Sunday, March 23, 2014

WHY WE CARE

“I am convinced that the crisis in the Church that we are experiencing today is to a large extent due to the disintegration of the liturgy…” (Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Milestones, p. 147).

8 comments:

  1. Glad to be Back to Holy Mother ChurchMarch 24, 2014 at 9:36 AM

    So many problems with our Archdiocese. If we could refocus on the absolute beauty of the liturgy. We don't need hip music, we don't need clapping, we don't need dancing and entertainment. Our soul hungers for the Lord, yet we want to alter it's distribution to something we feel comfortable with. Too bad Pope Benedict XVI was unable to push for reform of the liturgy while he was our Holy Father. I am not a traditionalist/Latin mass attendee, but I do see the value of knowing why we are supposed to go to mass.
    And most of the issues Mr Rohr has raised in his blog are exactly in line with what the good Cardinal Ratzinger has said, liturgical adherence is so very important.
    Meanwhile, our Archbishop teaches his brothers and sisters in the NCW that going to this blog site is mortal sin, and even worse, that what they receive at their "Eucharist" is merely bread.
    I am so very happy that my parish distributes the actual body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ!
    Archbishop, I hereby formally demand that you address these liturgical issues raised by Mr Rohr and others so that we may celebrate a glorious and proper liturgy.
    If you truly believe it is sinful to comment on this blog, then perhaps a decree would be appropriate to guide us to the way of truth.

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    1. I think we can discredit the archbishop's actually saying that reading this blog is a mortal sin. That would be pretty outrageous. However, there is no doubt that neos are being told to stay away from this blog and probably threatened with other "pains". Everything else is well said.

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  2. Very concerned about this bread statement.

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  3. Okay, I found a few people who have been there. They say strange things. Basically, there are 3 differences at masses in the neo-catechumenary.
    1. Their masses are inordinately long, because they make public reflections (called echo) after the readings. The missalette is banned! The rule of thumb in these reflections are that the a. name of the Nazorean cannot be pronounced and b. you have tell everybody what you did during the preceding week. For example an old lady bragged that she acquired a goat and now she will drink goat-milk ;) every day. It is real folks, they talk publicly about all kinds of nonsense during the official mass!
    2. They sing too many unofficial songs, this also extends the mass time. Their songs are composed and worded exclusively by their Leader in Rome. Anyone who sings anything else is severely punished at once-a-month shouting matches they organize to let their steam out. These shouting matches are called conviviance, a French word that nobody knows any meaning of. The lyrics of these song sketch an alternative theology Catholicism. For example, the Lamb of God in these songs is not the Nazorean but the Virgin Mary.
    3. They go and round-kiss everyone in the room right before the offertory. They call this "peace". Just imagine an elderly grandpa going to a cute teenage girl whom he barely knows and demands two kisses. The girl has to comply. These practices take a long time during the service, that is why a mass at the neo-catechumenary is about 2 and a half to 3 hours long! No kidding.
    I also heard that Pope Benedict was extremely concerned about these practices. However, he had to approve because otherwise nobody would go to China on mission. Almost like a blackmail situation. But why should anyone go to China on mission? They have Falun Gong, they don’t need Christianity. Anyway, I can completely understand why Pope Benedict decided to retire before his due time.

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  4. Save the liturgy, save the world.

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    1. What difference does it make? According to an article and a youtube message on Diana's post there are various ways of celebrating the liturgy. The Orthodox Catholic, the Byzantine Catholic the Anglecan, etc. who have asked to return to the Roman Catholic Church still celebrate the liturgy/mass/ communion rite according to there belief. So what makes the NCW different? If they are taking certain practices from these religious group does that make them nonconforming to the rites of the Catholic Church?

      The woman knows how to prove that their practices are legitimate. There is no counterattack on this post.

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    2. Find your answer at: http://www.junglewatch.info/2014/05/heres-good-one.html

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  5. Interesting comment on liturgical abuse.

    Dear Diana @5:32,
    Anon @12:19 piqued my curiosity, though. Are non-neos welcomed to attend a Neo mass? And if one should prefer to receive communion on the tongue, would that be accommodated? 
    Thank you for your response.

    DianaMarch 11, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    Dear Anonymous at 8:07 am, 

    It cannot be accommodated because it would be a grave liturgical abuse in that the priest did not receive communion yet. The NCW receives Holy communion together with the priest. If you wish to attend the NCW Mass, you are always welcome, but you must accept our liturgy, which was approved by Rome. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

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