Tuesday, November 4, 2014

A NEW TWIST

Imagine a bishop from another country, who recruits one or more of our local boys away from Guam for service in his diocese. 

He takes them away. 

And then after he ordains them, brings them back to Guam to show them off to the diocese he stole them from. 

And AAA is proud of that? 

Sort of gives a new twist to the "ladrones" label. 

42 comments:

  1. Actually, seminarians are chosen by lottery for distribution to Redemptoris Mater seminaries around the world in a ceremony called "the Merkabah". You can read more about it on the "Osservatorio sul Cammino Neocatecumenale - secondo verita" blog here. Seminarians are commodities to be parceled out to Bishops that comply with the sect.

    "Merkabah", is a word transliterated from Hebrew and literally means "chariot", but most often refers to the chariot of God seen in visions, e.g. Ezekiel 1. "Merkabah" is also the name of a school of early Jewish mysticism.

    Anyway, the Merkabah lottery sounds more like divination than discernment. Where's the prayerful consideration of mission and the preparatory study of language and culture?

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    1. The missionary families are by lottery also!

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    2. Guam has become a welfare state to the missionary families. They take our money, live off our people, give nothing to this community, and we do not need them. They are an added financial burden on the archdiocese and need to leave. They steal our money, eat our food, destroy our culture and faith, divide people, and manifest total evil. And tony allowed all this for his own personal financial gain.

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    3. @ 3:17pm, you're over the top. We don't need them, but "manifest total evil"?

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    4. Dear anon at 6.21,
      so you think that anon at 3.17 is "over the top".
      Have you ever thought about what the Archbishop and his two stooges, under the direction of the Man in the Hotel, Pius the Sam nut and all the leaders of the NCW have done to this Island and its Church?
      I won't even mention the evil done in other places, in order to remain focused on our issues.
      You don't think the way they have treated Fr Paul and Msgr James is total evil?
      You don't think that kidnapping and beating a priest and threatenning to kill him is total evil?
      You don't think syphonning moneys from the faithful under false pretense and use said moneys to further an anti-Catholic agenda is total evil?
      You don't think trying to accaparate the property on Yona which has been paid by the faithful to create a regular seminary, and not a brain washing facility, is total evil?

      Then what is it going to take for you to realize you are facing evil? That they beat you up as well and steele your own earthly possession?
      Wake up and smell the coffee, this is a real fight against evil, if you have not realize it yet, it might be time now.
      Now, I am not saying that all neocatechumanes are evil, but their leadership is, because their actions are willful and deceiving, the average neos are lost souls who have been abused and lied to.
      You do not have this luxury, because now you know.

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  2. Very few voters voted against medicinal marijuana, probably in part because we non-NCW Catholics are not the archbishop's "My people in Christ." The NCW are his "people in Christ." We non-NCW are an afterthought.

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  3. If it's by lottery, then do all RM seminaries get the same number? I thought that we get a lot more than some places.

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  4. To Anon at 9.17,
    Yes Chuck is right, this is a concerted effort by the central power at the NCW.
    As for the numbers, it is normal that it looks like we get more.
    If we are sent 10 candidates at RSM here compared to Boston or Denver, do not forget that we are only less than 200 000 in population while these places are much larger and wealthier.
    This is exactly why we have been asked to share for a larger effort per capita. This is why they needed an Archbishop who was totally dedicated to them, and this is what they got in with Brother Tony.
    This is also why the Yona property is such a big deal for the Kikkos, because it allowed them to do what would otherwise be impossible here. Hence the financial malfeasance that Brother Tony is so desperate to cover up and blame on others.
    Hence the lies on the "seminary" and their intent.
    Now people can see whats under the waterline of that iceberg, and it is not pretty.
    Tell your family, tell your friends, explain to them the reality, and the necessity to pull out these bad weeds from our garden.
    May God be with us.

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    1. The RMS on Guam has 20 TIMES the number of seminarians per Catholic capita than does the Archdiocese of Boston. 20 TIMES MORE SEMINARIANS. What does that tell you? That we are just lucky enough to win the lottery 20 times more than other dioceses?

      NOT.

      By the way, Archbishop, if you're going to play that lottery then let's not hear any more about gambling from you.

      What those numbers really tell us is that we are probably being sent all the guys that no one else will take simply because in Apuron they have a bishop who will ordain them as per their order. There is no other way to explain why Guam has 20 TIMES more seminarians than Boston and probably every other diocese where there is an RMS.

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    2. You know Tim, I have longed heard, on the east coast, that seminarians rejected by east coast bishops and seminaries apply to the NEO, knowing the archbishop of Guam will ordain them. students in St. Mary's seminary Baltimore, are often heard to say if their bishops will not ordain them there is a bishop in the pacific who will ordain anyone providing they are in the NEO. It is standard talk with students in Sulpician seminaries here in America.

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    3. I'm a little suspicious, @3:29pm. It's not so easy to "apply to the NEO" as you say. You have to join and drink the Kool Aid. And they won't accept you as a seminarian unless they are convinced that you're fully onboard with Kiko's program. Are you trying to pull our leg?

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    4. To anon@ 4.11, it is not that hard to understand. Most of the Neo priest are the type of career oriented ones that Pope Francis has denounced on several occasions.
      These types of individuals would do anything to attain their goal.
      For the NCW they are a blessing since they owe their career to them. This is how they buy compliance and assure themselves to have dedicated servants.
      By relying on people that fall into that dubious psychological group, you see where we are going, and as here, where we already are.
      Obviously 3.29 is in the loop and knows what he is sharing with us.
      I wish he was pulling our leg. Unfortunately it is already a sad fact.

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  5. Yes, it is now very clear the lottery game Apuron is playing. May be it is now time to pass gambling in Guam and to associate the freedom of gambling with Archbishop Apuron. This way it twenty years time he will be remembered as the gambling archbishop. Very easy to arrange this!

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  6. 4.11pm. You are correct seminarians do have to manifest they buy into the programs of the organization to be ordained. For example one seminary was asked to leave seminary on academic grounds. He Joined the organization and was ordained but his own diocese released him from the diocesan seminary. When you then listen to the standard of preaching of these guys from rms, and observe them, you can see they would not be ordained if say in St. Patrick's. The level of academic requirement is lower. Correct all you have to do is buy into the deal, convince them you have drunk the kilo aid and you be ordained. Harold is a perfect example. Hope this helps 4.11pm.

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  7. The lottery is done this way, Kiko is going to ask for instance Pius, how many seminarians are needed at the RMS in Guam. Pius in consultation with the Archbishop or the other way around, will give a number, then, the lottery will begin. They will normally draw by lots from two bags, one, those ready for Philosophy and 2nd bag, those ready for Theology. Once the number is filled, the papers need t be prepared for the coming over to Guam. There are no background checks for these seminarians not unless the archdiocese will do it.
    How do i know, i have been there and I went through the process.

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  8. Yeah Isias and your the scumbag who threw your pearls to the swine.

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    1. Spoken like a real Kiko. Thanks for the witness.

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  9. Thank you Fr. Isaias. I have two questions:
    1) Can you verify that the families that they send on mission are also assigned via the Merkaba
    2) How did the word "merkaba" become associated with this lottery?

    Thanks!

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    1. I do believe that there is a Father Isaias Ginson who is the Chaplin for St. John's episcopal school. Is Father Ginson a Catholic?

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    2. What does it matter? The Neo, insofar as it departs from its statute - which it does regularly, is not Catholic.

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  10. Well, all I can is the system of ordaining men in RMS seems very unhealthy and this may well be the reason why the archdiocese is turning out very unhealthy priests. Many of these priests wiill not serve the community. Seems to me to be a priest factory producing at our expense.

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    1. For certain RMS formation in academic spiritual formation appears not to form priests to the mind and heart of the church.

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  11. May I also ask a question to Fr.isaias. After ordination how does the cult make assignments. For example who assigns Fr. Edwin to Africa? should Fr. Edwin want to return to Guam or Boston is it Archbishop Apuron who re assigns? Who is the immediate superior of the NEO Priest. It seems all are like Pius there have a superior on per but in reality they have no superior. They act like independent catholic priests..

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  12. Anon 9:52 on the contrary your group here is a cult for going against the Church. Chuck and Tim don't believe the authority of the Pope but their own will. Think about this very carefully. The nuncio label this site as a hate blog.

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    1. LOL! Harold, is that you or one of your RMS buddies?

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    2. to anon at 9.52,
      loneliness facilitate the abuse of alcohol and other less legal alternatives.
      Plus it makes you slur as well.
      You should try to remedy this.....it is not too hard. A few prayers may be. Trying to be nice to the locals? It usually goes a long way, to help you make friends.

      Proper English would be: ....."don't believe IN the authority".... then the rest of the phrase amounts to a compilation of grammatical errors.
      But we get the point......
      As for your last assertion, typical copy and paste from Diana's (the lil woman with big hands) blog. Of course we have proven several times that the nuncio never said that, but your brother Tony the liar from the Hill did. (don't forget the recordings)
      Finally in regards to your opening statement, well.... you are mixing so many different and contradictory concepts.
      "Your group here" : It must be news to most people visiting this blog, that they are a group. I guess if it makes you comfortable to label critical minds and free thinkers a group, we should grant it to you, for the sake of your salvation. (just kidding)
      "is a cult for going against the Church." Whoa! Is this a new interpretation of the meaning of Cult?
      Let me give you a refresher on what is a cult.
      According to Webster: "Cult, a system of veneration and devotion directed at a particular figure or object.
      A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
      A misplaced or excessive admiration for a person or thing."

      None of these, would qualify for the people visiting this site.
      But then of course you knew that (I hope).
      You imply we are a cult for going "against the Church".
      Hello!!! this is Earth calling!!!!
      Were you asleep for the last 18 months?
      The only people here that are against the Church are the robotic morons that frequent the RMS, Diana's blog and follow the likes of Kikkos and his minions. (as a cult would).
      We are, as individuals, not against the Church, we are trying to defend it from the likes of you.
      We are trying to save our Church from interlopers that pretend to be Catholics, but follow Jewish and Masonic rites and rituals, rewrite both our history and our traditions and replace our local sons by untrained foreign catechists who don't know their nose from their rear end.
      This my young friend is the reality. So get off your high horse, stop drinking the cool aid, and go back to study your ESL.

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    3. After reading the articles by Tim Rohr and Chuck White no doubt in my mind they have internalized authentic catholic teaching into their spiritual life . No article I have read by Tim or chuck stand in contradiction to authentic catholic teaching.

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    4. Well said Frenchie. I am 9.52pm and as we all know we are not an organized group writing in this forum. Many writing live in Guam, others live in Europe, America, and other pacific Asian nations. And yes, some are even SNAP. People read this page for a number of reasons. But I suspect they all share a common ground. Writers are all dedicated to the truth of the Catholic faith. I suspect also a number have been deeply hurt by Archbishop Apuron and the cult and come to this page for healing also. Eventually, these people will need help also because I believe there are many hurt individuals operating on the page. Hurt caused by the Archbishop. We know the page is not here to provide healing, rather to show the world what is happening in the church in Guam. But after the cult leaves, as they will, real work will begin. We will need to assist those who got caught up with the cult and suffered psychological trauma because of the archbishop and pius.

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  13. Chuck, the word Merkaba is the symbol they use for evangelization, there is a catechesis for that symbol in Ezekiel (4 living creatures represent the Gospel symbols going simultaneously into the 4 directions of the earth).
    The families, last time i witness is: First, they offer themselves to be mission families and it happens on the local level first, 2nd, they have to go through some scrutinies (foremost of which the more children the better they will qualify) Second, they attend a Convivence in which case they will also be drawn in a lottery. If there is a need request from countries, the itenerants in charge will signify to Kiko (how many, where?) for x number of families to be sent.

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    1. Yes, I also noticed the cult uses the book of Ezekiel often. Remember they would often talk about the dry bones needing to be given life again. I later learnt the dry bones were those of us who,were not in the cult. Cult members were missioned to salt new people and invite into their club. Pius did invite me into the informal group meeting. I never got beyond the anti room into the main room. Pius believed I was not open to his philosophy and so I was never invited again to the anti room. Obviously, no desire to join the club as I am very happy with daily mass and living the catholic faith I grew up with.

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    2. Fr. Ginson seems to be an informed writer to me with good knowledge of the cult and it's leadership. My question is how would you describe the leadership style of Kiko? would he be hands on and aware what is happening here on island? I get the impression Kiko is like bin laden. He operates from a cave some where in Spain with that coarse woman carmen sending out decrees all over the world. We are interested in the management style operation the cult. Also does Kiko live with Carmen? Who lives in his house? What is the daily life style of Kiko? Does he phone Apuron weekly? Things we need to know.

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    3. As far as i can remember Kiko operates with Carmen and Fr. Mario as Initiators of the NCW. Kiko has as a circle of 12 people (those he trust very much and who were with him from the beginning), then he has 72 others next to the inner circle of the 12. Remember the 72 who went out and proclaim the Gospel and came back very alive reporting to Jesus what have transpired. These 72 are part of the itinerants in charge of the nations. Where does Giuseppe G. belong? I think you know....but just in case....the INNER CIRCLE.

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    4. I would think that Stefano Gennarini and Mattia del Prete are in the inner circle too. Stefano is Giuseppe Gennarini's brother and has been the chief catechist in Poland for decades and now oversees NCW efforts in Russia and other former soviet countries, I believe. Del Prete is the architect who designs, with Kiko of course, just about every NCW building. Are there any other Gennarini's in the inner circle?

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    5. And at the center of the inner circle is Jesus...Not. Or a man with a messiah-complex.

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  14. The assignment of RMS priest is at the discretion of the Archbishop and Head itinerant of Guam (USA).....Giuseppe G.
    If the priest ordain has not gone through itinerancy, he normally goes. If the RMS priest has been itenerant for at least 3 years, then he can be assign here in Guam for sometime and be sent to other countries. Remember, the RMS priests are missionary in nature and if there is a request from other countries through their bishops of a need for priests, they can and will be assign. Again, the head itenerant will have to be consulted.

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  15. Years ago late cardinal Sanchez was at a dinner party . He shared with us we do need to explore ways where by bishops can better distribute clergy. This was years ago. Distribution of clergy is complex and often involves issues. Answer is each local church should encourage and form local priests. This business of flying priests into Guam, or flying priests from Nigeria into Washington DC never works out. Many problems. Same now in Agana. Yes, you have all these priests but look at the problems that have come into our island nation with them. These guys should be ordained in their home nations and local diocese. Harold has no connection or love for Guam he used us for ordination.

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  16. Fr. Thank you. " at the discretion of the archbishop and Giuseppe" Giuseppe has the power over Archbishop Apuron based on the voting powers of the RMS seminary. Giuseppe and mario can join their voting rights and overrule Archbishop Apuron. Hence by logic alone this system places Giuseppe with more power than the ordinary. A lay man becomes the superior it appears.

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  17. Anyone know Tony's flight plan for November December?

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    1. Italy and Columbia...not Nigeria.....adios

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    2. I wouldn't go to Columbia if I were the archbishop with their violent drug cartels. His status would be no protection there.

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  18. Shocking Apuron gets away with all this and is accountable to no other person. Pure evil how Apuron operates and freely gets away with all because the higher authority has no interest in Guam .

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  19. Typhoon John hope in time you will be able to return to Junglewatch . In the meantime praying for you and your loss.

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