Wednesday, March 22, 2017

CRUX: Guam bishop aims to resolve ‘distress’ on Neocatechumenal Way


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  1. This new was distributed by ACIPRENSA in Spanish some days ago, and surprisingly was published by some neo-friendly religious webs from where was inmediatly removed a few minutes later. I supose the main tittle of the new made them think it was neo-friendly, but then somebody read the whole text and it was inmediatly removed. But it was too late.
    It is impossible to put doors in ocean.

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    1. Mary Lou Garcia-PeredaMarch 23, 2017 at 7:50 AM

      LAPAZ at 6:48 PM, I couldn't help smiling as I read your comment. I guess the title "Guam bishop aims to resolve 'distress' on Neocatechumenal Way" could have implied that the Archbishop Byrnes — who earlier spoke about the "good fruits, good priests" coming from RMS and also revealed that Cardinal Filoni was "who I report to" — was sympathetic to the NCW. As the Delusional Dingbat Diana and other KikoBots like to cry "Persecution!" the phrase "resolve 'distress' ON" probably gave the impression that Byrnes, like Apuron before him, would be supporting the NCW. So the idea of "neo-friendly religious webs" publishing this article — most likely based on the title — only to remove it upon discovering the contents is amusing. If the title had read "Guam bishop aims to resolve 'distress' CAUSED BY Neocatechumenal Way" — which is what he's actually doing — the neo-friendly sites wouldn't have touched it.

      Thank you for the insights you have provided via your comments and posts in JungleWatch. I look forward to reading them. In the meantime I hope and pray that, per your closing statement "It is impossible to put doors in [the] ocean," the actions taken by Archbishop Byrnes will be a model for other bishops/archbishops (nationally and internationally) to follow.

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  2. The NEO leadership cannot handle the truth and will go though great lengths to hide it to protect their resources because the truth will open their eyes of their followers and set them free. God is so good.

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  3. I'm watching this tv show called "The Path." I feel like it's a show about this whole issue.

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    1. Mary Lou Garcia-PeredaMarch 23, 2017 at 8:49 AM

      Anonymous at 12:55 AM, I had never heard of a TV show called "The Path" so I looked it up. I found it interesting that, per Wikipedia, "The series was originally titled The Way, but was changed to The Path in September 2015 due to its similarity to real-life ministry and alleged cult, The Way International."

      If the original title had been kept, it could have been tied to both The Way International and the NeoCatechumenal Way as the founders of both movements claim to follow first-century Christianity. The founder of The Way International also claims that God spoke to him personally and He would teach the founder "the Word as it had not been known since the first century" while Kiko reveals that he has had his "experiences … visions … ecstasy … and all that," having been chosen by God "from before the creation of the universe" to work with Carmen Hernandez.

      I don't usually watch TV so I'm glad I looked it up before searching the channels for "The Path." As it turns out, "The Path" is only on Hulu so I would have been searching in vain. I'm not sure that I want to start watching this series since I'm already experiencing the effects of the influence of the NCW Cult on the Archdiocese firsthand, but others might be interested.

      Thank you for your comment.

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    2. First-century Christianity was notorious for its many errors. Correcting them is what made the twelve Apostles famous...and got eleven of them martyred.

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  4. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)March 23, 2017 at 2:44 AM

    This is a great article by Crux! It is fantastic to read about the work that has begun in the Archdiocese of Agana to address universal adherence to the Catholic norms and the GIRM. I have always felt that addressing the divide in the local church from the bases of the norms and the GIRM transcends Church politics. Thank you to Abp. Byrnes for taking this approach and to Pope Francis for entrusting Aby. Byrnes with special administrative powers to effect pastoral changes. And to Abp. Hon for bringing the specifics of Guam’s situation to the attention of Pope Francis. While additional problems remain, changes outlined in the March 15th pastoral letter is a great start! The Holy Spirit is at work … and prayers and Sunday pickets continue.

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  5. The changes outlined in the recent pastoral letter are good signs but I see how Masses celebrated by NCW at consecrated altars can be problematic. Will participants change out the seating arrangements? Will they look kindly on those who merely want to join for Mass, or will it be an opportunity/license to welcome prospective members but now with the legitimate permission of the Ordinary? I say that liturgical practices that divert from the Instruction on the Roman Missal should not take place, period. Any Mass that ordinary parishioners might feel uncomfortable participating, such as being subjected to the all too-revealing testimonies in lieu of homilies, or unusually energetic clapping, dancing, singing and flowers around the Altar, or by illicit reception of the Holy Eucharist has no part in the established style of Catholic liturgy. This does not foster unity but, rather, more confusion and an opening to continued abuse. A total moratorium on NCW needs to be imposed, not by incremental steps that will eventually lead to its eventual dissolution anyway.

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    1. Agreed about a permanent moratorium on the NCW, but there will not be an "eventual dissolution" of it. That's wishful thinking.

      The wealthy global cult is large, indestructible and growing elsewhere. It will thrive on Guam again after the 12-month moratorium expires because illicit recruiting will not stop. Like the deadly Ebola virus, the NCW lives in its survivors forever, causing severe and disabling illnesses.

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    2. It is probable that the "pause" ordered by our Archbishop on NCW forming new communities will lead to a more restrictive "STOP" forming new communities, once Abp. Byrnes sees what they teach and practice.

      If the NCW masses on Saturday evening are to conform to the General Instructions of the Roman Missal (the "Liturgical Books"), I would say those masses are now open to the public, since we are ONE Church! For those of us who sometimes need to attend a Saturday evening mass, I suggest you attend an NCW mass now. Any deviation from what we are used to participating in a true mass, should be reported to the Archbishop. Easy enough to type up a letter and deliver it to the Chancery for the Archbishop. He needs to know so he can stop it or as Christ did to the money changers and vendors in the Temple at Jerusalem just before Passover (how serendipitous can this be!), Archbishop Byrnes will have to kick them out of the House of God--our One, Holy, and Apostolic Church!

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    3. Archbishop Byrnes made it quite clear: there is no such thing as NCW Mass as such anymore. If this cult insists on having an esoteric and closed ritual, it is not Catholic but a coven of pretenders. "What is good for the goose is good for the gander," so to speak. There is no such thing as NCW Mass, only a Catholic Mass. And, yes, if Mass is conducted at the parish church, anyone can participate. Non-conformity must be reported as you rightly said, 11:21 PM. A brilliant move indeed by Archbishop Byrnes.

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  6. All about numbers. Announced 4,000 pilgrims to sit at the feet of Kiko in Colorado from CA alone. What do do.

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    1. Anon 1:04 p.m., 4,000 NCW pilgrims "at the feet of Kiko" in Denver, Colorado are no surprise. The cult has serious global traction.

      There are 102 Redemptoris Mater Seminaries worldwide including one in Denver erected by Archbishop Chaput in
      1999 and another in Boston run by Cardinal O'Malley. Both of these devious prelates are Capuchins like Apuron.

      Chaput always follows the money. He's the patron saint of wealthy right-wing extremists like those in the elitist Napa Institute. He's also one of the bigoted NI's founders. Francis does not like him, and vice-versa. O'Malley's phony Friar Tuck persona appeals to the liberal masses and it gives him papabile face time galore. He and Francis are BFF's.

      If Bishop Byrnes closes and/or sells RMS, no big deal. The Archdiocese will be bankrupted by settlements paid to Apuron's rape victims, NCW recruiting will continue as usual in the region and there are 101 more heretic factories presbyter wanna-be's can choose from.

      According to the Denver Archdiocese, there are 37 men now in the NCW's fancy seminary there. Very conservative Archbishop Aquila gives Kiko rave reviews in official publications. His current dog and pony mega-show is running from Canada through the southern US and it will undoubtedly rake in tons of cash.

      In the NCW's grand scheme of things, the situation on tiny Guam is barely a blip on their radar. Exiled Apuron is powerless and Kiko will totally ignore Byrnes. Other bishops will welcome Kiko because of the megabucks his seminaries and brainwashed groupies can pay. How much did obscenely wealthy Carmen bequeath to the cult when she croaked last year?








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    2. Archbishop Chaput also founded a Redemptoris Mater Seminary in Philadelphia in 2013. He wants the despicable cult encouraged, deceitfully comparing it to reliable Catholic organizations like Opus Dei, Focolare and Communion & Liberation.


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    3. Yes, Carmen the coarse woman from very wealthy familia.

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    4. Chaput famous thought for the day The Neocatechumenalway Way will teach us us how to be Church. Clap, clap, clap.

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    5. Mary Lou Garcia-PeredaMarch 24, 2017 at 8:15 AM

      Anonymous at 5:18 AM, it may be, as you wrote, that "In the NCW's grand scheme of things, the situation on tiny Guam is barely a blip on their radar." But in light of problems that cult has caused in other countries as highlighted in the recent JungleWatch post Trouble, Trouble, Everywhere (http://www.junglewatch.info/2017/03/trouble-trouble-everywhere.html), the "situation" on our little island is like the tip of the iceberg. For years people on Guam complained about the divisions caused by the NCW, exacerbated by the fact that the Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron was a member himself. Thanks to the efforts of a handful of Church Militants who decided to act outside of their comfort zone, Guam now has an archbishop who has taken definitive action to halt the liturgical abuses and ensure that the NCW works within their statues. There's the potential for the bishops and lay people in other parts of the world to do the same.

      I pray that the Holy Spirit will move bishops in other areas to familiarize themselves with the 2008 NCW Statutes, following the lead of Archbishop Michael J. Byrnes and Bishop Athanasius Schneider before him. I also pray that the Holy Spirit will move the laity in those areas to take their roles as members of the Church Militant seriously and fight to preserve the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church from the cult known as the NeoCatechumenal Way.

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    6. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)March 24, 2017 at 9:15 AM

      To Anons 12:11 to 6:00, I take your comments to mean that you are simply providing JungleWatchers with information about the activities of the NCW and its various high ranking clergy supporters outside of Guam; and that you are not discouraging or trivializing the efforts underway in the Archdiocese of Agana to enforce the practice of the Church norms and those from the GIRM that are continually violated by the local NCW movement. While JungleWatchers don’t wish upon any diocese the tumult the NCW causes local Churches, one of the best moves the Archdiocese of Agana has done at this point to bring the local Church back to good health is its focus on addressing the existence of the NCW in the local Church. The Archdiocese of Agana has taken steps to confront the tumult associated with local NCW issues. It cannot, nor does it have the standing, nor the resources to police the NCW throughout the world. It is being effective by addressing the negative effects of the NCW’s presence on Guam. The focus remains on the NCW problems locally in order to effectively address the local desire of bringing the local Church back to good health. If the efforts in the Archdiocese of Agana positively spills over to NCW communities in other parts of the world, then that is great. But the focus of the work remains locally in order to produce effective results of peace and good health for the local Church. I’ve written in one of the comments from a couple of months ago about if each house keeps itself clean, then the whole neighborhood will be clean. Likewise, if each diocese keeps its local NCW community in check, then the Church worldwide will keep the NCW in check. Easier said than done, I know. There is the reality of corrupt bishops, which is the problem Guam is steadily working to put in its past.

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    7. Know your duplicitous enemies, Rose. They're extremely powerful and constantly working against the worldwide Faithful well beyond diocesan boundaries.

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    8. Know your duplicitous enemies, Rose. They're extremely powerful and constantly working against the worldwide Faithful well beyond diocesan boundaries.

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    9. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)March 25, 2017 at 2:38 AM

      Thank you, Anon 11:29. Yes, I know the NCW has supporters in the Church who are powerful. As written about to the Nth degree here in JungleWatch, many of those NCW powerful supporters come in the form of wolves in sheep’s clothing. Many communicate with their forked tongues. My point here is that, at present, the Archdiocese of Agana has taken a step to address its local troubling NCW situation. It remains to be seen if the stated goals of Abp. Byrnes’ March 15th letter --- (1) strides toward local church unity and (2) conformance to church norms and the GIRM --- will take effect. Time will tell. Kudos for that step. There are many contributors in JungleWatch who write about the power of the NCW because of its supporters in the Church who hold great power. On the one hand I read those comments and take them as information that I would otherwise not have known and thank the authors for sharing their knowledge and/or experience (whether direct or many degrees removed). They add to my insight about the NCW. On the other hand, those same comments may be read as a form discouraging statements that could lead one to think: “Why bother do to anything about the local NCW? It is powerful.” The problems in the Archdiocese of Agana are not going to change if the Faithful are discouraged by the power of the NCW. Duplicitous enemies, wolves in sheep’s clothing, powerful clergy, corrupt clergy --- yes, some of them are those who support the NCW. But the local Faithful should not be self-crippled knowing about the NCWs powerful supporters in and outside of the archdiocese.

      You also missed my other point, perhaps it’s because I didn’t explain myself well. My comments focus on the local church, the Archdiocese of Agana, the effects of the rotten fruits of the NCW within the diocese, and the recent step it has taken to rein in the tumult. Yes, the works of the worldwide NCW supporters continue, but the local Faithful is not addressing the NCW worldwide efforts. It's too huge of an undertaking. And frankly, if the local Church can’t rein in its own NCW troubles, why should it attempt to do it on a worldwide stage? The Archdiocese of Agana is moving forward in addressing its local NCW troubles. The local Faithful support actions to be taken, one small step at a time to reverse the rotten fruit effects of the local NCW, while we pray for success, and put our hope in the Lord for improvement. To do nothing is not a choice if the local Faithful care about its local Church. I praise the Archdiocese of Agana for taking that first step in reining in the local NCW activities and protecting the Church norms, and praise the Faithful for their continued outcry and pickets to right the wrongs, even while duplicitous enemies and wolves in sheep’s clothing may be roaming in and outside its diocese. These efforts are far from easy, but they do it.

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    10. Good points, Rose. We can't solve the world's problems. We can work toward solving our local problems and pray that it inspires others to do the same. Abp Byrne's actions might just be the first "domino" which triggers others to move in the same direction. We march on one step at a time.

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    11. Agree, Andrew. Guam may not be able to solve the world's problem, but it certainly looks like peaceful solution may be heading our way.

      Some 2 months ago (1/16/17) Anon 3:56 – commenting in Jungle Watch - admonished CCOG, LFM, Tim Rohr, Dave Sablan and company to take heed because their “beef” against the Neos is simply the way the Neos receive Communion, and predicted that when Archbishop Michael Byrnes comes back to Guam he will simply tell us all to: “Back off! Your opposition to the Neo practice has no basis!” Anon 3:56 ended his comment by admonishing us to: “repent and ask forgiveness from your brethren in the communities… because we are here to show you the true way to Jesus that is worth walking in.”

      Well, Archbishop Byrnes did return to Guam the latter part of January, announcing in a magazine interview that he comes here as “one of us”, that his first job in bringing peace and healing to the Church is to approach the situation with an open mind, not to make pre-conceived conclusions, to listen to both sides of the divide, and after making diligent discernment – and only then – to make decisions charitably, but firmly, and lead his sheep back to the Fold.

      As he took his diligent time discerning the right course of action, many initially (and mistakenly) took his dilatory action as just another delay tactic. But true to his word, AB Byrnes did make his decisions in due time via his Pastoral Letter of March 15. We take comfort in his pastoral letter, and see it as opening the door for "peace, harmony and unity" within our Catholic community.

      We pray that our Neo brothers and sisters will open their minds and hearts to the urgings of the Holy Spirit, heed the archbishop’s pastoral letter, comply with his admonition –and return to Holy Mother Church. And what a more fitting time to do so than during this holy Lenten season of metanoia and redemption, culminating in the renewed life which the Resurrection of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ promises, He who is the Way, the Truth, and the Light. (jrsa: 3/27/17)

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  7. I've heard NCW members drink milk and honey in the Eucharist once they have completed the all the steps. What the heck is that about? They think they are in the promised land as chosen people of God... does anyone know if this is true ?

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    1. If that is so, better for these NCW itinerants to forage in the Gobi or the sub-Sahara for manna. That might be a bit problematic because everyone has to have a piece first before they can collectively consume. What if the sun's rays melt them down before they each had a chance to partake? So, no, they'd rather infiltrate the Catholic Church structures, use facilities without paying, recruit the well-to-do for inheritance, manufacture premature presbyters from shady favelas, and force out the parish model than to build their own churches. Why raise funds when you can take over or usurp existing ones?

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  8. The truth will set us free

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  9. Bishop Byrnes might be shooting peas at a battleship. Pope Francis is a huge NCW fan and a personal friend of Carmen's super-rich family. He sent effusive condolences to them when she died last year.

    Kiko also managed to snake-charm the UK's ramrod conservative Catholic Herald. They write glowing articles about the evil cult. Inexplicably, it seems to be a hit with many prominent people and organizations that are considered paragons of orthodoxy.



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    1. Kiko uses the Catholic Church as his front. He knows how to dazzle people with Kaka. He goes after the rich and powerful who can add to the NCW syndicate coffers and expand their influence on a quid pro quo basis. His pawns are those with poor faith formation who are attracted to his twisted brand of theology.

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    2. You're only partially right 10:28 a.m.

      Why do so many highly educated elitists and hidebound conservatives fall for Kiko's rampant heresies, intentional liturgical abuses and endless financial rackets? Starting with the last 3 Popes!!

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    3. Spot on Anon @ 10:28 am.

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  10. Are presbyters going to obey arch bishop Byrnes instructions and conform to the NCW statute? If they don't obey it will be because they will have put obedience to Kiko (God?)first.
    Once Kiko is gone the holy rolling red Genarini clan will take on this role. God help us! At least the truth will become apparent if they are disobedient and NCW membership will have to ask themselves some serious questions!

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  11. Presbyters will not obey Abp. Byrnes or conform to legitimate NCW statutes. You have to rid Guam of the cult altogether.

    Byrnes has to start the process by closing RMS, returning it entirely to archdiocesan ownership and irrevocably excommunicating the non-Catholic NCW. Based on their blatant Eucharistic heresies, it's his duty as archbishop to dump them.

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  12. It's unlikely that Francis will support you against the NCW. He endorsed it as a vehicle for authentic spiritual renewal and publicly gave the heretics free rein.

    In March 2016, Francis blessed and sent out 50 NCW missionary families to evangelize five continents. He happily embraced Kiko at the special audience of 8,000 Neocats.

    If the Neocat evangelists show up on Guam during Byrnes' recruiting moratorium, they can't be stopped because they're official Papal delegates. Francis also said after Carmen died that he wants her spirit kept alive. He is a close friend of her wealthy family. A bad situation.

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