Sunday, December 6, 2015

TWISTED SCRIPTURE

Posted by Chuck White

Kiko Argüello frequently twists and deforms the meaning the Sacred Scriptures in order to manipulate his followers and further his own sectarian goals. Here is yet another example...read more.


44 comments:

  1. Money is the root of all evil; give everything to NEO Anti-Christ Kiko. There is plenty of KAKA for everyone....Joy!

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  2. We have seen the manifestation of all there heretical teachings over the past years from the likes of Pius, Apuron, the RMS professors. There is no greater heretical teaching however than that which denies the divinity of Jesus, and to teach that he is a sinner. This one doctrine decapitates our whole Christian faith, Catholics and protestants alike. This heretical teaching eventually denies the Holy Trinity, Jesus Eucharistic Sacrifice, The efficaciousness of the Sacraments that Jesus gave us. The implications are very great, and should send all of us to call out our Chruch leaders on this matter that affects the eternal life of many poor souls.
    God help us all to defend the truth of his Church..

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  3. Our Tony would like to honor his master Kiki with an honorary doctorate degree.
    DD = Diabolical Deceiver
    Neither of these two has earned a degree but the title seems to fit.

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  4. Brethren, I am visiting this site for the first time. We should not use words that can bring down a man of God. If he is not doing it right, why not take pains to tell the man, you can mail or text him to call his attention to this. We should not judge, he is doing his best to win souls to the kingdom. Don't be a pundict, be a soul winner, have you ever climb the podium to preach to thousands? Do you think it is easy? why not give it a try before condemning others. These are the vices of the devil, post words to incest several others, and the image of the man of God will be condemned. Please, stop posting stuffs like this, God bless you.

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    1. Adebiyi, email or text him you say? I really didn't think of that. Do you know Kiko Arguello's email address or cell phone number? I will certainly drop him a line if you can provide that contact info to me. That might take care of the issue! Thanks!

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    2. LOL. Please stop visiting sites "for the first time" and presuming to lecture those who have been engaged in this battle with the beast for many years. And more LOL, given that the likes of Hitler "climbed the podium to preach to thousands," I guess no one had the right to condemn him (according to you) unless we first "gave it a try." Thanks for providing more evidence of what Kiko's KAKA does to brains...and probably souls.

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    3. adebiyi: pope benedict himself took "pains to tell the man," and kiko defied him. haven't you noticed this persistent problem? look beyond this one "man of God," and look for Christ Himself through what the Church actually teaches.

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    4. Mr Tim, I am not lecturing you. But why call him a beast? Just because someone's ideology and pedagogy does not fall in line with yours does not make them beast. From the beginning of existence, people mode of thinking differs, and it will always be, the devil, despite being the most exalted Angel had a different opinion on governance, so tell me bro, why won't we have different mode of teaching, why won't we have different mode of information dissemination. His teachings may be different from yours, but it all boils down to one thing, "Winning souls for the kingdom". You said thanks for providing evidence of what Kiko does to brains, for the record, I don't know the man, I have never heard him preach, but when I searched his name, guess what I saw, I saw a man doing his best to get the gospel out there, I saw a man striving to attain perfection, I saw a man who never replies haters. Stop hating brethen, the kingdom of heaven is @ hand, let's do everything possible to populate the kingdom of God and depopulate the kingdom of darkness! And to the brother that needs his mail, if you diligently search for it, you will get it. God bless you sirs.

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    5. We are doing exactly that: doing everything we can to Populate the kingdom of God an depopulate the kingdom of darkness." But since you subscribe to the latter, it rather useless responding to you, other than to hold you up as another KAKA specimen. Are you sure your real name isn't Zoltan? In any event, you negate all you say since you are doing exactly what you criticize us of doing. So typical. You guys are all the same. Oh that's right. You all drink the same KAKA. Bye.

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    6. Mr. Adebiyi,
      Do not listen to anyone who tells you these wrong things. Before that day, there will be a time when many will turn away from God. A powerful and wicked man will also come, but the *Lord will destroy him. This man will oppose God. And he will oppose everything that people call God. He will oppose everything that people *worship. He will say that he is more powerful than all of them. He will even sit in the *temple of God and say that he is God. This man is Kiko Arguello.

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    7. The Word of God says "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved". We are Fighters of the Faith and Soldiers of Christ. We will let no mortal man manipulate and twist the Word of a God for their personal agenda and glory. If you seem to believe otherwise, then my God have mercy on your soul.

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  5. Another NEO who admittedly presents himself to the blog for the first time and assumes to know what all has taken place and then proceeds to speak as if he is an authority on how to address people in a correct way. Adebiyi, You do not know what the hell you are talking about, and you got the nerve to lecture us. Until you are familiar with our situation here in Guam with the NCW, I suggest you refrain from trying to lecture us on how we are to deal with our crisis. And yes our efforts are focused on battling the vices of the Devil in the crooked leaders of our church.

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  7. Adebiyi Ayorinde, are you in the Way?

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  8. Adebiyi is most definetly a NCW/NEO Cult member; why else would he be defending this evil and dark person. Joy!!!!

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  9. recently posted on the cruxsancta blog (in spanish) is an extensive passage quoted from the neocat initial convivence, criticizing Eucharistic devotions! talk about kaka!

    http://cruxsancta.blogspot.com/2015/12/convivencia-de-inicio-de-camino-xvi.html?m=1

    it boggles the mind how this crap has gotten the support of the hierarchy for so long--well, i guess we shouldn't be too surprised. money and power.

    cruxsancta also quotes kiko having made racist comments about cardinal arinze, while dismissing the cardinal's directives about the neocat liturgical abuses because he's uninformed. it seems apuron's disparaging comments about cardinal arinze weren't very far from his glorious leader's mind.

    this infection needs to be fought not just by removing it, but by educating our people with the true teaching of the Church. people are misled so easily because they haven't been taught to begin with! let us begin.

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  10. Adebiyi, you state and claim that “… the devil, despite being the most exalted Angel had a different opinion on governance…" My jaw dropped when you go on to feeble mindedly wonder: “why won't we have different mode of information dissemination”!! So, the devil Luther, simply differed in his opinion of governance, compared to the ideas which GOD, THE CREATOR, HIMSELF, had in mind???

    “Luther, the exulted devil” (as you describe him) and Luther’s differing opinion on governance is who you and kiko regard as your model to follow? How telling about your cockeyed logic and the warped catechesis you pursue that is pitched by Kiko thru his personally-founded and self-instituted cult, the ncw!

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  11. Come brethen, let us reason together. At the end of all his preachings, did Kiko ever say "give your life to the devil"? Kiko preaches about the Kingdom, and he does it by using the scriptures to reach out to minds, 40,000 youths got up at one of his gatherings to say "yes" to christ, isn't that a feat that we should all be happy about? That is the holy spirit at work, because it is the holy spirit who can convince 40,000 youths to get up and decide to follow Jesus, do you think just any man can pull that? The devil has sent agents of discord and confusion into various churches, and they are doing everything humanely possible to bring down the church. Have you ever read about the kingdom of the devil, how disciplined they are? In the kingdom of darkness, they work in unison, that is why it is easy for them to destroy christians, alas in christiandoms, what do we have? Brethens gathering together after a man preaches to cast stones at him, to check his errors, to make sure he is brought down, why? So that we can climb up right? It is not fair, one thing I believe in is this "As long as people give their lives to Jesus because Mr Kiko took the message to them, then I think Mr kiko is doing the greatest commission given to us by Jesus christ which is "go out and propagate the gospel". You called me "Neo", I am in africa, Nigeria to be precise, I don't know any Neo. "The message I am trying to pass is simple, let's stop wasting precious time meant for evangelism on casting stones, Jesus is coming some, and he said "I am coming to reward everyone according to the works of his hands".... The question is, what are your works? What are my works? Will there be rewards for you and I when the savior comes?

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    1. Why don't you join the NEO and then come report on your experience. In the meantime Peace and Merry Christmas.

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    2. Doesn't the truth matter, Adebiyi? If it does, then please counter my specific claim that Kiko distorts the Gospel with evidence of your own.

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    3. The Way works in unison in the same manner as the kingdom of darkness. Their prophet Kiko who enjoys god status even lectures the Pope. The Way's false Catholicism is a vulnus to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

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    4. Adebiyi,

      The problem with you logic is that the 40,000 have responded to Kiko's call, What is important however is the Fact that It is Jesus who calls, He tells us so in Scripture, It is he who chooses us. Scripture also tells us that many are indeed called but only a few are chosen. This is the problem with the presbyters that Kiko has called in Guam, Many are ill prepared and suited for the ministry of the Priesthood. Many do not believe on the fundamental doctrines of The Church that Christ founded and instead are teaching heretical doctrines that lead many people away. It is easy to attract a great crowd and convince them that they are called, However it is not man who chooses, It is rather a discernment of the individual along with the Church that Christ established who determines if one is called to the ministry of the priesthood. The Church after all is qualified since it is the pillar and foundation of Truth. What credential does Kiho have, Who sent him? Who anointed him to speak as the church speaks?

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    5. Adebiyi, please, be honest, what is the problem to say "Yes, I am in the Way, I belong to a neocatechumenal community?". I can't belive you weren't in the Way and talk about numbers of the Way such a prayer...
      I was in the Way, from the begining to the end, I can smell the Way's members through kilometres.

      I would like to remain Macial Maciel. He did not simple works, but prodigy, wonderful facts...John Paul II loved so much, for him Maciel was a living saint. Maciel looked like.

      Some time ago I could read the experience of one priest, he was one of Maciel's favourites.
      That priest had to left Legion of Christ and was terrific how he explained that Maciel realy did over natural things, so Marcial Maciel's evil was over natural too.
      That priest said Maciel over natural facts were from the Devil, why? Because Devil is able to copy even the virtues, he is able to do miracles to lie. Just one thing Devil is not able to do: ask for forgiveness. That is the only thing he can not imitate, because he will destroy his own nature if did.

      And Macial Maciel never asked for forgiveness even when he was insisted to do it til the last minute of life. NEVER.
      Even when in doubt, he never wanted to ask for forgiveness.

      Do not tempt. If the goal is the faith of the Church, Devil is able to do anything...40.000 could turn into 4 million...That's a insignificance if the final objetive is killing the faith.

      I began in the Way in 80's. I know Kiko from then. I had heard him since decades ago. I know people who started with him, people very close to him and who were catechised by him, people who were with him in his community while he was implementing the Way.

      NEVER, and I say NEVER, Kiko has asked for forgiveness in public, NEVER!!! Remain this. Please, look for all his spechees in public along these decades, from the beginning, read all catechesis's transcriptions...and please, if you find it, tell me.

      It is quite surprising, isn't it?

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    6. Bulhit Mr. Adebiyi Ayorinde; you clearly are a NEO Cult scumbag. Slither back into the hole you came from and stay away from the jungle. You clearly are too full of KAKA which prevents you from seeing the truth.

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  12. You say that you don't know any NEO but you know Kiko? Kiko is the epitome of the NEO. You also said that Kiko does propagate the gospel but it's according to his interpretation of the Word. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. There is no need to add or change anything and that's what the NEOS do with their Kiko. If you are not NEO, what are you?

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  13. Mr. Ayorinde, you are either incredibly naive or incredibly stupid. Either way, please refrain from making statements about which you are not familiar, otherwise your lofty comments are of no help to our crusade on this island. Find out how and why people have come to this point of anger and frustration before you cast those rocks from your comfortable perch in Africa. For your information, this fight has been going on for years. The local archbishop Tony Apuron joined the neocatechumenal way approximately in 1998 and consequently enforced his personal attachment to this charism. He favored Europeans over local vocations and clergy. The results have been disastrous to our Church here. The presbyters they have formed have neither respect nor concern for the local culture and sensitivities, in fact they insult them. People are reacting negatively to you because they have been through numerous efforts of reconciliation and in trusting leadership, but in the end all they got are denials, lies and deceptive statements. People on Guam are respectful and are known to defer to authority, but are educated, critical and intelligent in their views. A leader who abuses his position, lies and cheats does not pass their test, and are criticized in an atmosphere of freedom of speech as guaranteed by our US Constitution.

    What the faithful Catholics seek is Truth, and a return to traditional Catholicism, not the secret initiations and devious agenda of the NCW. We are not apologetic about what we do because we want justice and Truth. Do not begrudge us for that. You know very well the historical struggles of your people in Nigeria yourself. You do not silence people just because their ideas do not agree with yours but you listen because you might get a fresh perspective. We have tried those ideas you mentioned, yet we have been given a blind eye and a hardened heart and ear in return. Do not be naive, do not be stupid, do not distract...listen to what people here are really saying.

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    1. He's a NEO and NEO spelled backwards is OEN which means a nincompoop, moron, dumb person and Let me add internet troll.

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  14. None of you have provided answers to the questions that I asked, is Kiko preaching "give your life to the devil"? His preaching and teachings are about the kingdom of God. The simple misunderstanding here is that ya'l disagree with his methods right? But if these methods are reaching out to the people, and people are getting saved, can't we call these methods "a success"? You said he changed the interpretation of the words, have you forgotten that the holy spirit is the teacher, the counselor and the one that gives an in-depth understanding of the word. I could remember a day when the spirit gave me a message which I titled "Hunchback - a burden so heavy". When the spirit started teaching, the holy spirit made me realize that an embargo was placed on the destiny of 70kings by adonibezek in the book of Judges. I was not there, but when the spirit started analyzing the experiences of those 70kings under the king's table, you did think I was there when it happened. Brethren, if you are truly filled with the spirit of God, there will be additional and extra-ordinary understanding of the scriptures. There will be additional variables, and you will be able to discharge the words undiluted just the way God wants us to do. Please let's refrain from condemning Men of God, as God himself hates condemnation. "You are all saying "kiko is this", "kiko is that" but what will be said about you after you are gone? What foundations are you living for others to follow? I am not claiming to be a saint because even our cleaning-ness is like a filthy rag before God almighty, and I am not even a pastor, but from your actions and words, you sound like the pharesees and saduces that brought that woman who committed adultery before Jesus. When Jesus wrote down their sins in front of them and asked them, he who has not sinned, let him cast the first stone, they all dropped their stones and went away. If you feel a man of God is missing it, all you need do is "Pray for them", "assist them in prayers", not to start a blog and stop showing the world their mistakes or start throwing jibes and tantrums at them. God bless you all. Amen

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    1. Actually, Adebiyi, you have not addressed the specific allegations in this post regarding the story of Zacchaeus. Kiko and St. Gregory cannot both be right. Is the sycamore a symbol of greed or one of conversion? It cannot be both. Answer the question. Hitler drew throngs of exuberant young people to his rallies too.

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    2. Typical KAKA brain, and purely ignorant of history. Yesterday, the feast of St. Nicholas, we celebrated the feast of a saint who punched a heretic in the face. This is precisely how the Church, our Church, used to deal with heresy. We simply believe in preserving the tradition.

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    3. "Who punched a heresy in the face right"? Okay fine, that's cool.... Remember Jesus attitude towards violence? When he asked his disciple to sheath his sword after he struck the ears of one of the men, he said "those who live by the blade.......you can complete that hehe! Gospel is best preached in love, okay look at what is happening in islam, normally the religion is suppose to be a religion of peace, but with what is happening in the world, for them to win converts now is difficult, why? The simple answer is "violence made it difficult for them"....

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    4. Adebiyi, Nicholas, the bishop of Myra, punched the heretic Arias in the face. Read more.

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    5. That's enough entertainment from this KAKA idiot. LOL. He thinks Islam is only now turning to violence. Go play on Diana's blog. You're not even fun anymore.

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  15. Adebiyi,

    the answer to you question is Sacred Scripture tells us the Devil is the most cunning of the Lords creatures, that means that his tactic is to trick you into falling, he is not going to come out and tell you that his plan is to destroy you. Just because Kiko is not teaching us to give our life to the Devil, does not mean that he is indeed following the devil's teaching. Kiko is surely not following the Church's teaching in many doctrinal areas of the faith, and the Church is what Christ gave us as the instrument of salvation in the world. An NEO professor in the RMS seminary was recorded as teaching that Jesus is a sinner. This teaching in itself undermines all that Christianity is. If Jesus is a sinner then our Christian faith is worthless, and our debates are a waste of time.

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  16. Adebiyi,
    You measure success by numbers, you look at the outward appearance and results. Jesus tells us that the true measure is the change of hearts and, It is God that will be the final arbriter of success. I see that you seem to give a lot of credit to Kiko, Have you not read in scripture that all good works are the work of God. Contraray to what you believe, we are not contesting difference of opinions or differences in methods of preaching. We are disputing heretical teaching that this sect is propagating against what the Church is teaching. The challenge is for you to dig deep into what Kiko and his cult is teaching and find out for yourself to know and understand where and what we are fighting up for. It is easy to look at the surface and make a rash judgement on something you really do not understand.

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  17. Mr Chuck White, thanks for replying. When I reviewed that story (the story of Zacchaeus), I realize that a lot of lessons and interpretations can be given to it depending on as the spirit direct. This lessons can come from different angle, but all aim at one single goal "illuminate lives and win souls for the kingdom". For example, when you read the story of Samson, a lot of lesson paints his death as victory because he killed more enemies at his death than when he was alive, and sometimes, when you take a sober reflection on it, you realize that samson was a man of glory who died at the camp of his enemies. His glory was taken away by a woman, and was temporarily restored to bring shame to the enemies. Another example was where Jesus cursed the fruitless tree, when the spirit shed more light on it, you will realize that God expects us to be fruitful, and a tree that is not fruitful is accursed. If I preached on the story, you will find out that if the spirit is going to reveal something to me, it will be different from that of other preachers, but all aimed at the same goal "illuminate lives and winning souls for the kingdom".... The bible says "let your light shine to all........" That is why it is essential to check our words anytime we use them, am I a carrier of light to men or am I a carrier of discord to men? Anytime you are in a situation that seems tensed, why not ask yourself this simple question "what will Jesus do if he finds himself in a similar situation"? We are suppose to be carrier of peace, not agents of discord. (God bless you Mr chuck).

    @anonymous 5:53pm.... Using words such as naïve and stupid on another man does not portray you as a good christian. God has given us all wisdom, so it is like you are saying God didn't give some people right?

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    1. Adebiyi, answer the question, and don't shuffle off to another topic: Kiko and St. Gregory cannot both be right. Is the sycamore a symbol of greed or one of conversion? It cannot be both.

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  18. Mr chuck White, I have been searching my spirit for the best answer to this, and from what is on my mind, they are both right. It depends on a lot of factors, 1. The type of audience you are preaching to e.g politicians, you can use the sycamore tree to symbolize political office holders who attain higher post and looking down at the innocent voters 2.Youths - who longs for power as in the case of Mr kiki who was addressing the youths. 3.Expectant mothers and people looking up to God for the fruit of the womb. 4.A man who engages in truancy and lots of more..... Although Zacchaeus climbed the sycamore tree for a specific purpose, others climb it for different purposes. For example, our thoughts on the sycamore tree may differ, I may want to climb it to peek at the next compound to behold a beautiful damsel, yours may be to climb it because you want to pluck its fruit or something else. From Mr kiki's teachings, he didn't say what Zacchaeus did was wrong, Zacchaeus was not an upright man before climbing the tree, that's why Jesus said "today salvation has come into your home"...... So the teachings may come in different dimensions, trust me, if you ask the holy spirit to teach you more about that passage, you will be surprised at the new things you will learn that will even be different from Mr kiki's teachings and mine. All you need do is take the bible and ask for the holy spirit to direct and guide you, you will be amaze at the things you will discover. It will look like you are unlocking a treasure. Just give it a try, and when you speak, people will stop to listen to you.

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    1. "both are right"? That's a perfect example of twisted scripture. Scripture that can be interpreted as having opposite meanings depending upon the "spirit". And what "spirit" is that? The spirit of confusion. You worship a different god, Mr. Ayorinde.

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  19. adebiyi, you said: "I realize that a lot of lessons and interpretations can be given to it depending on as the spirit direct."

    but that's precisely the problem and the danger, because surely those "lessons and interpretations" cannot all be true, and therefore cannot all be directed by the Spirit. if you or i or kiko or martin luther or anybody else drew an interpretation of Scripture that is against the Church's understanding, then that interpretation would be wrong and NOT as the Spirit directs.

    so, adebiyi, please focus on chuck's question and answer it honestly: in the story of zacchaeus, is the sycamore a symbol of greed (as kiko says) or one of conversion (as st gregory says)?

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  20. Don't feed the trolls. This adebiyi might be just that.

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  21. Typical NEO attitude. The lost finally get a hold of the Word then all of a sudden, they know everything. Guess what Mr. Ayorinde, the devil also knows the Word very well and interprets it for his advantage but will NOT and NEVER win. Tell your prophet, messiah or whatever he may call himself today that he too will NOT win.

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  22. Let us not waste time on this Ayorinde. Have a good life and live in your twisted brain, so long. Focus on your problems in Nigeria, you have many. Start with reforming the "Rich uncle died and left you a big inheritance" maggots who prey on gullible and desperate people. You might better represent your countrymen by fixing this rampant problem than lecturing us halfway across the globe on our NCW problems. We have educated and literate people here, thank you.

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  23. Click here for more twisted Scripture. This time, Kiko Arguello and his catechists twist the biblical Abraham almost beyond recognition. For their sectarian purposes, of course.

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