get a good pair of Ray Bans?I have to wear sun glasses because your mind just shines so bright with stupidity.

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    9. Just confirmed this is from Apuron. Many people recognized him. Also explains why he didn't respond to my inquiry about who was bishop since 1986.

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      1. Really, you should stay out of the Jungle. It appears to be the cause of a fever.

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      2. Welcome, Archbishop Tony. A little steamy in the Jungle. The AC is broken. Sorry if it is uncomfortable for you. This is so exciting. Do not be afraid we are here to help you. Because you really need it.

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      3. Shame on him! I can imagine him gleefully tapping away at his computer, his beady little eyes glazed over...
        Eileen Benavente-Blas

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    10. If it is our good ole Archbishop who wrote this message to you then bye golly he really is Looney Tunes!!!! I do find it a bit cute how he keeps ending his tirade with "BYE!" and then he starts talking again. Then he says something of the effect of "OK I'M REALLY GOING NOW. BYE!" It's so bizarre! And then he goes "OK I'M REALLY GOING NOW. BUT I'll JUST POP IN AGAIN JUST TO CHECK IF YOU GRANTED MY REQUEST" ....."OK BYE FOR REALS" It's really cute in a deranged bishop kind of way. And by the way, since when was priests going to breakfast together and congregating in a karaoke bar such a hellish offense? It's not like they were at a strip joint makin it rain $$$$$ and getting spanked. Another peculiarity that lends itself to being the Archbishop himself commenting is he really really paid attention to getting his entire title typed out. I guess he doesn't realize most people wouldn't care to write out that entire title like that. He's probably gotten used to typing it out all these years.

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      1. It is certainly wise decision on his part not to write his own homilies. If this is a sample of his composition, then we have been spared. I hope his closer circle can stop thinking of themselves and realize Tony is in desperate need of help. Needs an intervention before it is too late. Pay attention to him. You will be responsible. Selfish creeps.

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      2. Vladimir Putin....counting on passivity to succeed. Sound Familiar. Such strategy.

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      3. Yes, the fact that he wrote out his whole title is proof that he is AAA. Who else would bother? Only a megalomaniac, that's who...
        Eileen Benavente-Blas

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    11. The scary thing for me -- if this really is Apuron -- is that he wanted this conversation given its own post; as if he very much thought his words provided a clear and cogent defense of the Archbishop and the NCW, rather than (as perceived by any sane person) variously: demonstrably false, self-serving, pedantic, racist, pathetic, desperate and slightly lunatic.

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    12. Read it out loud, sounds like Tony Apuwrong. Compare to his homilies and the KOLG interviews. Plus, he says he might even greet you with a holy kiss. If it's Tony, and I'm very confident it is, he can holy kiss my ass.

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      1. AnonymousAugust 5, 2014 at 5:48 AM why don't you post it with your real name? How dare you! Disrespectful bastard. Here's my real name.

        Roque Sablan. Agat Town

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      2. Oh dear, guess people are getting fired up. Like I said, post your name if you don't want to be identified as being the Archbishop. I surely wouldn't want my name tagged on to his.

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    13. Tony, are you binge drinking? Wallowing in you sorrow? Put down the pills.

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    14. That writing sounds a wanna be neo priest saying his homily. Bye.

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    15. I have known the man since his high school days. This is our Archbishop. At one point he was a very clear thinker, very pastoral, and very thoughtful.
      To those he is close to he can still be a thoughtful man. Unfortunately, he is very introverted and has drawn away from most. Perhaps that is why the Neo is so attractive to him...they go out of the way to coddle him, to lavish attention upon him, and to holy kiss his @$$.
      And in return he lavishes attention upon the Neo, and as Archbishop he has all the means to lavish this attention.
      But today, as evidenced in the above ramblings and rantings, our Archbishop, the Most Reverend Anthony Sablan Apuron, OFM Cap., D.D., Metropolitan Archbishop of Agana, has totally lost touch with reality. Yes, this is the Archbishop above, and it should serves as a clear sign that something terribly wrong has happened to his mental state.
      The Nuncio will also see that this is the man who is supposed to lead the people of Guam to God. The Nuncio is a smart man and he has taken a real interest in the people of Guam because he now sees the struggles we have faced for quite some time, and he will help. As for our Archbishop, somebody with true psychological background should evaluate him. I doubt he is actually a physical danger to the people he contacts with, but he is a true danger to the spiritual side of the faithful. More importantly, he is a sick man and he needs help. A true professional, who will keep the proper treatment confidential and out of public view is needed for him.
      Archbishop, please read this with an open heart, and seek help.
      A concerned friend.

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      1. AnonymousAugust 5, 2014 at 7:54 AM why don't you go to Diana's blog and see the real person is before making a statement you know the Archbishop. Oh yes it's true!

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      2. No need, his IP address shows the proof. Sorry but there is no such persona as Melanie San Agustin as Diana claims, made up the new story cause he got outed(no pun intended)

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      3. Anon 10:51PM Cut your crap out okay. There is such a person. Yes, she is a member of the NCW. Yes, she is part of the Parish of St. Anthony/St. Victor.

        I am not is the "Way" but when truth needs to be laid out on the line as the people who did yesterday then I will back this person. Sorry to say, but you my friend really ought to take the back seat for a while and air your brains out!

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      4. After today, this discussion doesn't matter anymore.

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      5. Here's the thing though....yes Melannie San Agustin is a real person BUT, many of us know her and she's actually an articulate person, so though maybe the earlier posts of the original thread could've been her, the post with the incoherent Filipino-bashing, writing broken sentences in the later exchanges clearly was NOT her, especially not with her background and personality. She would never attack any priest of any culture. Clearly she is being used as a sacrificial lamb to cover for that incoherent post in the thread which now really must've been AAA.

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      6. Yes. That's a good observation. The first couple of entries are mostly just quoting scripture. But then it gets radically incoherent. Plus, there's no way to tell in the comments where the dialogue actually begins w anyone person. I started the dialogue where the second person said to start it, but he could very well have just piggy backed on the earlier thread. Anyway, given what AAA has actually said and signed and has now been proven false and even malicious, ther is no longer any need to speculate about this one.

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      7. And really, Melanie wants to take the credit for Filipino bashing??

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      8. I stand by what I said. There is no Melanie. I'm a San Agustin and we are a small family compared to Blas, Taitano, Cruz, Unpingco, Sablan, Reyes, and especially one with 12 kids. I know former members of the Way in the Tamuning community 1 and 2. I'll ask them but I can assure you they will say no one exists I'll ask the Sablans, Quans, Untalans. More lies. How sad.

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      9. This "Melanie" decided to use her name and even described her family. What a poor decision if "she" was indeed the author of the deplorable comments.

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    16. Excellency, I am praying that the Lord will bless you with the inner ear to listen to the people in the pews of the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC , AND APOSTOLIC Church on Guam and not to the"Kiko=wanabe-Pope" from Spain and new Jersey. Jes of Chalan pago.

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    17. i almost feel bad for the archbishop now. he truly has lost it. sold his soul, lost his mind, hardened his heart. fortunately for him and the rest of us, our LORD is a very forgiving one, and he can still have a place in Eternity. but on this earth, on this island, the time for him to step down is now. what he has done to his flock and his priests are irreparable. save the rest of us by stepping down, archbishop.

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    18. yep, Guam has had enough. People deserve better.
      People asking for a non neo bishop to lead us.

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      1. What you need Tim Rohr to be your Bishop

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      2. 9:37 PM By all means praise and sanctify the honor of the Archbishop. Remember that you too will answer during the final judgment for not acknowledging that fact that he was wrong in doing what he did.

        He has always hid behind the cloth and had people do his dirty work.

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      3. At this point anyone is better than Apuron Quitugua and cristobal.

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    19. After reading the postings of Anonymous August 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM; Anonymous August 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, 3:21 PM, and 4:23 PM, I’m inclined to believe that it is actually Archbishop Apuron and this would be very disturbing. The composition and content of his writing appear to be show a man who demonstrates an impaired thought process. I had a very difficult time following what this individual (AAA) was trying to say because he came across as being very incoherent and disconnected. I also found indications of delusional and paranoid thinking in his presentation and a narcissistic self-image. Sadly, if this is the Archbishop, I’m afraid he may or already has suffered an emotional breakdown and requires immediate mental health intervention and treatment. Many of the previous postings have brought out laymen’s descriptions of disturbed thinking, i.e., “Sounds drunk. I wouldnt meet him,” “Scary Tim! It sounds like a raving lunatic wanting to get you,” “Get drug tested for the safety of the public and yourself. Throw in a psychological evaluation too,!” “If it is our good ole Archbishop who wrote this message to you then bye golly he really is Looney Tunes!!!!” The most poignant observation, however, comes from Anonymous August 5, 2014 at 7:54 AM, who states that he has known the Archbishop since his high school days and describes a man who has gone from being “a very clear thinker, very pastoral, and very thoughtful” to a man who is “very introverted and has drawn away from most.” Anonymous August 5, 2014 at 7:54 AM, also states, “But today, as evidenced in the above ramblings and rantings, our Archbishop, the Most Reverend Anthony Sablan Apuron, OFM Cap., D.D., Metropolitan Archbishop of Agana, has totally lost touch with reality.

      As a Mental Health Professional with over 30 years of professional clinical practice, it is my clinical appraisal that our Archbishop has reached the point to where he is no longer mentally competent to continue in his role as the Spiritual Leader and Sheppard of the Catholic faithful on Guam. I truly believe that in his current state of mind, he is incapable of exercising sound judgment and unbiased and objective reasoning. He clearly appears to be in the strong clutches of the NCW hierarchy which is directing his actions and behavior and has done so for a very long time. As Anonymous August 5, 2014 at 7:54 AM further points out, “Perhaps that is why the Neo is so attractive to him...they go out of the way to coddle him, to lavish attention upon him, and to holy kiss his @$$. And in return he lavishes attention upon the Neo, and as Archbishop he has all the means to lavish this attention.”

      Archbishop Apuron has been under the strong and extreme influence of Kiko and his Neo-Cats that he has no way out and doesn’t believe he has done anything wrong. As a very devout and entrenched member of the NCW, Apuron truly believes that whatever action he takes in exercising his autocratic authority is in service of righteous moral conduct against the “Judases” who oppose him. This is not likely to change and, therefore, Apuron has to be removed either on his own volition or by Rome. At this point, it does not appear that Apuron will resign and so continued attention and focus on his deteriorating and failing leadership will have to be strongly illuminated and brought to the attention of Rome. This may take considerable time and a very disheartening effort, but it is a necessity to save our true One, Apostolic and Catholic Church.

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      1. let's not forget "Holy".
        And while I agree with what you say, how can you make a diagnosis without having interviewed the man?
        If you are a psychologist/psychiatrist, signing your name would carry much more weight, especially with Rome!
        you may be like me and have to remain anonymous for fear of retribution, so I can understand that!

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    20. Wow. 957 now that's a post that deserves home page placement so that everyone can see. Also we need to spread word abt the petition

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    21. Father Matthew Blockey.August 7, 2014 at 2:11 AM

      9.57pm I believe you are right. This has been on my mind for 14 years.

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