By Tim Rohr
There is no denying the tumult which eventually follows in the wake of the introduction of the Neocatechumenal Way into a region. What is happening on Guam is just another chapter, and a short one at that, compared to the long string of clashes that have plagued dioceses and parishes around the world.
There is no denying the tumult which eventually follows in the wake of the introduction of the Neocatechumenal Way into a region. What is happening on Guam is just another chapter, and a short one at that, compared to the long string of clashes that have plagued dioceses and parishes around the world.
Neocatechumenals will always point to their fruits to validate their Way. But they are the same fruits that almost any other religion will claim. In fact, Guam's non-Catholic churches are filled with former Catholics who will speak of having found God, of coming to know the Bible for the first time, and of how their marriages were saved, how their families were bettered, how they were able to overcome addictions, and how they would be dead now if not for their new faith, etc.
So the NCW is not unique in that regard. But if the NCW is producing all this good, then why the long and growing tumult, the never ending clashes with authority, the social implosion, and eventually the threats which you have seen on this blog. The host of an Italian blog which has also chosen to challenge the NCW wrote to me not long ago expressing amazement that I would identify myself in this debate. She explained that in Italy they literally fear for their lives, and that there have been physical altercations - which is something I am now beginning to understand.
What other group within our Church wages such a vicious war and why? Why is it that they simply do not say "let's agree to disagree"and move on? Why the subterfuge? The secretive missions to take opponents down personally? The smear campaigns? The pseudonyms? The constant stream of insults to people and their culture - the clamor of which has reached such a pitch that the pope himself felt called to address this publicly? The answer would be NONE.
So why the Neocatechumenal Way? The easy answers would be power, money, greed. And there is plenty of that. There always is. But the father of lies is never that obvious. In fact, if one understands the classic nature of spiritual combat, the false bait of the "more obvious" is SOP for the Evil One. For what the Evil One is after is what he has always been after, and it's not just the destruction of souls. It is the destruction of Christ.
Because Jesus Christ is God Himself, Satan can never reach or harm him. So he attacks the only thing he can: His Real Presence, or more specifically, our belief in it.
It has been that way from the moment Christ drew a blood red line in the sand in John 6 and said "Unless you eat my body and drink my blood..." Here, scripture records the first major division in the followers of Jesus. And it is instructive, I think, that it is precisely at 666 (John 6:66) that scripture says: "and they walked with him no more." And Satan smiled.
So why the tumult? Why the separation from the parish, the rejection of the sanctuary, the repudiation of liturgical norms, the aggressive disdain for others (as catalogued by several bishops), and the self-authenticating parallel hierarchy? These are not just unusual practices. These are manifestations of a fundamental difference of belief. And NOWHERE is that fundamental difference made more manifest than in the obstinate refusal to receive communion like the rest of us.
We have already catalogued how often and how sternly the Church has asked, ordered, directed, and even begged the neocatechumens to conform in this regard. And they have not. They do not. And they will not.
Following Kevin Camacho's letter in the PDN the other day, I posted one question: "Do you sit to consume the consecrated bread or don't you?"
The long string of insults and hostile comments which followed is instructive. What is wrong with a simple yes or no? It is the same question I have personally asked many neocatechumens, including the Archbishop, and was met either with silence or a lecture. See it for yourself played out on the PDN's website.
Jose Martinez, after engaging several diversionary comments and standard insults, also began to ask the same question. Of course THEY know why we are asking. And WE know why they don't want to answer. But Jose kept on it and finally an answer was produced:
i am not Kevin, but i will answer Tim Rohr's no brainer question w/ a question first. What does it matter if you are sitting or standing consuming the "Body and Blood of Christ"? Really ? The Pope allows us to sit and if you do not believe this, go to Rome and ask him yourself ! BTW, most importantly you need to be in a "state of grace" aka, in communion with your brothers and sisters,reconciliation, no blog hatred or anger, ill will especially to the youth lol. Goodness Tim !
Ms. Torres' combative reply is an answer in itself. And of course, no neo-answer is complete without a personal judgement of the state of my soul. But let us deal with the meat of the matter: 1) the neos in fact sit to consume, 2) it doesn't matter that they do, and 3) they believe the pope let's them.
1. The question is why do they still sit to consume when, since 2005, the Holy See has instructed them not to.
2. If it didn't matter, then why did the Holy See itself affirm several times the need for the NCW to conform its communion rite to the liturgical books.
3. Ms. Torres only believes that the pope lets them because that's what she's been told.
First, let's talk about why this matters. It matters because the Church teaches that the "law of prayer is the law of belief" (lex orandi lex credendi). How we pray is not only an expression of what we believe, it is also a formator of what we believe IN.
The first Christians were Jews. It would have been natural for them to assume the celebration of the Eucharist to be no different than the celebration of the Passover or the Sabbath ritual. The fact that many if not most did not understand the bread and wine to be the actual and real body and blood of their Savior, is seen very early in the Church's history, as evidenced in Paul's rebuke of the Corinthians in 1 Cor 11.
As a good parent, the Church, through time, instructed her children by first modifying their behavior and then backing it with catechesis. And when catechesis might be lacking, there was still the lesson by example: behavior. The fact that the Church eventually came to kneel and receive on the tongue is an example of how our Church responds to the deepening of doctrine.
Kneeling before a monarch is normal etiquette for the reception of earthly kings. How much more so for the King of Kings! For if it is incumbent upon us, as Paul says, that "At the name of Jesus every knee shall bend", how much more so at the moment we receive him - Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity - into our very selves?
Knowing the fundamental truth of "lex orandi lex credendi", Paul VI was well aware of the corruption of belief in the Real Presence that would follow the indult to receive in the hand:
When therefore a small number of episcopal conferences and some individual bishops asked that the practice of placing the consecrated hosts in the people's hands be permitted in their territories, the Holy Father decided that all the bishops of the Latin Church should be asked if they thought it opportune to introduce this rite. A change in a matter of such moment, based on a most ancient and venerable tradition, does not merely affect discipline. It carries certain dangers with it which may arise from the new manner of administering holy communion: the danger of a loss of reverence for the august sacrament of the altar, of profanation, of adulterating the true doctrine. MEMORIALE DOMINI
Read the whole document and see how this pope was torn severely at having been pressed to make this decision. Nevertheless, he permitted it to the "small number of episcopal conferences". The small number quickly became a great number, and with it, as predicted, has come the "loss of reverence for the august sacrament of the altar, of profanation, of adulterating the true doctrine."
So, in answer to Ms. Torres, THIS is why it matters. And while the Church has permitted us to stand, it has NEVER permitted us to sit. So let us pose the same question to them: Why does it matter that they INSIST on sitting? And INSIST is to put it lightly. Sitting to receive has been at the center of this controversy from the beginning. While Kiko did not formally reject any of the other modifications imposed upon his Way both in its liturgical practice and its catechesis, he FORMALLY rejected this one, and so did Archbishop Apuron, and publicly and vehemently so.
Why?
Why, Ms. Torres (and all the others)? Why, if it does not matter (your words), why then do you not simply stand or kneel like the rest of us? Why is it SO IMPORTANT to SIT to consume the consecrated bread, the Body of Christ? Why? Why is this the epicenter of contention?
Answer:
Because Kiko too understands lex orandi lex credendi and he has a very different "credendi". His "credendi" is that his eucharist is NOT a participation in the One Sacrifice of Christ, which is why the Church formally calls our Eucharist the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Rather, Kiko's eucharist is a "feast". This is why his bread has to be different. This is why they have to sit to consume. To kneel or even to stand negates his theology, his credendi. His bread is NOT Jesus Christ himself. Christ is simply present in the community because in Kiko's credendi it is the community that makes Christ present.
This is why it MATTERS. At the root of the thing is a fundamental difference in theology and thus a different church. Lex orandi lex credendi. The law of prayer is the law of belief. Thus if you pray different then you believe different. The Mass is the highest form of prayer, and the very summit of that highest form of prayer is Holy Communion. Thus to receive differently is to believe differently. And the Neocatechumenal Way RECEIVES DIFFERENTLY.
Let's speak briefly to the the third point: that the pope knows, and in their mind, permits it. Parents often know that their children have strayed before they find the opportune moment to address them on it, particularly older children. The church is no different. The salvation of each and every soul is not just the pope's concern, but his total responsibility. How and when to address error with the least damage is a constant challenge for the church in every age. It is not uncommon to hear of Rome disciplining a wayward theologian only after many years of patient waiting or attempting to reconcile the problem quietly.
But beyond that, the rationale that "we are getting away with it", or that the pope knows and doesn't stop us. Goodness! What does that say about spiritual maturity? In fact, what does that say about the leadership of the Neocatechumenal Way?
We cannot blame the likes of Ms. Torres for this. She, like so many others, is only repeating what she has heard her leaders tell her. We can understand her allegiance to those leaders, particularly if she has found personal consolation amongst them. And we can also understand that she and others simply may not know why "it matters" because she was never instructed properly as a Catholic to begin with, which, sadly, is too often the case.
But the fact is IT DOES MATTER. Rome has called on you and called on you, and perhaps, like the father of the prodigal son, even wept for you. Rome does not negate your charism. Rome does not impugn your good. Rome simply asks that you return to the One Table, and, in communion with the rest of the Church, receive communion with the rest of the Church.
Will you?
Had an eye opening conversation with some one who left the Catholic Church here. He told me he is deeply happy to be a CHRISTIAN and to have a RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD which isn't part of the Catholic Church. Heard the same from some Neo friends.
ReplyDeleteHonestly I am shocked at the disrespect they will show toward the Holy Communion versus their respect (idolizations) of Kiko. Yes sitting down is all about Kiko he wants to diminish Christ in the Eucharist to substantiate his claim that it is his community instead. Tragic
ReplyDeleteI'd give you a standing ovation for this Tim. God bless you and may He continue to give you the courage to make us understand why it matters.
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DeleteExactly right. Everyone should [X] Like! this.
Dear NCW Walker,
ReplyDeleteYou may call this another attack and it's understandable. By the passion in your testimony, you want to defend your journey. But this is not an attack on you, it's a defense for you, a defense for Catholicism. Written for you, it's a "we're on your side" affirmation and an explanation of why we Catholics on Earth are the Church Militant. We have been diligent because you matter.
If I didn't keep asking the questions I did on PDN, then the focus would have been lost. I needed to keep to the same line of inquiry so that you kept the same line of inquiry in mind as well. I did not engage on other matter, I always brought it back to the Eucharist. I always brought it back because WE always refer back to it as Catholics. I have been diligent because the Eucharist matters.
Look beyond your personal objections to the author and see that it is the Holy Spirit speaking to you. It's not an effort to abolish you as a Catholic, it's an exercise of a spiritual work of mercy. It is to return you to the Catholic liturgy of the Eucharist. The sacrament received from Christ and through the liturgy of the Catholic Church. If not for our liturgy, what else are we? If not for the Eucharist, what else is there to defend?
In Christ,
Jose Martinez
Jesus came to serve and not to be served.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 7:45am --
DeleteThis is curious. In what context do you provide this statement? If you are intending to quote Mark 10:45, I am interested in knowing how you relate this passage to the blog entry.
Otherwise, please explain.
yep, and He serves you by providing His Real presence in the Eucharistic bread, His body, blood soul and divinity. Will you not bend your knee for that? Will you not bow down when the minister says "THE BODY OF CHRIST"?
DeleteP.S. Tim, maybe you can follow up with articles of anathema concerning the handling of the SACRED SPECIES.
No amount of rationalizing will change the minds of the NCW. The simplest solution to stop this division in the Catholic church is for them to cut its ties and be on their own since it appears there's no turning back for them. This I believe is when peace will return.
ReplyDeleteI am confident that those walking in the way desire to remain in the Church. Unfortunately, their leaders and the founder are bringing them elsewhere. It is apparent that they are conflicted.
DeleteJust heard from my mother, who is a neo (a good sincere one), that Santa Rita parishioners are upset and questioning whereabouts of the statue of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Anyone have any updates on this issue?
DeleteOne of the SR parish council members mentioned that the statue is under wraps in the back of the church, that the damage caused by the vandalism seemed to be minor and saw no reason why she couldn't be returned to her niche. If the archbishop really disapproved the pastor's request to put her back and suggested she instead be put in the rectory, that only leads me to believe that it's because the archbishop does not want to remove the neo painting which is currently in that spot. But if the Santa Rita people are okay with that, then I guess it's okay. If not, then only THEY can get something going to put her back where she belongs.
Delete4:57 I suspect it's being "Neofied" like what happened to the statue of Santa Rosa in Agat. They're giving it some time for people to forget how the original looks like. The "restored" statue of Our Lady of Guadalupe will reflect Kiko's preferred version.
DeleteYou did it Tim, congrats. Diana has succumbed to yelling! She responds in all CAPS. We have managed to get under their skins. Here is what I posted to Diana's blog. "I can see Tim and the JW folks got your panties in a bunch. All CAPS writing is a clear sign that you have lost your mind and this style is tantamount to "yelling". You fail to see the problem time and time again Diana. I don't blame you, your were programmed that way. Unfortunately the members of the NCW can't handle the truth that is why you resort to this blog as propaganda. Sadly no one is listening or cares cause the Catholic faithful are in the right. Change is coming! "
ReplyDeleteBreaking News: defacto NCW spokesperson Diana declares "BIG PROBLEMS ARE CLOUDING OUR FUTURE, LIKE THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA, WHICH WOULD BE A TRAGEDY FOR EVERY FAMILY".
ReplyDeleteWhy, would it interfere with the family business?
DeleteAgain, KUDOS TO YOU TIM, is neither needed nor productive to be said. It will only fuel the already imbedded notion of the Neos that we are just blind sheep being led by a blind "shepherd". You are not our our "shepherd" Tim; you carry no title to claim that role. And we are not your sheep, being quietly led to the slaughter. You are, however, our spokesperson, because what you say/write (especially in this present matter of "Why It Matters", regarding the manner of receiving Holy Communion), you speak well for the rest of us - at least those of us who truly understand and believe in the "lex orandi, lex credendi" principle of the Church. For those who do not understand, their non-belief is quite understandable. And I, too, do not fault our brothers and sisters in the NCW for their staunch support and defense of their position in this matter. It is what they have been taught, and that teaching has now become their belief. I have no problem in their not understanding. I just pray that one of these days, the blinds will be lifted (especially those of the Archbishop), and like the blind man in the Gospel, the "Lord, that I might see" prayer may be answered. In the meantime, we can only sincerely pray for them, since no amount of criticism, argumentation,accusation, debate or whatever appears to be effective in bringing about peace.
ReplyDeleteI do want to say, though, that your response to the questions of Debbie, is one of the finest description of the principle of "lex orandi, lex credendi". I wish that we hear this more often at homilies that "the law of prayer is the law of belief".
Do keep up the fine work!
Forgive me for a copy and paste, but I had to revisit the meaning of Gnostics as the NCW reminds me so much of what I recalled from college: Gnostics---
ReplyDeleteA common characteristic of some of these groups was the teaching that the realization of Gnosis (esoteric or intuitive knowledge) is the way to salvation of the soul from the material world. They saw the material world as created through an intermediary being (the demiurge) rather than directly by God. In most of the systems, this demiurge was seen as imperfect, in others even as evil.
[My note: does the NCW see our Church as a mere demiurge? And us practitioners as evil? ]
although i'm a latin-rite Catholic, i'm also blessed to be able to attend the byzantine Catholic divine liturgy in a small church from time to time. wow, talk about lex orandi lex credendi!
ReplyDeletein the divine liturgy of st john chrysostom, the emphasis (though not the doctrine) is different from the emphasis in the roman rite. therefore, the gestures and postures are different. for example, they stand for much of the time, and they receive the Body and Blood of Christ from a small spoon while standing (or, if you're tall, while bending down a bit :) . but the difference between the byzantine liturgy and the roman liturgy is a completely different case. it's a legitimate difference in Christian worship. it's true Catholicity, whereas the ncw practices are—for lack of a better word—contrived.
i think it would greatly benefit neocats, and all Catholics in general, to study seriously the liturgy, particularly our own roman rite. i recommend joseph ratzinger's book "the spirit of the liturgy." go and attend a Mass in the extraordinary form, and see the roots of the ordinary form and how it can help to elevate the ordinary form. and, if there's an opportunity, also attend an eastern-rite liturgy. all this will help you open your mind and heart to what liturgy is and should be.
Thank you for your words Rey. In preparing for Mass, I try to recite the Byzantine Prayer Before Communion. It is beautiful in bringing me to where I should be before receiving Christ.
DeleteI only discovered this at the beginning of this year and wish to share it.
O Lord, I believe and profess that You are truly Christ, the Son of the living God, Who came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the first. Accept me as a partaker of Your mystical supper, O Son of God, for I will not reveal Your mystery to Your enemies, nor will I give you a kiss as did Judas, but like the thief I confess to You:
Remember me, O Lord, when You shall come into Your kingdom.
Remember me, O Master, when You shall come into Your kingdom.
Remember me, O Holy One, when You shall come into Your kingdom.
May the partaking of Your Holy mysteries, O Lord, be not for my judgment or condemnation, but for the healing of my soul and body. O Lord, I also believe and profess that this, which I am about to receive, is truly Your most precious body and Your life-giving blood, which, I pray, make me worthy to receive for the remission of all my sins and for life everlasting. Amen.
O God, be merciful to me a sinner.
O God, cleanse me of my sins and have mercy on me.
O Lord, forgive me for I have sinned without number.
yes, and as i recall, the prayer before communion and the priest's sermon are just about the only times in the byzantine divine liturgy when people aren't chanting. :)
DeleteThe source of the difference between the Roman Rite and any of the other rites is that they developed simultaneously in separate and distant geographical locations. The reason why these rites are Catholic as opposed to, say, Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox, is because they accept the magisterium of the Church and, most importantly for purposes of this conversation, their liturgy fully reflects a belief in Catholic theology, including the miracle and mystery of the paschal sacrifice. This is key, and something the Neos miss when they cite to these other rites in support of their alternative liturgy: the Syro-Malabar, Chaldean, Maronite, and Byzantine Rites , etc. are Catholic because their liturgies reflect Catholic theology, NOT in spite of a variance from Catholic theology.
DeleteToday the Archbishop once again celebrated one of his many ordination anniversaries! In his homily, he spoke about how the Vatican told him to continue doing whatever he is doing! After this statement, he proceeded to talk about himself!
ReplyDeleteI guess the Archbishop is like Kiko, with "the Vatican says", but nothing ever written in stone!
Don't know what's the matter with me I keep yawning and yawning. Have to get a good nights sleep to go to Archbishop's nine thirty. Thanks 3:44 for letting me know the Vatiican has communicated with His Foolishness and encouraged him.
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DeleteMaybe the Arch didn't finish the Pope's entire sentence. Probably went more like "keep doing whatever you're doing if you want to be relieved of your duties".
I think AAA was referring to the time he whispered something into the Pope's ear when they greeted each other in Korea and the Pope replied, "Ya, whatever" followed by a eyeroll.
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DeleteVatican has not informed Archbishop to continue what he is doing.
There was a slide show at the breakfast at archbishop's residence after his 5:45 a.m. anniversary mass of his visit to Korea. There were 4 or 5 slides showing Pope Francis talking with the archbishop with great warmth on his face.
DeleteHe was told to keep doing whatever he was doing and now the collection at the Cathedral went down almost $2000.00. So keep it up Archbishop, before you know it, your collection will drop another $2000.00. Keep up the GOOD WORK!!!!!!
DeleteThere was some debate here about the lex orandi lex credendi statement (because of some subtle implications between "celebrating" and "believing"). We prefer to express it as: "your liturgies show your faith". Going away from liturgical books means express intent to go away from true faith.
ReplyDeleteMany people in the Church think that liturgy is a mere "ceremonial" structure, alterable by anyone who thinks to have a "good idea" to "enhance" it. But the NCW is actually based on a modified liturgy. At least up to early 2006, the kikos communities even suppressed Gloria, Orate Fratres, Credo and other parts before reaching the corresponding "step" / scrutiny. No brother of the Way had the littlest objection to variations of their continually customizable liturgy.
Liturgical books and documents are "prescriptive". Actions and words are either required, or facultative. Even if the books contain lots of explicit "do not", everything that is not listed is not allowed. Liturgy is not a "ceremonial" because it was not introduced by men: it was Our Lord to require it in the Last Supper.
In 1980 John Paul II wrote:
...The priest as minister, as celebrant, as the one who presides over the eucharistic assembly of the faithful ... cannot consider himself a "proprietor" who can make free use of the liturgical text and of the sacred rite as if it were his own property, in such a way as to stamp it with his own arbitrary personal style.
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Every priest who offers the holy Sacrifice should recall that during this Sacrifice it is not only he with his community that is praying but the whole Church, which is thus expressing in this sacrament her spiritual unity, among other ways by the use of the approved liturgical text. To call this position "mere insistence on uniformity" would only show ignorance of the objective requirements of authentic unity, and would be a symptom of harmful individualism.
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...I would like to ask forgiveness - in my own name and in the name of all of you, venerable and dear brothers in the episcopate - for everything which, for whatever reason, through whatever human weakness, impatience or negligence, and also through the at times partial, one-sided and erroneous application of the directives of the Second Vatican Council, may have caused scandal and disturbance concerning the interpretation of the doctrine and the veneration due to this great sacrament. And I pray the Lord Jesus that in the future we may avoid in our manner of dealing with this sacred mystery anything which could weaken or disorient in any way the sense of reverence and love that exists in our faithful people.
Thank you Tripudio! The effort to transmit the wisdom of our Church's liturgy to those who see it as only a set of rules is a daunting task. You provided more nourishment for those who hunger for Truth.
DeleteGrazie di cuore.
I agree. I'm not sure that lex orandi lex credendi exactly describes the problem with the Neos. Instead, I think it is better said that the Neo liturgy reflects a fundamentally different theology from that of the Catholic Church. To Tim's credit, he also raises this point; and has done so for a long time.
DeleteThe Neo liturgy also reflects a certain Protestantism, which you allude to. (By the way, when I use the word Protestant (or any variant thereof) I do not mean it as a pejorative. Some of the most earnest and devout Christians that I know are Protestant.) Protestants tend to believe that God did not ordain a particular church or liturgy or the Eucharistic rite; and they tend to believe in a fundamental rupture between the manner of worship as practiced by the ancient Jews (including Jesus himself) and the manner of worship practiced by Christians following their instantiation.
Thus, while the ancient Jewish worship involved a particular liturgy which required the temple, altar, priest, holy of holies, showbread and sacrifice as an ablation to God, modern Protestants have eschewed almost all of this (which they believe as mere ceremony and thus superfluous or worse) in exchange for communal learning and spiritual edification led by a presbyter in a non-sacred space, such as a worship center or a gymnasium. Neos similarly ask "Why does it matter that we do not follow the liturgy as prescribed by the Church?" This question would be well-taken by a Protestant. Moreover, Protestants would see a kindred theology in the Neos' efforts to eschew churches, altars, the sacerdotal role of priests, and the sacrifice of the Mass, and their attempts to reduce priests to presbyters and grant priestly authority to lay people.
But most importantly, as noted above, the Protestants would appreciate the Neos' efforts in changing the liturgy. This is the first and most important step toward Protestantism. Once you adopt the view that the liturgy is not ordained by God via the Church (and is thus subject to change by means outside of the Church), then it is just a matter of time before you arrive at full fledged Protestantism, including (sadly) the thousands of self-styled churches which come and go with the passing of time and in accordance with the fads and fashions of the time and the temperament and whimsy of men.
So why does the NCW continue to say they're Catholic?
Delete11:52 Thank you. Very POWERFUL insight you have proposed here that makes absolute sense. After the founders/leaders have gone on, people can easily forget the real purpose of what they are doing and the reason for it. It is easy to see how change happens. A passionate, creative person gets a vision about something they believe in. They are convinced how to make this better for everyone. They perceive more needs could be met. So things that do not make sense, seem unnecessary, could be more efficient or they just don't like a way of doing something. They find a better easier way. The original way just does not seen important anymore, because the essence is still being practiced. But as has been pointed out numerous times on this blog the original idea and action IS THE MEANING. IT IS WHAT EVERYTHING ELSE EVOLVES AROUND. Again thank you.
DeleteI'm assume it's only because they need the Catholic church's resources....buildings, utilities, money. The NCW needs to pass around more "trash bags" at their events so they can build their own church.
Delete@ 10:53 AM . . . because anyone can say or claim anything. It's the qualifiers that certify their assertion. Congruence with liturgy and theology are the qualifiers in this case.
Delete@10:53: Because in the Catholic Church the Neos can use their influence within the hierarchy of the Church to massively leverage their efforts in proselytizing and conversion. Take, for instance, the situation on Guam. Here the Neos are given access to our Masses and large captive congregations to proselytize to; and they have the full and enthusiastic support of the local ordinary and, thus, the apparent support of the Church itself. In this way, the Neos use the Church structure itself to effect conversions on a scale that they could never hope to achieve if they were just one of the hundred new Protestant churches which emerge each year. Of course, their converts are drawn principally from the Catholic fold. @1:58: Yes, the money and resources which they get from the Church aid their effort a lot as well. @ 1:43: I'm glad my views resonated with you. Thanks for the kind words.
DeleteI saw on youtube the Mass where the archbishop called a woman to the ambo to tell the congregation how the way saved her marriage, etc. I find it odd to do this before people who are attending Mass. My impression is that neos evangelize disaffected Catholics. Will disaffected Catholics be found as a captive audience in a Mass at the Basilica? Not likely.
DeleteEileen Benavente-Blas
«...scandal and disturbance concerning the interpretation of the doctrine and the veneration due to this great sacrament...»
ReplyDeleteNeocatechumenal snack time:
* [photo 1] - NCW: happy drinking dude
* [photo 2] - "First Holy Communion" in the NCW
* [photo 3] - another "First Holy Communion" in the NCW
* [photo 4] - Redemptoris Mater Seminary: sitting for the Lord
* [photo 5] - no space for kneeling, no space for standing up...
* [photo 6] - Carmen Hernandez, the NCW co-founder, giving us an example: sitting, staring at the Holy Eucharist in her hands, waiting for the Eat Signal.
You kneel before God and Jesus. Plain and simple. Anything less is a disgrace.
ReplyDeleteSo the neos call us "bookworm/textbook" Catholics because of how we wave our books to point out where they do not conform. They say all they need is the spirit and don't need to read any regulations. Hmmmmm.....
ReplyDeleteBy their own logic, they don't need the Catholic Church with all its regulations. However, they WANT the Catholic Church to follow the WAY. They don't want to be just a part of the Catholic Church, they WANT to take over.
DeleteI don't buy into the Neo's sales pitch of "saving souls." THEY WANT OUR SOULS. Sounds familiar?
Hey, they're already running the show from seminary to cemetery. Heaven help us.
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