Tuesday, June 9, 2015

HOW SAD FOR GIAMPIERO

Chuck White recently did a post about Kiko's teaching on Purgatory, or his lack of it. Kiko teaches that at death, believers simply fall asleep and awake in the resurrection. (That's a very Seventh Day Adventist teaching by the way.)

Kiko makes no allowance for Purgatory, which is a fundamental dogma of the Catholic faith, meaning it must be believed or one is not Catholic. 

Fr. Pius confirms that NCW doctrine rejects purgatory on the home page of his website: http://www.fatherpius.com/

In the top right corner of the home page is an icon. About the icon, Pius says the following: 

"Painted by Giampiero Curi from Fermo (Italy), seminarian at the Redemptoris Mater Seminary in London, UK. Died very suddenly at the age of 28, just after finishing his theology studies with honors. He is now happy in the Lord with the angels."

How sad for Giampiero. Because of the teachings of Kiko and Pius he may be languishing in Purgatory with no one to pray for him.


14 comments:

  1. That reminds, me, Tim, of what David Atienza, a professor at UOG and at "our" RMS seminary, said a few years ago about Chamorro prayers for the dead:

    “The popular accepted believe (sic) in Guam is that not (sic) Chamorro will go hell as far (sic) as he or she has family that pray (sic) the rosary for them during the funeral rituals. Even if the decease (sic) person commit (sic) suicide his salvation will not depend on his personal conversion but on the efforts and prayers of the taotao or familia; the extended family.”

    Click here to read more.

    A complete misrepresentation of the beliefs of the faithful here, to be sure, but his perspective undoubtedly has its origins in Kiko's teaching.

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  2. maybe fr pius received some authentic divine revelation that giampiero is in fact in heaven. ha, right.

    if there's something that will finally make the Catholics of guam rise up and reject the neocats, kiko's erroneous teaching on purgatory could be it. praying for the dead is a strong tradition among both chamorros and filipinos.

    chamorros in particular have been honoring their dead long before the spanish arrived. it could well become the final outrage from the neocats. so far apuron has been wise to stay hands-off from it ... not sure how long that wisdom will last, though. :)

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  3. Fr. Matthew BlockleyJune 10, 2015 at 1:06 AM

    We must constantly pray for the dead and offer Holy Mass for the dead since we not
    Believe in Purgatory. If those who have died are in purgatory and most who die need
    Purgatory before sharing in the full vision of God they need our prayers. The Holy
    Should in purgatory can only be released through our prayers. To teach that there
    Is purgatory is not only against catholic teaching it serious damages the eternal
    Outcome of souls entering into the eternal vision of God.

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  4. another troubling aspect of this is that it's customary for carmelites to pray for the deceased members of the order, every day. but we already know that pius hasn't been very faithful to his order's tradition for a long time. btw, any updates on the petition to the ocd father general about pius?

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  5. In my observations, I see neos going to the rosaries for the dead; however it looks like they come because they just want to "show their face" You see, more often than not, you see them coming in toward the end of the rosary or toward the end of the Mass for the dead. How sly is that!

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  6. A friend of mine was ridiculed by her Neo in-laws here for praying for the dead at Pigo. They are in one of the Barrigada communities.

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    1. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

      1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin." From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God. The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

      Let us help and commemorate them. If Job's sons were purified by their father's sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.

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  7. This will sound harsh, but you know how we can counter this heresy mentioned in the original post? Stop canonizing our loved ones in their obituaries. I understand the pastoral intention of consoling a grieving family member, but it is most uncharitable to mislead someone as well.

    It has been joked that people come to spend the last days of their lives here on Guam because when they pass, the announcements in PDN positions them in heaven. [the PDN is our local newspaper - for our international viewers]

    Let this be on the record. When I pass, I request it be not announced that I am joining anyone in heaven . . . for I am going to need all your prayers!

    It's been said before and bears repeating again: The primary way to counter the NCW errors and all other heresy on our island is to open up the Catechism of the Catholic Church and read it; attend Mass; and receive the sacraments as given to us by our Lord Jesus Christ. In other words, know the Church and practice the liturgy as she teaches.

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    1. Thanks Jose. Yes, sadly I had to inform some people yesterday who were concerned about the doctrinal errors of the neo's that we have plenty of that going on with non-neo's, and sending one's relatives directly to heaven at every funeral is one of them. I think it's just a matter of our priests having the courage to tell us the truth. There are plenty of Mass intentions for the dead so there is obviously a belief that the faithful departed may not yet be in heaven, but there is a disconnect between those intentions and what we hear at almost every funeral and how we speak of our dearly departed to each other. "Pray for his soul" should be a constant response tot he mention of anyone who has passed. I wrote about this in the U Matuana here:

      http://www.themassneverends.com/2012/11/heaven-probably-not-your-next-stop.html

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    2. Mary Lou Garcia-PeredaJune 10, 2015 at 12:24 PM

      Jose at 10:02 AM, I myself am guilty of Premature Canonization, which I did in the death announcements for both my parents. Of course, in addition to praying daily for the eternal repose of their souls (and others), I have Masses offered daily for them, my sister and my in-laws. But the announcements implied they had bypassed Purgatory since I used the phrase "… passed into Eternal Life and will be met at the gates of Heaven" or something to that effect.

      I plan to write my own announcement along the lines of "Please pray for the eternal repose of the Soul of …" for my family to publish in the PDN because I know that Purgatory awaits.

      BTW: When I attend Funerary Rosaries, I refuse to respond with "Have mercy on us" OR "Pray for us" during the Litany of Loreto. I will say audibly Have mercy on and Pray for and then under my breath complete the response with him/her/them, as appropriate, because the Holy Souls in Purgatory need those prayers.

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    3. Mary Lou. You said: " . . . [I] complete the response with him/her/them, as appropriate, because the Holy Souls in Purgatory need those prayers."

      If it helps, I believe if you say "us" with the intent that "us" also includes the Church Militant and the Church Suffering, then it is fine. In other words, when you say "Pray for us . . ." you are not omitting those who may still be in purgatory nor are you selfishly praying only for yourself.

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  8. This is why neo teachings are not easily accessible as they teach other than what the Church teaches.
    Eileen Benavente-Blas

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  9. Speaking about errors; I saw something disturbing in a funeral announcement on PDN, of a Catholic member (I assume he was Catholic because the announcement mentioned that a Mass was scheduled) who also was not only a member of the Mason, but had attained a high ranking in the Mason. This disturbed me because I remember being taught that Catholics could not be members of the Mason and it was a mortal sin, as well, to ignore this fact and become a member, anyway! Scottish Rite and The Shriners both come under the Mason umbrella. Primarily, I believe membership is forbidden because the Masons also teach in opposition to Catholic doctrine. Can you expound on this, Tim or Chuck? We have many Catholic men who are members of the Mason thinking it is an organization similar to being a member of the Chamber of Commerce and it is not.

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    1. What is the Catholic Church's official position on Freemasonry? Are Catholics free to become Freemasons?

      http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/CAMASON1.htm

      Sadly, though, this is another casualty of a lack of leadership and authentic Catholic teaching.

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