It has been rather quiet lately, hasn't it? What happened to the constant harping that I was spreading gossip and evil division? Hmmm. Maybe the facts had something to do with it? Of course, most of them have been presented before. And it really is a shame I have to do this again. But just so you know why I am, I am copying again the challenge below.
The original comment can be found here. It came from a person who had been harassing me and mocking this blog for several days. (It certainly sounds like someone "in the know".)
The original comment can be found here. It came from a person who had been harassing me and mocking this blog for several days. (It certainly sounds like someone "in the know".)
* You have seen according to your own premise. Show me the facts.
*What false allegations has the Archbishop placed against Fr. Paul? A Letter was sent to Fr. Paul for his removal and the reasons as to. Fr. Paul has denied it and this is where we are at today.
As you can see, this is the one we are now on.
*The RMS Seminary was acquired as a gift. The archdiocese did not invest a dollar into its acquisition. Show us the Facts behind the termination of the council, the reasons.
Oh, we're going to have fun with this one.
*The RMS remains a seminary for Guam and the World. All priests formed there are under the jurisdiction of the Archbishop. They belong to Guam, there is no lie in this. The other seminary was formed because Junee Valencia declined to be formed by a NCW RMS and the discernment continues for Junee who was also a postulant with the Friars.
Yes, that other seminary was formed when we, here on this blog, blew the cover on RMS. But really? A second seminary? Gonna have fun with this one too.
*Aaron was not lied to. What Aaron needs to do is ask how did Richard Kidd avail of his off-island formation? This is where the truth lies. I guess Aaron is not on Msgr Benaventes favorite list. It is true though, today Guam has two seminaries who the people refuse to support. By the grace of God and His faithful providence, it continues.
Umm, we really have the goods on this one. You're not going to be happy you brought this up again. In fact, this is the lie the people of Guam care most about.
*Do you know why we have these filipino priests? Because Guam did not have enough priests. There was no one entering the program. These priests were brought to Guam but they somehow forgot that they were at the service of the Archbishop and the faithful. Record speaks for itself, almost all of these priests have refused and have chosen to be disobedient. I dare you to call any of these parishes that are housing these priests and see if they are willing to go beyond the front doors of the parish. Fr. J. de los Reyes continues to use his financial influence as his weapon to stay untouched in Dededo, hes actually been winning.Do you really want to go after the Filipino's this way? Really? Remember, regardless of who you are, everyone sees this as though it's coming directly from the chancery.
*Guam has not lied to the Extension Society. You do the math. We are sufffering and have been way before the NCW arrived. If you dont agree with the existence of the RMS then it is not worth the dialogue, you do not support it period.And why was Guam suffering? Do you think it might have had anything to do with the person that has been running the place for three decades?
*Your judgement of the Fruits of the RMS is a personal one and since you are very firm in those judgements, I will not waste my time. We dont need good priests, what we need is Holy Priests.Why not both? Is this an admission that RMS priests are not "good"? Your words, not mine.
Guam Catholics are not dumb. If youve never been taught basic math I cannot cite you for your addition mistakes. The same is with the vast majority of people who do not know the NCW, its not their fault that they criticize or persecute, but they do need to be given the truth. I am a member, I have experienced it, I know the truth. What I share is not limited to what I have heard, read or seen but also based on my physical and spiritual presence within the NCW. I stook around for more than one day, one month or even one year.And that explains pretty much everything. BTW, obviously they didn't teach you to have the courage of your convictions or you wouldn't be hiding.
You assume again that I am a person of church hierarchy, I am not the Archbishop. I am a catholic who can lay claim to a parish of my own. I have a community of believers who are sinners, people I can say, I know and share in their sufferings. I am a catholic who goes to Eucharist every Saturday evening and again on Sunday morning. I try my best to make it to daily Eucharist on top of the Word Celebration I have within the community. I continue to support our Seminaries, I do not withhold what I have been blessed with. I am a cheerful giver of my time, talent and treasure.You sound pretty bitter to me. So you admit that you attend two churches. One with the Neos and the other with us regular Catholics. Thanks.
I do not boast of my Natural Man, this man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God. So if you want to continue to acclaim your manhood, go ahead and be a man. Joy!Not asking you to boast of your "Natural Man", whatever the hell that is. Just asking if you will boast of your "Christian Man", if you will put your name to your beliefs, otherwise they are worth nothing. Can't imagine the apostles using pseudonyms.
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As you can see, we are just on the first one and they have already gone quiet. Guess that order came from the top. Too late. EVERYONE WILL KNOW THE FACTS. In response to my first post on the Illegitimate Removal of Fr. Paul, this "challenger" quipped that I was making it painful for Fr. Paul. I don't think so. Does the Archbishop know who you are? You better hope not.
You dwell in the pain and suffering of another person. This makes everything even more painful. Why don't you trust the Church that it will complete the investigation? Why do you want to take justice into your own hands? This is not what Catholics do.
ReplyDeleteYou go after people and threaten them as we have seen here in this blog and documented at Diana's blog. You want to collect donation for downloads making your plots profitable. It is not about Fr. Paul anymore, it is about your hatred against church groups that you label "modernists". You should stop misleading your own gullible followers and you should stop using Fr. Paul for your own personal purposes. Hope!
Ummm, excuse me, but it was you who said:
Delete*What false allegations has the Archbishop placed against Fr. Paul? A Letter was sent to Fr. Paul for his removal and the reasons as to. Fr. Paul has denied it and this is where we are at today.
Yes, I believe the "pain and suffering" is yours, isn't it? Thanks for the opportunity.
Show me where I labeled church groups "modernists". And you'd be very surprised if you knew who my supposed "gullible followers" in fact are.
DeleteAnd is that why Fr. Paul continues to post these comments on Facebook? Fr. Paul is encouraged that many of his brothers in faith, Catholic or not, support his stance. And who do you say is this "Church" that we should "trust" to "complete the investigation"? Why should we trust them when they have no desire to be paternal, to comply with the rules of Canon Law, to be fair, to be just, and to reconcile?
DeleteIt's ok to be a "gullible follower" because you can easily switch sides once you realize you've been duped. Unlike brainwashed or coerced folks who almost never get out of the hole their in, which is what Kiko and Carmen has done. Poor souls.
DeleteI do not appreciate you calling me "gullible " PAL!
DeletePut your money where your mouth is. otherwise just shutup.
May 5 1:42pm When one has no relevant defense nor a leg to stand on, one has no alternative but to resort to name-calling and slapping labels on everyone or anyone who refuses to join their wayward “bandwagon.”
DeleteWe, who you reference as "gullible followers of Tim" as a matter of fact are, (whether you choose to believe it or not) merely passionate Faithful followers of authentic Catholic Teachings. We simply and purely are committed followers of the Fullness of The Truth which we believe is found only in our One Holy Catholic (Universal) and Apostolic Church.
Could it be that our stance and reasons intimidate you? Well, we’re not sorry for taking this combative position because it is what we’re called to do as The Church Militant. We stand firm in our choice to defend our Authentic Catholic Church which Christ instituted. We obviously, and most definitely frown upon and balk at the idea of choosing to follow kiko’s or carmen’s altered Catholic-wanna-be opinions and irreverent practices as opposed to Jesus’ Way in authentic Catholicism.
Actually your simpleton conclusion that anyone posting their views on this blog who do not oppose Tim’s position about our authentic Catholic Church are “gullible followers of Tim” is hilarious. That’s plain faulty reasoning. We don’t see any point or reason to “follow Tim” just to follow him. No offense Tim, but if we were religiously following you, we would be no different from those who are conned into following kiko’s and carmen’s concocted version of Catholic teachings; and that is precisely what we oppose and stand against! Thank God, Tim happens to share our reverence and regard for our authentic Church. We will always (vehemently) defend and protect authentic Catholicism which on Guam, is at grave risk of being railroaded by kiko’s ways. This is why we chime in on this blog – now YOU, why are YOU here?
DeleteWe don’t need another “community" or "way” either. We have the Roman Catholic Church community, the Diocesan community, our Parish community and family. We also already have and whole-heartedly believe in Jesus’ Way! His is The Way, The Truth and The Life. Whoever would rather follow a charlatan’s “way”-- an altered version of the One True Catholic Church’s Teachings and irreverently-refashioned Liturgical practices, is really “The gullible” one!
We have read every posting of Tim Rohr and he has our greatest respect confidence and trust for always speaking with truth, compassion and a great sense of justice. One day the church on Guam will thank Tim Rohr for his time, effort, finances, in restoring truth and justic to the archdiocese. God bless you Tim and continue to empower the church on Guam by revealing truth.
ReplyDeleteI concur.
DeleteDoes Monsignor James have a favorite list. I do not think so from observing him. Monsignor James is a very good guy perhaps one of the few remaining on Guam today.
ReplyDeleteFor whatever it's worth, Diana on one of her blog states that maybe day Kiko will be proclaimed a saint. Saints are simple people living simple and holy lives. An example is Mother Teresa of Calcutta. She was a simple woman who lived the life of property among the poor tending to their needs. Never did she flaunt her way of life and her belief infront of the Pope.
ReplyDeleteKiko, on the other hand has manipulated many lives. Everything the NCW does must be done according to the laws of Kiko. Does making Kiko and his entrepreneurs rich make him humble? Does proclaiming publicly about how his movement has increased make him humble?
To be humble is not selling yourself to the public. To be humble is living a simple life. To be humble is not making a living from the the ignorance of people.
Kiko is none of the above! He needs to be in the limelight which for me portrays the characteristic of someone who needs to shine! There is no humility in his soul. He is thus garnering souls for his fame and his fame alone.
I guess after reading all these posts, watching Kiko and Carmen trying so desperately present themselves in whatever way they can to the Pope in order to shine makes me wonder why I should continue to Walk in the Way. I must follow my heart and live accordingly to the way I see fit....this will be living according to the laws of God and the Church, not to the laws or statutes by Kiko.
A free soul!
to AnonymousMay 5, 2014 at 11:20 PM
ReplyDeleteHow do you KNOW Kiko lives lavishly? Do you have proof he has a mansion or just pure HATE and PREJUDICE!
Show us your internet evidence. If nothing, shut your PIE HOLE!
OLD MAN from Santa Rita - GEORGE. Hoooraaah!
George of the jungle? Where does he get his mullah to travel here there and everywhere....from your pocket.
DeleteFunny how George asks for "evidence" when all he does is rant and rage against anyone who disagrees or has an opinion. I don't think Georgie has ever presented evidence here. His contributions are more along the lines of the "shut your pie hole" comments.
DeleteLovely speech from this "enlightened" fellow.
Believe me, his name is not George. Everyone in Santa Rita knows exactly who he is.
DeleteHis name is not George. George is only his stage name he said.
DeleteI am beginning to wonder now if Kiko is proclaiming himself as the Christ of the modern world. " I am the way, the truth and the lightr. He who goes through me goes to the Father "
ReplyDeleteI am the way...the NCW
I am the truth....statutes
I am the light...the candle used in the first scrutiny.
He who goes throught me goes to to the Father...following my statues and you will be save. Do not question, be silent and obey. Only buy things associated with the NCW especially those that have my insignia...all other objects such as the paintings, the cross, the red rug, the chalice, the menorah and etc. are not in compliance with the NCW of believing.
Kiko praises Pope Francis for following the path of St. Francis, yet he is doing the opposite as stated in a previous post. Most of the saints came from wealthy families and gave this up to live among the poor or to live poor lives. yes, Kiko lived among the poor and then pulled himself out of the gutter. He used this as a tool to bring his name to glory. In glory he must shine. He need to remember the words, "he who humbles himself shall be exalted and he who exalts himself shall be humbled."
There must be something wrong, for Kiko to always try to explain himself to the Pope and his Curia regarding the NCW. I see his character as being pushy, arrogant, and always in the right. For those walking the Way, KIKO'S words will never be wrong.
No matter what is said, those walking the way will always defend the Kiko theology of the Christian Faith. After seeing the Feb 2 video of the papal audience sending forth missionary families I noticed that Kiko got a standing ovation which was louder than when Pope Francis walked on to the stage. This says something to me....Kiko is the voice of the vatican and not Pope Francis himself.
From8:48 am. I meant to say that anything outside the paintings of Kiko, the NCW cross, the menorah, the red rug, etc are not in accordance to the NCW belief.
DeleteWe’ve also seen samples of the style of reasoning and mentality used by the neo hierarchy on Guam using “silence” as their tool, basis and strength. It’s no wonder they’re extremely satisfied with and have unquestionably convinced themselves that the "SILENCE of the Pope" MEANS that the Pope “sanctions” their altered, refashioned and neo re-interpretation of Mass, in spite of the fact and the truth of the matter that these neo alterations are CONTRARY to our Catholic Church’s Liturgical Rubrics’ prescriptions and contrary to LITURGICAL NORMS which ALREADY EXIST and HAVE ALREADY BEEN ACCEPTED to be The Authentic and Proper Norms for Roman Faithful Catholics to follow and practice -- by generations of Popes and followed by our present Magisterium, Pope Francis I.
DeleteThese same samplings of neo hierarchy’s reasoning and mentality also explains the neo hierarchy’s delusions that: MERE PHOTO-OPS with the Pope and Cardinals are also enough for neo hierarchy to construe and convince their Guam following that kiko-inspired concepts, kiko-inventions and therefore, kiko-altered liturgical practices for distributing and receiving THE REAL PRESENCE of OUR LORD and OUR GOD in Holy Communion are accepted in Rome by The Magisterium.
Their "proof of Rome's acceptance", they claim, is precisely BECAUSE OF the Pope’s SILENCE and BECAUSE OF the numerous publicly-distributed and captured occasions when they posed and exclaimed: “Cheese!” with the Pope and Cardinals by their sides; now, these are photos taken within the enclaves of The Vatican, mind you.
Of course, just to reiterate, the pope expects the bishop to guard the liturgy. Thus the problem.
DeleteThe Pope actually does not seem to care. So why do you make so much pain for yourself, Tim? Just go and get a life already. Smell the roses. Lol!
DeleteActually, the pope seems to care quite a lot how you are treating people, admonishing you publicly to respect people and their cultures and to stop hunting down people who want to leave. And you seem to care quite a lot about what I think and say. Thank you. LOL!
DeleteAnd watching from Barrigada, I see.
DeleteTo Georgie Porgie puddin and PIE, take a good look around outside the scope of you so called intelligence. The NCW is KIKO'S baby and he must protect and nourish it. Do you think he paints these churches for free? Doubt it! Church structure involving the NCW must have NCW architect, engineer, draft persons, etc. All these people are probably part of the inner circle. They get paid, and I am wondering if he gets a PIECE OF THE PIE. Probably....I scratch your back you scratch mine!!!
ReplyDeleteYou don't know anything about the man except what you read. You don't know where the money goes that is collected worldwide. You don't know anything exempt what is presented to you.....why?......because you are not allowed to question the happening within the NCW!