Glad to see you are just like them... You would stoop to their level wouldn't you Tim?
Poor David. Poor, poor David.
What level is that David? Because perhaps maybe you and I ate at the level too.
Ahhh David - stop drinking the Kiko Kool Aide. They are trying so hard to spin this about money for tim and not the truth. Pathetic. Yes well I want to be a millionaire living in Maite so maybe I will blog about how great Pepsi is and I will strike it rich? Give me a break
For goodness' sake, Tim, please stop bemusing yourself! This really is pretty funny. It is also quite clearly defamatory. The viciousness and deceit of the Neos would be so much scarier if they were not so incompetent.
A businessman can still be Catholic, can't he? What's the point of this post? JungleWatch is a catalyst for all this information to be disseminated. Tim is the owner of the blog. I find it mind blowing that it's the NeoCatecumenal followers who continue to liken Tim Rohr and Chuck White to be some sort of deity for those of us who visit this page for informational purposes. But I suppose it's par for the course as they do exactly that with a lay person.In the grand scheme of things (and certainly within the Church hierarchy), Kiko is merely the leader of a movement, much like the Knights of Columbus. He's an artist with mad Italian Folk Music skills. He's charismatic enough to whip his support group into such a frenzy that they'll defend him and his teachings to the end.That's all he is. A man, not of the cloth, whose Pied Piper act has attracted a variety of people, some of whom are of the cloth. There's no doubt Kiko's teachings have helped people in their personal affairs. However, when our Archbishop blurs the lines between needing the NCW for his personal spirituality and needing to lead his flock within the teachings of the Catholic Church, that's where the problems begin. That's the cornerstone of the instability on Guam. The Archbishop is supposed to be the foundation upon which Guam's Catholic Church is built -- with his actions of late, no wonder this house is sinking unto itself.
so we readers of this blog are ignorant, gullible, fundamentalist, blinded zealots ... did i miss one? :)i suppose ernie's trying to provoke an ad hominem and tu quoque reply. nice try, but i ain't biting.but now that ernie's been able to vent, how about he answer the questions about the ncw's liturgy and theology we've been asking?
Fundamentalist, the new big word from the NCW. I've read this lately, seems as though someone is planting this word among those who don't truly know what it means. We might think of the fundamentalist Christians who created the KKK in the 19th and 20th century American south or the fundamentalist Muslims who are killing minorities in Iraq today. Tim Rohr is the furthest thing from a fundamentalist. Tim Rohr has made it extremely clear that he is only interested in the Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church. It seems clear to me that someone is trying to label Mr. Rohr as a fundamentalist in order to make him seem like a fanatic, a crazy man screaming at the rain. Whoever this is, is only trying to smear the name of a simple Catholic who is reporting the FACTS. Fundamentalist. The KKK truly felt that their ethnic and religious bigotry was proper. ISIS in Iraq and Syria truly believes that God favors their actions. Members of the Neocatechumenal Way truly swallow the notion that Kiko Arguello knows better then our Holy Mother Church. Is Tim Rohr a fundamentalist? No. Tim Rohr is a simple layman who has the guts to stand up to a shepherd who has forsaken his sheep for goats from this “Christian Itinerary.” My prayer is that Guam might receive an Ordinary who sees all Catholics as precious. My prayer is that Guam might have a shepherd who understands the Magisterium, in order to teach the faithful. My prayer is that Guam might have peace—no more division, no more favoritism, and no more fundamentalism.My prayer is that Guam might, once again, have One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, led by an Ordinary in full communion with, and in full obedience to Rome, and only Rome.I am a Roman Catholic, walking in the Church, founded by Christ, trying to get through the darkness this has befallen our archdiocese. Blessed Diego, founder of this local Church, pray for us. Pray that we might again one day be the Church you gave my ancestors.
Well said Owen!!! I as well as many others share the same prayer.It just amazes me that when they cannot answer the basic questions that Tim has presented to them, they just attack, attack, attack with such asinine arguments and logic. WOW Tim, you spent all these years publicly fighting abortion so that you could get into the graces of certain priests so that you could open your bookshop (because the Catholic bookshop business in Guam is a multi-million dollar industry -- Bwahahahahaha!!!!) And all this time I thought you were fighting for the dignity of human life!!!
My hat's off to you Owen Bollinger! BRAVO!!
Everything you say is right, mr. Ernie. I am a member of the "anti-Way business in Italy" (http://neocatecumenali.blogspot.it/) and I gained a billion dollars by writing on the exegetical nonsenses of Kiko. Do you want to know my best business? It concerns Kiko's catechesis of the man blind from birth. I explained that in John 9 the greek word for mud is πηλός - the clay, the creation's material - and πηλός does not mean sin, as in the NC catechesis you teach. I explained that the textual analysis of Jn 9 informs that Christ excludes sin; the problem is Kiko, who sees sin everywhere and forgets the saliva. This of mine is an interesting business, mr. Ernie. The textual analysis is more profitable of tithe and of donations: I suggest you try.
Oh Ernie, you're really dumb, shows you're uneducated. Poor you cannot find anymore reasons other than attacking Tim. You're a lost soul. Pathetic.
Yup, Ernie is kinda dumb.
I am saddened to hear Mary Kidd has left the Agana Cathedral. (She is Fr. Richard Kidds mother) She is stripped of her duties and left out in the cold. I would have left too. I also know that the cemeteries employees were let go. What for? They dig graves, clean the cemetery, and make grave markers. Shame on Atty. Jackie Terlaje (New Administrator) for doing this. She was just following orders I am sure.
Anonymous (August 25, 2014 at 7:25 AM), this is very sad news about Mrs. Mary Kidd. In "her" 16 August post "Exodus from the Cathedral," blogger "Diana" claims a virtual en masse resignation, with no mention of the release of cemeteries employees:"In an apparent effort to paralyze Monsignor David Quitugua in his new assignment as Rector of the Cathedral and Director of the Cemeteries, there has been a quasi-total resignation of the staff at both of these two places. It was calculated that over 90% of the staff left. Thus, the question arises in my mind......were they serving the people who attend the Cathedral-Basilica or a priest, in this case, a Monsignor???"(http://neocatechemunal.blogspot.com/2014/08/exodus-from-cathedral.html)
Many of the employees found out that their benefits were cut and or they were let go. (Insurance- medical)
Mrs. Mary Kidd will be a valuable asset to any business or organization that hires her. God bless you Mary.
Wow Diane and Zoltan and their minions call is your followers Tim. They call us evil and that we are not true Catholics. They call for us to be ex-communicated. Never had so many labels placed on me before in my life, so maybe they can add this one "catholic warrior."
And who are the ones trying to change the Catholic Way to "The Way"?
Now I know there's gotta be some moonshine in the kiko-aid these NCW people drink. They're like the tropical version of hillbillies. Ignorant fools. I'm going to buy them some banjos to play to add to the gazillion guitars kiko commands them to use during their backwoods "masses". Might I recommend they add the tune of "dueling banjos" to their liturgical music? It's perfect for them! Idiots.
It's simply incredible how these guys can compose volume of notions yet cannot answer or substantiate one simple question asked of them....
When a person is asked a question the answer to which he/she does not know, it is best in that person's mind not to give answer at all - either because he/she does not know the answer, or because he/she knows the answer but is ashamed, fearful or instructed not to answer. In the case at point, I think the third option is more compelling. Just my hunch!
Will Diana the regular young woman be part of the new Administration? She is so focused and dedicated! To the wrong things, unfortunately! Monsignor David? What'd 'ya say??
Nay, Diana needs to stay where she is....she has the inside scoop at the Chancery!
Yeah, Tim is making millions off of this. Millions. But what he really has to do is convince his followers to form 40,000 communities around the world, then compel them to buy his products, and only his products. That's the path to real mega-bucks!
BINGO! you hit it right on the Money! Every 'Community' must buy uncle Kiko's paintings and songs. Talk about an expert Used car salesman, uncle Kiko You Da Man!
And the Santa Rita church has already fallen victim with the statue of Our Lady of Guadalupe being removed and replaced by kiko art. Also validates why Fabio was so adamant on hiring an off-island architect to design the new SR rectory/CCD building.
Every member of the NCW needs to use Kiko's special white ceremonial gown when they reach the stage of renewing their own baptismal vows plus the Kiko candle. This does not include Easter Vigil services. This is the individual renewal. Anyone want to borrow my graduation gown? It's white!Everything they use for their celebration must be an authenticated Kiko products.
Tim drives kinda crappy car. Where are da millions.
@1;41 PM..what about you....yo mama drives you to school! What cant pass the driver's test.....tell Zoltan to teach you instead of preaching to you. I sure would like to get my money's worth at the UOG!
A local architect tells me that while Kiko's architects (Mattia Del Prete, Maurizio Bergamo, Anna Gennarini, Francisco Gennarini, etc.) do the design, the drawings have to be redone on Guam to change from metric to feet and to use locally available materials and to have it stamped by somebody with a Guam license. My architect friend does not know how much Kiko's team gets paid, if anything. But it seems that it's mandatory that Kiko's team be involved...
I knew it !!
This is starting to sound like a mafia scheme.....scary thought!! It would definitelyexplain the actions of the arch, wouldn't it? I shudder just thinking about it.
At 1:41. Yep. Currently drive a used 2009 Versa. For five years previous I drove a 1994 Sentra. But someday I will tell you all the real story of what that store cost me and my family and why.
As I read this drivel I couldn't help wondering if poor Ernie's delusional thoughts — Tim's "Cathedral shop empire" and his "business association with Italian anti-Neocatechumenal businesses" are just a couple — sprung from having spent time drinking KAKA and chatting with "Diana." Or maybe Ernie was inspired by reading "Diana's" ongoing attacks on Tim and decided to synthesize them into a "cohesive" narrative. At any rate, Ernie's "gossip, hearsay and superstition"— Zoltan's favorite phrase — may be humorous to those of us in the Jungle but this comment will probably be treated as "Gospel truth" by the Kikos/Kikobots as well as the more gullible readers of "Diana's" blog, poor things. One can only hope that there are still some critical thinkers among the "Neos" — NCW members of the non-militant variety — who will be able to recognize this comment as a product of fantasy. A final thought: Ernie may be a wannabe Dan Brown and we just got to read the first draft of his "masterpiece!" LOL!!!
Ernie (who is such a coward he won't own his words) apparently likes to display his ignorance and stupidity. 'Nuff said.Eileen Benavente-Blas
Stand tall, Tim. The Neos are so desperate to the point where they are now grasping at straws. The Neos are the ones with credibilty issues and are the cause of the division we're seeing now. The rest of us were just minding our own busness until the Neos started pushing. When push came to shove they awakened the "sleeping giant" and stirred up a hornet's nest, much to their dismay.
Diana cites the Catechism of the Catholic Church on her topic of Conscience & Virtue:CCC 1269 Having become a member of the Church, the person baptized belongs no longer to himself, but to him who died and rose for us. From now on, he is called to be subject to others, to serve them in the communion of the Church, and to "obey and submit" to the Church's leaders, holding them in respect and affection.My question to her on this is if archbishop apuron is telling us to follow kiko, but we want to follow Jesus Christ instead...are we still to obey and submit?
Yes, and the archbishop gave us a wonderful example of how to "obey and submit" to Church leaders when he publicly dissed Pope Benedict in favor of Kiko. In fact, we are still waiting for the archbishop, Diana, and "her" neo's to "obey and submit" to their statute.
Extreme desperation...thy name is Err..ne(o)...can smell you, can see you. Obey Diana/Pius..stay away from jungle.. the heat enrages Err-ne(o) madness.
Classic! If you don't like the message [truth], shoot the messenger [Tim]. I didn't see one thing Ernie "refuted" as being untrue that has ever been posted here, just more of the same ad hominem attacks. On a side note: I am personally glad to hear that in Italy it (Anti-Way) is a multi-million dollar business because maybe they can stop this cult!
Sorry. Can't post that one about about XXXXX. Find another way of saying it without the "making babies". Thanks.
DianaAugust 25, 2014 at 3:59 PMDear Anonymous at 3:38 pm, Where in my post or comments did I say that you MUST join the Way. The laity does not have to join if they do not want to. The priest, on the other hand, are a different story because they took an oath of obedience to the Archbishop. So, when the Archbishop asks a priest to open up his parish for the NCW, then out of obedience to their Archbishop, they should obey. By opening up the Way in their parish, it allows those in the laity to participate if they want. =================================================================== So, if everything goes as planned by the Way, out of blind obedience all the priests will be Neo , and we who choose not to join will be marginalized and left out. Yes, their plan is out there for all to see. With the Archbishop on their side, the Neos are pressing on to make the Catholic Church on Guam theirs. Should this happen, it will be another crowning achievement for Kiko in his quest to divide and conquer. When the Neos speak of unity, their idea of unity is for ALL of us to walk in their WAY. all to see. Hmm..
The archbishop attempted to force the three priest to participate in an illicit Mass.
And many more to come if the arch doesn't stop!Dear Lord, PLEASE come to his aid and remove the blinders so he can see Kiko for what he really is...IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY!
If Tim is "just" a business man so is the Archie. When he goes to the parishes to "celebrate" Mass for fiestas or Confirmation he is given a check of at least 300.00 dollars that comes out of the parish accounts. The Shepherd is even worse than the wolves that try to destroy the flock. Sorry Tim, AAA makes more than you, you bust your @$$ 8 hrs a day for your days wage while Archie just present himself for 1 hour. Wow.
Come clean Tim, where are your profits going to that you make here in this small island. The AAA has made his big profit out of the poor people of agat. The crypts were build around 20,000.00 but are sold at 6,000.00z, to be buried in the ground 5,000.00, for the urn section 4,000. (Which has room for 2 more urns) you'll have to buy another cause they wont open it up. talk about money making.
LIAR! We have buried our loved ones together in the same crypt! It takes an X number of years for one to be buried together. it takes EPA, DPHSS, and other agencies to come down for the opening of the crypt, as required by law! Do your research before mouthing off! If you can't afford it, there is always the public cemetery! Some of us have set money aside to buy our condos at the cemetery! it took years, but we were able to do so. We didn't want to burden our family with too many expenses. So don't complain....it's called planning ahead and getting things in order.
9:33PM...I think you are Jessica....dear girlfriend, you just got your job...You looked at the x amount of $$$$, looked into the empty crypts and made an assumption?As Diana would say, "What sort of person?" would your "sisters" at the Carmel say you are? If only they can see you now as you really are. "True Colors" are beginning to show.