Monday, May 11, 2015


Eleanor asks:
Where in the liturgical books or in the statutes approved in 2008 does it state that all can receive the consecrated bread, return to their place with consecrated bread in hand, and consume together with the priest receiving the consecrated bread last? I saw that moving of the sign of peace was approved in the 2008 statutes but didn't see in writing that the way of receiving and consuming after a time of waiting was approved. Does the NCW follow the Roman rite?
Thank you, Diana.
Eleanor Aguon
Diana answers:

Let's follow this twit of a reply and see why Diana proves that the Neocatechumenal Way - at least as it is practiced on Guam - is not Catholic.

The question of Rites.

"Roman Rite" refers to a single Rite: the Rite celebrated at Rome, meaning the Rite celebrated by the Pope himself. There are NOT "9 Roman rites in the Latin Church" as little Diana says. There is only ONE Roman Rite and six other Rites within the Latin church (called Latin because the adherents to these rites are immediately subject to Rome). The six other Rites are:
  • Mozarabic (Spain and Portugal), 
  • Ambrosian (Milan, Italy), 
  • Bragan (Braga, Portugal), 
  • Dominican, Carmelite, and Carthusian (religious orders).
In addition the Roman rite has 3 forms: Ordinary Form, Extraordinary Form, and Anglican Use.

So let's review: There are seven rites within the Latin Church, one of which, the dominant one, is the Roman Rite which has three forms. 

To learn more about these rites, see Colin Donavan's article on EWTN.

Which Rite do the Neo's follow?

Diana says "Yes, we follow the Roman rite." No they don't. They have manufactured their own "rite" with a variety of vagaries and variations a la Kiko' instructions. We will mention a few here.

1. Disregard for the church and the altar. 

In his Directory for Teams of Catechists, Kiko instructs:
"We Christians do not have altars…because the holy stone is Christ…That’s why we can celebrate the Eucharist on a suitable table and we can celebrate in a square, in the countryside or wherever it is suitable. We don’t have a particular place where exclusively we should celebrate our worship." (Vo1. 1, Pg 51—52)
However, the Church that the rest of us belong to instructs:
Can.  932 §1. The eucharistic celebration is to be carried out in a sacred place unless in a particular case necessity requires otherwise; in such a case the celebration must be done in a decent place. §2. The eucharistic sacrifice must be carried out on a dedicated or blessed altar; outside a sacred place a suitable table can be used, always with a cloth and a corporal.
The Church (the real one) always admits exceptions because of course it is better to celebrate Mass than not celebrate it, but as any one can see (unless you are a Kiko) the norm is the celebration of the Eucharist in a sacred space on a consecrated altar.

2. Disregard for the instruction to kneel at the consecration.

As you can see here, the neos stand at the consecration:

Whereas the Church (the one the rest of us belong to) instructs:
"In the dioceses of the United States of America, they should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, except when prevented on occasion by reasons of health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason." (GIRM, par. 43)
Note: Neo's do not stand because there is a "lack of space" or "some other good reason", which are admitted as exceptions. They stand as their own "norm", when the norm for the rest of the Church is to kneel at the consecration, whether there are kneelers or not. Also the reason it says "in the dioceses of the United States" does not mean that only U.S. Catholics kneel at the consecration. All Catholics are required to kneel at the consecration. U.S. Catholics are required to begin and end this period of kneeling after the Sanctus until after the Great Amen.

3. Disregard for the instruction about the decoration of the altar.

The first problem of course is that they do not consider it an altar, but nevertheless, since the Church (the one the rest of us belong to) considers it an altar, the Church instructs:
"Floral decorations should always be done with moderation and placed around the altar rather than on its mensa." (GIRM, par. 305 - "mensa" is Latin for "table", which of course is surface of the altar)
Every neo-liturgy has a table heavily decorated with flowers. Obviouly Archbishop Apuron has no regard for church authority, which is why we should have no regard for his.

4. Disregard for the required communion of the celebrant.

In the neo liturgy, the priest distributes communion before he receives his own communion. Whereas the Church (the one the rest of us belong to) instructs the priest to receive communion first THEN go to the communicants:
GIRM 158. After this, standing and turned toward the altar, the priest says quietly, Corpus Christi custodiat me in vitam aeternam (May the Body of Christ bring me to everlasting life) and reverently receives the Body of Christ. Then he takes the chalice, saying quietly, Sanguis Christi custodiat me in vitam aeternam (May the Blood of Christ bring me to everlasting life), and reverently receives the Blood of Christ. 
159. The Communion chant begins while the priest is receiving the Sacrament (cf. no. 86). 
160. The priest then takes the paten or ciborium and goes to the communicants, who, as a rule, approach in a procession.
5. Disregard for the proper reception of the Body of Christ.

In the neo liturgy, the communicants receive the sacred host in their hands but do not consume it. They return to their seats and then wait until the sacred host has been distributed to all the communicants and the priest gives the signal upon which they consume the same time he does. 

Whereas the Church (the one the rest of us belong to) instructs:
"As soon as the communicant receives the host, he or she consumes it entirely." (GIRM, par. 161)
The Neo's have a different hierarchy.

Diana says:
"I heard Father Pius say that these are the new instructions coming from the Pope. We received these instructions from Kiko Arguello who in turn received the same instructions from Pope Benedict."
Notice that the bishop and the pastor are completely left out of the neo hierarchy. The Church (the one the rest of us belong to) has a hierarchy that goes Pope-Bishop-Pastor. The Neo's have a hierarchy that goes Pope  (supposedly) - Kiko - Pius (catechist). No bishop. No pastor.

But speaking of what Pope Benedict actually said and said on paper:
"On the manner of receiving Holy Communion, a period of transition (not exceeding two years) is granted to the Neocatechumenal Way to pass from the widespread manner of receiving Holy Communion in its communities (seated, with a cloth-covered table placed at the center of the church instead of the dedicated altar in the sanctuary) to the normal way in which the entire Church receives Holy Communion. This means that the Neocatechumenal Way must begin to adopt the manner of distributing the Body and Blood of Christ that is provided in the liturgical books." (Letter to Kiko from the Congregation of Divine Worship and the Sacraments, 12/1/05, beginning with the words: "I am to inform you of the Holy Father’s decisions.")
 He then backed this up a few weeks later when he said:
"Precisely to help the Neocatechumenal Way to render even more effective its evangelizing action in communion with all the People of God, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments recently imparted to you in my name certain norms concerning the Eucharistic Celebration, after the trial period that the Servant of God John Paul II conceded. I am sure you will attentively observe these norms that reflect what is provided for in the liturgical books approved by the Church. " (ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI TO MEMBERS OF THE NEOCATECHUMENAL WAY, 12 January 2006)
This is why we can laugh at Diana (and all those she/he represents) when the Diana says:
When the Pope tells us that we are to receive the Body of Christ standing and then sit and wait until everyone receives the Body of Christ, and then we can consume it together with the priest, the NCW will obey the Pope’s instruction. We are not going to say, “Pope, we will do it when you put it down in writing.”
LOL. "...the NCW will obey the Pope's instruction". Right, since when? They blatantly refused to obey the pope's instruction even after he urged them to "attentively observe these norms....recently imparted in my name."

Essentially, Diana is indicting Pope Benedict for causing grave scandal, for Diana is telling us that the the pope said one thing officially and another thing behind everyone else's back but theirs. But of course Benedict did no such thing. Popes don't operate this way, especially as regards the governance of the sacred liturgy, and especially as something so central to the "Sacrament of Unity" as the communion rite itself.

No, what we have here is another Neo-LIE, a big one. A lie manufactured by Kiko, promulgated by Pius, and eaten up hook, line, and sinker by all the obedient mindless kiko-sheep like Anthony Apuron and Diana. 

More over, Diana makes Apuron appear to be an idiot. On December 17, 2014, at a pastoral visit in Yona, Apuron was asked the same question. He replied that Rome had given permission for the practice and that he would "find it" somewhere.

How does one find an oral instruction? Obviously Apuron wanted us to believe that the permission was written, thus he would "find it". He never did of course, because there is no permission. He only said that to shut up the questioners.

And then Diana really shows us that Apuron is nothing more than "Brother Tony" when she instructs Eleanor:
"...if you do not believe any of it, you can always write a letter of complaint to the Vatican."
LOL, Diana. The person charged with the governance of the liturgy in a diocese is the bishop. The fact that you don't even consider him as the person to "write a letter of complaint to" tells us what you think of this bishop: that he is a nothing, a nobody, a place holder in the church hierarchy. Yes, we know that, thank you for the confirmation that your real bishop is Pius the Samnut.

But Diana really shoots herself in the foot when she references the timing of the "permission": "At the "Beginning of the Year Convivience (sic) in 2008..."

Even if the pope had given the permission in early 2008, he apparently changed his mind a few months later when the final version of the NCW received approval, for whereas Kiko's 2002 statute (on the right) includes sitting to receive communion, the final version (on the left) approved by Pope Benedict in June 2008, completely eliminates it:

So in one short reply to Eleanor, "The Diana" shows the absolute mental ineptitude wrought by a helpless addiction to KAKA (Kiko Arguello Kool Aid). No wonder The Dianas don't use their real names. I wouldn't either if I was this STUPID!

Nevertheless "The Diana(s)" here provide all the evidence we need to see that the Neocatechumenal Way - at least as it is practiced on Guam - has both a different liturgy and a different hierarchy, placing it outside the Catholic Church, and giving us all the more reason to resist it ever more vehemently. And so we shall!




    better to close and lock the doors of the church, than to allow this kind of junk mentality


  2. Archbishop Apuron featured on on May 8, 2015.

    1. Yes, and here's the message I left there:

      I can personally vouch for the fact that Apuron has said nothing of the sort. Everything that is published on the subject is written by Fr. Francis Walsh in an effort to prop up Apuron because he is under fire for his horrible mistreatment of priests who do not support his beloved Neocatechumenal Way.. In fact, the very fact that Guam, an 85% Catholic island, and staunchly Catholic for 400 years is at the point of recognizing same-sex marriage and aborts 10% of its children is a damning indictment of the failure of this bishop's leadership, not to mention his flagrant lying and stealing from the people of Guam, a fact that you will soon see acted upon. If I were you, I'd take this post down asap. The only real hero in this war on marriage in Guam is the Governor, who has refused to be cowed by the usual bullies, including Guam's AG.

    2. I think Churchmilitant T.V. should dig deeper into Apuron's treacherous and vindictive character and how he's divided the Catholic community on Guam. Now that should be news for all the world to know!

    3. His excellency has declared that there is no division. So that's it, I guess. Archbishop Hon, you on board with this??

  3. Janet B - MangilaoMay 11, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Tim, please put back the Ultimate Treachery at the top of this post. I would much rather look at the beautiful seminary we owned until Tony gave it away. Looking at the face of Diana is like staring into Hell. She IS the devil incarnate!

    A few comments on this post though...

    Kikos directory says "We don’t have a particular place where exclusively we should celebrate our worship." And Tony the Thief says, "we do not allow worship in particular consecrated places like the Boys Chapel at FD. This is how messed up the kikos are. If for them they can celebrate anywhere they please you would think they would believe this to be the case for everyone else as well. But Tony refuses to allow worship for the Guam community at FD, because we are not kiko. And he wonders why I feel so much anger when I cannot even worship in my neighborhood, in a blessed space? Sheesh!

    Regarding kneeling during the consecration, a nephew was in a recent Confirmation class and it was explained to him that they reason why priests do not kneel is that because Christ is acting through the priest and concelebrants, in personia Christi. But everyone else should kneel, even the deacons, but they are not in personia Christi. Sound like a reasonable lesson. I guess this also makes clear what we heard Diana say long ago, that they are concelebrants. So do they really believe that Christ is working through them? Sounds pretty heretical to me. I am amazed that Rome hasn't taken stronger action to this point. But then again, one must remember that the NCW is a meaningless, very small part of the whole church. They are really nothing more than a pimple on the rear of a large lady.

    Regarding flowers on the altar. Again this is a church thing that I don't totally understand, but the Church guidelines are pretty easy to understand. No flowers on the altar. I remember a few years back when all the priests were told they had to start following the rules as written. Our priest, who was not a neo-nut, followed this reminder. We taught us that during masses, the basket of money, and fruit baskets should not even be placed in front of the altar but to the side. And if flowers were brought up, as in some funerals, they were to be placed on the floor in front of the altar, but not on top as was done in the past. Not hard to follow. Unless you're an idiot kiko who cares nothing about Church teachings.

    One good bit I learned from your post. I see the kikos disrespect Tony in the very same way we regular Catholics do. We treat him no different than any other buffoon who wants to attend mass, and the kikos treat him no different than any other buffoon who wants to attend a kiko "celebration". So at least Rome can now say that his lack of respect on Guam is universal.

    Good post, but please restore the photo at top of the property that used to belong to the people of God in Guam.

    1. Sorry to disturb you with the face of evil, but we have to know what evil looks like in order to defeat it.

    2. You ought to know what the devil looks like TIM, look in the mirror and you will see }(:-<> 11

    3. TIM !!!! what's up you can't look in mirror, coward 666:07 PM

    4. LOL. simply disprove anything I've said.

    5. Janet, didn't you hear Archbishop? He did not give the seminary away. Are you deaf? What else does he have to do? Please enlighten.

    6. Ohhhh, seminarians back on JW!! Sneaky, sneaky. I'd love to read the papers they compose. Probably don't have to write any. No instructors to grade them anyhow. Can't wait for seminarians trained in the communities in five years according to Pius' predictions.

  4. Janet B - MangilaoMay 11, 2015 at 5:40 PM

    Diana looks like Fr Adrian, wearing his lipstick again. If he would smile and show his teeth we could tell for sure.

    1. With or without lipstick Adrian sure is FUGLY! I think Diana is Adrian because you can use letters found in "Adrian" to spell Diana.
      Fundraiser coming up for Adrian's sex change.

  5. All in all, the audience for the "Diana" website is not us. It is intended for those in NCW communities. The reason so is because Fr. Pius has given the communities specific instructions to stay away from Jungle Watch and other sites and to adhere to "Diana's."

    Being that "Diana's" primary audience are those in community, she is only repeating what is already promoted in community. And since most in community are not aware that "Diana" is written by a congregation of people with Fr. Pius at the helm, they think that this "Diana" must be truthful because she repeats exactly what their catechist have already instructed them.

    It's important to understand this scam in order to appreciate the absurdity of the existence of "Diana." Her blog is another tool used in the conditioning of it's members.

    That being said, and as "Diana's" secondary audience, I intend to continue to ridicule the fatuousness and banality of her content.

    I am sure that as those who oppose Tim's analysis purely on an emotional level will eventually resort to name calling and insults rather than try to disprove his evidence - just as their champion "Diana" has already been active in doing so.

    1. Still waiting for Rome to act. This is practiced worldwide. Can't they see enough?

    2. Evidently, not.

    3. Mary Lou Garcia-PeredaMay 12, 2015 at 12:57 PM

      Well stated, Jose M at 6:15 PM! I truly do appreciate your ongoing "analyses" on the posts by "The Diana(s)" by pointing out the utter foolishness of their content. Since "The Diana" usually like to engage in twisted attacks on the administrator and contents of this blog, I was waiting to see what kind of spin they would put on The Ultimate Treachery.

      In light of how "The Diana" had claimed "The money for the purchase of the Hotel was donated to the Archdiocese by an off island benefactor who offered it with the explicit intention of erecting the Seminary and the Theological Institute …" I wanted to see what somersaults and/or smokes and mirrors would be used to disprove Tim's The Ultimate Treachery post. Alas, it was not to be. That post was pointedly ignored while "The Diana" addressed (in their minds) more pressing issues — one post trying to disprove Chuck White's analysis of Kiko's "artwork" and multiple posts about the Convivience [sic] in Israel.

      Keep up your wonderful work, Jose. I hope and pray your words penetrate the hearts and minds of those poor souls so that they see the TRUTH.

      God bless you!

    4. Team Diana using Apurons favorite and effective techniques of silence; just waiting for us fools to go away. Something has to give.

    5. Meanwhile Baylonian Talmud is fascinating. Someone else is doing Diana. A complete blast ignoring the bomb. Remember the bomb, folks?? Suit.

    6. Of course, Apuron learned from the master Pius.

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  7. AnonymousMay 11, 2015 at 3:30 PM
    Oh, and yes, I will be writing to Cardinal Pell - and will gladly cite that reference. But primarily I will be asking him how the NCW, being a means of Catholic Christian formation, and not being an organisation, association or order, and have "no assets of its own" (see the Statutes) can sponsor and pay for 120 rabbis, 7 Cardinals, 20 bishops, an orchestra and hundreds of laity to come on this holiday seminar.

    DianaMay 11, 2015 at 8:11 PM
    Dear Anonymous at 3:30 pm,

    Isn't it amazing how God can provide! :-)

    1. Yeeessss, Father Pius. Amazing. Indeed.

  8. The height of obnoxious..

  9. Is Lady Di referring to the years of Apuron before the Maltese explorer arrived??

    DianaMay 12, 2015 at 6:24 AM
    Dear Anonymous at 8:41 pm,

    I was referring to the time here in Guam. Somewhere the vast majority of Catholics lost their faith. Just look at how many of them are cohabitating rather than entering the sacrament of marriage. And look at how many parents actually allow their children to cohabitate with their boyfriends or girlfriends UNDER their roof. Look at how many Catholics go to church only out of obligation. Look at how many of them only go to church on Christmas and Easter. Look at how many of them divorced their spouse and how many of them married in civil court. Many Catholics on Guam lost their faith a long time ago even BEFORE the Way was on Guam.

    1. Archbishop Apuron, the lost shepherd, was too busy and simply didn't care about his flock. He was too busy making his CD and documentary about his holy life (yeah right!). You must understand that it has always been about Tony since the time he became bishop.

    2. Don't be surprised to see the 50th anniversary booklet with 3/4 all about himself and the MIRACLE OF THE RMS. 1/8 about the parishes and the rest advertisement.

  10. Good grief! Is the Bishop's vestment a Kiko design as well? Never saw that one before in our (OUR) church.

  11. Isn't the Reception of the Eucharist meant for the Soul? What is the rational for holding on to it until all can receive in unison???? The Soul pines for Christ and isn"t design for a community exercise. Still waiting for the response you were going to provide to us a 147 days ago during your visit to St. Francis Parish.

  12. JungleWatch is boring. Diana's blog is having a hot discussion about the Babylonian Talmud. HUH?

    1. Normal and logical, since Francisco Arguello-Wirth poaches most of his liturgical ideas in the Talmud.
      While most of the secretive selection and level inductions of the NCW are based on the Masonic rites of the Anglo-Saxon lodges.
      Chase the natural, and it comes back running.

  13. All you sick f***

    1. Right... you don't have enuf brains for a rebuttal so all you can do is threaten? Is your theme song "if I only had a brain"

    2. hello! anon at 1.15......" mirror, mirror on the wall......"

  14. The reason why they say that the Pope gave permission is, if you recall, Rylko tried to sneak one by on Pope Benedict and make him sign something that would have granted their very wishes, but, and I attribute this to the working of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Father caught it and the result is that which was given to them by then prefect Cardinal Arinze and the follow up exhortation by Benedict.

  15. Convivience In Israel should read as "connivance in Israel"

  16. Some Our People are losing faith.

  17. I have found that link I posted wasnt working.
    Here you can find some Neocatechumenal "altars"....look at fruits over the altar!

  18. Hafa adai, Archbishop Apuron. While talking to a former catechist of the Neocatechumenal Way today, I learned a new word. "arcanum". The dictionary defines it thus:

    1. A deep secret; a mystery.
    2. often arcana Specialized knowledge or details unknown to or misunderstood by the average person:
    3. A secret essence or remedy; an elixir.

    My friend says that it's the commonly used term by catechists of "the Way" to refer to the secrets which they are forbidden to share. Has the sect that you brought here to Guam taught you that word yet?

    1. Chuck, I do think that apuron is oblivious to the arcane goings-on in the kaka rooms. He is a bottom feeder like the rest of the ncw majority. Ncw merely needed a weak bishop whose position the catechists can usurp and exploit to deploy their wiles and desires. A rubbber stamp is what they needed, and they got it in a weak-willled and greedy apuron. Complacent and compliant to ncw troublemaking but ruthless and malicious towards non-ncw individuals. The height of betrayal against the equal dignity of human persons!!!

    2. Cardinal O'malley likes the term. "I shared with them some thoughts about this traditio of the Our Father at Baptism and Confirmation, and the custom of arcanum in the early Church. Following that, we reflected on the meaning of the beautiful petitions in the Lord ’s Prayer.

    3. He might be Pope. Then we all have to join. He digs NCW.

    4. Yes, O'Malley is a kiko, for sure, for sure.

      The full term for the church's use of the word arcanum is Disciplina Arcani and it refers to a practice in the early church of guarding certain teachings and practices.

      It's pretty obvious why we find this in the early church (persecutions and heresies were rampant), and it is just as obvious why the practice disappears once Christianity is securely established.

      But of course given Kiko's belief that that real Church disappeared after Constantine (just as the Mormons believe), Kiko, with himself as the head, is attempting to manufacture a church model that ignores 1600 years of maturation.

      He's not the first. Over and over again, charlatans and impostors have tried to resurrect some idea of the primitive church in order to do nothing less than to fashion a church according to their own ideas with, of course, themselves as the central authority.

      Pius XII wrote a whole encyclical condemning this practice (called "archaeologism") and shame on O'Malley for speaking of the Disciplina Arcani in a way that would give credence to Kiko's form of resurrecting it (if that's what he did).

    5. Pius XII:

    6. O'malley chairman of the board. NCW all the way.

    7. Kiko's revival of the practice of Disciplina Arcani is merely an attempt to create an Esoteric Christianity.

    8. The use of the word "arcanum" by the Kikos is another way of saying they are spiritually better than those who are not in their cult. They are so in awe with themselves. Are we impressed?

    9. In awe with themselves??? Sweeeet, just like the fallen Angel.

    10. NCW needs intensive lessons in the development of church doctrine in order to understand the "maturation process" that Tim alluded to. Only one callous and careless enough will dare ignore the nuances, differences and resolutions that gave rise to the body of work we now refer to as deposit of faith or Magisterium. One is evil if one leads others to similar carelessness in proclaiming their mistake as gospel.

  19. Who is that NEO/NCW individual in the far left with his arms crossed?.... That is very disrespectful towards the consecration of the Eucharist as Christ makes himself present for all to witness.

    1. What's new Richard? This is nothing compared to the seminarians receiving communion with their arms folded or in their pockets. Hands are folded when they are wearing their uniforms. In civilian clothing it's a different story.

    2. Learning something new from a distance. 20+ years serving the military after serving the Catholic Church in Guam (departed 1989).... Been to many masses abroad to include fifteen months in Iraq and three years in Afghanistan.... Never saw this disrespect during the Eucharistic Prayer...... Shame how the island has changed since AAA took over.....This further proves that Guam has been without a true shepherd since the death of the late +Archbishop Flores.....Shame, Shame, Shame on the NEO/NCW Leadership at the Chancery.....Prayers from a distance.

    3. The male in the back row also having his arms crossed is Attorney Pablo Aglubat.