Monday, January 5, 2015



(As you can see, no non-neo priests were given time, not even Fr. Mike Crisostomo who is the president of the clergy association, except for Msgr. James and Fr. Eric (both of whom the visitors themselves probably asked to see because of Msgr. James' case and Fr. Eric as a representative of the Capuchins.)

JANUARY 4-10, 2015

Saturday, January 3, 2015:  
  • arrival 10:15 p.m. (UA 197). Greeting of three Guests @ Guam International Airport by Archbishop Anthony and brought to Discalced Carmelites Guesthouse, 153 Tamuning Villa, Tamuning, Guam 96931

Sunday, January 4, 2015: 

  • 7:30 a.m. Breakfast with Archbishop Anthony
  • 9:30 a.m. Pontifical Mass @ Dulce Nombre de Maria Cathedral-Basilica with Archbishop Savio as Principal Celebrant & Homilist & Greeting of people following Mass.
  • 12:00 pm. Lunch & Rest
  • 3:00-5:00 p.m. Quick tour of the island with Vicar General, Msgr. David C. Quitugua, JCD & Dr. David Atienza, Ph.D., and Mr. Joseph Terlaje, Driver of the Van
  • 6:30pm. Evening Prayer with Benediction & Dinner @ Redemptoris Mater Seminary, Yona & Pastoral Visit. Fr. Pablo Ponce Rodriguez, Rector
Monday, January 5, 2015: 

  • 7:30 a.m. Breakfast with Vicar General, Chancellor & Vice-Chancellor

[Archbishop Anthony asks to be excused @ 7:30 a.m. for the Official Inauguration Ceremonies of Governor & Lt. Governor @ 8:00 a.m. and Inauguration of 33rd Guam Legislators @ 11:00 a.m.

N.B. Private Meeting with Individuals or Small group up to 10 will be at Carmelites 3rd Floor.
Groups of 10 or more will be at St. Anthony Spiritual Center, next to St. Anthony Church, Tamuning]

  • 8:45 a.m. Private Meeting with Vicar General, Msgr. David C. Quitugua, JCD - NEO
  • 9:15 a.m. Private Meeting with Chancellor, Fr. Adrian Cristobal - NEO
  • 9:45 a.m. Private Meeting with Vice-Chancellor, Fr. Jose Alberto Salamanca - NEO
  • 10:15 a.m. Private Meeting with Finance Officer (Procurator), Dn. Dominic Kim
  • 11:15 a.m. Break
  • 11:30 a.m. Early Lunch and Rest
  • 1:00- 2:00 p.m. Private Meeting with Archbishop Anthony - NEO
  • 2:20 pm. Mr. John Quitugua will take Guests to for next appointment
  • 2:30-3:30 p.m. Meeting with Diocesan & Religious Priests @ St. Anthony Spiritual Center, Mr. John Quitugua, Driver                                              
  • 4:00-5:00 pm. Meeting with Women Religious @ St. Anthony Spiritual Center
  • 5:00 pm Mr. John Quitugua will drive Guests back to Guesthouse for a brief rest and leave @ 5:15 pm for next appointment
  • 6:00 pm Mass & Dinner with St. John Paul the Great Seminary, Malojlo & Pastoral Visit. Fr. Romy Convocar, Rector [The parishioners of San Isidro, where the seminary is at will attend the Mass]
Tuesday, January 6, 2015: 7:30 a.m. Breakfast

  • 9:00-11:00 a.m. Private Meeting with Archdiocesan Finance Council @ Carmelites 3rd Floor
  • 11:00 a.m. Fr. Michael Jucutan - NEO
  • 11:15 a.m. Break to prepare for Mass
  • 11:30 a.m. Convent Mass with Carmelite Nuns
  • 12:00 p.m. Lunch & Rest
  • 2:00 p.m. Private Meeting with Msgr. James Benavente
  • 2:30 p.m. Dn. Stephen Martinez, Former Sexual Abuse Responder
  • 3:00 p.m. Private Meeting with Dn. Larry Claros, Sexual Abuse Responder - NEO
  • 3.30pm  Break. Mr. John Quitugua will drive Guests for next appointment           
  • 4:00 p.m. Visit Bl. Diego Catholic Theological Institute for Oceania Institute, Yona and presentation with Professors. Mr. John Quitugua will drive Guests back to Guesthouse for
  • 6:00 p.m. Dinner & Rest
Wednesday, January 7. 2015: 
  • 7:30 a.m. Breakfast
  • 8:50 a.m. Mr. John Quitugua will drive Guests for next appointment
  • 9:00-10:00 a.m. Private Meeting with Permanent Deacons @ St. Anthony Spiritual Center
  • 10:00 a.m. Mr. John Quitugua will drive Guests back to next appointment
  • 10:10-10:40 a.m. Mother Dawn OCD
  • 10:50-11:20 a.m. Cathedral-Basilica Pastoral Team @ Carmelites 3rd Floor
  • 11:20 a.m. Break to prepare for Mass
  • 11:30 a.m. Convent Mass with Carmelite Nuns
  • 12:00 p.m. LUNCH & REST

[Private Meeting in 15 minute intervals with individuals who sign up on first come first serve basis]

  • 2:00 p.m. Mr. John Quitugua 
  • 2:15 p.m. Fr. Eric Forbes, OFM Cap. 
  • 2:30 p.m. Fr. Julus Akinyemi - NEO
  • 2:45 p.m. Jonathan Bordallo 
  • 3:00 p.m. Fr. Vincenzo Acampora - NEO
  • 3:15 P.M. Greg Perez 
  • 3:30 p.m. Mari Flor Herrero
  • 3:45 p.m. Roland & Melanie San Agustin - NEO
  • 4:00 p.m. Dr. Ricardo & Mary Ann Eusebio - NEO
  • 4:15 p.m. Fr. Pius Sammut, OCD, with Sem. Mateusz Ratajczak - NEO
  • 4:30 p.m. Ms. Pat Cottman (NCW) - NEO
  • 4:45 p.m. Amber Uncangco 
  • 5:00 p.m. Anthony Uncangco 
  • 6:00 p.m. Dinner & Rest

Thursday, January 8, 2015   

  • 7:30 a.m. Breakfast
  • 9:00 a.m. Dr. Jose Q. Cruz 
  • 9:15 a.m. Asuncion Guerrero
  • 9:30 a.m. Annie R. Perez 
  • 9:45 a.m. Fr. Harold Colorado Prieto - NEO
  • 10:00 a.m. Fr. Edwin Bushu - NEOISN'T HE SUPPOSED TO BE IN AFRICA? 
  • 10:15 a.m. Fr. Antonino Caminiti - NEO
  • 10:30 a.m. Sr. Francine Perez, SSND,
  • 10:45 a.m. Genevieve L.G. Garrett 
  • 11:00 a.m. Fr. Krzsztof Szafarski - NEO
  • 11:15 a.m. Break to prepare for Mass
  • 11:30 a.m. Convent Mass with Carmelite Nuns
  • 12:00 p.m. Lunch & Rest
  • 2:00 p.m. Jesse Alig 
  • 2:15 p.m. Ben Diaz 
  • 2:30 p.m. Juan Bautista c/o John        
  • 2:45 p.m. Mariquita Koki
  • 3:15 p.m. Sr. Joseph Ann Quinene, SSND,
  • 3:30 p.m. Jon Jr. Calvo 
  • 3:45 p.m. Mariles Benavente 
  • 4:00-5:00 p.m. Former Archdiocesan Finance Council
  • 5:00 p.m. Holly Leon Guerrero - NEOAKA DIANA
  • 6:00 p.m. Diner & Rest

Friday, January 9, 2015    
  • 7:30 a.m. Breakfast                                            
  • 9:00 a.m. Lucille Freeman 
  • 9:15 a.m. Richelle Uncangco 
  • 9:30 a.m. Fr. Mel Camina - WHO?
  • 9:45 a.m. Joe-Jacque Terlaje - NEO

[N.B. 10-11 a.m. appointments will be @ the Carmelites Chapel because the individuals are handicapped & cannot climb the circular stairway)                                 

  • 10:00 a.m. Rosita Perez 
  • 10:15 a.m. Dn. Frank & Maria Tenorio
  • 10:30 a.m. Ray & Priscilla Torres 
  • 10:45 a.m. Benavente Family 
  • 11:00 a.m. Mary Benavente 
  • 11:15 a.m. Break to prepare for Mass
  • 11:30 a.m. Convent Mass with Carmelite Nuns                                           
  • 12:00 p.m. Lunch & Rest
  • 1:50 pm. Mr. John Quitugua will drive Guests to next appointment
  • 2:00-2:55 p.m. Diocesan & Religious Priests @ St. Anthony Spiritual Center.
  • 2:55 p.m. Mr. John Quitugua will drive Guests back to Carmelite Monastery for next appointment   
  • 3:00 p.m. Heather Uncangco 
  • 3:15 p.m. Carolyne Zeiber 
  • 3:30 p.m. Marilyn Borja 
  • 3:45 p.m. Tony Diaz 
  • 4:00 p.m. Rachel Ayuyu 
  • 4:15 p.m. May Llanes 
  • 4:30-5:00 p.m. Fr. Edivaldo da Silva Olveira - NEO
  • 6:00 p.m. Dinner & Rest

Saturday, January 10, 2015: 
  • 7:30 a.m. Breakfast
  • 8:00-10:00 a.m. Evaluation/Summation of Meetings

[10:30 a.m. Archbishop Martin Krebs leaves for airport check-in UA 196 12:40 pm. Departure. Mr. John Quitugua will take him to airport]

  • 10:00-11:00 a.m. Final Private Meeting with Archbishop Anthony
  • 11:00 a.m. Private Time
  • 12:00 p.m. LUNCH & REST
  • 4:30 p.m. Fiesta Mass & Fiesta Dinner @ Blessed Diego Luis De San Vitores Tumon, Archbishop Anthony as Principal Celebrant & Homilist. Mr. John Quitugua will take Guests to Fiesta Mass
  • Sunday, January 11, 2015: 4:00 a.m. Depart to Airport for Check-in for 6:55 a.m. Departure (UA 928 Mr. John Quitugua will take Guests to airport. Archbishop Anthony will also be there to see them off).


  1. I am aware of several of the lay persons who are Neo who are not labeled as such. I labeled only the ones who are well known due to their positions within the NCW or because of they are outspoken.

  2. There are people on this list who are not Neo but were asked to speak positively about the AAA and the Neo movement. I heard they were given appointments before it was even published in the Umatuna.

  3. Sabotage by the enemy but we will prevail because our God is an Awesome God! Thank you Lord Jesus for all that you've done for the people of our island. God is Good! Amen.

  4. This is so sad. Mainly because the chancery thinks we are fools, and perhaps hold the same sentiment for our distinguished visitors.

    Just this list alone raises huge red flags.

  5. John Quitugua, AAA's pare is the one driving them around AND he has a private meeting too?!

    1. He and his family doesn't even live here. They live in San Francisco.

    2. Genevieve Leon Guerrero Garrett (Tita Jr. Cookies and I Love Guam cookies) non neo - but close friend with Pius and AAA. She got an appointment before it was even announced.

    3. Wow! 'small island'.

  6. Ray and Priscilla Torres, NEOS YIGO, Heather Unchnacgo NEO Chalan Pago,, Mariless Benavente NEO

    1. Neo or not Neo, I know Mariles Benavente to be a person of integrity.

      I suppose it is important to know who have been confirmed (and thus the "labeling") to meet with Archbishop Martin Krebs; to take heed if there was a fair process for ensuring equal time and representation from among the members of the Catholic churches on Guam who wish an audience with him.

      We are ONE community and the current turmoil and heartache and feelings of betrayal we are experiencing is because of Archbishop Anthony Apuron. I believe he is a failure as a spiritual leader and has brought disgrace to the Archdiocese. I pray that he be removed/replaced.

      But then again, what do I know . . . I'm neither a Neo nor a consistent parishioner with any one Catholic church/community. Nevertheless, I do believe that the harm that Archbishop Apuron has inflicted on persons of integrity and true spiritual, Catholic leadership like Monsignor James Benavente, is SINFUL.

      God Bless Our People and Our Church Leaders and Parishioners,

      Bobbie SN Benavente

    2. She is a long time neo. No ifs ands or buts. More than likely she will defend the Archbishop simply because of that. Even good people are swayed to the neo.

  7. The following are all NEOS, the Uncangos, Mari Flor Herrero, Llanes, Ziebr, most from Chalan Pago.

    1. I believe Carolyn Zieber is a former Neo.

  8. Pius attending meeting with seminarian?

  9. Lucille Freeman, part of the Uncangos clan...NEO

  10. Carolyne Zieber is a Roman Catholic. Yes, she experienced NCW until 2008.

  11. Interesting Bushu returns.

    1. Thought he was neo-fying lion hunters on the dark continent.

    2. Aside from Santiago who I know is in Japan, are the other three really at their new place of mission? I smell a RAT.

    3. Bushu wants to nego hs retirement that's what happens when you are ordained 70.

    4. Fr. Art was much for China , Fabio is in Roma, so much for China, Bushu the Billy Goat back from Africa...the mission is going great. Came back for Fiestas here with meeelions of dollars of FOOD


  12. Many of the listed not even from Guam.

  13. Becky Terlaje TovesJanuary 5, 2015 at 9:47 AM

    Not only do I think this is so sad, but it's quite apparent that this schedule is an attempt to keep the "regular Catholics" away from the delegation.

    Can we request the delegates to have one evening to provide an open forum so that those of us who are non-Neo can speak to them? There are so many issues regarding the NCW and the Archbishop that need to be brought forth. Although my brother and his wife are part of the NCW, I have been vocal about my reservations about the WAY and the MANY injustices of the archbishop. I, too, would like the opportunity to speak with members of the delegation.

    Delegates, this is a plea to you to provide some time for the rest of us who have been crying out for YEARS for some kind of help.

    With hope in my heart,

    Becky Terlaje Toves

  14. This is obviously a NEO represented meeting. This schedule is outright orchestrated and biased to NEOs. If the NCW has been identified as the catalyst for the Takeover of the chancery and division in our Church, why is it that NCW presbyters who do not even care for the Parish, do not represent the majority of the faithful in the parishes, Neo individuals who are not even from Guam who represent a small precentage of the faithful, appear to have slots and are well represented, while guam faithful who are greatly affected by the effects of this NCW movement, and are the majority of the populace are alloted few slots? How is there a balanced representation of views? God Help Us all!

  15. Just caught my eye! Why are there so many Uncangos on the list. Could DIANA be of that clan?

    1. These Uncangos are from Chalan Pago and are all NEO - very close to Edivaldo.

  16. rachel ayuyu is a neo or at least she was last time I talked to her.

  17. Mary Lou Garcia-PeredaJanuary 5, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    A few observations regarding The Schedule:

    • These "15 minute" appointments should have had "transition time" built in — Appointment #1, 0900-0915; Appointment #2, 0916-0931, etc. — to ensure that each individual would have his/her 15 Minutes with the Visitors and not be shortchanged;
    • One would think that, out of consideration for his position as President of the Association of Diocesan Clergy of the Archdiocese of Agana, Fr. Mike Crisostomo should have been able to meet with the Apostolic Visitors, out of "Professional Courtesy," if for no other reason;
    • If the Apostolic Visitors requested an appointment with Msgr. James Benavente who has was unjustly removed from his position, one would think that Fr. Paul Gofigan would also deserve an appointment;
    • It appears that members of the NCW were given preferential treatment, with a few Non-NCW appointments included to avoid criticism; and finally
    • Diocesan and Religious Priests — you should CARPOOL if you plan to attend the Monday, 5 January meeting at St. Anthony Spiritual Center (see my question below).

    Now a few questions:
    • Were the Private Meetings really scheduled on a ”First Come, First Served” basis?
    • Why is the meeting with the Diocesan and Religious Priests scheduled at the St. Anthony Spiritual Center at a time (2:30-3:30) when hundreds of parents and school children will be clogging the parking lot at the end of the school day?
    • Will this meeting also include the NCW “presbyters” who will surely do their best to monopolize the conversation as they did in July with Archbishop Krebs?
    • Why is only ONE HOUR being given to meet with all the Diocesan and Religious Priests when both Deacon Kim and AAA (naturally) are being allotted one hour for their private meetings?
    • According to The Schedule, on Thursday, 8 January 4-5PM, the Former Archdiocesan Finance Council has an appointment — is that the group that was fired en masse (with the notable exception of the Vicar General) after the members opposed AAA's plan to give away RMS?
    • Why are the NCW Non-residents of Guam — Sammut and Cottman — given preference over the Non-NCW LOCAL clergy in the scheduling of these meetings?
    • There are a number of individuals who attend the 11:30 Convent Masses with the Carmelites on a fairly regular basis; will people still be able to attend the Masses while the Visitors are also in attendance? Or will admittance to Mass be restricted to NCWs?

    I continue to hope and pray that this Apostolic Visitation is being made with the sincere intention of beginning the healing process for the Archdiocese of Agana. However, after seeing this Schedule, my hope has dimmed.

    Mary, Queen of the Clergy, pray for our priests — especially for our Beleaguered Non-NCW Priests!

    1. Regulars who attend Carmelite and anyone can go there. Small, but no one is turned away. The visitors will all be there. That's a temptation. Feel sorry for the sisters, though. Regulars and Neos come to Mass there I don't think they are partial.

  18. One question - why is the tall woman from New Jersey on the list? She's NOT from GUAM! She is one of those that controls Apuron. Deceit! Deceit! Deceit!

  19. juan bautista c/o john, rachel ayuyu and may llanes are all neo from chalan pago. wow, talk about tipping the scales to your favor.

  20. Positive energy up friends! God wants us to trust that he sees all. Let's continue to pray.

    Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the Lord, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.

    Psalm 33:13 The Lord looks from heaven; He sees all the sons of men.

    Perhaps the neo members are being psychologically tested in their meetings. Jokes aside, to me the schedule has investigation all over it. We have to believe that our papal visitors can see right through people trying to hoodwink them. God sent them to us from Rome and we have to believe they only want what is best, just, and holy for our church. God always makes good from bad. There may be few that have miniscule minutes with our visitors, but there ARE heavy hitters on the list, too. Monsignor James Benavente and Greg Perez will be given an opportunity to speak for our church. I'm praying they'll knock this out of the park. Reminds me of the story of David and Goliath in the bible.

    My prayerful mama likes to say, "God is good all the time, all the time God is good".

    1. AMEN! This is how I look at it as well. With all those Neo's on schedule, the visitors from the Vatican should be able to see some of those trademark NCW behavioral patterns. Let us all pray through Jesus and the intercession of the Holy Mother and all the holy saints that the visitors will see with clarity.

  21. Mateusz Ratajczak is a seminarian from the Archdiocese of Denver! Why is he here? Part of the Calvary! Way to go Pius and Triple A bring them in for all over the world!

    1. No, Ratajczak took over as one of the three main catechists for Guam and Saipan. He filled the slot that was formerly held by seminarian Michele Pedroni. Ratajczak will be here in that capacity for a year or two. The other two catechists are Sammut and Cottman.

    2. And just why was Ratajczak standing around smoking buts, doing head counts and and otherwise spying on prayer walkers? We saw him. Snitching I suppose.

    3. Cottman the Tall woman grows talller with each fib she tells.

  22. Where did you get your information as to the break down of this schedule? It is good, but some would like privacy. As this can cause a great distraction or if some of timmy followers will stalk the visitors.

    1. You mean like Apuron's spies are stalking the visitors?

    2. ho, ho, did you find that out??? the whold damn thing is creepy.

    3. Don't worry, no one is interested in following you, 1:59.

    4. Mary Lou Garcia-PeredaJanuary 6, 2015 at 3:30 PM

      Anonymous (January 5, 2015 at 1:59 PM), your "concern" that "timmy followers will stalk the visitors" only demonstrates YOUR tendency to stalk others. And, as it turns out, AAA has his people keeping the Apostolic Visitors under very close scrutiny.

    5. More heat for the fire. How can the people in the archdiocese heal if one side wants to burn and expose the diocese (junglewatch). I believe that this blog is the cause of the problem in the diocese. Its not only to get at the bishop or the leadership but what do you want or expect from all of this?

    6. Umm, I expect it to end. But you’re right. I am the cause of the problem, and purposely so.

    7. Anon 1/6/15 @ 6:157pm. I will tell you what I want...I want a Shepherd who tends to ALL HIS FLOCK AND NOT JUST A FEW. I want a Shepherd who is ABLE TO SPEAK UP FOR HIMSELF. I want a Shepherd who is HONEST AND OPEN. Lastly, I want a Shepherd who can LEAD. Archbishop Apuron has done NOTHING TO BRING UNITY TO THE CHURCH. WHY? HIS ATTORNEY TOLD HIM TO REMAIN SILENT. I do not want to hear ADRIAN CRISTOBAL' S LITTLE SPEECHES ANYMORE!

  23. At least being from Denver he is getting some education. Good for him.

    1. Maybe his specialty will be officiating high mass.

  24. I don't see Jucutan on the list. Was shaking my head during and after his homily last night. He told the cogregation that king Herod ordered his soldiers to go house to house and kill all male children three years of age and younger. He then said that as part of the new evangelization we can expect people going door to door. What the....?? I don't see the connection other than the door to door part. Later on he said Jesus will become our bread. Whoa, I have always believed that at mass the bread becomes the body of Christ during consecration and we are receiving Christ when we go to communion. God help us!

    1. HE IS on the list. Probably want to find out how to get the heck out of here?

  25. Surprising I do not see Jessica BLAS' name on the list! Oops she is at the Carmel in NJ again, probably doing her 3 discernment! Sorry, my bad, she went to the Carmel to pour news to the local girls!! No good intentions there Jessica!

    1. Can someone please help me to understand why we have a community of young women in NJ? Could they not have joined the Notre Dame or Mercy nuns or even the Carmelite nuns on Guam?

    2. Uhhmm, Jessica. There is not such thing as a third discernment. Pour news to locals there? Not good. Fragile situation there.

  26. This visit is a farce. 90% of the people who the Visitators will meet with are Neo. This, in spite of the fact that the Neos make up a very small percentage of Catholics on Guam. Surely, the Visitators must have known that AAA would be able to dictate who meets with the Visitators.

  27. For the dimmed perspectives on here please stay hopeful. Let's just go to the peaceful prayer vigil on friday at 2pm. If our voices can't be heard our presence will surely speak volumes. If you work that day swap your lunch time, this is so important. And at least we'll know and God willl see we truly took part in trying to save our church.

    1. Where will the prayer vigil be held?

    2. There are 3 prayer events that I know of:

      Wed, Jan 7, 4:30pm, meet across Tamuning Church, prayer and walk to Carmelite monastery in Tamuning. Contact Dwayne Santos: 787-9558 or
      Fri, Jan 9, 2pm. St. Anthony Spiritual Center in Tamuning. Rosary. Contact: Marilen Artero:
      Fri, Jan 9, 4:30pm at Carmelite Monastery in Tamuning. Contact Becky Toves or Lou Bamba

      Aim is to publicly pray and demonstrate for a resolution to the problems in our archdiocese.

      Neither CCOG or JungleWatch is involved with these events other than to help publicize them.

  28. To our brothers and sisters who have scheduled meetings, I send you this message;

    Ephesians 6:10-18 "Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For OUR struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

    And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people."

    We should all remember this in the days to come, becasue He has not forsaken us!

    Luke 8:17 "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."

    Let's pray for those who have scheduled meetings that the Holy Spirit will give them the Wisdom needed to encourage those who are listening to hear and heal our church.

    Lord, have mercy on us!

  29. Fr. Mel Camina = Fr. Melchor Camina, Parochial Vicar of St. Anthony & St Victor Tamuning

  30. Are all parishioners from Chalan Pago neo?

  31. Read the schedule of appointments again.

    Dear visitors,

    Why is Tim Rohr not on this schedule? He is equipped to speak for those of us devoted non neo Catholics afraid to speak up.