"We're not judging you but yeah, we're judging you... I don't know your situation with work but you truly do not love God in your heart..." What the heck? How is this not judging this woman and her husband?! What happened to "only God can judge." I think if anything, Natasha's husband, Chris, is showing his love for God by providing for his family.And why the heck are the "brothers" laughing. Sorry but all my personal observations of the Neo seminarians is they eat, play video games, eat, watch movies, eat... I do not think most of these seminarians have any idea of what is true responsibility to others. Seems like they're being bred for privilege above all else. Simply disgusting.Run, Natasha, Run!!!
Tim and Chuck, Did you get permission to post about Natasha and Chris? I don't think they would approve of your posts about them and their family. Please take this down.
I didn't post about "Natasha and Chris". It's a comment from Chuck.
However, I think we are sticking up for Natasha and Chris. Chris did the right thing. His marital vow is to provide and protect, NOT to attend Pius stupid ego party. We hope they will have the courage to stand up to this diseased megalomaniac before he completely wrecks their lives. However, if Natasha and Chris believe that obedience to Pius is more important that obedience to their marital commitment, then they are welcome to send me an email and I will take down all mention of this. You can let them know.
Anon 8:59PM. Are the activities of NCW part of a secret society? Not sure why they would get upset. During testimonies during mass, NCW members speak openly about their "private" family matters.
These private family matters stay in the room and are not taken outside. They are not public matters.
No, I absolutely do NOT need Natasha and Chris's permission, and no, I will absolutely NOT take the post down. Please tell Fr. Pius to expect more...
8:59,Nothing in that recording is private. She stood up to speak in front of everyone in that room. I think you should be more concerned about this Pius guy and all the others laughing in that room.
Tell Pius to shut his Mouth from spreading his evil.
@ 9:22...please explain what about that recording is a "private family matter". Only thing you hear is Pius "the bully" lecturing her about her husbands absence. Pius has no clue about what it takes to take care of a family. Obviously, Natasha and Chris have made God a priority and have committed to that journey; they just chose the wrong vehicle.
Why is Friday considered the day of their Conversion? Is it because of Good Friday?
So disgusting, shame on Pius.... How can all these people not see he is just a wolf in sheep's clothing???
Mark 10:9 says "Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate." Not to mention, Pius laying down the guilt trip and the rest of the NCW brethren laughing about it is enough to make anyone leave.
In "Giant Surrounded by Monkeys" Fr. Pius E. Sammut, OCD claims, on page 56, "You need to be a God to forgive. The whole point is that a Christian is called to become a God!"
There is only one God. A Christian becoming God is total nonsense. Hmm...does Pius consider himself the giant surrounded by monkeys? Not surprised if he looks down at the rest of us as sub humans, hence his choice of the word "monkey". Oh, but he has no problem taking moneee and other valuables from people. He is a charlatan and a blight on the Catholic church. He needs to be kicked out off this island.
Give it up someone ,meetings at Saint Anthony, or not. ??? What's the big secret.
I must say that the Pope doesn't seem to speak to people in this manner that Pius did. In fact he seems to be saying the opposite. Pius sounds like one of the presenters from personal development seminars from the 80's and 90's like est. or Forum as examples.
Speaking of Pius. Guess who was at the airport tonight (1/4/15) picking up someone? More reinforcements? Hmmm
Ohhhh, why do you think that?
Natasha, Chris, and Family,Please understand that No One has the right to chastise you folks on what you and your husband have decided is right and necessary for the needs and well being of your family. Pius's condecending comments are uncalled for, not charitable, and demeaning, especially considering it is coming from a susposed Man of God. The lack of respect from others in that group laughing as you are being chastized is surely not what one would expect coming from God Loving people. Unless Pius is paying the bills and putting food on the table, he really does not have any business intruding in anyone's marriage life. Reliance in God is very important, however it does not remove our Primary responsibility to our families. Its true that God takes care of the birds and the bees, however he does not pour honey into the comb, or a cup of seeds in the nest. The birds and bees still have to gather... God Bless you and your family, God Bless your Husband for performing his Fatherly duties.. Dump Pius!!!
God provides to those who do their part, as in working to provide for your family. The jobless would be wealthy if God didn't want you to work. Yes God comes first, but Pius manipulates God's words to build their empire on Earth. Pius and his masters have made a living doing nothing but taking from other, using cult like tactics.
This is somewhat similar to what transpired one Sunday morning in my former parish..., I have three daughters, the eldest in married in the Catholic Church, the other two are civily married and at the time they were trying to get more information about marriage in the Catholic Church, and do attend Sunday Masses at this Parish My second eldest my second eldest have reached the point where she feels that her husband would be willing to pursue that route, so she was feeling very elated and wanted to show her appreciation. At communion time, knowing she can not receive the host, she walk up with th communicants with her arms folded in front of her showing that she can not receive the host, the neopersbyter edivaldo looeked at her mumbled something and continued to the next person in line. Before the final blessing of the Mass, eldivaldo made the comments that if you ar not redy to receive the body of Jesus, you shouild come up. The causes my two daughters to abandon the quest to be married in the Catholic Church, and the eldest is saying that if this is how the Church treats those who have strayed, then it is of no use to go to church. Jes of Chalan Pago
Talk about "squeezing the juice . . ." He should have not passed her over for a blessing. However, all due respect, what Fr. Eldivaldo said at the end of Mass, is correct. The line for receiving the Eucharist should not be a line to receive anything else but the host. Besides, we all receive special blessings just for attending Mass whether we are able to receive communion or not, and then Father imparts blessings when he sends us off at the end of Mass. What Fr. Eldivaldo did, however, at the time your daughter was in front of him, was essentially to"punish" her by refusing a blessing. That certainly is unfortunate and extremely uncharitable. Please let her know that Fr. Eldivaldo did not represent the Church when he refused.We will all continue to pray for the conversion of your daughters.
There are several points to be noted here:1. RMS priests are not educated to be diocesan priests nor are the formed to be pastors. They are products of the Neocatechumenal Way which has both a different theology of the Eucharist and a different liturgy. This is why they are “fish out of water” in the parishes and in the Mass. In addition, they are taught that parish-based Catholicism is dead. Thus, we see the likes of Edivaldo screwing things up liturgically, theologically, and pastorally, as in the case Jes of Chalan Pago notes. 2. The “going up” in the communion line with one’s arms crossed is NOT part of the communion rite is NOT permitted by the GIRM. However, it is not the fault of those who practice it because they have been told to do this by their teachers or even their pastors. This is an example of one of the many silly little post-Vatican II feel-goodisms we inserted into the liturgy all on our own. 3. When one processes up to receive communion one is supposed to be properly disposed to receive the Body of Christ. If one is not properly disposed then he or she is not to go up. A blessing is given at the end of every Mass anyway.4. This illicit practice is even more confusing when one processes up, arms crossed, to a lay extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, who is not properly deputed to bless anybody, at least not in the context of the Mass. 5. This is an example of how our messing with the faith, particularly the liturgy, has paved the way for the likes of the NCW. Sure hope that we have all learned from this.
Dear Natasha,We truly do have all we need in our church and the sacraments. If a priest put me or my hubby on a hot seat like that, I would run for dear life! With this post, I am reminded of the marriage classes my husband and I took under the direction of our wonderful capuchin pale. Something profoundly resonated: He reminded us during our marriage classes that receiving the sacrament of holy matrimony means to become a sign for God and through our love for God and each other we are able to humbly fulfill God's will for this vocation of marriage. According to the good word: Adam was told he and his descendants must work hard everyday of his life to put food on the table for his family. My husband happily accepts his duties for his vocation as a married man and breadwinner of our family. Meanwhile I, as his helpmate joyfully support my God- fearing hubby in all that he does so he can guide and shepherd our family. Through only God's graces (and certainly not a priest dictating how to make decisions for our family) and with my incredible hubby's efforts, in addition to paying the bills, we're able to tithe for our parish's needs and help charitable groups in the name of God. We are able to bear witness that by focusing on God, holding our vocation of marriage with much regard, and attending mass according to the doctrine and dogma of our faith- our marriage and our family is peacefully in tact. Although I'm sure our fantastic pale' will be readily available should or when we need his "direction", he would NEVER dictate or demean our decisions for our family. As the age old intellects and fathers of Catholicsm have designed and built our beloved church, we truly have all we need in our mass, our sacraments, and our prayers. May the holy spirit guide you and your family.
Who gives Edivaldo, the right to judge an individual. People this is the reason why we are opposed to the Neo Clergy coming to additional Parishes. Keep them out. We have seen from examples posted on Junglewatch how they administer. Shame on him!!!!
made Edivaldo, God who can judge what is in someones heart???? Shame on him. This example and others posted on Junglewatch are the reasons to Keep remaining Parishes "Neo Free Parishes. The damaged caused by this group has divided our Church and we are thankful for Junglewatch for now other can be aware of their practices. Sad, truly sad. Please advise your daughter not to give up on her quest to return to the chuch.
Tim, you say that this is a post from chuck and not you? Well this is your blog and whatever you approved to be on it is your responsibility. For the sake of this family natasha and chris, have respect for them and remove this post. As for Mr. Chuck who has no respect for Natasha and Chris and wanting to boost about them. Enough is enough.A Parishioner of Inarajan
Since it's obvious you can't read, I'll copy it here:TimJanuary 4, 2015 at 9:10 PMHowever, I think we are sticking up for Natasha and Chris. Chris did the right thing. His marital vow is to provide and protect, NOT to attend Pius stupid ego party. We hope they will have the courage to stand up to this diseased megalomaniac before he completely wrecks their lives. However, if Natasha and Chris believe that obedience to Pius is more important that obedience to their marital commitment, then they are welcome to send me an email and I will take down all mention of this. You can let them know.
Anon 2:05,You never answered the question. How is it personal? Your perspective is way off.
Anon 2:05 PMFor the Family's sake, you should be more concerned about Pius and those cronies who laughed while this poor family is being chastised by this maniac. Look at most of the posts here, we are in support of this poor family not getting this type of treatment from anyone. We can see however that you symphatize with Pius as you are probably in support of his control tactics. If you want to soar with the Eagles, you got to quit hanging around with those turkeys...