Tuesday, May 27, 2014

A SAD DAY FOR GUAM

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Hello Tim:
The entire mission of the NCW is to bring people to Jesus. This is a worthy and noble cause, and one that all the baptized are called to carry out. However, what the NCW fail to realize is that though we are one body we are many parts. They have a certain way, I have a certain way, and you have a certain way. All of these are necessary for the salvation of the world. They merely fail to recognize all the other ways that people are drawn to Christ.

After many years of being carefully spoon-fed that the Neo way is the only way, even good people begin to believe the heretical teachings of the NCW.

Last night was the annual gala banquet which is the premier fund raiser of the Seminary (but they forget to mention the AAA). A good person who was in my community was dutifully there at the cost of $175 to support the NCW and the seminary. In her zeal to try and bring me back in the fold she played for me some recordings she made during their dinner. What I heard was a great reminder of why I am so thankful that I had the strength and faith to pull out of the NCW before it was too late.

A man I know quite well, Deacon Harold Colorado was the Emcee. Harold has been on Guam for a long time now, and he was a wonderful seminarian. Good humor, beautiful voice, very personable. But this image was destroyed today when my friend played the part where he was giving a history of the seminary, and where he said that in 1999 (referencing when the Archbishop opened the RMS seminary) Jesus came to Guam. WOW!

I have been out for a while now but I really thought that Harold would be a good priest not just for the NCW but for the people of Guam. Now my hopes are dashed. If the formators can take a person with such great potential as Harold, and completely have him deny the presence of Jesus until the NCW brought him to Guam, then there is no longer any reason for hope for any priest coming out of the Yona factory. I honestly felt like crying. Another treasure lost to kiko.

I asked my friend to replay that part right after he said this, but she must have realized that he had revealed something she should not have. She quickly said she had to go, and she left. But I definitely heard what I heard, and I am shocked. For sure Archbishop heard this, and the Vicar General if he was there. The rector and vice rector would have heard this as well. I wonder if they realized what Deacon Harold had just taught... without the Way Christ cannot be present among His people. WOW! Everytime I think about this I feel great sorrow. 35 seminarians lost to this type of formation. How terribly sad.

Feeling so troubled by this, I called a former community brother. He couldn't remember the exact words, but he basically acknowledged the same line ... without the NCW Guam was a dry island without a heart for Christ. How disgusting, because before joining the NCW he was a totally lapsed Catholic and knew nothing about the Church, but now he could pass such a judgement? Another lost person lifted by heretical teaching because it feels so good and controlled. He too tried to get me back in during our short conversation a short while ago. I asked if anyone from the Church tried to clarify Deacon Harold's statement and he was surprised...why would they need to clarify. No, Deacon Harold said what he said, and there was no correction.

Our local Church, that first received the word of Christ 350 years ago from real priests, the Jesuit missionaries and later the Capuchins, has been maligned and slammed by the clergy of Guam, and no one defended the Church. Not the Archbishop, not the Vicar General, not the formators or rectors.

Instead of a celebration, yesterday turned out to be a very sad day for Guam, darkened by the false teachings so vehemently defended by its NCW members. God, send the Holy Spirit to guide us to you and to the truth always.

29 comments:

  1. Harold, at the very least, is over confident. God help us all.

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  2. I am in the NCW but i did not attend the Gala. One reason, that is too expensive, and more importantly what i've noticed is that all these so called public events at the seminary or for the seminary are veiled attempts at NCW recruitment and pandering.

    The last time an event at the seminary was non pandering or "very lightly" pandering in my observation was 2008 where i saw family members who weren't in the NCW who were happy to be there and mingling.

    This past St. Patricks Day Mass at the seminary was really telling on the unity of our island's catholics in that the Archdiocese has successfully shut out it's main congregation and can only rally support from those in the NCW. I witnessed this.

    Later, during Palm Sunday the PDN did a photo spread of the Palm procession around the Cathedral. No big crowd of regular church goers, it looks like the communities of Agana following the Archbishop around the block.

    The Archbishop should take that speaker aside If he had really said Jesus came to Guam in 1999. I can say that i'm not altogether surprised that something like that would be said though.

    What i hear from these seminarians, especially with Spanish as their first language doing their speeches is that, "The church comes to you now." Give me a break.

    -CU-

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    1. Jesus certainly came to us by way of the martyrs St. Pedro Calungsod and Blessed Diego San Vitores. No? Or the countless Jesuits, Augustinian Recollects, and Capuchins since then. No? Or through the selfless example of our own people, including Fr. Jesus Baza Duenas. No?

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    2. Apparently not...according the "them".

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  3. I have held back in writing on this blog for quite some time but now it's time I started putting in my "two cents" again.

    The past Sunday, the homily of a RMS priest took me by surprise. The priest mentioned that regardless of receiving the Sacraments of Initiation (Baptism and Confirmation) one is still not fully initiated into the Catholic Church unless we truly feel the presence of the Holy Spirit and begin to evangelize. It is through this that we become in full communion with the Catholic Church.

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    1. Is it no true? One can recieve the sacraments but not be in unity with God and his church

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    2. 10:27. You don't have to evangelize at all. Just being a witness, by you being "Christ like" to your fellow brother (or sister) is often enough.

      11:55. Is true, but where are you going with the question?

      -CU-

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  4. To Glad to be back in Holy Mother Church,
    well this is just par for the course. I heard him say something else on the radio too while promoting this "gala". He was dissing his parents that they didn't teach him the faith. totally against the fourth commandment I thought. But, I guess kiko's commandment's supercede the Lord's commandments when it comes to those in the NCW...

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    1. Yes, it appears to be standard practice for Neos, especially seminarians and priests, to beat up on their parents. Think Fabio.

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  5. Months ago on this page I remember similar comments to what deacon Harold said. Guam was described as a people who had faith like dry bones. The people of Guam had little faith until the NCW arrived and gave water to the dry bones. Deacon Harold's statements have often been stated by other seminarians priests. The problem is it is being taught in the seminary along with other things. The reality is the NCW believe that Jesus became present in the local church when they arrived.

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    1. dry bones -- that would be the half empty church at the 930 and 1130 sunday morning masses at cathedral since the catholic truly faithful of guam have been enlightened via this blog about the Archbishop and his allegiance to some painter guy who believes we are judas if we don't funnel our cash to him or his seminaries. want to support guam priests? send your money to the st. fidelis friary who have guam boys in formation, who want to serve JESUS.

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  6. Archbishop Apuron should correct Deacon Harold and explain to him that such language use causes disunity and is not even true. To allow this to pass by without correction is unfair to the diocesan priests who have served the archdiocese for many years before the NCW arrived.
    Problem is, like other matters, the archbishop will do nothing, and this method is exactly why the archdioces is in the decay in which it stands today.

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    1. The PROBLEM is that Harold is just repeating what is really taught by Kiko and the Archbishop doesn't just believe it, he promotes it and asks us to pay for it.

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  7. Anonymous PriestMay 27, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    Dear Glad to be back:

    I am very happy that God has kept you in His fold. I wanted to just clarify a few things your entry points out. First and most important, you say in your posting "Our local Church, that first received the word of Christ 350 years ago from real priests, the Jesuit missionaries and later the Capuchins, has been maligned and slammed by the clergy of Guam, and no one defended the Church."

    While it is indeed sad that Deacon Harold spoke in the way he did, please rest assured this is not an opinion held by all the clergy. I am not a neo-priest, although I have presided at a few of their masses when they were short of priests. I see a vibrant celebration, but like you, I do worry about some of the catechesis they receive. I have seen this attitude among the laity in their echoing at masses and in comments to others, that Jesus only came with the NCW, but this is the first time I have heard a deacon or priest express this thinking.

    As wrong as it is, please understand that this is not Church teaching. Look to the Catechism of the Catholic Church and you will see that Jesus has been present to us since the dawn of time, united with His Father from the beginning. Jesus is present to us in the Eucharist, not in a mysterious way, but physically joined with us.

    With open hearts, Jesus can present Himself to us in many different ways and forms. I ask that you continue to pray for young men with a calling, that they may enter their formation with true and open hearts, and that the teachings they receive will give them all the tools to bring all people to God's kingdom.

    You say that Christ was brought to us by "real priests" like the Jesuit and Capuchin priests. Just to clarify, all the ordained are real priests, not just religious orders, but diocesan as well. It is indeed sad that there is such a huge rift between the "Neo priests" and their diocesan brothers and the religious priests. However, please understand that the erroneous statement by one does not negate all the good work done by the whole. A few years back we had a clergy convocation to try and resolve these differences in approach to our ministry. While we are all committed to a common goal of bringing people to Christ, there are obviously different ways to accomplish this.

    From my perspective, and from that of many other priests here on Guam and even Saipan, continuing dialogue with the Archbishop and the formators in Yona is necessary in order to resolve the problem of public perception. If in my younger years I said what Deacon Harold said, St. Patrick's would have quickly and publicly corrected that statement. Let's hope this becomes a learning lesson for our young brothers who approach their ministry with a little too much zeal. The more senior priests are happy to help the younger priests, if they are open to listening.

    Let us pray that the difficulties our Ordinary faces are resolved through direct and frank discussions by all interested parties.

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    1. I think GLAD TO BE BACK is making the same point, that the Deacon is speaking, thinking, teaching, and learning OUTSIDE true Church teaching. Also, his "real priests" does not refer to a difference between religious and diocesan, but between Neo priests and everybody else, since we now know that they believe and are taught something very different, and may in fact have a different view of the Real Presence. That would make them NOT REAL PRIESTS. While we can pray for our Ordinary, the sex abuse scandal has shown us that bishops like politicians only respond to negative publicity. Not all bishops, but apparently most.

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  8. I seem to recall that back in December all deacons were told that they were no longer allowed to wear the white collar. If that is a picture of the now famous Deacon Harold why is he wearing a white collar. Isn't this just another example of the Neo double standard? Some deacons can wear the collar, while others cannot. I thought the deacons were clergy, so why can't they all wear the collar? Help me understand!

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    1. i dont think you know.how the seminary works.

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  9. I have tried to back the seminary because my family has always supported our priests. But this is an outrage! While I should wait to hear verification from the Archdiocese, I have now come to believe they will never speak openly and frankly again. Therefore, since I have already made several installments on my pledge to the AAA which cannot be taken back, I am hereby stopping all future installments. It sickens me that this is the attitude these men are being taught at our seminary, and I will no longer support this. How can we get Aaron and Junee to a real seminary? That is where we need to focus, and also on all the fine young men who want to become Capuchins, Jesuits, etc.

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  10. Is Deacon Harold the one in the picture posted? I would call him the "wandering eyes". No focus on the celebration of the mass when he helps. His eyes wanders and he turns his head toward every direction and he is not even the main celebrant, just the helper.

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  11. If you get offended by a little statement made at the fund raiser, what will you do when we come out with the whole truth? Please, do not listen to me, I am just repeating what Kiko told me, as obviously I am incapable of doing anything else. How much better it is, for example, to mindlessly regurgitate CCC as final and only truth, without proper insight or understanding of the context of Catholic dogmatic history, right Tim?
    The truth is that Jesus is coming in many different forms to any community, in epiphany and prayer, in the Pope's visit and establishing a seminary, in the Sacraments and in the mass, in Resurrection and in Pentecost. So what is the point of offense? Nobody talked here exclusively. Now of course, 350 years ago the Jesuits arrived to Guam. Good point! But I miss the presence of the same Jesuits from Guam at our time. Where are they now, when the reign of a Jesuit Pope became reality?
    Here is the truth about being alive in your faith: a Catholic community shows signs of life when it reaches out and evangelizes the needy and the unbeliever. The NCW has a built-in feature of evangelizing, manifested among other things in the ongoing Great Missions between Easter and Pentecost. Just like in a family, the offspring is a sign of vitality, but lack of children is a sign of voluntary or involuntary barrenness.
    Without the NCW the % of Catholic population of Guam would be shrinking, because increasingly more people choose other churches for their spiritual need. Guam had over 90% Catholics a decade ago, now it is 85%. Only the NCW can reverse this trend. Now, my Catholic sisters and brothers, please, put your hand over your chest and admit honestly that without the NCW you could not do much about the trends of secularization and the decline of Catholic culture. So you should be happy for the NCW. Cheers!

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    1. So you're saying Archbishop Apuron was a failure? Many would agree.

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    2. "Only the NCW can reverse this trend."

      Good grief. That pretty much spells out the hidden belief that the Way is the only way.

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    3. Mentally disturbed is as mentally disturbed does. If this (Zoltan) is the so-called fruit that the NCW produces, God help them.

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    4. Janet B - MangilaoMay 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

      To Anon on May 27 at 1:17PM - while I did say I would be more respectful to the Archbishop, I promised no such protection for you. You are obviously an idiot, so I pity you.
      Priceless statement #1: "If you get offended by a little statement made at the fund raiser, what will you do when we come out with the whole truth?" I have learned long ago that most of what spews forth from the lips of the neo is merely dung/crap/garbage. No offense taken here by me on what Harold said. We thank him for showing us the bigotry we should expect from him if he ever makes it as a priest. Of course, he will make it, as no neo is ever turned away, no matter how poorly prepared they are. I will make sure to avoid any mass harold is involved in.

      And back to idiot Anon at 1:17 - "what will you do when we come out with the whole truth?" As IF you knew what the truth is! The Catholic Church teaches truth, while you spew lies, heresy and division. Good luck to you when you try explaining your version of the truth is superior to the Church's version. Be glad we both have the same merciful and loving God.

      Priceless statement #2: "The truth is that Jesus is coming in many different forms to any community, in epiphany and prayer, in the Pope's visit and establishing a seminary, in the Sacraments and in the mass, in Resurrection and in Pentecost. So what is the point of offense? Nobody talked here exclusively." We see that the neo view Jesus in a very different way. Like a good neo seminarian, the neo view Jesus as an itinerant. Coming here, then leaving. Going there for a while then leaving. Going to Africa for a while then leaving. This is the neo vision. But as our anonymous priest friend points out, Jesus has been with us since the beginning of time. And since the word of Christ was brought to us 342 years ago, he has continuously been with us in a more special way. Nothing changed in 1999 with the seminary. Jesus did not come to us at that time, he had always been with us. I will say this, in 1999 the seminary did seem like a gift to me, too. But now I see it was no ordinary gift, but a trojan horse.

      to be continued...

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    5. Janet B - MangilaoMay 27, 2014 at 4:11 PM

      continued comment on Anon Idiot of 1:17PM -

      Priceless statement #3: "But I miss the presence of the same Jesuits from Guam at our time. Where are they now, when the reign of a Jesuit Pope became reality?" You obviously know little about our Church. Fr Tom McGrath at the Cathedral is a Jesuit. They still have a very strong and important presence in our region. Since the establishment of your precious Kiko-chumenary in 1999 you have ordained one local man. In that same time span, the Jesuits have ordained seven men from Micronesia. Now that is what I call fruit. And guess what, no one hates the Jesuits, they are well loved. On the otherhand, every time you idiots speak out, more and more people are learning to hate and despise what you are.

      And the Capuchins...they have many local men in formation as well. And, like the Jesuits, everybody seems to love the Capuchin priests. But more and more people are learning to despise you kikos. Seems obvious to me the reason vocations have dried up since the middle 1990s is that Guam is no longer a friendly environment for local boys if they are not in the "Way". Aaron and Junee are only the most recent examples of this. There have been many other vocations lost because of the negative influence of kikos on island. And, our Archbishop is to blame for this situation.

      Precious statement #4: "a Catholic community shows signs of life when it reaches out and evangelizes the needy and the unbeliever." Evangelization is not the only sign of life. The Church must also proclaim the Paschal mystery, catechize, sanctify, unite man with God, and aid in social development, to name a few. The NCW had a good concept in evangelization, but then it got carried away with its own self-esteem. It is now evangelization by my way or the highway. Well, we will soon see that this way is not sustainable and it will die away in due course.

      Precious statement #5: "Guam had over 90% Catholics a decade ago, now it is 85%." Pls state where you get this info from...your catechist maybe? 10 years ago we were at 85% Catholic. 20 years ago we were at 85% Catholic. Today we are at 85% Catholic. Look at the Guam census, and the Catholic stats on the Official Catholic Directory and you will learn that we have always been at 85%. So where are the wonderful fruits that the kikos rave about?

      If there is any good news it is that once harold is ordain a missionary priest, there is a good possibility that he will be shipped off elsewhere to ruin the minds of other people. Let us hope this happens sooner than later, or that the kiko movement implodes upon itself before long.

      Thank you Anon Idiot on May 27 at 1:17PM for reminding us why we should be so very careful with this cult that has infected our island!

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    6. Wow, it is really stupid even idiot, not an educated person would make such blunder with the number. It is mentally contradiction! LOL.

      85% is very high, higher than in any other country of the world. We don't need NCW in Guam to be world champions (!!) in the % of those Catholics who are faithful to God and to the Church. LOL!

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    7. In my opinion, the NCW is the greatest internal threat to the Catholic Faith in modern times. Its disproportionate reach, heterodox theology and fanatical personality worship, constitute an assault on the Sensus Fidei. Be-very-ware!

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  12. At 11:55 am. How can I receive the sacrament of initiation and not be in unity with God and his Church? As a practicing catholic are you insinuating that I am not in full communion useless become initiated in the practices of the WAY?

    RMS priest should prepare their homilies. The wrong words come out. Either they are confused,or plain just don't know what the hell they are talking about!

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  13. so the death of Blessed Diego and San Pedro were in vain, and that Jesus only came at the end of the 20th Century..... if this is the case why do we pray the prayer for Blessed Diego every day at the end of Mass? In the prayer it does state that Blessed Diego did bring the message of the Gospel to the people of the Marianas, and is'nt Jesus part of the message? Did'nt Blessed Diego share the sacraments with our people? Remember... Christ said, "Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in their midst."

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