Sunday, August 24, 2014

FOR YOUR REVIEW


  1. «...scandal and disturbance concerning the interpretation of the doctrine and the veneration due to this great sacrament...»


    Neocatechumenal snack time:

    [photo 1] - NCW: happy drinking dude

    [photo 2] - "First Holy Communion" in the NCW

    [photo 3] - another "First Holy Communion" in the NCW

    [photo 4] - Redemptoris Mater Seminary: sitting for the Lord

    [photo 5] - no space for kneeling, no space for standing up...

    [photo 6] - Carmen Hernandez, the NCW co-founder, giving us an example: sitting, staring at the Holy Eucharist in her hands, waiting for the Eat Signal.
NOTE: Since the Statue of 2008, the neocatechumens no longer remain seated throughout communion - or at least they are not supposed to - they are supposed to stand to receive. However, in the manner of receiving the bread, the neocatechumens have split the act of receiving into receiving and consuming. The neocatechumens stand to receive, then sit back down, host in hand. They then wait till the consecrated bread has been distributed to all by the priest who has not yet received his own communion. The priest then returns to his chair, sits down, says "May the Body of Christ...", consumes the host, and the others then consume. 

The Church makes no allowance for this splitting of the act of receiving Holy Communion, and to ensure it, notes in the General Instruction to the Roman Missal, par. 161, that the communicant is to consume the host "as soon as" it is received. 

Obviously this is an illicit practice and the Archbishop's forcing of priests to celebrate Mass in this way or to even allow it in their parishes is a grave abuse of his authority. The neocatechumens, and probably the Archbishop as well defend this practice saying that Rome knows about it and there is no explicit instruction not to do it this way. But the liturgical books only say what TO DO, not what NOT TO DO. 

In the manner of the distribution of the consecrated bread before the priest's own communion, the neocatechumens are not the first to engage in this abuse. As mentioned several times before, the way for the abuses of the NCW was paved by "regular Catholics and priests" who authorize themselves to improvise the Mass where they see fit. Rome has addressed this abuse several times:

"Whether it is licit for the celebrating priest to take Communion only after the Holy Eucharist has been administered to the faithful or distribute Holy Eucharist and communicate at the same time as the faithful? Response: Negative to both" - Responsa ad Dubia Proposta, Congregations for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, Notitiae 45 (2009) pages 242-243.

The priest receives first, not because of a human protocol but in virtue of the dignity and nature of his ministry. He acts in the person of Christ, for the purpose of the integrity of the sacrament and for presiding the people gathered together: "Thus when priests join in the act of Christ the Priest, they offer themselves entirely to God, and when they are nourished with the body of Christ they profoundly share in the love of him who gives himself as food to the faithful." ( Presbyterorum Ordinis, No. 13).

Redemptionis Sacramentum, No. 97: "A Priest must communicate at the altar at the moment laid down by the Missal each time he celebrates Holy Mass, and the concelebrants must communicate before they proceed with the distribution of Holy Communion. The Priest celebrant or a concelebrant is never to wait until the people's Communion is concluded before receiving Communion himself."

While the pictures linked above may be dated, and may be pre-2008, they nevertheless show what Kiko believes, and continues to advocate, which is why he authorized the splitting of the act of receiving into receiving and consuming. And as noted in our previous post, the different manner of consuming underlines the different theology from which it rises. Different theology. Different practice. Different church. 

33 comments:

  1. Those pics are so old, taken before the statutes were approved by Rome.

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    1. Obviously you did not read my note. It doesn't matter. The neo's still receive communion in an illicit manner.

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  2. How do u know its illicit. They do the same celebration in Italy, & that's were the pope is.

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    1. Another typical neo response. They just don't get understand what you're trying to point out Tim, but I am totally in agreement with you....Different Theology, Different Practice, Different Church. They should quit calling themselves Catholic and form their own.....maybe call it the Church of Kiko?

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    2. 11:05,

      Lol, I was also thinking of some names for their new church. How about Int'l House of Kiko, Non Catholic Way (NCW), Non Conforming Worship, New Crazy Walk or No Care Worship.

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    3. @ 10:14 AM, why don't you ask Pachot Pius to tell you the real TRUTH! As for the many NEO friends I have, some have told me that although they do not believe all that is taught, they are in the NCW first, because the readings help them in their life and second, because of their family, they do not want any division between husband and wife/ children. What can one do when staying in the NCW is the only way to keep peace within the family household? The saying goes, if you can't beat them, join them.

      Sadly, some people are just stuck in the mud!

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    4. AnonymousAugust 24, 2014 at 12:44 PM - is that the most intelligent response you got? It was corrected, if you don't see it in flesh like Tim. Stop speculating. Diana had explain this a thousand times and you continue to twist it.

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    5. Believe this to be true 1.27pm. Sect is not only causing disunity in the church it is also dividing the family. Mother against daughter and son against father, wife against husband.

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    6. 1:33PM. Yes, IT was corrected. And you chose not to obey. In fact, you chose to do something much worse. You made a new lie, telling the people that this was the way approved by Rome when it wasn't. The people in the pics are not culpable because that was the way it was done before the statute. But you ARE culpable. Because now you have the statute and you don't just ignore it, you blaspheme it. And for Egivaldo/Diana, this violation is extremely grave on his part, not to mention the archbishop's.

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    7. Anonimous: you are greatly out of the path, if you cannot read honestly what Vatican Council and Divine Cult said, even in truly recent times. Ask yourself why you need to lie to yourself this way. God would never ask you to lie, Kiko does. Simple logic, get the right reply, please.

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    8. To Anonymous August 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM - In response to your comment... "Diana had explain this a thousand times and you continue to twist it."
      After reading some of her explanations, interpretations, etc., I (and many others I'm sure) have come to the conclusion that Diana is not the brightest crayon in the crayon box nor is she the sharpest tool in the shed.

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  3. Anon @10:14 you were advised by Diana and Pius to refrain from posting. Do you know why? Another poster said it best "because you shoot yourselves in the foot " when you open your mouths to disclose the shallowness of the contents of your head. Must you continue to let us know what you do not know . You do not know that it is not only illicit but the highest form of irreverence and blatant disrespect to Our Lord Jesus Holy Body that you chose to trivialize. Trivialize means reducing the importance and significance so it appears ordinary. ORDINARY...do you at least get that.?! You are okay with insulting Jesus your way because as your Neo sister said so "What does it matter". The father of all lies (his name is satan...by the way) loves that you remove Holy Mass from the Holy Altar away from Liturgical Prayers that prepares us to receive Him, away from His House-the Church.
    I am afraid for you that you are going to be very SHOCKED to learn that the Pope in Rome or any Popes in the past ever received Holy Communion illicitly the Neo way.Do you know why? You and I do not and cannot change what was INSTITUTED by Christ.

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    1. Rosemary would you like to see some videos that Saint Pope John Paul II, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI celebrated the Neocathecumenal Way Eucharist and has no problem with the celebration. Your plagued with hate and you've inherit it from this blog. If you only know hearsay then you are blind.

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    2. How do you know that they didn't have any problem with it? Did they celebrate it the way YOU celebrate it? NOT. Let's see the video of the pope sitting down to consume the consecrated bread.

      But since you call it hearsay, then tell us yourself. You have it first hand, correct? Do you or do you not SIT to consume the consecrated bread? If so, where is the permission? Produce it and our argument is over.

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  4. -cont.
    No one is allowed to renovate the Sacred Body of Christ. This very alarming red flag should already tell you that something very disturbingly demonic want to destroy the Catholic Church that it pretends to belong to.

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    1. Catholic church is now under attack by the neo sect.

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  5. I don't mean to be disrespectful but I just can't help thinking. Looks like lunch time. Is that bread gluten free?

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  6. My sadness on this matter stems from the fact that the very sanctity of the substance that we receive during communion has been reduced to nothing more than a snack someplace else

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  7. illicit practice is often a slippery slope toward invalidity or even excommunication. it might be only a slight slope or it might be a steep one, but beware of it, regardless.

    local members of the ncw need to do some individual and collective soul-searching. are you faithful to your own ncw statute? to the norms of the roman rite? if not, why aren't you? what good reasons do you have for disregarding the norms and doing things your own way, even teaching your children to do so?

    on that last question: children have the right to be taught the authentic faith and to learn right worship. that is a serious obligation expected of parents. is what you're teaching your kids the authentic Catholic faith and true Catholic worship?

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  8. "What sort of a banquet does one go to which requires you to stand rather than sit?" So asked one Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron, OFM Cap., D.D. To this question, the Archbishop might add the following: And what sort of banquet doesn't include some dancing? And what sort of banquet requires an altar, or temple, or a priest, when a fiesta table and some chairs from the mayors office will suffice? And what sort of banquet serves what the Archbishop describes pejoratively as "wafer-thin...bread," which doesn't even taste good and is not very filling?

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  9. Why does the NCW work so hard to be disparate? Why be so contentious on correcting the correctable? Why be so determined to remain divergent to a liturgy that is open for all?

    The one definitive factor that binds any organization is their liturgy. When the liturgy is changed, it become something else. The NCW leaders should embrace their differences and officially separate themselves from the Church if they insist on remaining in variant. These exceptions are not minor or superficial. They manipulate the theology and the wisdom that the Church has made firm.

    In 2008, the Church had finally allowed certain variances clearly laid out in the approved NCW Statutes. Any other variance not permitted is illicit. There is no declared probationary period anymore. The "experimentation" grace period has concluded.

    I pray that those walking in the way that truly desire to worship according to the liturgy of the Catholic Church realize that their NCW leaders are flat out manipulating the truth of the non-congruence with the Church.

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  10. Looks like they are eating 'grilled cheese" ??? It also looks like a Protestant gathering.

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    1. 3:04 Perhaps bread and oil. Very European. Can be quite tasty . Roy's has it at the Hilton you can sit down there too and eat it. Neo is free though but has a limited serving,

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  11. Members of NCW. Do you realize Mass is a sacrifice?

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  12. I didn't know there was a new Protestant church on Guam. Kudos to them. Now leave the real Catholic Church alone.

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  13. one thing is for sure....a Neo group forming in the south still receive communion sitting down (at least for a particular Eucharist celebrated in the last month or so). Of course the 'split' itself was still performed. My point is obviously these illicit acts are still performed.

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    1. @ 5:58 PM: That's because they honestly believe they are not illicit. Not for any other reason but because they are told so. Even when evidence is presented to them, they still refuse to acknowledge this.

      That is why this is such a delicate situation within our families and with our friends. We must to continue to speak the Truth with charity, without resulting in our loved ones burrowing in further.

      Just listen to their testimonies, they have deeply invested themselves in trusting the NCW leaders that it's difficult to hear of error. You would too if you were in their shoes. I don't fault them for being on the defensive. But I do hold them accountable for remaining obstinate.

      What can we do?


      For us, we have to remain charitable to those members for they are Catholic and they do wish to remain Catholic. It's obvious they did not join with the intent to separate from the Church.

      For us, we must be licit in our own worship. Every parish is guilty of tolerating illicit liturgical activities. Some examples are those in line for communion only to cross your arms on your chest for a blessing; excessive greeting during the rite of peace, greeting people on the way to and from receiving communion. Feeling defensive yet? And that's just the short list.

      For us, it's not enough to point fingers at the other side. For us we have to be just as diligent in scrutinizing ourselves.

      On the whole, we absolutely need the Archbishop to be able to speak and clarify to this and to do so pastorally and objectively. So far, there is no confidence. That's why it matters.

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    2. right on, jose. probably every parish has some form of illicit practice of the sacraments. there's a spectrum of them from minor to severe, from individual to parish-wide.

      but, as you say, we have to address these charitably and pastorally. and note that "charitably" does not always have to mean "nicely." sometimes, we need tough love. i went to fd; i know what tough-yet-charitable admonition is like. :)

      also, without proof otherwise, we have to accept that the ncw Eucharist continues to be valid, even if illicit. that means we should all be very careful about criticizing the accidentals of the Body of Christ--the appearance, the taste, the size. that is, the hosts that are shown in the pictures may look like small biscotti, but if those have been validly consecrated, they are no longer, in substance, biscotti!

      not that the ncw should keep on doing what they're doing. but we must insist that they follow the norms because those norms are the expression of unity and communion with the entire Catholic Church; and they ensure proper reverence and protect against abuse.

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  14. Alter in the center? This Bishop thinks otherwise.

    http://cathnews.co.nz/2014/08/22/chch-bishop-modernist-church-designs-havent-helped-liturgy/

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  15. I can not help but observe that most NCW members have gone through significant emotional events in their life that has make them vulnerable in a sense. So they are a little weak so to say. Then they get pulled in during their darkness times and "walk the Way". Are these the people we want leading and changing our church? I for one would prefer a person with a strong and sound mind who knows the way without this type of community influence. People like those five priest that stood up for our Church, Monsignor James B., who was harassed and fired for standing up for our Church! As well as other priest who have done similar things to help our Church. We need a real leader on Guam. We demand true leadership for Guam and for God..

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  16. I agree that it appears that people who become neos are at a spiritually desperate and emotionally vulnerable point in their lives. The catechists take advantage of this. They feel saved. People who leave the neos are ones who can figure things out for themselves.
    It is disturbing how they ignore the proper distribution and consuming of the consecrated host or bread as in their case. What's more disturbing is that they feel justified in doing so.
    Eileen Benavente-Blas

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  17. at coffee hour after Mass this morning, i learned a saying from one of my friends:

    "you don't have to step far off from the beam in order to fall."

    i think that's very apropos to the point i made earlier.

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