Saturday, September 17, 2016

SUE HON FIRST!

From the KUAM news story:

Church goers are asked to sign a petition at the end of mass in hopes of swaying Governor Eddie Calvo to veto the bill, but introduce legislation that would only hold abusers accountable, not institutions. 

Really, Hon? How does one hold the now dead Antonio Cruz accountable? Where do all of his victims go? To his grave to piss on it? 

How does one seek justice from a 95 year old Luis Brouillard who abused more boys than he can remember. He can hardly leave his couch and has no assets other than a monthly stipend from the Archdiocese of Agana. What the hell, Hon? What the hell!

You're full of it, Hon. You're full of it. Screw you. Let's sign that bill and get those law suits ready. And sue Hon first.

35 comments:

  1. I had a question about today's gospel, but it seems to have been answered before even asking...God or mammon?

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    1. Bankruptcy: You asked for it; you got it!

      Did the NCW Cult really think they could shield the Yoña property from the just claims of Archdiocesean creditors?

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    2. The process of Healing a wound starts with cleansing the "wound" of "filth" that is the cause of infection. The Body of Christ, the Church, has an open "Spiritual" wound that must be cleansed before healing can begin. The "pus" from this spiritual infection has shown itself in aberrant clergy such as, Apurun, Adriana, DQ,& Rudeee. The infection has spread throughout the diocese leaving the Church vunerable to other viruses, enter the NCW, a virulent form of the dreaded "staff" that is resistant to "anti-biotics" like JW, CCOG & LFM. The Silent No More anti-biotic strain has produced the best results to date.
      A new anti-biotic is sitting on the desk of the Governor for approval, Bill 326-33.
      In many cases, amputation of the infected limb becomes necessary to save the body (Church)from putrefaction. In the Church, amputations are removal of faculties, Defrocking & Excommunication.
      But as we speak, Rome is "Burning" (spiritually), as it has been ransacked by the gay mafia and NCW virus.
      So if your wondering why Hon is not competent (or truthful) he has already contracted the NCW virus in Rome.
      And Rome, with these viruses running amok, (as evident by the Pope's recent letters to the Argentina Bishops), has lost "spiritual" virility.

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    3. The process of Healing a wound starts with cleansing the "wound" of "filth" that is the cause of infection. The Body of Christ, the Church, has an open "Spiritual" wound that must be cleansed before healing can begin. The "pus" from this spiritual infection has shown itself in aberrant clergy such as, Apurun, Adriana, DQ,& Rudeee. The infection has spread throughout the diocese leaving the Church vunerable to other viruses, enter the NCW, a virulent form of the dreaded "staff" that is resistant to "anti-biotics" like JW, CCOG & LFM. The Silent No More anti-biotic strain has produced the best results to date.
      A new anti-biotic is sitting on the desk of the Governor for approval, Bill 326-33.
      In many cases, amputation of the infected limb becomes necessary to save the body (Church)from putrefaction. In the Church, amputations are removal of faculties, Defrocking & Excommunication.
      But as we speak, Rome is "Burning" (spiritually), as it has been ransacked by the gay mafia and NCW virus.
      So if your wondering why Hon is not competent (or truthful) he has already contracted the NCW virus in Rome.
      And Rome, with these viruses running amok, (as evident by the Pope's recent letters to the Argentina Bishops), has lost "spiritual" virility.

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  2. This Church "Kill Bill" tactic is diabolical! Damn!

    Priests and nuns etc. Be afraid for your souls!!! Don't sell yourselves for money and assets. You should know better as to what you should care for! In case you forgot, your soul is more important!!!


    Sign the "kill Bill" petition = "Yes" to child rape and molestation!

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  3. Hon's letter is absolutely ridiculous. He talks about unintended consequences?

    What Hon forgot to mention are the following unintended consequences:
    Hon knew of sex abuse when he was here in January 2015, which resulted in an unintended consequence of enraging the people of Guam.
    Hon knew since 01/15 of Apurun's abuse of sex abuse policies and did nothing, resulting in the unintended consequence of allowing further abuse by Apurun.
    Hon allowed the NCW idiots to control the Church which resulted in the unintended consequence of splitting the dioces to where we are today.
    Hon did absolutely nothing to protect victims or our youth until lawsuits were filed, which was an unintended consequence.
    Hon reached out to Apurun in his first prayer service while totally ingoring victims, which resulted in the unintended consequence of making the legislature wonder why the diocese showed no care for the victims.
    Hon did nothing to address the legislature's bill which resulted in the unintended consequence of giving the senators the impression that the Church intended to do nothing about the sex abuse crisis.

    No need to go on further.

    When you treat the victims like shit they will sue you, when you treat them with dignoity and respect they will not. The consequence is what you made it to be.

    The laity has been screaming for help for more than three years and Rome has done nothing to address a whole string of legitimate issues. The consequence is the bill now before the Government. How dare you tell us we should understand the unintended consequences.

    We have seen this trainwreck coming for a long time while Rome fell asleep at the wheel. Maybe the unintended consequence you should be aware of is that by our reaching out to Rome, and its refusal to act, you are also an institution liable for lawsuits. There's an unintended consequence you probably haven't considered.

    Well, get ready!

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  4. What Hon didn't say in his letter is that wherever these statutes have been lifted, they have always included institutions, and rightly so, since it was the institution that allowed the abuse to happen without taking responsible steps to prevent it.

    And in Guam, the institution is guilty of neglect, the NCW is guilty of neglect, and Rome is guilty of neglect. Why is it that the victims should not be allowed to hold these parties accountable?

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  5. Hon is trying to protect his comfy chair just like brother tony was trying to protect his ride that only HE could drive. Mission poor diocese my ass. Their mission was to abuse alter servers and protect the pedophiles all at the expense of the faithful.

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  6. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)September 18, 2016 at 1:53 AM

    There are so many terrible consequences from Fr. Apuron’s administration. The Faithful are partly to blame for “just taking it.” But, enough! Is enough! The Faithful are now putting a stop to the continued poor decisions and poor leadership of the Church even if they have to temporarily drive the Church to its darkest hours yet. Unlike the doom and gloom painted by the Fr. Hon’s letter opposing Bill 326-33, the Church will eventually rise to be healthier, cleaner, and more transparent. I have seen it happened in Washington State where I live. The Lord will bring that day to the Church on Guam, but the Faithful must continue the clean-up and speak out! Constantly keep in mind the decades prior when the Faithful didn’t speak out and see the consequence of the mess that it has created today. Do you want to leave your children and grandchildren to inherit this mess? The life and the culture of Guam are so very, very intertwined with the Church i.e. baptisms, confirmations, weddings and the related fiestas to celebrate those sacraments; rosaries prayed for the dead; elaborate wakes and funerals lasting for days; the blessing of the food at parties and fiestas; the blessing of one’s home, etc. that is a special way of life and it so intertwined with the Church. Guam’s culture is a beautiful culture. The Church is a big part of that culture. You will want (even expect) your children and grandchildren to continue to follow the practices of this culture and its traditions. Because you do, make sure that they continue with the culture under the context of healthy, transparent, and well managed Catholic Church. One way to effect that is to make sure there is a state/island law (as opposed to canon law because state/island law is accessible to all) “in the books” that would help deter, not only the abuse against minors but the subsequent practice of institutional cover-ups. Government steps in when the people cannot manage themselves. For Guam, the signing of Bill 326-33 is one of those times when Government must step in for a healthier and safer environment for minors.

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    1. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)September 18, 2016 at 3:06 AM

      Bill 326-33 is a matter which addresses public safety and public health issues. The government must step in and make this bill into law.

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  7. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)September 18, 2016 at 1:57 AM

    I live in Washington State. In 2004, the Diocese of Spokane (in eastern Washington) filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection against mounting claims for clergy childhood sexual abuse. While still in bankruptcy, in 2007 it agreed to pay at about $48M as compensation to adults abused by priests as children. The money for the settlement came from insurance companies, the sale of some church property, contributions from Catholic groups and from the diocese's parishes. That settlement left open the possibility of new claims being filed. By 2010, about two dozen alleged victims have come forward, and paying them has drained a special fund that had to be replenished. In 2012, while still in bankruptcy a plan was designed and put into effect to lift the Spokane diocese out of bankruptcy and included non-economic provisions to give victims some "closure". If the Catholic Church of Guam has to file for Bankruptcy protection, sell off some of its properties it won’t be the end of the world for the Church as shown in this example of the Diocese of Spokane. Of course the Church on Guam is going to lose certain things. That loss is the consequence of decades of child sexual abuse and the institutional practice to cover-up. The loss of assets is a consequence. For the Church of Guam now to advocate for NOT losing anything after decades of committing sexual violations on minors is asking for something that is not just! The Faithful cannot support this plea from Fr. Hon’s 9/15/2016 letter. It is a plea to promote injustice. The Lord is both merciful AND JUST. Even though labeled as “alleged” at this point, in my book, the Church “did the crime” and “it has to do its time” which could include Bankruptcy, selling off of properties, tightening its budget which could include the decrease of social services (which, according the pie chart of the annual Catholic appeal, 99% of the appeal goes to the seminaries and no funds go to social services so loss of those services has already been lost). But these consequences should have been thought of decades ago and actions from the top and bottom to stop the violations and the cover should have been taken. Now, decades later the Church, the Faithful are dealing with the consequences. The fall-out was inevitable. The fall-out is now. Clergy and Faithful suck it up now and do the right thing, while looking ahead for a brighter tomorrow for the Church. It will come. The Church has been resilient for 2000+ years.

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  8. Yes, file bankruptcy now.

    I just posted a comment with the same recommendation, in another thread.

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    1. I like you CNMI Lawyer. Lets do RICO act. You can be Guams Gerry Spence.

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  9. In a newsletter Clarke Forsythe wrote:

    On this day in 1787, September 17, the delegates to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia signed the document that became a cornerstone of our unique experiment in democracy. It is a sometimes fragile document that can hold the nation together or be used to destroy. I’m reminded of the words of Abraham Lincoln, who said, “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”



    We the Catholics of Guam do not want to destroy our church. We want to remove the people who are destroying it.

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    1. And that is why we protest in front of the Cathedral every Sunday from 9:00-9:45 a.m. Join us in sending this message to Hon and the "officious intermeddlers" who monger fear.

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  10. Tim, when BJ originally introduced the statute of limitations bill, I thought you also did not want institutional liability. What made you change your views? The church as an institution should always have been accountable for the abuse.

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    1. I opposed his bill altogether because it had nothing to do w justice for victims, only vengeance for BJ.

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  11. "unintended consequences," my ass.

    let's fully *intend* to sue hon. that's the *consequence* of his actions and inactions.

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  12. Hon probably gonna EXTEND the catholic charities appeal. Quitugua placed the diocese into even more debt and the hagatña church still leaks while these pedophiles still roam freely hidden by brother Tony's reign.

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  13. Tim, when I was a student at St. Anthony School in the mid-90s while the gym was being built, the superintendent in charge of construction, Bong (I still remember his name), inappropriately touched me while I was walking from the gym back to the school. I was in third grade and I immediately reported the incident to the principal. At the time, it was Sr. Kathleen Sarmiento, RSM. She met with my mom to discuss what happened, and I recall that she indicated that she reported the incident to the Archbishop. Sr. Kathleen also confronted and questioned Bong herself, but I doubt the police were contacted as I was never interviewed by law enforcement. I'm pretty sure Sr. Mary Rose Elliot, RSM and Mrs. Elizabeth San Nicholas would have been also made aware of what happened since they were also administrators when the incident happened. The construction superintendent was asked to leave the job that same day. While the one incident did not traumatize me at all, I'm sure that guy probably preyed on other students as well and could have possibly done worse things. It's sickening that for years, Catholic school administrators have been forced to report incidents of abuse to the Archbishop, an abuser himself. It's even more sickening now that Catholic school administrators, teachers, and even students are being asked to speak out against the statute of limitations bill because of the institutional liability issue. I now practice law in Los Angeles. I'm not interested in filing any action against the church. However, the option must be left open to those who were scarred by clergy or any other individual the church was responsible for.

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    1. Tim, it has come to my attention that my comment has been the cause of some discussion at St. Anthony School. It is now my understanding that at that time, Mrs. San Nicholas did not yet serve as an administrator.

      I do not harbor any ill will towards the administrators at the time. I apologize for any misunderstanding. My gripe is with the church's current stance on the SOL bill. I received an excellent education at St. Anthony. If I was still living on Guam I would not hesitate to send my own daughter to my alma mater.

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  14. This church needs deep cleaning. We cannot keep sweeping filth under the rug. CLERGY, again we ask, WHAT SAYETH THOU? ANYTHING?

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  15. I will be signing the petition as such: "GFYH! and that goes with all your abusers, enablers and abetter priest". (go figure, Hon)

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  16. Hon, you have unveiled your true colors and the sad reality is that we now know who your true masters are. When you came here we hoped that you will be part of the solution only to find out that you are now the problem. Using innocent school children to sign your petitions as part of your ploy to try & derail this bill is the ultimate hypocrisy. As a parent and faithful Catholic it is time to flush out the evil within the Church that has been perpetuated upon the innocent over the years. I believe in my heart of hearts that the mythical phoenix will rise from the ashes as we struggle to make our Church whole again.

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  17. Yona Priest held us captive with the final blessing as he read Hon's letter. After he read it then he added his 2 cents. I regret not recording it as I "had" a deep respect for this young priest. His comments to the faithful was that "I do not want to lose what my predecessors built". To all the clergy, it was not the priest that donated the land, or fund raised to build the buildings, "IT WAS THE PEOPLE"! The people will support the Catholic Church if the priest and bishops can be trusted! At this point the people cannot trust their priest and certainly not their bishops. The priest say the sex abuse crimes were horrible, but apparently not horrible enough to sacrifice a building. When I was in Saudi Arabia, during Desert Storm, the rare times that a Catholic Chaplain would come by to my location, Mass was held in the open and the altar was either a stack of MRE cases or the hood of a HUMMV. There was no air conditioning, no pews or kneelers. We knelt on the sand and dirt. Now we have all these glorious buildings and we forget what the Church is really about. It is the people!! The clergy have chosen their buildings over our children. It is our children that they abused and our children that we need to protect because once again they will not help us protect our kids. There are people that did not do anything wrong, no kidding. Build a Trust Fund, is that for after the clergy have have their way with our kids? Where was the clergy when the bill was being crafted? Why didn't Hon and the clergy speak out then? They had their chance and now they are going to pressure the Governor to veto the bill. The clergy have shown they cannot be trusted since they are circling the wagons and trying to protect what they think is their own. Clean the filth out first then and only then can we begin to trust our clergy again. They are going to scare the children and in turn the parents. For Hon and the clergy to use the Mass and the pulpit was dirty and underhanded. Shame on you!! I am looking for a holy priest that did not succumb to the evil of Hon's directive.

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    1. The young priest said, "I do not want to lose what my predecessors built." In that case, speak up, young priest, speak up against all the abuses within the Church done by the clergy in the name (or guise) of the Church! Young priest, you are fortunate that Mr. Joseph A. Santos did not name you. Because the Laity now want to know who is for us and who is against us. Mr. young priest, last chance: are you for us or against us?

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    2. I too attended mass in the open air during Desert Storn. Where two or more are gathers he is in our midst. They had every opportunity to rectify the division but chose to remain silent while this predator continued to bring down the Church. They are too late. Unless a grain of wheat fall to the ground and die,. It remains but a single grain with no life. A cleansing is needed in order to rebuild a stronger church.

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  18. Hon, you had every opportunity to testify during the legislative hearings on this bill but you & your cohorts chose to stand by and remain silent. Well, the train has left the station and you, Hon, are
    now left standing holding the bag! Justice will prevail!!!

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    1. Hon thought that the Guam Legislature would not pass the bill; just like he told the CB parishioners that the protestors would go away in two weeks. His in ability to "use his power" is a reflection on his ability to lead. Rome; you should have sent a pastoral bishop instead of this idiot bureaucrat who continually threatened that "he has the power"...wtf...

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  19. Well there's my answer. The Yona parish administrator is a Capuchin priest and he went right along with Hon. What a very sad day for Guam and our people. Are there any good priests left? Please stand up and be counted.

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  20. Our Church is facing the most difficult challenge in its history. How it responds to this crisis will affect the lives of those yet to come. It has to accept the consequences for turning a blind eye to all that has been going on. The clergy has to own up for not bringing these abuses to Rome, since it involved the Bishop of Guam.



    There are no good choices in this matter. The victims have indeed had their lives destroyed by the dastardly actions of Apuron and some of the clergy and there is no way that the victims and their loved ones can be made whole. Lives have been ruined, and there is no way that enough compensation can atone for the anguish and pain they have endured all these years.



    The Church is obliged to take what ever action is necessary to discuss the matter of settlement with the victims before going to court. The other option, allowing all of the Church’s assets to be at risk is not a viable option, since the harm will affect future generations. The legislation, if signed, will put at risk all of assets of the Church, including all Catholic Schools, parishes and other assets belonging to the Church. Think of the consequences and harm to future generations of our children if the Church were to lose the Academy of Our Lady of Guam, Father Duenas Memorial School or the other schools in the Diocese. The RMS Seminary property is no longer owned by the Diocese since Apuron has legally transferred the title to NCW so this will not be an option for settlement.



    Archbishop Hon and Fr. Jeff San Nicolas are duty bound to reach out to Attorney Lujan to seek an equitable settlement to prevent the devastation that has been experienced by other Diocese in the mainland. The responsibility for reaching out rests with AB Hon and Fr. Jeff.




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    1. with all due respect, mr tanaka, tim has already explained why institutional liability is a necessary element in this legislation. it allows victims of abuse the means to take institutions to court, particularly when the institution has vast resources and power at its disposal.

      furthermore, it recognizes the fact that institutions often do share the blame for allowing the abuses to happen, or for covering them up.

      removing the institutional liability from this legislation will turn it into a law with a lot of bark but no bite--how would that protect the victims of abuse or help prevent it from continuing?

      i attended fd back when the facilities were in less-than-ideal shape: no air conditioning, metal grills for windows, leaky roofs, a "brand new" gym that was already old. my takeaway from that experience that's most relevant to this discussion? the property is not the most important thing that educates a person. fd is not a group of buildings in tai.

      fortes in fide.

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    2. Mr. Tanaka, I would rather have a Church free of filth under its rugs. Future generations could benefit from a clean church. The end will never justify evil means. NEVER!

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    3. The church hierarchy deliberately chose to make their bed, now THEY can sleep in it and accept the consequences. Stop protecting the perpetrators and pass the bill!

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    4. mr. tanaka, i was at fd when you were there. i'm sure you remember what the facilities were like in "the good old days." whatever it is today is the result of a lot of help from the LAITY, not the priests.
      IF it is lost in order to provide justice to the victims of sexual abuse by the clergy, so what! where's your priorities? Don't worry, after the mess in the archdiocese of agana is cleaned up, the LAITY will pitch in and rebuild. Remember, "the phoenix rises!!"

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