The link seems to work for computers/laptops and it worked for my iPad, but not my iPhone. Sick, sick, sick!!!
What a sick person Apuron is.
That's just insane about brother tony. What a sick nutcracker.
Ramon, thank you for your courage to speak publicly about this witnessing these horrible acts against children. You are courageous. You and your family have my support and prayers.
I am not sure what Hon/Holy See is waiting for? Remove Apuron now.
Well my dear anon at 10:46 if History is a window into our own world, I would suggest that you looked on how Rome treated the accusation against Marcial Maciel the founder of the Legion of Christ. It is not a very encouraging precedent.This is why this blog has long recommended the use of our Courts system, to equalize the balance.This is what has happened in Minnesota, Arizona , Oregon.Only then, and under mounting public pressure, that things changed.
I totally agree with Frenchie that mounting public pressure, including going to court, is the most workable and effective approach. Let us not be easily placated by the few crumbs they've proffered so far. More people at the Sunday picket lines and media coverage must continue. We must be relentless and ever vigilant!
That monster and the priest, Cruz. When are the people who choose to back apuron going to realize HE IS A MONSTER!!!!???? Cruz had passed and the Good Lord will deal with him. DEFROCK THE MONSTER.
Oh, there are followers alright. Kimchee president of Apuron supporters.
Kimchee Financing Apuron.Found a path to Hon.
Kimcheee knows for sure Archie not guilty. $$$$$
Unbelievable! Just when you thought there couldn't be any worse news about Apuron!! The issues surrounding the property used by the RMS pales in comparison to the crimes he's committed against many innocent victims.
Heartbreaking to think how young boys, with "purity of intent" to serve the Absolute Holiness of Lord were subjected to these very very sick actions by priests and many were victimized. Now Apuron's strange actions, words or response to so much ALL MAKES SENSE NOW. During Jungle Watch blog on many occasions AAA response to things were so bizarre they appeared that he may have a mental health illness or was experiencing a crises. It really appears to be very obvious now based on what what altar boys say they experienced that he has not had healthy thinking or actions for 30 to 40 years prior to Jungle Watch. How very very sad. How unfortunate that someone was not able to stand up to him or to help him stop this kind of sick behavior. Oh I hope that today all the altar boys involved have adequate support to meet their needs during this very difficult time. I am sure their memories will be flooded from these terrible experiences and helplessness all over again. We all needs an abundance of prayers to cope with this now especially the altar boys. As horrible as it all is Thank You for bringing attention to it so healing can happen on multiple levels.
Thank You Mr. De Plata,for your testimony, Our prayers for the other victims of these abuse who may be harboring the effects of these horrible, despicable acts by these priests. If Apuron is ever allowed back after all these accounts of abuse, It will be the greatest act of injustice inflicted by the Church against innocent children. The monkey is on your back Hon, Rome, The world is watching closely your actions on this grave matter..
Hon, you would have shown 94 new bishops an excellent example if you our temp shepherd had stayed with your flock . Our very souls are being attacked. Don't bother to come back. You have failed us in so many ways. Remain n Romecwith your suitcase full of self importance. God help you.
I agree. Hon you can't do the heavy lifting.
Diana says the ten year old victim was a " willing participant" what a scandalous comment to make.
"Diana" (or whomever he/she is) is an idiot! First, 10-year-old are not mature enough to make such judgments about sex with adults. Second, how does she know the child was a willing participant? Did Fr. Apuron discuss this with her? Did she speak with that 10-year-old who is now an adult? 10-year-olds are do not have the judgment to engage in consensual sex! "Diana" is an idiot! I almost think "Diana" is Fr. Apuron himself since she made this comment; or someone who is party of this clergy sex ring.
Her response shows the depravity and evil of her heart. This is criminal Diana idioto, I am a willing participant to slap some sense into her/him.
Diana sounds just like a self-proclaimed trained lawyer.
Don't bother commenting about Diana and her troll tactics because that's why she/he exists to counter the truth with the lies that feed the NCW flock/cult.
The Delusional Dingbat Diana never fails to come to the defense of Its NCW Brother Tony. Today the DDD claims that a 10-year-old child was a "willing participant." According to the DDD the "10 year old alleged victim … seems to be a willing participant." Rose de los Reyes at 1:14 PM correctly asserts that a 10-year-old is "not mature enough to make such judgments about sex with adults" but I doubt the DDD will agree. In a July 2016 comment the DDD hypothesized that Walter Denton must have been sleeping on his stomach in the nude at the rectory. The reason? According to the DDD, Walter "… was told to give every detail and not leave anything out. Yet, his written testimony led me to think that he was already sleeping in the nude and on his stomach when he was raped. There was no mention of the rapist tearing off his clothes or forcing him over on his stomach and things of that nature."When Roy Quintanilla first revealed that he had been abused by Anthony Sablan Apuron the DDD devoted an entire post — So Far Only One Alleged Victim — in which the DDD and Its fans trivialized Roy's experience.One can only surmise that the DDD is full of KAKA (Kiko Argüello's Kool Ade) and suffers from impaired judgment. How else can the DDD come up with such ludicrous rationalizations?!?
Mary Lou outlines the pattern whereby the “Diana” (whoever she/they may be) takes the public statements given by the childhood sexual abuse survivors and deflect the actions of Fr. Apuron, and now, Fr. Cruz, as the fault of the children. To accept and excuse the predators and lay blame on the children is the standard NCW response and train of belief to childhood sexual abuse. Whether from a religious or secular point of view the bottom line is that sexual abuse is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER acceptable. Because “Diana” seeks to justify it somehow and lay the blame on children is reflective of her/their twisted minds. The NCW have got to be driven out of Guam!!! And watch out for parishes that are pastored by NCW presbyters. If they are subscribers to this NCW way of believing, they may have standards that find it acceptable to violate children. Or, if they don’t engage in the violation themselves, that they may be complicit about this type of practice. The NCW are freaks! They have to be driven out of the island!
Tim you sick fuck!!!!! for sure for sure
Now that Bill 326-33 is passed let's see who side Calvo is on now..Wonder if he'll be getting anymore letters from the Chancery?/
Fr.Rudy is that you?
No it's NOT Rudy in case you're talking to me.;;..I'm a supporter for the Bill and Thank God they passed it...I was referring to what Senator Cruz had mentioned when he got up to speak...He stated that the last time he tried to get the Bill Passed he received a letter from the CHANCERY letting him know it will NOT when it gets to the Governor's desk....and sure enough it didn't passed when it was 1st introduced....so now that has been passed ,let's see who side the Governor is on..
To clarify, Cruz claims the chancery pressured the legislature to insert amendments which basically made the bill useless. While I don't doubt that might have happened, Cruz has failed to do anything other than accuse "some senators" (he doesn't name them) for going along with the Chancery. Amazingly, in the end Cruz himself voted for the "Chancery's version" of the bill.
thanks for clarifying Tim...sometimes I get help without my knowledge..lol..
With regard to “a letter from the Chancery” following the primarily NCW run-Archdiocese of Agana, I now expect that the Governor’s Office will receive a bizarre letter discouraging the signing of this historic bill. The letter will be on Archdiocesan/Chancery letterhead ghost-written by Pius, Jacquie-the-Trained-Lawyer, Fr. Quituaguas (both of them), Diana and/or all of the above people unsigned yet approved by Fr. Hon and Rome/Pope Francis. After all I’ve seen of the NCW’s public operation just in the past couple of months, it wouldn’t surprise me now if that happens!
Tim, I will defer to your historical knowledge on the first bill (from 2011) because you are a treasure trove of such information. I will, though, mention this. In my readings some months back about the 2011 bill is that the primary clause that was altered due to the [probably ghost written letter] from the Chancery was the removal of institutions and organizations from liability. This is an excerpt from the governor’s office in 2011: “Governor Calvo intended to veto in its original form, however, he supported the measure after amendments made only perpetrators of crimes against children civilly responsible. Organizations, like churches and corporations will not be able to be used as scapegoats, so the criminals can answer for their actions themselves.” When I read this press release, my initial reaction was that the governor, in signing into law the water-downed version of the bill, was protecting businesses, institutions, and organizations. He characterized the inclusion of organizations as would-be liable entities as “scapegoat[ing].” The removal of organizations basically crippled the 2011 bill that eventually became law.Institutions, businesses, and organizations are key components to providing policies, education, training about childhood sexual abuse deterrents, awareness and response. Without a law such as Bill 326-33 institutions, businesses, and organizations don’t bother with putting into place policies and provide background and training that address childhood sexual abuse. When Bill 326-33 becomes law, schools, churches, organizations will have to implement childhood sexual abuse policies, education and training as part of their operations as their measure of avoiding liability. For institutions, businesses and organizations to have to address childhood sexual abuse, together with family discussions about openness, awareness, support, and response to this issue provide for a healthy island community.Lastly, in defense of Senator Cruz, his vote to pass the water-downed bill in 2011 is, in my view, a situation of having a law in the books addressing this issue than not having any at all. I believe he was aware that including institutions, organizations, and businesses as liable entities was the heart of the 2011 bill but, in politics, we know that if you don’t get the number of votes you need to pass a bill, you will have to compromise to get the bill passed. The compromise, unfortunately, was to remove the language holding institutions, businesses and organizations as liable. I am crossing my fingers that Governor Calvo doesn’t view Bill 326-33 with the same reserve as he did in 2011 in the excerpt I quoted above.
The 2011 bill was simply revenge legislation. For months, Cruz had been trying to pick a fight with the Church over his same-sex legislation. And "stupid is as stupid does," "the Church" in the person of Apuron, but not really, took Cruz' bait. It was a letter written by RMS "professor" Francis Walsh which, rather than restate the Church's doctrinal position on same-sex unions as I had told him to do, chose to lecture the senators on the potential social evils of homosexuality. Google the words Apuron and Homosexuality and you’ll find several references to it including this from Wikipedia: “Apuron drew criticism for a letter distributed by his archdiocese in October 2009 demonizing gay members of the community while simultaneously praising Islamists.”Walsh, like Edivaldo after him, put the letter, unsigned, on official archdiocesan letterhead and released it to the media and the legislature, making it appear to be an official statement of Apuron’s and the Catholic Church. IT WASN’T!This set Cruz off on a storm of retaliation which caused him to 1) go public about being molested as a teen, and 2) introduce 2 bills specifically aimed at Apuron. The legislative term expired before the bills went anywhere, but he reintroduced them in the next legislature. Both became law, but modified. Your quote from Calvo shows that if in fact the bill was modified to include the poison pill amendments, it wasn’t just pressure from the Church, as Cruz claims, but apparently the Governor had his own reasons and its interesting how Cruz, who has no love for Calvo, never mentions this. Cruz knows it’s much easier (and more fun) to fight with the Church. Cruz, as the author, had every right to withdraw the bill and send it back to committee rather than vote for a bill which was pointless. Yet, that is what he did. He voted for it. The real reason Cruz’ bill didn’t go anywhere though was that he did not do the hard work to generate public support for the bill. Not that Frank Blas did either (the author of the current bill), but Blas was smart enough to at least appear to partner with community advocates who were already motivated by the abuse allegations which were coming out. What is happening with this bill is how bills like this have passed in other states. Victims come forward. Lawyers represent them. State legislatures are lobbied to introduce legislation to lift the statute of limitations so that the victims can pursue some measure of justice. This is how we did it. In the previous version, there were no victims, or at least no victims willing to come forward. Cruz often spoke of victims, but in the end, there were none. Cruz has said that no victims came forward after his bill was amended and passed because no lawyer would take a case without a “deep pockets” provision. We proved this not to be true. Everyone of the victims who have come forward so far, came forward long before there was even a mention of a bill lifting the statute of limitations. Only Leo Tudela came forward after the bill was introduced.
Thank you, Tim. More interesting background and info which brought a whole new spin to my original train of thought on the 2011 bill and a glimpse of politics in play. In one of the series of your “orchestrated series” you wrote about the Walsh-Edivaldo ghost-written Archdiocesan communication on same sex marriage but I didn’t know that was a related event to the 2011 childhood sexual abuse “retaliation bill” (I chuckled at that descriptive, but it is a precise way to describe that bill and get your point across). Back to the 2011 bill, removing the language in the 2011 bill about holding institutions, businesses and organizations as potentially liable and then reading Gov. Calvo’s press release about that bill led me think: (1) the governor was influenced by the Chancery to remove institutions as potentially liable; (2) the governor was protecting institutions and businesses a.k.a “the deep pockets,” [note he is of a family with ties to business and a businessman himself]; and (3) he lacked knowledge on INSTITUTIONAL childhood sexual abuse (which is why he wanted to take out the deep pockets provision). The sexual abuse of children by persons who work with or around them --- institutional abuse --- should be a concern among policy makers, health care practitioners and the public. By removing the potential liability of institutions and businesses from the 2011 bill basically discounted the fact that most of the childhood sexual abuse victims of today suffered from INSTITUTIONAL sexual abuse (from the hands of their abuser and those who covered up for the abuser), as compared the number of sexual abuse from a family member or an individual. I bring this up because Bill 326-33 includes language that the governor wanted to removed from the 2011 bill --- “Governor Calvo intended to veto in its original form, however, he supported the measure after amendments made only perpetrators of crimes against children civilly responsible. Organizations, like churches and corporations will not be able to be used as scapegoats, so the criminals can answer for their actions themselves.” I hope that the governor has changed his position on this “deep pockets” issue because Bill 326-33 contains that language. And lastly, I just assumed that the language was removed to get the bill through the legislature that, just as the governor, the other senators wanted this proviso removed, too. I assumed that the Chancery had influenced them. Without having the full background, those were my assumptions.
I seriously doubt Calvo cared what the Chancery thought. Also, I don't think he was concerned for his family's businesses. Institutional liability is something serious and far reaching. Because of the real motivation of the legislation I don't think Calvo cared to entertain it. The bill was wholly aimed at Apuron but there was no evidence at the time that there was a need to include unrestricted institutional liability. It's interesting that Cruz did NOT include institutional liability in his companion bill 135-31 which permanently lifted the statute of limitation on sex crimes against minors going forward. I wonder why he didn't. http://guamlegislature.com/Bills_Introduced_31st/Bill%20No.%20B135-31%20(LS).pdf
Great background on the past attempts at enacting the predecessors of Bill 326-33. I'm curious about the questions you pose about the previous bills. I agree with you that the climate on the local childhood sexual abuse evidence has changed, too, since 2011. It is the catalyst for taking a second look at this legislation and finally put language that protects children and causes organizations and families to take a look at how they deal with recognizing and responding to child sexual abuse. The climate was changed by Roy, Doris, Walter, Roland. And now Leo and Ramon. Thank God! Moving forward, it's great that the law, in the form that majority of the public wants enacted, has passed the legislature. Now we wait for the Governor's signature. Put your stamp on it, Gov!!!
The blogger is the sick fuck and the pedophile is not? Please explain.
As horrifically gut wrenching as this sexual abuse account is. Ramon brought up 3 important things that helped him. His older brother immediately when to his side to protect him then asked if he was ok. He felt safe to tell his mom and that dear woman God Bless her followed them afterwards to watch out for them. The last thing is he had the strength and presence of mind to say no to the priest and use school for the reason. That would have taken great courage on his part. Sadly it goes to show that these kinds of conversations needs to be happening in families. About doing what is right and wrong, not being afraid to ask for help or to speak up. Having discussions to learn anyone even authorities including religious people are capable of wrong doing. And We must all speak up about it to protect ourselves and others. Thank you for having the courage to speak up now Raymond and let us know just how really bad things were. As difficult as it is. It has be made known to put a stop to it for all children.
Shocking isn't it Rude Rudee? I see you're doing a mighty good impersonation of Dacon Claros.
Un-fricken-believable! What has apuron and the rest of his sick cronies done to the Church and our people!? May God help us all.
Mr. De Plata thank you for your courage. May God bless you and your family.
thank you to mr de plata for his courage. i pray for him and his family.was this pale' antonio cruz, who was assigned to tamuning in the 1980s?two priests in the same room at the same time. this is no longer just predatory priests acting on their own. this is like a crime syndicate. if it's not a syndicate to commit the crimes, then at the very least it's a syndicate to cover up those crimes.i'd find it very hard to believe that no one in the archdiocese had any knowledge of this.governor: sign the bill. do the right thing.then bring on the lawsuits.some of you just wanted your parish back, or your favorite priest back--well, sorry, it ain't never gonna be the same. prepare for collective atonement.
Apuron was only 19 when this took place, (born in 1945, event was in 1964). He was ordained a priest in 1972. So he was not a priest yet when this incident happened. My question is, why was he in the rectory bedroom with Pale Cruz that night? Was he a seminarian at the time, had he started formation with the Franciscans on island already?
thank you for the correction. the news says apuron was already a seminarian at the time. would that be the minor seminary on island--I don't know where it was located in 1964, but in the 80s, it was next to the fd campus. if apuron was in the minor seminary, who else was with him in the seminary, who might have known where he was driving that blue corvair to, and what he did there? who was the rector?
Apuron would have been at the Friary as a Capuchin aspirant, not at the FD Campus which was solely for Diocesan seminarians.On another note, father apuron liked to dole out ice cream and candy when he was living at the old Cathedral rectory with his "friend" Franklin Quitugua, now in SF, who ruled the Cathedral like its house mistress. He was seen driving brother tony during the last apistolic visitation circa Jan 2015.
After this now we can never trust any priest who we know hid thesemonsters.
All these years AAA celebrates the Holy Mass how many authentic services! And how many times has his thoughts wonder away in to filth while under the Foot of the Cross..
Evident abuse took place from age 19 to 43. when did his abuse end.?
Who said, it ever ended? I shall not be surprised if we found out, that the NCW actually facilitated his perversions in order to keep him on the Team. His constant surrounding himself with young seminarians is particularly troubling.
Those same sentiments came across my mind, Frenchie. This is how I can explain to myself how the NCW had practically take over the Catholic Church on Guam.
Fr. Apuron was a compromised leader. The NCW saw that about him and played him for many years. As a consequence,the local Church got driven down to the ground and the Faithful suffer. Fr. Apuron and every trace of the NCW must go!
Surrounding himself with Handsome Harold. Noe Handsome Harold listed as in Her neurasthenic. Something smells like rotting flesh.
Tim, can you please look into the PDN link? I've tried to play the video from both my PC and iPhone and it neither works.
I don't know. But KUAM will have another story tonight.
I couldn't connect to PDN's link either, but was able to withKUAM News' facebookLink:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154077528223742&id=39567613741which will then connect toKUAM News' You Tube link with Mr. Ramon De Plata.Thank you so very much, Mr. Rohr, Mr. Klitzkie, CCOG members, Roy, Walter, Roland, Ramon, Leo, Ms. Doris, your families, and to everyone for your courage and hard work to help our Catholic Church on Guam.
gov is not up for election this year. senators are. if gov vetoes, I say let's see who will vote to override. hmm.
The bill is veto proof. Given the public support, the governor would do well to sign it pronto. However, at the least, he may let it lapse into law though I don't know why.
Hmm...perhaps because of history. See Guam Legislature resolution R259-30(COR). Interesting to see a link between the RMS/NCW (including the deposed Pius), then-Senator Calvo and members of his current administration...
Why does Jungle Watch give any space to Fr. Rudee's comments? Why even acknowledge his existence? Let's not lend him an ear or give him any importance by publishing his comments. What other credible outlet does he have?
In order to get rid of Rude-ee we have to expose him. There is much from him we don't publish. We only publish from time to time to show to what depths Apuron's people sink to.
I am giving the other media a chance to do their thing before I tie in the blue Corvair.
Tim, PNC posted their report tonight re. Mr. De Plata's sad experience. I say tie it all together as soon as possible so that we can rid ourselves of Apuron and other sick pedophile priests like him.
We better be certain we don't have any other individuals in the clergy that people will murmur about for years. Clean house! Seriously. No more of this shit.
To "clean house", we need people who know something to speak up! We are not talking about priests with girlfriends. We're talking about priests who are pedophiles, such as apuron, louis brouillard, tony cruz... and those who cover up for them!
We do have "other individuals in the clergy." And they know who they are. It's coming.
Knowing about these criminal acts and not saying anything makes them participants, and should face the music that Apuron the monster is about to face. Hold them all accountable for this grave injustice against innocent children.
Thank you Mr. De Plata. Your courage in speaking out will help in the healing process. It will help others as well. Looking towards the future, you are helping Guam become a safer place for children. We need more people like you. God bless you and your family.
What is the connection between Fr. Tony Cruz and apuron? How did they both realize they have the same perversions? Maybe, through the confessional? Apuron was still a seminarian while Tony Cruz was already a priest. Maybe Fr. Cruz exploited and helped develop the tendencies in apuron. Maybe that's how other pedophile priests find their victims. Maybe that's why many victims are ashamed to come out publicly. Come to think of it, isn't that one way the Neos maintain their hold over their followers?
We have now heard from Agat and Chalan Pago. What village(s) is/are next? How about the other islands? Any more pedophile priests?
Yes, what about the other islands?As Tim has alluded to, we need to help other survivors find the support and courage to step forward and blow the whistle.
This testimony, is just another proof, that Apuron is a serial abuser, as Mr Perada had justly diagnosed in his testimony in front of the legislature a few weeks back.This is so crystal clear, only the ones that refuse to see are blind to this disturbing reality.
Still meeting many Catholics who don't believe!!