Does this mean you're going to abandon Umatac until you get due process? Unlike Fr. Paul and Monsignor James, you weren't unjustlylocked out and thrown out on the streets. Whaa, whaa, whaa!!!Accept your just due and quietly go away. Barrigada welcomes the change!
Better yet, stupid Adriano, Why don't you write to Camillo Ballin perhaps he has room for you in his diocese in Northern Arabia. After, Louie Boy is just loving his sanctuary there. You are exactly what a "kadu-kadu" kind of a pale.
i was under the impression that the priests had been informed of their reassignments for some weeks before the public announcement. so his shock and surprise story doesn't jive here.and yes, umatac, you ain't good enough for fr adrian.
Thought Pale' Mike going to Yigo. What happened?
Don't forget that Pale' Mike wrote his letter of apology as directed by Hon. Remember the pix of him and Fr. Jeff at NCW supporter Marian Arroyo's birthday celebration? Pale' Mike sure looked happy and comfortable among all those chancery RATS like Dakon "For sure, for sure." My guess is Pale' Mike is probably going to get to stay at IHOM now.
Why are you picking on Father Mike? What happened to Father Dan Ferrandiz who was supposedly assigned to Barrigada? How about Father Jonathan who was supposed to go to Toto? Maybe there was a switch in assignments after Father Pat Garcia passed away. Father Pat was going to be assigned to Santa Bernadita but his visa expired and God wanted him home!
adrian, I recommend or we all recommend that we house you when there is no one to bother you at all. You are not becoming and believe gone as a PRIEST and only as a P___K. ick
Stop your crying and goto Umatac and serve per your Archbishop's orders. This is not a democracy!!! Lmao.
I wonder where Adrian will be celebrating mass tomorrow Sunday-Umatac or ?????????
Adriana no balls, get your ass to Umatac. Your going to get the justice you gave Monsignor Benavente.
No respect to authority by the neocatechumenal way. This is what Kikokaka does to the brain.
What due process? Did the NEOS give Msgr James due process? You guys booted him out! Get your fat ass and your cane to Umatac. OBEDIENCE! If two priests can wait years for due process, so can you! What goes around comes around! TI MAMAIGO' SI YU'US!
I think only those that did something warrant Due Process. So little adrian are you finally admitting you did something wrong?
Ha Ha Ha! Due process my ass, feels kinda different when you are on the other side of the table, eh Adrienne? You have denied due process to so many of your brother priests and other people of goodwill. It seems so ironic that now you are demanding due process for yourself! You are a certified lowlife, and do not deserve mercy. You have destroyed so many lives because of your insecurity and self-centeredness! You are so full of yourself, the other priests have not complained about their assignments like the p-ssy that you are!
Fr. Adrian the church is not a democracy. you are needed to serve in Umatac so get your fat ass down there you bitch.
Oh! don't forget to leave that Barrigada Vehicle at Barrigada. We'll be sending you a carabao for your ride in and out of town. Oh! no need to gas since we got ass gas for you.
Adrian,Dammit The Pope and Rome said go to Umatac, The Vatican and the Holy See is telling you to go to Umatac. Disatento, hanao guato anai ma otdin hao para un setbi is taotao umatac.
Didn't you turn in your Resignation?
I suspect that Adrian is opposing his transfer to Umatac as he may not be able to climb the steps with that bad leg of his. I say we put him up against rudee the vulgar mouth on a 1/4 mile race with their canes. Winner goes to Barrigada, loser goes to Umatac.
Anon 11:08 -Rudy to barrigada and Adrianne to unattached? The only losers in your race analogy are the two parishes who would receive these two lothars. Better than infect these two good parishes with more kiko kaka, I humbly suggest that Hon send them both "in residence" to DOC/DYA. They can take up serve with monkey boy and minister there. Or would the federal government consider that cruel and unusual punishment?Better solution is to send Rude-eee to parish of St Vivian Way and Adrianne to parish of St Castro in Frisco.
Edivaldo "the juice" is also opposing his assignment, which is why Fr. Karl cannot yet move to Chalan Pago per the aviso that came out that stated his assignment starts October 30. These presbyters who have been problems remain disobedient to their superiors. How can people, except for the neokaka variety, believe their words?
Wondering what would have happened if that same letter was from mgr.Benavente (Cathedral), to Apuron (brother Tony).
The walls are crumbling around this idiot! Bienecho!
You got to be kidding me? Seriously? I never heard of a Priest airing dirty laundry
He should not even be given an Assignment as Pastor! The people of Umatac need to Protest his Ass back to RMS.
I heard some Music Ministers are leaving Umatac and going to other Parishes like Toto and Tamuning. Good for them. Keep up the fight and stand up for our Church
The People of Umatac are Pissed that he would write us a letter about his issues? He is suppose to be obidient to the Archbishop in Charge and not The Neo's. Sad Day and More Headlines
Ouch! Did the arduous and painful closure to your reign in Barrigada hurt? Now be a an obedient priest and find your way down to Umatac. Maybe Eusebio can use his cane to point you in the right direction. Happy Walking!
Well said! May that same cane be used to hasten your exit!
Hahahahaha! Par for the course! A new month and it looks like we have the beginning of a new set of bizarre NCW written statements and letters. The legitimate thing about this letter is that, at least, it has a signature. I chuckle at Fr. Adrian’s expectation to be granted “a pastor’s right to due process.” Did he sit on the sidelines (even on the side of Abp Apuron) when Fr. Paul and Msgr. James were not given the right to due process by the Neo Abp Apuron removed them from their positions? This present situation he faces is called comeuppance and karma at work.
Canon 522 states, “A pastor must possess stability and therefore is to be appointed for an indefinite period of time. The diocesan bishop can appoint him only for a specific period if the conference of bishops has permitted this by a decree.” Many conferences of bishops do permit pastors to be appointed to set periods: in both Canada and the United States, pastors may be appointed for renewable six year terms (that is the practice here in the Archdiocese of Seattle where I live). It is important to understand that a pastor may be appointed for a set time, but that is NOT the norm. Certainly, unless the decree appointing the pastor specifically mentions the fixed-term appointment, then the appointment is indefinite. (In Seattle, the appointments and assignments/reassignments are announced/published every end-of-May effective July 1. I, for one, always look forward to reading about the assignments, re-assignments, retirements, and special assignments/titles given to the team of clergy in my archdiocese). The operative phrase here is “many conferences of bishops … in both Canada and the United States.” But we learned in JungleWatch last week ( see “It Really Makes a Lot of Sense …” by Frenchie) that in 1984, then Msgr. Apuron lobbied for and was successful at transferring the Diocese of Agana out of the US Catholic Conference of Bishops and into CEPAC (The Episcopal Conference of the Pacific). In doing so, he removed the Diocese from the jurisdiction of the Congregation for Clergy, and switching to the Congregation for the Evangelization of peoples. Under the CEPAC jurisdiction, do these appointment terms apply? I don’t know. If somebody does, please chime in.Canon 524 suggests that a pastor is given an appointment to a particular parish, not simply because he is a priest and can celebrate the sacraments for the people but because he, with his particular qualities, is suited to the needs of the people of that specific parish: “A diocesan bishop is to entrust a vacant parish to the one whom he considers suited to fulfill its parochial care, after weighing all the circumstances and without any favoritism. To make a judgment about suitability, he is to hear the vicar forane (“forane” is the dean of a deanery) and conduct appropriate investigations, having heard certain presbyters and lay members of the Christian faithful, if it is warranted.” What I love here is the phrase “… having heard … lay members of the Christian faithful …” Just in reading the comments in JungleWatch from last week’s article “The New Assignments” and this week’s article “Fr. Adrian Cristobal was a No Show Yesterday” Fr. Adrian is does not have a lot of support from the “lay members of the Christian faithful.” The phrases to the tune of “good riddance!” and “remove him!” from his former Barrigada parish and from his newly assigned Umatac parish are not going to help make his case on the due process he requests regarding his new assignment. Generally speaking, our canons recognize that the good of the Church trumps any singular situation. Fr. Adrian should know this. Canon 1748 says, “If the good of souls or the necessity or advantage of the Church demands that a pastor be transferred from a parish which he is governing usefully to another parish or another office, the bishop is to propose the transfer to him in writing and persuade him to consent to it out of love of God and souls.” Ultimately, a priest is called to serve the Church and its benefit. A bishop has great discretion, which we assume he won’t abuse, to move a pastor who is doing a good job, let alone, one who is not. Financial concerns of the diocese, fallout from abuse scandal, priest shortages, among so many other things, and many other considerations not known to us laity, all play a role in the clergy assignments.
We all know that the train attorney must have given him this instruction.
Lastly, Guam has many active and retired military personnel and military families. In the service, a military member is assigned a post every so many years. Yes, there are times in which service members are asked for their preference, their Top 3-on-their-Wish-List for their next post. Whether or not the service member’s wish is granted, that faithful service member (and his/her family) shows up to that next post without any crybaby tantrums. In this scenario, many of the local Faithful can relate their military assignment experience with the clergy assignments issued by the Archdiocese of Agana. I have no doubt that many of Guam’s military can proudly say, “I showed up to my next post, unlike Fr. Adrian!”
Back in the 60's my Dad, (May he rest in peace) often will mentioned to us the siblings in Chamorru "Adahi hamyo nu mankado na pale". In plain english "Watch out for those who pretend to be a priest". Well they are here it is folks. Adrian is one of them and a lot more that has been ordained by Apuron. The Island of Guam is in for a big surprise if it is not control. God help us. Thank you Tim, Bob, Chuck and all those who helped exposed what is going on within the division of the Catholic Church here in Guam I love my Catholic Church as is. You Neo don't try to change it. Why don't you built your own Church and leave us be.
Adrian will never leave San Vicente willingly. His parents donated large sums of money to the church for renovations when he became assigned there. Renovations included making sure Adrian had a comfy cozy crib. So Adrian thinks he owns that church and can't stand to think that someone else is going to use his Cristobal-paid-for crib. He also is very lazy, and the driving distance from Umatac to all the fancy places to eat is too much for him to bear.
...and Adrian had total amnesia of the many grandparents and parents who invested $$$$$ into the building of the beautiful SV edifice way before he was born...then he came and ruined it with the hideous mural, destroying the acoustics, ...My elders cried.Baba Boy bidamu. Adrian, Obey your orders and practice good manners.
Jackie and Adran have basically told AB Hon that You are not my Bishop! They may be right since they would disobey without any consequences!Adrian, you just disrespected the Umatac people!
hon, who's the boss here? You or Adrian?
Let's face it. Hon is only the boss of the real priests and ONE of those from RMS Fr. Julius. Most of NCW RMS presbyters and the dummy priests-turned-presbyters (Adrian, Bibi, David the Tall, and Rud-eee) have a different boss: Pius thru Apuron.
Clearly, if Hon allows Jackie and Adrian to disobey without consequences there is NO DOUBT what Hon's agenda is. Really, Hon, show us your power!
Poor stupid fat bitch Adrian! He thinks he is God's gift to the world! Look into a mirror and what do you see? Someone grossly overweight in the mental area. Adrianna, go to Umatac and be a priest who serves, othewise you have no right being a priest. You self-important no-good presbyter!
Then remove adriana as Pastor of any Church! It would be more of a spiritual service to get this disgusting presbyter out of our Church and most especially, any leadership positions. Now he cries canonical injustice, but it was fair when they did it to Fr Paul and Msgr James. Get out of Umatac! The good people of the south do not need your devil cult and devious ways. Poetic justice!
Yes, now no one wants him since Barrigada is celebrating that he is finally left.
Guess Barrigada will be having 3 Fiestas, for San Roque, San Vicente, and annual farewell party that little adrian gone.
Pretty soon a good movie making since I believe the Movie call "No Man an Island" so the new one will be call "No Parish for little adrain". HA HA
Edivaldo and Adrianne better pack up and obey Archbishop Hon..., go to your assignments and do what you have to do there to research the canon law about your assignments..., before your names appears on the picket line saying defrock both of you, as a matter of fact I think I will make a sign for that now...
lets be very clear that Adrian's transfer or reassignment as pastor to san dionisio church is NOT THE SAME as the outright REMOVAL of faculties that occurred with fr. paul as pastor of santa Barbara (not sure if msgr james was pastor and that may be different so i'll leave him out of this). but there are due process rights when removing someone as pastor is my understanding. fr. paul was locked out and told he was removed as a pastor and told to take up residency at st. Anthony parish -- not as a pastor and not even as a regular priest with a regularly scheduled mass. fr. Adrian was just transferred or reassigned. he is still a pastor. no faculties removed. in fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but had tony done the same to fr. paul -- ie just made him pastor of, say, umatac or any other parish, then it would have been proper and not considered a violation of due process under canon law. this is because it wouldn't be a removal of faculties but really just a reassignment and that is within the discretion and authority of archbishop to do. my only point is that it is not the same kind of event at all. apples and oranges. on another note, barrigada folks saying please take him and umatac folks saying OH NO!
Exactly. Yet he is crying as of a grave injustice has been made upon him. Oh, brother ... As you wrote, it's a transfer from one pastoral location to another. Nothing else. The absence of "due process" that he complains about is an administrative oversight, which appeared to be inadvertent on the part of whomever at the Chancery is tasked with informing clergy members affected by the new assignments of Fr. Adrian's new assignment. That is an administrative oversight and that is not on the same level as an event warranting the denial of due process. Oh brother ...
There was no administrative oversight. The assignment was well known to Adrian, many other people were well aware also. He knew that he was going to head to Umatac for almost all of September if not also in August. All the new assignments were not initiated by a letter from Abp Hon, there was discussion prior to any official declaration. Adrian is fabricating and overacting this "outrage."
Thank you, Jose M, for the clarification. The bottom line is that Fr. Adrian (1) is disobedient to Abp Hon's recent clergy assignment; (2) He only wants to do his priestly "ministry" on his terms --- forget the principle that a priest surrenders his life to service of the the Lord and the Church; and (3) he is a whiner.
All these NEOS that have been reassigned will not move because Kiko is their Leader. AB Hon better do something about it or is there a hidden agenda here to make it look like changes are being made? All these NEOS and presbyters are still sitting at their original locations and have refused to move. What's up? Somebody doesn't have the gonads or authority to really make them move? God help us!
So it sounds like both Adrian and Udvaldo have not submitted their letters of resignation. I wonder if any of the kiko presbyters have submitted their letters? If a real priest disobeyed an order of the bishop (ie not reading the crazy letter re bill 326) they would have (and DID) received a stern talking to in public. But why not these idiot presbyters?I know the Church should not publicly lash out at a priest who doesn't submit the letter of resignation, but I would hope that Hon/Fr Jeff can use the disrespect for the people of Umatac and DOC and disobedience to Hon/Fr Jeff as opportunities to remove them as pastors. Send monkey boy to DOC as planned. Adrian is a presbyter who obviously cares nothing for the people of Umatac. He has no real redeeming value to the Archdiocese since he will always try to undermine his superiors. In his case, and because of all the terrible things he has done in the past, I think the best solution is to defrock him. Or send him away to a benevolent bishop willing to take his sorry ass.Let's hope Hon finally sees the frivolity of trying to give these kiko idiots the benefit of the doubt. There should be NO DOUBT that these guys Adrian and monkey boy Uduvaldo) are evil.
Like anon 12:20 a. m. said they are "mankado na pale". We have seen other priests reassigned but no complaint from them. What is with these neo priests that if they don't like their assignment they file a complaint? Its like if an employee in the Government of Guam don't like his/her assignment especially in Law Enforcement they go the the Governor's office crying to the Governor not to be reassign.
Another way to look at the NCW presbyters' refusal to follow through with their new assignments is that, in doing so, they are providing additional proof and ammunition to the local Church's claim that the NCW is THE source of disunity in the Guam's Catholic Church. Both the NCW lay followers (Jackie-the-Trained-Lawyer at the forefront of that list with her recent statements made on behalf of the Neo manned Catholic Cemeteries board) and the NCW clergy are, at present, making a full display and proving our point that the NCW is THE cause of disunity in the Church. Thank you for, once again, helping the true Katolikus make their case.
Adrian is to good for the southern parash and wants to stay in central. Well Adrian I won't be calling you Father Adrian because you don't deserve it. The Souther parishes will remember what you just did. Why don't you go to Qatar and join Louie Camacho who one morning got caught having personal breakfast with a minor.
Why must the entire Catholic faithful suffer from the unwillingness of priest and this NCW! Comfort and spoiled brats have lost their way of "Leave everything behind. Come follow ME"...... Man your assigned stations and touch souls if not a soul, complainers.
As long as apuron continues to retain his title, brother tony is still considered by the neo communities as their savior and the only true bishop on Guam...Which is why adrian does not want to leave Barrigada, apuron as decreed that the San Vicente Church, as the "neo Cathedral" and that adrian is its acting bishop...As far as the rms priest are concerned, it was apuron who assigned them to their current missionary assignments, so to them brother tony is the only person that can reassign them...
Umatic does not deserve Adriana the "Brat". No parish does! Barrigada suffered under his pathetic leadership. AB Hon should have KIKO send his KAKAroach on a mission.
Send him back to Denver. Isn't that where he went in a huff because he was not made a monsignor some years back?
Maybe we should send someone up to San Vicente Parish and change all of the locks on the doors and see if he likes it. Karma!
honestly i agree with Bruce. Firstly i was laughing Adrian assigned to Umatac not because of the people who I know are good kind in the south of Guam. But for Adrian to be assigned Umatac was beneath him. so i laughed. However,reading Adrian's notice if i was living in Umatac i would be offended by him. The reality os the People of Umatac are better off not accepting him as their pastor. The prople deserve better. Hon sent them trash and he knows it.
I don't know what his problem is. He has been getting what he asks for since kingdom come. He was assigned to Maina but ask for transfer because he couldn't get a community started. He was a nobody in Maina. He asked to be transferred to Barrigada because his mother was sick. Father Mike ask to go to Barrigada because both his parents were sick, but he didn't get the assignment. He got Toto. I guess Toto was close enough to Barrigada. The parishioners are still lucky to have him. Adrian needs to go and read the story of the Prince and the Pauper. Remember Adrian that you can pray all you want but Gid does not answer all your prayers. He knows what is best for you. God sees that you need to go to Umatac. This is your mission. Let us see how you will change the lives of the mambihas there. Must be afraid to go. The south is strong in the faith, culture and heritage. They hold the tradition. As the host of the Price is Right will say, ADRIAN, YOU ARE THE NEXT PASTOR SO COME ON DOWN!
He has chosen to play "Let's Make A Deal." Why do I get the feeling he is ending up with a ZONK???????
I hope Archbishop Hon exhibits some backbone and starts forcing the NCW presbyters like Adrian to obey him. It seems like he just lets them do whatever they want-like the previous archbishop.
Follow the money, he stands to lose the monthly income that the NEO community in Barrigada provides. It's really all about the money with Adrian.
The south don't want him.
Wondering if anyone sees the irony of this presbyter's refusal to obey and take the leadership helm of Umatac Church. Neocatechumenals touted the missionary character of their mission. Lie! This is evidence that they are unwilling to do what they say they will. Useless shits!