Wednesday, May 28, 2014

HMMMM. WONDER WHO WILL BE THE GUEST SPEAKER...

...given the theme~



24 comments:

  1. Probably Father Pius, Kiko Arguello, Pat Cottman.

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    1. And the lovely lady, Carmen.

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  2. Tim, if there will be forgiveness and reconciliation then this blog will be effectively out of order.

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  3. Perhaps, Diana will be the guest speaker. Or even better: professor Zoltan! LOL

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  4. Forgiveness is one thing; However, the true reconciliation and healing process can only begin when the Archbishop can separate himself from the Neos and be a father to all the faithful on Guam. You can talk about forgiveness until you turn blue, but if you are not sincere about a fresh start, then it's pointless.

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    1. Janet B - MangilaoMay 28, 2014 at 3:14 PM

      I agree wholeheartedly with Anon May 28 @ 1:50PM. Our dear Archbishop made a feeble attempt of apology at the Chrism Mass, televised for the whole world, but he didn't apologize for any particular action, nor did he act in any way whatsoever to fix anything. It's like stealing someone's car, getting caught, then apologizing to the car owner, but not wanting to return the car. It was a pointless and insincere effort to mock sorrow. It did not work.
      Archbishop - simply fix all the problems, then apologize, and that will be enough for us.

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  5. There is quite a lis from the above names that were mentioned:
    1) Father Adrian Cristobal
    2) Father Alberto Santiago
    3) Father Edulvaldo
    4) Benjamin Leon Guerrero II
    5) Dennis Santo Tomas
    6) Married Couples who found forgiving each other through the NVW
    7) Archbishop Apuron stating he has forgiven those who posted on the jungle but most especially asks for forgiveness from Father Paul.

    And the list goes on!

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  6. What a mockery of the sacrament of Reconciliation and Confession will they be making at that conference when they know full well it is merely for appearances!

    It is a neo event. Period. I am not attending, let alone pay them a fee to attend???

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    1. Just another event to recruit more clueless people.

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    2. Anonymous (May 28, 2014 at 3:30 PM), the Archdiocesan Catechetical-Liturgical Conference is definitely not a “neo event”; it is the annual opportunity for Catholic school teachers, CCD and RCIA catechists, members of various ministries and other interested persons to increase their levels of knowledge about the Faith and/or improve their skills. This event is organized by the Division of Pastoral Ministries, under Sister Marian Arroyo, RSM. The poster indicates this is the fourth conference; let’s look at the past conferences:

      • Conference #1 (2011): “Do This in Memory of Me,” with the title based on the USCCB theme for Catechetical Sunday, addressed the changes in the English translation of the Roman Missal, according to friends who participated;

      • Conference #2 (2012): “Year of Faith: Re-awakening the Joy and Believing,” a title loosely based on the USCCB’s theme of “Catechists and Teachers as Agents of the New Evangelization”;

      • Conference #3 (2013): “Year of Faith: Opening the Door to Celebrate, to Profess, and to Witness,” another title taking its lead from the USCCB’s “Year of Faith: Open the Door of Faith”;

      • Conference # 4 (2014): “Teaching About God’s Gift of Forgiveness,” as with Conference #1, has a title mirrors the USCCB’s theme, which will address Sacramental Forgiveness. In time we will see what topics this conference will offer.

      In light of the fact that from the first conference in 2011, Guam’s Archdiocesan Catechetical-Liturgical Conference has taken its lead from the USCCB, I honestly believe it’s a bit of a stretch to label it a “neo event.”

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  7. These clueless people will be told that they can only receive God's gift of forgiveness through the NCW. And what a disgrace to Bishop Baumgartner, that this event is being held at a school named after him.

    They'll probably will say something like... Brothers and sisters, please don't forget to leave your contact information before your leave, so that we can assign you to a community. This is the first step to receiving God's gift of forgiveness. Thank you and remember...Kiko loves you.

    Sorry if anyone feels like vomiting after reading this.

    Thank you God for sparing me first hand experience of the NCW.

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  8. Just need to make sure, that every non kiko Catholic on the island shows up outside for a vigil of prayer and demonstrate the rejection of the interlopers by the great majority of Catholics here on the Island. Bring your Rosary and pray to expel the evil out of our Church.
    The coverage of said event would be so negative for the NCW, it would be a great catalyst for change.

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    1. I doubt it will happen. What would be your purpose. It would automatically seem like a protest of hate. Why do i say hate? because you said "expel the evil out of our church." Who ever loves evil? Nobody. And now you are saying "[it] would be so negative for the NCW. You are pushing for people to look at the NCW with a negative perception. But why?

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    2. Evil never appears as evil. Like Satan in the Garden, it appears as something good, it appears to make sense. It even bears fruit...for a time. Kiko declared war on the Holy Catholic Faith when he refused to comply with the Pope's 2005 instruction. He didn't just "disagree". He disobeyed and taught his millions to do the same. You are one.

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    3. Tim, you keep insisting that Kiko declared war, you keep insisting that he has disobeyed, but tell me why the Pope has not recognized this? Tell me why the investigation on the NCW was dropped? Tell me why YOU think you are smarter than our holy father? Do you think the Popes have failed? It is implied with what you are saying.

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    4. David, excellent example of Neo narcissism: Because we haven't been slapped yet, it must be okay. Do you know anything about history. Do you know how long and hard Pope Pius V worked behind the scenes to keep Henry VIII from splitting from the Church? Do you know anything about how the Church worked with Luther, Nestorius, Arius...? How do you know the investigation wasn't stopped because the object of the investigation was achieved and that Pope Francis opted for a more pastoral approach to the corrections needed than simply a severe disciplinary one. His talk to the Neos on Feb. 1 certainly indicated this, as well as his instruction to Kiko to conform to your charter. Stop being immature about it. Read your statute and tell us why you do not conform to it, not just about how you are getting away with not doing so.

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    5. Like I always say, you never know to the end. We do conform Tim. Accept it. And if we are wrong, I will admit that we are wrong.

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    6. 1. Does the priest communicate after he has distributed the consecrated host?
      2. Do you consume the host seated?
      3. Do you wait to consume the host till all have received?

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    7. David? David? Where'd you go, man? I'll check back in an hour or so.

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    8. You know the answers to the questions. Why should i reply?

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    9. You said "we do conform, accept it." You don't conform. You just admitted it.

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    10. To my knowledge we do. I will stand corrected when the Pope says so. I know you'll say "Because we haven't been slapped yet, it must be okay." Then you will claim me to be narcissist. The truth we be told in the end, if the NCW is really "disobeying" then thank you for trying your best to get it in our skulls. But I hope in return if you are wrong, you'll understand and accept it.

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    11. David. Let me try again. Suppose I am openly, publicly, and flagrantly receiving Holy Communion while I am in a state of mortal sin (such as living as an adulterer). Suppose the priest does not say anything to me and continues to allow me to receive communion. Have I not sinned because the priest has not told me that I have sinned, or have I sinned by the fact itself?

      Another scenario. Every day, sadly, many people excommunicate themselves from the Church for deliberately procuring an abortion or assisting someone in doing so. The Pope does not issue an edict of excommunication for these instances. One is excommunicated by the fact itself.

      Every Sunday, hundreds of priests, not just neos, take liberties with the liturgy not authorized by the Missal or its Instruction. Insofar as they do, they violate their "charter" every bit as much as you do. The pope does not have a police force to go around peeking into every liturgy. This is why the duty falls to the bishop who is the guardian of the liturgy (and of course the entire Catholic Faith) in his diocese.

      So while you are waiting for the Pope to spank your hands, the pope is actually waiting for the bishops to do their job. Some do. Ours doesn't. But regardless, intelligent faithful people should know what their Church requires and should question any priest who departs from those requirements.

      There may be things we do not know about, a special permission in some cases. If there is, then the priest has the duty to prevent scandal to educate his congregation. This is why we have simply asked our Archbishop to educate us. If there is a permission to deviate from your charter, then he is complicit in the sin of scandal for not teaching us. If there isn't said permission, then he is complicit in the flagrant violation of your charter.

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