Tuesday, May 6, 2014

FRUIT?


I get lectured regularly by the Kiko's about the "fruits". We're supposed to judge the Way by its fruits. I have quite a collection of this kind of fruit:
How do you KNOW Kiko lives lavishly? Do you have proof he has a mansion or just pure HATE and PREJUDICE! 



Show us your internet evidence. If nothing, shut your PIE HOLE 
OLD MAN from Santa Rita - GEORGE. Hoooraaah! 
Dear OLD MAN from Santa Rita (aka George). First, I don't know why you use a pseudonym. You are already famous. Second, I'm not sure how this kind of response is supposed to witness to us, the fallen ones, but you should at least know what Kiko says about us:

"Finally, there is a third circle, a third group of brothers and sisters, those who live a lie, who have always lied to themselves. They are those in whom Satan acts, enslaving them.  Not necessarily because they are wicked, or due to any fault of their own, but perhaps for some reason or other that we will not investigate...This mission is very important because, without Judas, there is no Paschal Mystery of Jesus Christ. If you are called to be Jesus Christ, you must have your Judas. Each of you here will have your hour. Your life is in function of assuming an hour...All Christians are called by God to take on this hour.  When that day arrives, these people will have the mission of killing you, of destroying you." - Catechetical Directory for Teams of Catechists Vol. 1.

Notice, "George", Kiko says our "mission is very important" and that without us "there is no Paschal Mystery of Jesus Christ." And that "you must have your Judas" if you are called by Jesus Christ. I'm not sure why you are not on your knees giving thanks for us instead of screaming at us to "shut your PIE HOLE." Or maybe you haven't gotten to that level yet in the Way where they teach you this. But, goodness, you've been in nearly a decade, right? George?

34 comments:

  1. That's the language of cults. They warn their members that there are people out to get them. Cult leaders warn their members of the impending personal harm that is to come to them. Of course it's all fabricated in their minds.
    Hence, every little criticism, every little question, every little alternative thought is approached in a very defensive, contemptuous demeanor that is usually addressed emotionally and irrationally. Hence the Zoltans and Old Men of Santa Rita commentators. They have been programmed to think and react this way.
    The sad thing about the neo cult, they react this way towards their fellow Catholics that are not in the neo. Disturbing.
    I am sure most of them are frothing at the mouth right now reading this.

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    1. The frightening thing is that this talk of persecution starts early in the NCW's initial catechesis.

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  2. Nice picture of George of the jungle! Is that a golden apple he is holding. The Golden boy who is the golden fruit!

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  3. I have never read or heard this language. I have been in the Way for quite long time now, but this language is completely unknown among my sisters and brothers. There is only one Jesus Christ and there was only one Judas Iscariot who betrayed Him. I have never called to be Jesus Christ and I won't ever be. We are human, we are sinners. We meet the Divine in another world only.

    Whatever our Kiko said back in the 60s and 70s of the previous century was right then. Now it is kinda evolving into something much better! We are in a modern world, the 21st Century and don't look back. So why would our critiques go back to the Ancient and pull out something old to throw at us? Do they wanna really hurt us this way? Or confirm our resolution? Kiko is a guide and not a prophet. We are all new women and men now, we look forward and not backward. Charity!

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    1. Dear

      The EAN for the 1st Volume of the Directory in which this quote is found is 978-1-932717-27-3 and is published by Hope Publishing House http://www.hope-pub.com/. Get yourself a copy since your catechists will never give you one.

      While you refer to this quote from Kiko to be something he said back in the 60's or 70's, it is currently the approved teaching according to the following preface information found at the front of the volume:

      The Neocatechumenal Way acts according to the lines proposed by the initiators, contained in the Statute and in the thirteen volumes that bear the title Catechetical directory of the Neocatechumenal Way.

      These studied volumes of the Catechetical directory have been revised by the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith from 1997 to 2003 and opportunely corrected with references to the Catechism of the Catholic Church inserting the themes before each catechesis.

      Recently the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, having one again examined the result of the above-mentioned study, with the end to giving a greater security to the acting of the Neocatechumenal Way, and also to offer a doctrinal guarantee to all the pastors of the Church, has see it opportune to give the Pontifical Council of the Laity - as the Dicastery which follows this ecclesial reality - the responsibility of giving a special approval to the volumes of the Catechetical directory of the Neocatechumenal Way (see the Letter of November 20, 2013, Prot. N. 46/75 - 33843).

      The volume then goes on to copy the letter:

      In light of articles 131 and 133, 1§ 1 and § 2, of the apostolic Constitution Pastor Bonus on the Roman Curia and article 2 of the Statute of the Neocatechumenal Way, the Pontifical Council for the Laity having duly consulted with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, approves the publication of the Catechetical directory as a valid and binding support for the catechesis of the Neocatechumenal Way. The volumes of the Catechetical directory have been properly authenticate by the Pontifical Council for the Laity and sealed copies have been deposited in its archives.

      Given in the Vatican, December 26, 2010, feast of the Holy Family of Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

      Signed by Josef Clemens (Segretario) and Stanislaw Card. Rylko (Presidente)

      As you can see it is quite current. And apparently "approved". So we aren't arguing with you calling us Judases, since apparently it is approved, we are only advising you to do as Kiko instructs and give thanks for us. Charity!

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    2. Soweet Tim and shut your Pie Hole already.

      Old Man from SANTA RITA George.
      Why do you assume I'm from the WAY? What a knuckle head, your mother must drop you when you were born. I'm pretty sure Gino agree with me. Hahaha

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    3. You are completely misguided about who Kiko is and what the Directory is all about. Kiko is a founder and respected Church leader. He is no prophet and he has never overwritten the teaching of the Church. Approval by Vatican means that the Directory is not in conflict with the teaching of the Church. That is all. NCW is based on a Catholic Charism and not on particular persons.

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    4. Umm, because everyone knows who you are. Did you know that the details of your divorce are public information? Someone told me I should publish them. I didn't.

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    5. Too bad you didn't take the time to read what I wrote 11:43. I said the the Directory is approved so there's no argument. And the directory "directs" you to be thankful for us Judases. We are necessary. But we don't see you following Kiko's orders. You don't appear to be very thankful.

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    6. There are no "Judases". You are badly mistaken. There is one Lord and one betrayer. Kiko is a visual person, don't take everything he says word by word. Only if you see the big picture can you get a grasp. You guys follow some patterns, that is all. Kiko may leave one day, and all his visionary images, but the NCW is going to stay standing firm in the soil of Catholic faith and Catholic teaching. Even if you don't believe. I challenge you to talk about this again 10 years from now. ;) Char!

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    7. It says what it says. And according to you, the church has approved it. So it's done. Regardless of whether you call us Judases, we who persecute you are necessary. Give thanks.

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    8. That volume of the Guidelines for Teams of Catechists has a 2012 copyright date. Prove to us that it's not the real deal.

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    9. Yes, George is a Neocat. This is my message to George: Please keep an open mind and heart. The unity of our Catholic Church is paramount, and for that unity to form, an open heart and mind are critical. Test everything, including your own walk and practices. Listen. Do not obey blindly. I'm sure that Mr. Rohr and other non-neocats are very supportive of the neocats personal efforts to grow and love our Lord, but your superiors(the Kikos) run it like all non-neocats are doomed unless they join the NCW. Don't you think this is wrong? If not, then Saints John Paul II and John XXIII are doomed as well. Do not be afraid. Allow the Holy Spirit to guide your mind and heart. Courage, and Peace.

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    10. Where does it say that those who aren't in the NCW are Judas? And yes it says what it says Tim, but your misinterpreting it...

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    11. Well then provide the interpretation.

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    12. So David who are the Judases Kiko is referring too?

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  4. Kiko is a con artist & the Way is a cult.
    repeat: CON ARTIST & CULT!!

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  5. Oh my. It seems like the people in the communities can't stay away. This advice is out of love to my brothers and sisters. As a former Neocat I have seen the great good of many of you. Please show that good to people if you want them to see the fruits. Please stop saying mean things beciase then you show that youre fruit is bad. Peace.

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  6. Ric you are mistaken. This is George, me and Gino are putting a group Anti-Tim white Tiger Roarrr. By the way Tim, what divorce? I'm a widow Marine veteran from Virginia. Shame on you for pinning it on some one.

    OLD MAN from Santa Rita

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    1. Shame on you for being a discredit to the Marines. Most Marines I know aren't afraid to put their name to their words.

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    2. Dear Old Man you make no sense at all. But brother please. Listen to Fr. Pius and your cathechists. Stop playing in the jungle. You're making things worse for you and the Way. This behavior is so out of line with most members I know who have good hearts. Please stop.

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    3. If you are a widow, then you are a female, but you sound like a male. Which is it? And why Anti-Tim? Tim's blog is opened to all, and Tim is free, like you, to present his viewpoint? But why attack him personally? I have known Marines all my life and they are professional, courteous, and proper, sometimes excessively so, but they maintain a professionalism that is a credit to their Corp. Let us all start looking at the messages being presented, not attacking the messengers.

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    4. "George" the only one who should be ashamed is yourself. My father is a Marine and your character is very unbecoming of one.

      You are not Rumpelstiltskin, so if the assumption about your identify is wrong, don't dance a jig, come out and state your name and clear the supposed person you are not. (I.B)

      I think you believe the taunting is wearing down on folks, or maybe even Tim, but it is just solidifying, with every bozo comment, that you are a small-brained fellow. The world is reading this stuff and you just keep dishing it out!

      I suggest you start your own blog for you and Gino because with the international readership here, you are not doing your neo brethren any favors, but by all means, keep speaking out the way you do. We all need a laugh now and then.

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  7. This is Pie Hole to Georgie Porgie........when the girls came out to play Georgie Porgie ran away....URAH!!!!!!!

    Coward!

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    1. Anon 4:24 PM I state my Name George. Why don't you state your name and stop hiding behind Tim's skirt, you are pathetic. Again believe it or not I REPEAT I DO NOT BELONG TO NEO. IRISH CATHOLIC HERE! Who' s a coward now.

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  8. George is the name, hahaha

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  9. I am really getting tired of hearing this argument, especially from the neocats, that because "something" produces fruits, then because of that fruit, it justifies anything that "something" does. If "something" does something bad or evil or unjustified, or makes a mistake, does producing a fruit excuse it or ignore what wrong "something" has inflicted. I do not think that anyone has any problem with the positive effects(the fruit) that the NCW has produced for many of its members, as in helping mend broken families, etc., but when the NCW or its members do something bad or wrong, then they should account for it, as with everyone else, and not excuse what they did bad or wrong on the reason that they produced fruits. And what if the fruit is bad?

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  10. Their CDTC Vol.1; Looks like a cult, sounds like a cult, feels like a cult...It's a CULT!
    Another Jim Jones of 'The Peoples Temple'

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  11. George don't listen to these D-bags. Someone called these guys Nut huggers who sniffs Tim's scrotum.

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  12. This is getting funnier. Sorry George. Everyone knows who you are. And if you really are a Marine, you'd be a man and come and see me if you have a problem with me. In fact, if you really are a Christian, you would come and see me. I'm going to spare you any further embarrassment and not post any of your fake crap. Go over to Diana.

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    1. Thanks Tim, not one of his comments were intelligent or productive. Kitty cats don't survive in the jungle!

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  13. Oh Georgie, Tim is right. You need to go Diana's blog. There you can air out your concerns. She will tell you the same thing
    She told Zoltan. Stay out of the jungle!

    Take the advice of the Archbishop from his homily during the Chrism Mass. " I am sensitive to criticism, but the support from the community makes me stronger." This statement should have been " I am sensitive to criticism, but I find my support and strength in God through prayer.

    While You are there you may even want to ask her to make puddin and pie for you. If not, there maybe left overs of curds and wheys from Little Miss Muffet.

    Some people cannot handle the kettle when it's hot...you are just one of many!

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  14. Why should anyone see you or contact you, Tim? Is this some kind of condition of using your blog? Well, a blog is a completely different kind of poetry from personal contacts. People write comments here because they have some opinion to share, but do NOT want to contact you on the phone or see you in person. Don't you agree?

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    1. Hmmm. I see you are watching from Hagatna. Could it be from "the hill".

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