Thursday, July 31, 2014

TIME TO REVIEW SOME FAMOUS SPEECHES BY ARCHBISHOP APURON

Since we have so many more viewers now, it might be helpful to them to know more about the root of our problem:

Here is Archbishop Apuron famously disassociating himself with the Catholic Church by discrediting the Prefect for the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments who had delivered an instruction in the name of Pope Benedict. For those who wonder how we can criticize "our" Archbishop, at this point, he CEASED to be a Catholic Archbishop because he ceased to be in union with Rome in addition to referring to the Neocatechumenal Way as "we" and "us". Thus he is no longer "ours!"



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ABA: Actually experimentation was granted in the year 2005...for five years, so it doesn’t expire until 2007, and with this recent letter* - it was supposed to be confidential,  but like the NSA, was leaked to the press...and really they have their own interpretation. We were granted two more years. And in fact, really looking at the letter, mostly, beside the interpretation of the two columnists...it is the first time in the history of the church that we were give permissions for the variations that is being done in the Neo Catechumenal Way, officially by the pope. The late Pope John Paul gave it for five years ad experimentum so this gives us even two more years so really to 2009 if you count 5 years from 2002 for the first experimentation, 5 years is 2007 plus this giving us 2 more years, especially in terms of the eucharist itself and the manner of receiving the eucharist. 

And as you know, it was made public that I argued first of all for the kiss of peace to be moved, or at least the possibility of having to move the kiss of peace at before the offertory after the homily, before moving into the liturgy of the eucharist as is done in the eastern church. And that’s what separates us from the eastern church but it had been the much earlier practice of the church in the primitive church, the receiving communion seated.

My argument, and in front of the pope and the bishops there, cardinals, in fact Arinze’s there, and Arinze, to tell you the truth, is really not for the Way, and I don’t know what credentials he has, I mean I don’t want to get into an argument in terms of an individual but Cardinal Arinze, with due respect, uh, I, you know uh, I don’t know why he uh uh wants us to conform to what...and you know the...I heard earlier the discussions about kneeling and standing and showing respect....

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And here is Archbishop Apuron famously inferring that Fr. Paul and a parishioner are involved in drunken midnight homosexual orgiastic trysts. Sorry, folks but this man is just plain evil. And I have no problem saying so. 


TRANSCRIPT: “…and really for disobeying the orders I had given him two years earlier.  I had waited two years to see what would happen because so many complaints were coming in about why is he still working there with him, why is he so intimate…because he had built a stairway up to his room, his room is on the second floor, and he would come in the middle of the night, you know, with cases of beer and what not and stays there to the early morning…” - Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron, Metropolitan Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Agana, October, 2013, Tagaytay, Philippines

21 comments:

  1. What is the link between Tamuning parish and the ousted priests? Father Paul was sent there, and now Monsignor James. Where does Monsignor Bibi fit in all this? For many years, it was known that the Neocats held their services there. But yet we're hearing conflicting information about where Tamuning parish stands and where Monsignor Bibi stands. Does anyone know Tamuning's role in all this?

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    1. It's the halfway house for dissidents. Fr. Pius has his spies in the Church and in the community.

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    2. Don't despair. With Msgr James and Fr Paul there, St. Anthony Catholic Church won't fall. A few Saturdays ago, they still had their mass at the parish hall. I was surprised to see it was in the hall behind the covered parking lot across the church. The previous ones I have seen was at the hall at the lower level of the parish hall. Again, they might be feeling the heat. It's been a while since they had that big banner invitation to joy. I really can't understand why they have to separate themselves. Imagine what their passion can bring into the church if only they attend our masses and be one with us. Why this is lost on the Neo members, I can't understand. I am starting to believe they have been brainwashed..

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  2. I don't think Tamuning Parish doesn't have any link on the issue but I heard Msgr.Benavente is the Parochial Administrator .

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  3. I have two points to make.

    First, the Neos (along with the Baptists, "Bible" churches, Pentecostals, and evangelicals, etc.) make me chuckle every time they claim that their liturgy is drawn from the "early church" or "ancient church" or "primitive church." All of these groups operate under the misapprehension that the liturgical practices of the early church are more or less unknown, leaving nothing to stand in the way to deceive the ignorant about the provenance of their respective liturgies. The problem with this strategy, of course, is that their belief that the early church is a sort of dark ages upon which they can freely impose whatever liturgical contrivance they wish is just not true. One need only read the apostolic fathers and other early patristic writings along with the Didache and early liturgies, such as, the Liturgy of St. James, to see that the Neos and the other protestant churches are simply wrong. At the end of the day, Kiko and company just play upon the ignorance of their followers. No one who is well versed in early patristic writings would buy their claims about the primitive church provenance of the Neo liturgy.

    Second, Tim, you forgot to include what I think is the Archbishop's most important quote. The following quote is important because it evidences such a profound misunderstanding of Church's teaching on the liturgy of the Eucharist:

    "What sort of a banquet does one go to which requires you to stand rather than sit?" Archbishop Apuron asked.


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  4. I have two points to make.

    First, the Neos (along with the Baptists, "Bible" churches, Pentecostals, and evangelicals, etc.) make me chuckle every time they claim that their liturgy is drawn from the "early church" or "ancient church" or "primitive church." All of these groups operate under the misapprehension that the liturgical practices of the early church are more or less unknown, leaving nothing to stand in the way to deceive the ignorant about the provenance of their respective liturgies. The problem with this strategy, of course, is that their belief that the early church is a sort of dark ages upon which they can freely impose whatever liturgical contrivance they wish is just not true. One need only read the apostolic fathers and other early patristic writings along with the Didache and early liturgies, such as, the Liturgy of St. James, to see that the Neos and the other protestant churches are simply wrong. At the end of the day, Kiko and company just play upon the ignorance of their followers. No one who is well versed in early patristic writings would buy their claims about the primitive church provenance of the Neo liturgy.

    Second, Tim, you forgot to include what I think is the Archbishop's most important quote. The following quote is important because it evidences such a profound misunderstanding of Church's teaching on the liturgy of the Eucharist:

    "What sort of a banquet does one go to which requires you to stand rather than sit?" Archbishop Apuron asked.

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    1. Yes, thankyou Anon at 12.01AM. You are spot on. We should all be familiar with the Liturgy of St James (see William Cochem's famous book) so we have some defense against the deliberately ignorant claims of the NCW.

      I also agree with your point about the Archbishop's comment. This demonstrates his departure from the intention of the Catholic Church when it offers the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. They don't kneel either of course, except, ironically, when "standing up" for vocations in front of Kiko, or when being "sent" by the Pope.

      There is another, perhaps trivial, point that I find interesting - The NCW likes to use the parable of the blind man (washing at the pool of Siloam) in the early part of their catechesis (and beyond) so as to say that Jesus throws mud in your eye so that you will be inclined to immerse yourself in the baptismal waters etc. I find it interesting that the word "Siloam" means "sent". There is another phrase relating to being "sent" - "Missa est", this being the origin of the term "Mass" - a term thoroughly substituted and disdained by the NCW.

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    2. Sunday 9:30 at Cathedral announcing Msgr. James is kicked out the back door was called by the presiding Presbyster Tony this Eucharist. Tony said it; so that's it. The Eucharist! Yes we are giving thanks. Oh, and yes, his singing voice got up and went when it heard the Mass is Eucharist. No more voice. SAD FACE

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  5. Might be a statement. Saint Anthony is the Patron Saint of Lost Souls. Bet the Archbishop, Msgr David the younger, and Father Adrian gave each other high fives for that little bit of cleverness.

    Saint Anthony's also known for being a strong preacher with an expert knowledge of scripture. So, you know... joke's on them.

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    1. Did Archbishop OFM Cap attend his brothers' profession?????

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  6. Might be a statement. Saint Anthony is the Patron Saint of Lost Souls. I bet the Archbishop, Msgr. David the younger, and Father Adrian gave each other a high five for that little bit of cleverness.

    However, Saint Anthony is also known for having been a strong preacher with expert knowledge of scripture.

    So, you know... joke's on them. #lol

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  7. Something we may be overlooking as it regards Archbishop's difficult to understand behaviors. He should make allowances for reducing stress levels after a Bypass operation for quite a long period, as stress on the brain may make confusion or any slight mental changes more difficult and apparent. Consider making adjustments to lifestyle both at work and at home which make life simpler and easier.
    Easier for all of us, Archbishop. Please retire and spare your life and the life of the Church to which you gave your life.

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  8. Good that Monsignor is now in Tamuning, Now there will be more people attending mass in Tamuning and will no longer be at the cathedral. Its a lost to the main church of Guam, but aside from that have you listened to the homily of the current priest at the cathedral? OMG, You would just want and pray that the holy spirit will give him the gift of tongue to be able to interpret the bible correctly and not make personal assumptions based on his own interpretations... He needs to read and learn and diversify his sermon.

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    1. As for the presbyter at the Cathedral, @10:01, you are asking and expecting too much. It will never happen. The goods are just not there. Sorry

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    2. How can he rely on his experience, he was locked up at RMS with a molester then became a priest. We waste our time listening to his homily. I get my fulfillment in listening to homilies of priest who were properly trained. Compare him to Fr Richard Kidd, no comparison. And this is what the arch wants, to replace the non neo priest with neo priest.

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    3. Yea their homilies flow - right out my ass

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  9. No hope for the cathedral. David simply not got the requirements as a priest to lead.

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    1. He can never oversee the books, he has only one button. All the others are broken. The remaining botton working on the bearded scarecrow is the reverse button. Poor Monsignor, going as fast as he can the wrong way. The Neo Rector, with Vice Rector Michael. All his buttons are there and in good condiitions. He doesn't press them because he is AFRAID of what might happen. He didn't learn what each button in for. in the RMS Button button who has the Button?

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    2. What the hell are you talking about.

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  10. You mean, you don't like references to the children's cartoons like "The Prince of Egypt" or the constant, and very long ummm...s and uuuhhh...; that parishioners even have to record the homily on their electronic devices to take home and attempt to decrypt! Fr. Michael Jucutan, get a refresher course on how to create and deliver your homilies, please, for the love of the Church! For the 5 people that are staying after the Mass Exodus!

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  11. Father Michael to take a refresher course . He needs all the courses over again.

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