Wednesday, October 1, 2014

FOR THOSE WHO CARE

For those who care about the proper priestly formation of our local vocations to the real diocesan priesthood, let us proceed with the following course of action:

1. Those who are charged with the formation of the JP2 seminary, approach the Archbishop and ask him if he will sponsor seminarians who wish to attend the Pacific Regional Seminary of St. Peter Chanel. I said "sponsor" not "pay for"....since he says we don't have any money to send seminarians off island (though we apparently have plenty of money to fly his neos in from all over the world...and then to fly them back all over the world later.)

2. If he says no, then end of story. And let it be a very public "no", and never mind trying to set up the JP2 seminary. His real intention of producing NOTHING other than neo presbyters will be revealed. If he says yes, then let us establish a foundation to fund their education. We know there will be plenty of money because instead of supporting the neo seminary with galas and appeals, we will simply divert the money to this fund. 

Non-neo clergy, it's your move. 

25 comments:

  1. Tim this is a very brilliant and common sense idea. Establish a non-profit to fund the education of local vocations whose itinerancy is for the lung that breathes life for the church on and in Guam. Forget about diverting funds (as the neos do). This approach will be the truest and most direct way of promoting vocations like Archbishop Flores did. What a sad legacy Flores left behind...that is now AASA.

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  2. Non-neo clergy,

    sadly the example below is the mindset that you are facing. I was struck by the superiority complex of this comment and dare i say it is racist against anything or anyone Non-ncw.

    This is the fruit that Archbishop and Fr. Adrian talk highly about. We are years away from any healing in this diocese.

    AnonymousJune 12, 2014 at 2:07 AM

    Not our mission to go to places like south Philippines. Our mission is to evangelize Catholics who are Luke warm and need salting to give them life. Guam is full of dry bones my role is to give the bones salted water to bring life to a dead community. Guam is full of dry bones, parishes are dead, non neo priests dead, our role is to bring life to the community."

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    1. What this commmenter failed to acknowledge is full of dry bones, it happened under apuron's watch. He has spent most of his time in office building his empire of things while neglecting the affairs of his soul and the souls of everyone in this archdioces. I believe this was by design to ripen the fruit for harvesting by the NCW. But he miscalculated and tried to reap too soon. There are still a good number of true catholics on this island who would not be lead to the slaughter.

      How sad. Now that our defenses are up against this hostile group, they stand no chance and every move they make is carefully watched as if in perpetual vigil. Apuron's legacy will be a blemish in the history of our island's faith. Maybe Rome could use his tenure as an exemplar for future bishop's on how NOT to behave.

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    2. On a side note, I wonder if Fr. Adrian's boyfriend from Maina was invited to attend his celebration. Just very curious!

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  3. Looking at the picture, is that a Bible above the tabernacle? If it is, isn't it strange?

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    1. Click on the link in the caption

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  4. Our Society teaches us that to be successful, we must stand alone. But in reality, loneliness is the greatest fear of each and everyone of us.
    In isolation, we cannot be fully human. Our experiences confirm this. Because we are social beings, community is essential to our human life. We, therefore, inevitably form into small groups - some temporary and some long lived. Loneliness reminds me of one log left on a fire, slowly burning out, its light and heat slowly diminishing because no in is stoking the embers. we, just like the log, cannot survive without someone caring and helping, poking, and giving us strength. Just add two or three logs to a fire and watch its light increase and fill the room, and feel the heat intensify. Alone, a log can do little, but with others it can be very powerful and awesome. So it is with us. we need others to grow, to give us strength, and to help us increase and intensify.

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    1. Actually this sounds a bit narcissistic. The answer to loneliness is to form ourselves into small groups? The Christian answer to loneliness is to serve God and serve others and let God take care of your loneliness. There's hardly a great saint who did not "go it alone" into the dark night of the soul. In fact, this false sense of community is why we were forced to change the first word of the Credo back to "I believe" instead of the corrupted "We believe." And we "cannot survive without someone caring, helping, poking, and giving us strength"? Wow, tell that again to the great saints, especially the likes of St. Francis and and St. John of the Cross who were thrown out of their own communities, and in St. John's case, even tormented by his own brothers. No wonder so many in the Neocatechumenal Way never grow up if this is what you think.

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    2. It is Gods Plan. The Pastoral Constitution on the Church, one of the documents of Vatican II states, "God did not create man for life in isolation, but for the formation of social unity. So from the beginning of Salvation History He has chosen people not just as individuals but as members of a certain community.

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    3. The word God confirms this in Matthews Gospel where Jesus says, "where to or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them". If Christianity is not lived in community, it simply is not lived.

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    4. 5:39 PM Speak for yourself. Right now my greatest fear is that one of you neo protestants will get your hooks into one of my children and damn their souls for all eternity. Your ploys to market your faith by appealing to the needs of the flesh are a dead giveaway as to your true beliefs. Jesus taught us to deny ourselves in order to follow Him. He didn't say follow me so that I may make you feel better about yourself. He and His Church are the light of Truth in the darkness. The way to Him is difficult yet each soul must willingly choose of its own free will to follow. The NCW offers to guide you through the darkness by the false light of its faint lamp all the while leading you away from the Truth. Deny yourself and listen intently to the yearning of your soul. It thirsts for the Truth. Or you can ignore it, in which case loneliness will be the least of your worries come judgement day.

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    5. 6:26. I remember Fr. Walsh (ahem) telling me about how the NCW "puts people into communities." Read that again "puts people into communities". Yes. We know that's what you do. You PUT people into communities if you can even call them that. "Communities" for the rest of the Catholic world mean natural and free associations of people who seek each other out. But you, the NCW PUT people into communities and subject them to an artificial rule, enforced and supervised by artificial leaders called catechists and responsibles to whom community members are subject. Sorry. That's not what the "pastoral constitution" had in mind.

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    6. 6:38. See my answer at 5:50 with the additional note: Your willingness to bastardize the Gospel to justify Kiko's artificial construction of a community says a lot.

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    7. 5:39 PM, it's always a blessing to have friends, or a support system in your corner. I ask you this though: In your, "two or three logs to a fire," where does God fit in the equation? Please don't get me wrong, I see the picture you paint, and I hear what you're saying, but the part where you say that loneliness is, "one log left in a fire, slowly burning out," leads me to wonder if God will never be enough for you.

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  5. Tim is correct on the loneliness question. In any state of life or position the only way to resolve loneliness is to serve our Lord through apostolic work and sharing in the corporal works of mercy.There is always someone who needs to be visited at home in hospital, in prison that needs a listening ear. To bake oatmeal cookies and take out to people is a blessing to others and will cure loneliness.

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  6. Sorry Tim but 5:39,6:26 and 6:38 aren't NCW teachings. Those statements are straight from the Cursillo course on Christian Community. Just thought you might want to see what they teach on community. Thank you for your comments concerning their narcissistic approach to community.

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    1. The comments about community are by themselves neutral. No one questions the centrality of community in the life of a Christian. God himself is a community, and the family is made in his image.

      The comments become narcissistic in the context of the current conversation which is the neo justification of the superiority of the small community over the parish community. The small community itself becomes God…as we have so sadly seen, and its primary activity becomes navel gazing.

      The Cursillo, for all its emphasis on community, does not let the Cursillo community trump or interfere with the primary community of the family as does the NCW. It also does not separate itself from the parish for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as does the NCW. It also does not have a parallel hierarchy as does the NCW. It also does not have seminaries which manufactures its own "priests" to serve a liturgy and an ends separate from the rest of the faithful as does the NCW.

      Because it does not do any of these things, as does the NCW, its statements about community show community as a means and not an ends....as believes the NCW.

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    2. And P.S. Isn't it nice that you were able to go to their teachings IN WRITING to see what the Cursillo teaches? Not so the NCW.

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    3. Thanks for pointing out the differences Tim!

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  7. I was told to destroy the copy I have.......I dare you to try an obtain a copy, maybe Deacon steve can help you. Then you can say that the cursillo teachings aren't secretive. While youre there just ask Fr Joel for a report on their collections.

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    1. The Cursillo is an “apostolic movement” organized to develop Christian leaders. It is separate from the Church in that it is simply an association. It may or may not be supported by individual parishes and/or dioceses.

      Kiko rejected the label of “movement”. To achieve his ends, which is a fundamental transformation of Christian formation, he argued for his movement to be integrated into the Church as a legitimate “itinerary” of Christian initiation.

      The Church granted his request, but this is also why his teachings and practices had to undergo a serious review, and also why a unique statute had to be imposed upon it in order for it to be legitimatized.

      None of those things apply to the Cursillo because it is NOT all of the above.

      Since it is only an association or a movement, it is not bound to make any of its teachings public because they are not teachings which purport to be essential to Christian formation as does Kiko hold his to be.

      Knights of Columbus, Legion of Mary, and other groups can have teachings that do not need to be scrutinized and officially approved by the Church since they are primarily group specific. Their teachings only need to be not in conflict with the Church. Cursillos are also incorporated nationally as a 501(c)3.

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    2. There is nothing secret about the "Cursillos in Christianity" Movement. My father was a leader in that movement for decades and had a bookshelf full of books dedicated to it. I perused many of them prior to making my own Cursillo.

      Just do a search on Amazon to get the "Cursillos in Christianity, Leader's Manual" written by Gerald Hughes, the former leader in the USA, or "The Fundamental Ideas of the Cursillo Movement" put out by the World Body of Cursillos in Christianity. It's not hard to find out about the topics and content of the "Rollos" or the structure of an "Ultreya" if you really want to know without experiencing the Cursillo itself. In fact, go here or here to see the details of the rollos presented at a Cursillo weekend.

      Now, why can't the Neocatechumenal Way couldn't publish similar books and materials relating to the stages of "the Way", especially regarding the Initial Phase of Catechesis?

      Chuck White
      The Thoughtful Catholic Blog

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  8. After some inquiring, word is the men at the new seminarytaking extra classes at the seminary in Malojloj especially Mass liturgy. They are also at the parishes on weekends, this is true because I met one of them in this past week. Thank you to the priests who are part of training these seminarians to provide them with the right training.

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  9. There is no reason not to send these men to an accredited seminary, especially since we have a regional seminary the Holy Father has obliged us to support. It is our duty to do all we can to send them there. Have we even tried?

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  10. I agree with Tim. What is the harm in sending our local men to an accredited seminary? The Bishop would save face. This would be a good move in the right direction to begin building the bridges the nuncio is encouraging. We know though that Apuron's primary goal is to pump out the "numbers" so that he gains some type of elite status with Gennarini and Arguello. Why do men at the "JPII Seminary" have to take extra classes? That seminary is not even recognized. It's a boarding house and the men who stay there are educated under the Neocatechumenal Way.

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