Monday, April 25, 2016

LAITY FORWARD MOVEMENT KEEPS UP THE PRESSURE

The LFM continued their information campaign at the Merizo and Talofofo parishes this weekend. According to one of the LFM members, the Merizo pastor, the Kiko-presbyter, Fr. Julius Akinyemi, told parishioners not to take the flyers being passed out by the LFM. Apparently most of the parishioners ignored him. The pastor also reportedly told LFM members that they had no right to be there. There may be more to report soon. 

The LFM also protested this morning in front of RMS as clergy arrived for another session with the Kiko-supporting Cardinal. 

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47 comments:

  1. Janet B -MangilaoApril 25, 2016 at 5:56 PM

    Fr Julius "you have no right to be here"
    Funny, I Thot the church was supposed to be welcoming to all. What the heck is he saying? Catholics not wanted? That seems to fall in line with the assertion of bishop Schneider about the kiko kaka when he said "the neocatechumenate is a Protestant-Jewish community inside the Church with a Catholic decoration only".

    The Bishop hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what the jungle has also been exposing for the past 2 years...something is terribly wrong! It is indeed refreshing to hear a member speak the truth about the NCW. And this bishop knows what he is talking about because he was their episcopal delegate for several years and studied them extensively.

    His interview should be read at all Kiko gatherings.

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  2. God bless the faithful of Merizo and Talofofo and the LFM.

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  3. These presbyters formed in the NeoCatechumenal Way need to be taught a lesson! Please write to INS (Immigration and Naturalization Services) and report these abuses! We need to revoke all of the R-1 visas as quickly as we can. The RMS seminary needs to bleed out seminarians! No R-1 visas or student visas, no RMS seminary! They leech off of this system and this system on visas needs to be revoked as quickly as possible! The NCW and RMS are incongruent with the objectives of this Archdiocese's mission and vision! Report on those seminarians who became priests and are no where to be found! We need to shut down RMS now!

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  4. These presbyters formed in the NeoCatechumenal Way need to be taught a lesson! Please write to INS (Immigration and Naturalization Services) and report these abuses! We need to revoke all of the R-1 visas as quickly as we can. The RMS seminary needs to bleed out seminarians! No R-1 visas or student visas, no RMS seminary! They leech off of this system and this system on visas needs to be revoked as quickly as possible! The NCW and RMS are incongruent with the objectives of this Archdiocese's mission and vision! Report on those seminarians who became priests and are no where to be found! We need to shut down RMS now!

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    1. Thanks Fr. Eric. We can tell this is you because not many are familiar with the term R-1. Only those who apply for it like Filipino priests or priest from other countries. Good job.
      Hi Tim.lol

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    2. Just look at where these seminarians originate and you will see life on Guam is good compared to where they came from.

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    3. At 8:24. Are you scared, Adrian? Still trying to take out Fr. Eric. Still scratching where it does not itch? Still rotting away on the inside from the jealous hatred that has been eating away your soul your whole life? Have you got a lawyer, Adrian? A real one not a "trained one"? That's why your Gennar-weeney pals are here, aren't they, Adrian. It's going down, isn't it Adrian. It's falling down all around you. Best not show up on my blog anymore Adrian. Best you start talking to your Gennar-weeney pals about the best place to hide. I hear there's room in Qatar. Bye.

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    4. R-1 visas are not a secret. Flimsy comment by 8:24 AM.

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    5. @8:24AM, watch who you point your finger at. Who takes care of the applications of these visas now at the Chancery?

      Quick to assume or accuse!

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    6. Asked Father Pablo this very thing. He said, " they do". He got a green card. Now he's not around anymore. Where did Pablo go? ( with his green card).

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    7. Yep. Where are a whole lot of them? Can someone provide us the list of missing "presbyters"? Presbyters we paid for and were told were "for Guam"!! Guam is just a place for these guys to get a green card, spend a few years by the pool, get their butt wiped by their subservient communities, suck some juice out of the girls, and move on.

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    8. The INS has not existed since 2003. USCIS does not rely upon public input in renewing R-1 visas.

      If an applicant were to falsely claim continuing presence in the United States, that would be a matter for criminal investigation by ICE.

      But would a NEO presbyter or member of the archdiocesan curia lie under oath about something like this?

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    9. Immigration fraud!!
      ICE places a high priority on investigating document and benefit fraud. These types of fraud pose a severe threat to national security and public safety because they create a vulnerability that may enable terrorists, other criminals and illegal aliens to gain entry to and remain in the United States.

      Document and benefit fraud are elements of many immigration-related crimes, such as human smuggling and human trafficking, critical infrastructure protection, worksite enforcement, visa compliance enforcement and national security investigations.

      Document fraud, also known as identity fraud, is the manufacturing, counterfeiting, alteration, sale, and/or use of identity documents and other fraudulent documents to circumvent immigration laws or for other criminal activity. Identity fraud in some cases also involves identity theft, a crime in which an imposter takes on the identity of a real person (living or deceased).

      Benefit fraud is the willful misrepresentation of a material fact on a petition or application to gain an immigration benefit. Benefit fraud can be an extremely lucrative form of white-collar crime, often involving sophisticated schemes and multiple co-conspirators. These schemes can take years to investigate and prosecute.

      The Identity and Benefit Fraud Unit is charged with investigating and disrupting document and benefit fraud schemes. It coordinates its investigative efforts with other U.S. Department of Homeland Security components, such as U.S. Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, as well as other federal agencies such as the U. S. Department of State and U.S. Department of Labor.

      The unit also develops and advances policy initiatives and proposes legislative changes to address vulnerabilities in the immigration process to deter fraud and reduce the incentives for committing document and benefit fraud."
      https://www.ice.gov/identity-benefit-fraud

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  5. so, have the neocats played the victim card yet? you can predict they will.

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    1. DianaApril 26, 2016 at 11:33 AM
      Dear Anonymous at 11:10 am,

      The NCW is not being persecuted because of the "name-calling." The persecution takes place when the Archbishop's tires are slashed, when a petition is circulated banning the NCW from their parish, when pamphlets are distributed illegally in our parishes, when protesters show up to disrupt birthday parties or travel, when confidential information of our travels are stolen and published, etc.

      What is insulting is SENDING out elderly folks to block traffic. I would never send out my grandmother to protest under a hot sun. I would do it myself.

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    2. Well there's the evidence that Diana is not a real Christian. Real Christians quietly welcome persecution and give thanks for it, not devote a whole blog to it. LOL. Fakes.

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  6. We should go to all parishes and pass out flyers to show how much we are fed up! Let's begin every Sunday and follow the bishop to the fiestas'. Just a thought.

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    1. Anonymous 5:48 p.m. I had a similar thought. If the Concerned Catholics and the Laity Forward Movement members can't get the archbishop to meet with them, why not approach him when he is seated outside eating at the fiesta table at the parish fiestas. Anyone can approach him there.

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    2. What the hell is the problem with you people? You call yourself "concerned catholics" yet you are the ones who are causing division. I will tell you right now that GOD and his church has saved my family and I THROUGH the NCW. The NCW is NOT the only way to salvation, but it has helped me tremendously. It is one of the many ways God has to reach out to people. I want to speak about my sister who lived a life of precariousness. She was involved in sex, alcohol and she constantly expressed that she didn't know the meaning of her life. she attempted to commit suicide. My parents were very distressed over this and a couple years later we got an invitation to JOY. as a family we tried everything. from bible studies with our families but we weren't getting much fulfillment.The Lord used The NCW to help my sister find her vocation.She is now a Carmelite nun in Morrisstown, New Jersey! and guess what her preparation was? she went to mass everyday at Our Lady of Peace and Safe Journey at 6 pm. Now I am not saying that the way is the only way but can you people just stop and see that some graces are coming from it? The archbishop is trying his best to lead the church. im sure that he wakes up at 5 am every morning praying for every one of us.You cause the man to suffer like a dog. do you ever think about that? How can all of you say that the NCW is bad? my parents were on the verge of divorce and experienced problems in their marriage. when I was younger before the way, I never saw my parents ask forgiveness from each other. Now, every Sunday morning we gather as a family in prayer and I see my father ask my mother for forgiveness. Now in the Eucharist, many of you do not see how the children are. here are some examples of what they pray for. They pray to be better children. they ask God for humility. They ask God to help their parents marriage. they ask god to help them to stop sinning and to stop being selfish.they ask god to give them the gift to love others! these kids are as young as 5 years old and they pray for this in the assembly. How can you say that this is a bad thing ? that these kids are being brainwashed?!! Once in a while we go 2 by 2 to random homes and speak about how god has saved us. It is NOT the NCW that brings salvation. It is God USING the NCW as one way to help his church lead us to him. There are many people who are not in the NCW that are MUCH MORE converted than I am. God has used this way to help save my family and to help save myself. Maybe for other Catholics, God uses a different way. I don't know everything about all this financial situation, but the Lord has revealed himself to my family and I through this way. One way to see if this is from God is to look at the fruit that it bares. sure,all of us are great sinners. but the lord loves every single one of us. The lord never forces us and he leaves us free. The way has helped me grow closer to god. I have many sins, but God through the way has shown his love towards me and constantly calls me to come back to the church. Now, someone tell me is it really that bad that it has helped my parents marriage? that it helps the children pray for themselves and their families? I totally disagree that it is a bad thing, because I have seen the fruits of it.

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    3. What a testimony Joshua. I am sure your family is proud of you airing out your dirty laundry. Remember the saying of your uncle. "Archbishop, you are the problem." A wise man he is.

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    4. which uncle ? and say your name anonymous? u scared? it aint dirty laundry. im saying how god has helped my family and I. and yeah my family is proud of me.

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    5. And here I thought that since I no longer attend mass at the cathedral that I was done with the NEO testimonials!

      "trying his best to lead the church" SERIOUSLY? Best laugh of the day so far!!!

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    6. Joshua,

      Thank God that you found peace and joy in the Church, that was through the Holy Spirit and His will.

      Your personal testimony is just that, yours. However, it does not and cannot respond to the criminal activity that has occurred on our island through the leadership of the NCW. Never ever.

      These protesters are not protesting your testimony. They are protesting the criminal and unethical methods that the ncw employs and they are protesting the divergence from the tenets and liturgy of the faith that the ncw leadership on Guam has imposed on this island (and all over the world)

      We praise God for your conversion. We admonish the ncw leadership for the exploitation of others in the ncw and the manipulation of scripture they employ in their justification.




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    7. Unfortunately his personal testimony is not just his. It is the same "personal testimony" that we hear over and over again - a facsimile of every testimony the NCW produces. In fact, this is simple evidence of the problem.

      There is no variety to these testimonies because they are not real. They might feel authentic but they are constructed. This is Kiko's plan of course. He "deconstructs" the person and remakes them in his own image. You are only a true NCW member if you can reproduce Kiko's existential moment.

      Imagine if St Paul went about telling people that they are not truly Christian unless they travel by horseback to Damsacus and see a blinding light.

      Kiko's experience is the "authentic" one and every member has to walk they same path and claim to have the same experience if they want to be truly "saved" (note how Joshua said "GOD and his church has saved my family and I THROUGH the NCW" as if the question of salvation is resolved even before the natural death - a protestant view of course).

      I'm sorry, but as much as I'd like to believe this child (I presume he is a teenageer - they all speak this way), I do not. I feel sorry for him, but his testimony is only a further warning of the danger of this cult.

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  7. that is all u gotta say? hahahahahaha. ok Mr. Rohr. You are the MOST CONVERTED CATHOLIC in the world! you are holier than Pope Francis himself! yaayyy

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  8. and Mr. Rohr tell this anonymous person to say their name. ive never insulted your families. this person scared or what? maybe they don't got the courage to say how god has helped them. but maybe anonymous doesn't have any sins either lol

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    1. And here's a few more words: "The Neocathecumenate is a Protestant-Jewish community inside the Church with a Catholic decoration only."

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    2. Uncle? Hmmm, Tim, maybe you should post that tape again!

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    3. Joshua has let the story of his sister for all the world to see. Shame. This story tells of more than one Guam girl in NJ. This will all come to a bad end. Unresolved problems of this sort come back to bite. Poor Carmelites in NJ . Seriously.

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    4. I have memorized the NCW narrative. Heard it so many times. Yawn, sorry. Tired of it.

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  9. Joshua, what a nice Biblical name, as a "son of Israel", (since this is what you like to call yourselves), could you ask for divine intervention, in helping you with your verbiage?

    That would be very helpful in reducing the headache of figuring out what you are trying to say.

    I believe most of us translated more or less accurately your discourse, but we cannot be certain since your grammar is so approximative.

    So let see, if I got it,despite these obstacles: You and your family were saved thanks to the NCW from a life of sin and debauchery.
    The NCW is wonderful.
    God works through the NCW.
    Children are given good bases to live a life according to God, thanks to the NCW

    We are bad, because we are treating the Archbishop like a dog, and stopping him from doing his job.
    Tim is also bad because he thinks he is better than the Pope?
    Also he is the "most converted Catholic in the world"? Here I could not translate.
    Anyway:
    Good to know that your life is on the "right track". Seems like you still have work to do. Specifically the anger issue, and the blurred vision.
    People here, have always said, that they blamed the Archbishop, Pius and the Genarinni for what we have found out, that is wrong.
    Nobody ever blamed the honest and well meaning NCW members, whom I am sure, you belong to. Actually Tim even goes out of his way to make that distinction on a regular basis.
    So why the anger? Are you that in love with your leaders, that you shall defend them even when they are wrong?

    Finally for the blurry vision, I was referring to your positive view of the Archbishop, who is a failed leader. It has been demonstrated here and several other sites over the last three years, but also it has been known to many observers for decades. Unfortunately, as it shall be revealed soon by some of his victims, you should realize your trust was betrayed. Do not be blinded by the sirens of false promises.
    Again, congratulations on your progress. May the Lord continue to open your eyes, your ears, and most of all your heart to his will, so that you can TRULY be saved.

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  10. God bless you, Joshua. You're not just singling out the NCW but you are singling out that it is the Lord who has done good things for you... and like Psalm 118... I shall not die but live and tell the works of the Lord. This is not dirty laundry dear brothers and sisters... this is true defense of faith... but you only judge him because he walks in the Way.

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    1. Actually, we judge him because he starts out by greeting us with "What the hell is the problem with you people." And then he wants us to believe that the Lord has turned his life around. LOL. In any event, Mormons, Jehova's, Victory Chapel, etc., all have the same stories, many even better than Joshua's. We reject you because you reject the central tenet of Catholicism: that Jesus Christ is present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in the consecrated bread and wine, and that the Mass is a representation of the One Sacrifice on Calvary. As with my challenge to Joshua, feel free to prove this wrong.

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    2. Joshua, I think you're supposed to drink the kool-aid, but it seems snorting the stuff gives you the same delusion. Calm down dude.

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    3. Tim,
      Are you saying that the Neos do not believe that the bread and wine are the true body and blood, soul and divinity of our lord Jesus Christ? Are you saying that the priest that are ordained by the bishops all around the world do not believe that Jesus is present during the concentration of the Mass? I read several comments months before that people would not to go a Catholic Church for mass and receive the body of Christ because the priest is a Neo. What is your take on this? Is it wrong to brainwash the faithful that the priest is wrong in their ministry? I have notice that you prefer the Latin Mass. That is good. But some may like the norvus ordo Mass. Which is the tradition since Vatican II. Some did not like the changes from the Latin Mass to the Norvus Ordo. But in time, the people conformed to it. So is the Church wrong for changing the mass to the vernacular of the region? I understand that people do not like the Neo (an influence from spain) but just as the history of Guam states that the people of Guam, meaning the Chiefs and its people were not fond of Blessed Diego (a Priest from Spain) to influence the people and bring Catholicism to Guam. We must learn to co-exist with each other for we all have many friends who are in the Neo way and if it brings them closer to Christ, then who are we to judge them. This division is causing the other Catholics who are not protesting great harm because they question, what is your gain? A question that I cannot answer. I am not a neo and I have been constantly called as adrian or rudy which I am not. Does the CCOG or LFM want peace or do they want to be like the Chamorros before (Chief Matapang) killing Blessed Diego? The peace stop when they harassed a man at the airport. I am surprised that that is what the elders teach the young. So CCOG and LFM, speak for yourselves and not for the other True Catholics who do not go against the Church and who are not joining in your protest.

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    4. Answer the question, Mario.

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    5. Well guamboy, talk about, deflect, deflect, deflect.....can you stay focused on one thing?

      As for an answer to your question, about what is it to be gained? Don't you know?
      It is what Jesus promised us....Eternal life at his side.

      Otherwise, please focus!!!

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    6. Frenchie,
      Remain focus. Should you be at the friary or planning another off-island trip. Its ok. I hear your not fond of your brother provincial. You can't run the friary like before. I hear you voted for him and he's strict. Well that's a good thing. See you at the Friary on Thursday. Oh wait. Are we invited? because the property belongs to the capuchins. So I would think that we are allowed to be there at any time. Well, the gates are locked at 9pm. Oh, yea since your at the Friary on Thursdays for dinner and prayers, isn't the Bishop there as well?

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    7. Dear Guamboy, for whatever reason these days, there seems to be a tendency to think of Catholics as being defined by their "tolerance" or a desire to "get along" with others.

      If only that were possible. No, a Catholic must believe the revelation of God through Our Lord Jesus Christ, as coninually taught by the Church since the beginning. That means that communion in faith is indicated, not merely by "getting along" or by agreeing with a bishop (or even a Pope), but by fidelity to the (revealed) Tradition.

      If you knew that, then you would make every effort to actually find out whether the NCW really, truly teaches what the Church teaches, particularly about the Mass. Not some caricature of the Church's teaching, but the real thing. And not simply (out of laziness perhaps?) believing that the NCW looks Catholic, so they must actually be Catholic.

      Why do the same crticisms of the NCW come up again and agina by widely disparate people over time? It is not because of some secret organization between them, but because these individuals (Bishop Schneider, Fr Zoffoli, Tim, Chuck and many others) have a Catholic mind, and have actually looked properly at what it is that is taught.

      Do you have a Catholic sense? Look for yourself if you think you do. The history of the Church is full of incidents where mistaken doctrine has threatened to take hold. This is simply another occasion.

      If you love the Church, insist on fidelity to the revealed doctrine. And demand that interlopers and peddlers of novelty are first shown the truth, and then, if they persevere in error, shown the door.

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    8. Giuamboy, Mario. You are so damn far off it's hilarious. Yes, we know that you have marching orders to take out Fr. Eric. They come from Adrian. As mentioned many times Adrian hates anyone who is more liked or more intelligent than himself, which of course means everyone. But he especially loathes Fr. Eric. Yawn.

      BTW,I personally know Frenchie. He's a real Frenchman from France. A former Marine. I'll introduce him to you soon. A back alley will do. LOL.

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  11. Joshua, what you and all other members of the NCW continually fail to recognize is exactly what Tim has reiterated many times. Nobody here has any quarrel with you for finding God and turning your life around. But being a better person, praying everyday, living a more meaningful life, and all the other fruits you mention do not inherently make you Catholic. To be Catholic one must truly believe in the dogmas of the Catholic church and one must recognize the authority of the pope. The NCW teaches things contrary to the dogma of the Catholic church and attempts to usurp the authority of the pope. If the NCW were to establish its own church separate nd apart from our Catholic church, it would get about the same amount of grief as all the other protestant churches on Guam. What we adamantly abhor is how the NCW pretends to be Catholic in order to endow itself with legitimacy.

    If you desire real salvation, it is incumbent upon you to seek the Truth. The real Truth and not the garbage that others would shove down your throat.

    Consider this, why is your story and many others like yours always one where you are in despair and the NCW just happens to be the lifeboat that saves you? In the 30 years that Tony has been in office, why wasn't the Church there to reach out to you? It is because he ignored his responsibilities and failed to take any action to strengthen the faith. Instead, he has spent the greater part of his tenure pursuing a higher office. Kiko promised to get him there if he handed this archdiocese over to him.

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  12. Guamboy type slower. Did you mean consecration? Yes, it is our understanding that the Neos do not believe in the Sacrifice of the Mass. Yes we believe that the Neos violate church laws when it comes to receiving Communion. You all make it look like one big fiesta. Finally, yes we believe that the presbyters AAA ordains are flukes. Bishops all over the world are faked by the fruits of the NCW and cannot see the rotting tree that the fruits came from. As for you not being Neo, that just seems like another thing Neos are good at, and that is lying. So go pontificate to Diana. Stop walking in the Jungle. You may hurt yourself with the truth.

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  13. Joshua and Guamboy,

    Perhaps something for you to think about. God became incarnate in Jesus Christ and established His Church guided by the Holy Spirit which guarantees that it possesses the fullness of truth, that means Jesus and the Church that he established are the absolute, the very source for all that is truth.. What can any man including Kiko and his NCW ever introduce that can improve on what the Son came to give us through his Church? Christ wants to give us all truths, not some man’s version of what that truth is.
    Why is so much effort on your part placed in defense of Kiko or the NCW? Is he greater than Christ or his Church?

    It is the Holy Trinity that saves people and blesses marriages and saves relationships, surely not Kiko or the NCW. When a sect teaches that Jesus is a sinner, or that the Holy Eucharist is not a sacrifice, The Church herself, not JW labels the teaching heretical. As these teachings are the very fundamental and essential truths of our Catholic Faith revealed to us by Christ himself. To say that Jesus is a sinner, denies the Holy Trinity. There is no greater heresy than this.

    The protesters are expressing not just displeasure against heretical teaching that this sect has introduced into our island, but all the questionable acts that our so called shepherd and religious leaders through their silence, without any explanation are allowing to take place in the Church through the instrument of the NCW leadership. The matter of giving away church assets when our churches and catholic schools are also in need, suspicions of sexual abuse with no resolve to protect the innocent and vulnerable, are the very reason for the division in the Church . I say we call out evil for what it is, there is much at stake. The eternal life of many souls. We should follow Christ and the Church he established, not some sect with novel ideas of what the truth is, even when it appears to be producing fruits that appear to be good in man’s eyes. What really matters is God’s view.

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  14. Yes and any such bishop must insist that any "eucharists" held at all, be done in far better order.

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