Perhaps I remember incorrectly but I thought that Cardinal Hon Tai Fai was NCW-friendly and that's why he did nothing after the investigation he led a year and a half ago on Guam.
Neocatechumenal Way was the best hiding place for a bishop with such a background. People must aware of this: Kiko teachings of not resisting evil do hide those crimes. Neocatechumenal Way preaches exactly the opposite of the position of Pope Francis about it. When a movement within catholic Church can be used to avoid justice, please start running away! JesusChrist cries with victims. Now, in front of this painfully cases, I will like to see Kiko and Gennarini crying for a banner with "please, go home". They called the Police just for it, while abused and really damaged are told in the Way not to resist the evil. Phalse prophets and pharisees! Now we understand the spurious interests of a bishop who was able to go against his sheeps resorting to lies and manipulation to defend the Neocatechumenal Way over all...his safe conduct.
I agree with Frenchie. While we hope this is the beginning of good news, let us not count our chickens before they're hatched. Let us continue to pray and be on our guard.
I know many think that it might be the right thing for Msgr. James to be restored as Rector of the Cathedral-Basilica but the thing is he has been there for TWENTY years (he has done a great job don't get me wrong) but we need the gifts of this outstanding priest elsewhere too. I think he should be Chancellor given the talents and abilities he has demonstrated.
Msgr. David should explain himself and apologize for allowing, or committing, any actions against the good of the faithful of the local church. I doubt that he will be removed as the Vicar General since he is the only priest incardinated in this archdiocese (that I'm aware of) who possesses a doctorate in Canon Law.
And onto Crystal No Balls: he's a lost cause. Get rid of this coward. Make him parochial vicar at St. Anthony like he did to other priests he didn't like.
Additionally we should involve the religious at the Chancery as well. The Jesuits possess great intelligence and the Capuchins have the know-how on helping the grass-roots of the local Church.
Let's not let this situation happen again. The Chancery needs to be transparent and we need to have priests/deacons there who are open and receiving of Catholics of all kinds, Neo or not. There should be no chance of this type of group forming again. With a diverse set of clergy and religious, we can avoid this.
I doubt if either Fr. Paul or Msgr. James want their old jobs back. What they want back is the opportunity to be treated justly as the Church requires. Both men should be restored to their original positions and then properly offered other positions where their gifts can be of greater service to the church.
As for David remaining the VG. NO! It does not matter what degree he has. He has disqualified himself for any future service in the archdiocese by being the primary means for this flow of evil. I'm sure Archbishop Hon will soon discover it if he has not already. I will personally see to it that David is removed.
I agree with Tim, David is a lost cause. Plus he is not the only canon lawyer on Guam, apparently we have 4, I understand one is quite old, and the second one is as shy as he is talented.
I will share my analysis later, after some more research.
I agree with most of your comments, Anonymous 6/8/16 at 10:02p; however, I don't agree with sending Adrian to Tamuning. The parishioners benefitted from having Father Paul and Msgr James there -- no need to erase all that good by sending Adrian there. Has Adrian even preached lately? Does he know how to celebrate a Mass anymore? No, the parishioners of Tamuning don't need to be punished with his ilk.
I do agree that he should be disposed of, though. Send him somewhere he can think about all he's done, how he was able to rise through the ranks of the NCW, and how he eventually fell faaaaarrrrr back down to reality. Just make sure you hide the pots and pans.
Mons. David C Quitugua, the VG, is disqualified from any position of trust by publishing the bogus Certificate of Title in the November 29 Umatuna Si Yu'os.
I'm all for forgiving, but NOT the three stooges...
If the ncw wants to practice the days of old, in small communities, fine, great, I want to treat the three stooges with nothing less, in the old days the dirty, disgusting, and despicable, were tar and feathered, and sent packing, love the good ole days...
Just to look at Lurch the VG and shake his white clammy hand any man can figure him out. Completely disqualified. No judgement at all following male witch Putrid Pius. Oh, Putrid...your day is coming . Soak the yellow choppers. Company at your door. Who? Nope! Not the Generrinis.
This comment is off the track, but can someone answer if true or not that the Carmelite sisters are leaving Guam very soon. It pains me to hear this news. Please let's pray for their well-being and give them our sincerest thanks for the many years of supplication to God and our Mother for our welfare. If, by their departure, it brings a renewed spirit for the love of God in our lives, the sacrifice is most deserved. Archbishop Apuron, you need to be at the head of this line to bow and give thanks.
This is all fine and dandy but at what point are we going to see criminal charges handed down against Apuron? Don't tell me after all that has come to light in recent days that he won't face justice. Even if his victims opt not to press charges, one would think that the public prosecutor would have standing to bring a case on behalf of the people, no?
Yes, it is sad to see the Carmelite nuns leave because their prayers are most needed here, but I am sure they will continue to pray forthe welfare of the Archdiocese, priests and nuns, and the entire people of God. I do wish them well. For the good of their spiritual lives, they do have to be in a real monastery in quiet contemplation without the baggage that the Archdiocese has foisted on them. It has been a tough journey for these nuns, with the deaths of community members and in their personal lives. If and when they do come back, they will be refreshed and made whole again.
My recommendation: Monsignor James as the new VG, Pal'e Mike as the Chancellor, Deacon Steve as the SARC, Father Paul in charge of Cathedral or Santa Barbara., Pal'e Richard Kidd back to Cathedral too as Vice Rector or Rector. Just some food for thought. Oh and Shut down RMS while you are at it. Thanks Archbishop Hon, God Bless
I'm glad the NCW ordinations are on-hold. We need the NCW ordinations to be stopped permanently. We will have a hard time getting rid of all the ordained and incardinated presbyters we have now.
No need to shut RMS down just leave our Catholic PEOPLE alone and go build your own Church but return all our funds tony gave or deposited to your account. Start out with ZERO balance and those neo that stays contribute to your own funds. STOP and oh please stop all 2nd Collection at all Parish as these funds goes to tony.
AnonymousJune 9, 2016 at 6:59 AM - Perhaps I remember incorrectly but I thought that Cardinal Hon Tai Fai was NCW-friendly..........
- I am sure that things were covered up the first time the Cardinal came to Guam but it cannot be true this time around. There are too many things that have come up and the whole world knows it. You cannot sweep the latest developments under the carpet. I am Praying to My True Catholic God to Bring Everything Back into His Precious Hands and to Deliver Guam's True Catholics Back into His Flock!
Oh, dumb me. I believed Edivaldo. Oh, well. Live and learn. Tomorrow is another day.
ReplyDeletePraise God! Let's all say a prayer of thanks.
ReplyDeleteLast line of Mary, mother of the church is wonderful!! Amen.
ReplyDeleteThere, there, Diana, what is your spin on this one as you have consistently demonstrated? Learn some #RESPECT, petty little girl!
ReplyDeleteDiana's reply would be ":)"
DeleteNo winner's lap yet, if you read carefully, while there is cause for satisfaction, there are many grey areas that will need clarification.
ReplyDeleteRepeat, no winners lap.
DeleteWhat about fist pumps? No?
DeleteMaybe one fist pump.....for now ;) Just don't overdo it.
DeletePerhaps I remember incorrectly but I thought that Cardinal Hon Tai Fai was NCW-friendly and that's why he did nothing after the investigation he led a year and a half ago on Guam.
DeleteI thought Savio Hon Tai Fai is an Archbishop. If he can untie all these knots he should be a Cardinal.
DeleteI believe this press release is official, but why is it not signed? Does the letterhead imply that it came straight from the Pope's desk?
ReplyDeleteNeocatechumenal Way was the best hiding place for a bishop with such a background. People must aware of this: Kiko teachings of not resisting evil do hide those crimes. Neocatechumenal Way preaches exactly the opposite of the position of Pope Francis about it. When a movement within catholic Church can be used to avoid justice, please start running away! JesusChrist cries with victims. Now, in front of this painfully cases, I will like to see Kiko and Gennarini crying for a banner with "please, go home". They called the Police just for it, while abused and really damaged are told in the Way not to resist the evil. Phalse prophets and pharisees! Now we understand the spurious interests of a bishop who was able to go against his sheeps resorting to lies and manipulation to defend the Neocatechumenal Way over all...his safe conduct.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Frenchie. While we hope this is the beginning of good news, let us not count our chickens before they're hatched. Let us continue to pray and be on our guard.
ReplyDeletecan I assume that my concerns will be addressed...
ReplyDelete1. find that document, or correct the ncw feast in accordance with statues.
2. send pius back to wherever, then submit his name to the "no fly list".
3. resolve the issue regarding ownership of the Yona property.
4. rms, are they accredited, and do we really need a seminary?
5. authorize Msgr James and Fr. Paul, to open a 24 oz can of brotherly whoop ass on the three stooges, then apply tar and feathers.
6. send the three stooges to new jersey (david, adrian, larry) after the whoop ass, with the tar and feathers, I'll pay for the cleaning.
7. require "diana" to a secluded life of prayer for all the BOLD FACE lies, and she be required to receive Holy Communion on the TONGUE, as penance.
8. setup a anniversary party to honor the birth of JungleWatch.
Yes, we must approach this with wide open eyes. We once let the wolf into the hen house once. Let's not do it again.
ReplyDeleteSeeing how Apuron is no longer in charge, could someone please tell him to stop making decrees, press releases etc.? Such a nuisance, I swear.
ReplyDeleteI know many think that it might be the right thing for Msgr. James to be restored as Rector of the Cathedral-Basilica but the thing is he has been there for TWENTY years (he has done a great job don't get me wrong) but we need the gifts of this outstanding priest elsewhere too. I think he should be Chancellor given the talents and abilities he has demonstrated.
ReplyDeleteMsgr. David should explain himself and apologize for allowing, or committing, any actions against the good of the faithful of the local church. I doubt that he will be removed as the Vicar General since he is the only priest incardinated in this archdiocese (that I'm aware of) who possesses a doctorate in Canon Law.
And onto Crystal No Balls: he's a lost cause. Get rid of this coward. Make him parochial vicar at St. Anthony like he did to other priests he didn't like.
Additionally we should involve the religious at the Chancery as well. The Jesuits possess great intelligence and the Capuchins have the know-how on helping the grass-roots of the local Church.
Let's not let this situation happen again. The Chancery needs to be transparent and we need to have priests/deacons there who are open and receiving of Catholics of all kinds, Neo or not. There should be no chance of this type of group forming again. With a diverse set of clergy and religious, we can avoid this.
I doubt if either Fr. Paul or Msgr. James want their old jobs back. What they want back is the opportunity to be treated justly as the Church requires. Both men should be restored to their original positions and then properly offered other positions where their gifts can be of greater service to the church.
DeleteAs for David remaining the VG. NO! It does not matter what degree he has. He has disqualified himself for any future service in the archdiocese by being the primary means for this flow of evil. I'm sure Archbishop Hon will soon discover it if he has not already. I will personally see to it that David is removed.
I agree with Tim, David is a lost cause. Plus he is not the only canon lawyer on Guam, apparently we have 4, I understand one is quite old, and the second one is as shy as he is talented.
DeleteI will share my analysis later, after some more research.
I agree with most of your comments, Anonymous 6/8/16 at 10:02p; however, I don't agree with sending Adrian to Tamuning. The parishioners benefitted from having Father Paul and Msgr James there -- no need to erase all that good by sending Adrian there. Has Adrian even preached lately? Does he know how to celebrate a Mass anymore? No, the parishioners of Tamuning don't need to be punished with his ilk.
DeleteI do agree that he should be disposed of, though. Send him somewhere he can think about all he's done, how he was able to rise through the ranks of the NCW, and how he eventually fell faaaaarrrrr back down to reality. Just make sure you hide the pots and pans.
Mons. David C Quitugua, the VG, is disqualified from any position of trust by publishing the bogus Certificate of Title in the November 29 Umatuna Si Yu'os.
DeleteThank you, Mr. Klitzkie, for all that you have done to bring openness,truth and healing to Guam's Church.
DeleteNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
DeleteI'm all for forgiving, but NOT the three stooges...
If the ncw wants to practice the days of old, in small communities, fine, great, I want to treat the three stooges with nothing less, in the old days the dirty, disgusting, and despicable, were tar and feathered, and sent packing, love the good ole days...
Just to look at Lurch the VG and shake his white clammy hand any man can figure him out. Completely disqualified. No judgement at all following male witch Putrid Pius. Oh, Putrid...your day is coming . Soak the yellow choppers. Company at your door. Who? Nope! Not the Generrinis.
DeleteRaymond @9:22
ReplyDeleteYes, that's for sure for sure! Promising letter, but beware.
This comment is off the track, but can someone answer if true or not that the Carmelite sisters are leaving Guam very soon. It pains me to hear this news. Please let's pray for their well-being and give them our sincerest thanks for the many years of supplication to God and our Mother for our welfare. If, by their departure, it brings a renewed spirit for the love of God in our lives, the sacrifice is most deserved. Archbishop Apuron, you need to be at the head of this line to bow and give thanks.
ReplyDeleteOk, Tim. You're going to personally see to it??? Joke
ReplyDeleteI personally saw to Aputon's removal. David will be easy. Joke. I'm not done, Adrian.
DeleteAgree with TIM 100%, David lost that title as he covered up for tony and Adrain.
DeleteThis is all fine and dandy but at what point are we going to see criminal charges handed down against Apuron? Don't tell me after all that has come to light in recent days that he won't face justice. Even if his victims opt not to press charges, one would think that the public prosecutor would have standing to bring a case on behalf of the people, no?
ReplyDeleteSoon there will be a public hearing on a bill to lift the statute of limitations. Be there.
DeleteAll Catholic to please support this BILL in order to bring JUSTICE to all our KIDS that is abused.
DeleteYes, it is sad to see the Carmelite nuns leave because their prayers are most needed here, but I am sure they will continue to pray forthe welfare of the Archdiocese, priests and nuns, and the entire people of God. I do wish them well. For the good of their spiritual lives, they do have to be in a real monastery in quiet contemplation without the baggage that the Archdiocese has foisted on them. It has been a tough journey for these nuns, with the deaths of community members and in their personal lives. If and when they do come back, they will be refreshed and made whole again.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous at 7:50 PM
ReplyDeleteSeldom to never are any press releases signed. They usually do not even have an attributed author.
While true. Given the confusing times. Few would know where this one comes from.
DeleteMy recommendation: Monsignor James as the new VG, Pal'e Mike as the Chancellor, Deacon Steve as the SARC, Father Paul in charge of Cathedral or Santa Barbara., Pal'e Richard Kidd back to Cathedral too as Vice Rector or Rector. Just some food for thought. Oh and Shut down RMS while you are at it. Thanks Archbishop Hon, God Bless
ReplyDeleteI'm glad the NCW ordinations are on-hold. We need the NCW ordinations to be stopped permanently. We will have a hard time getting rid of all the ordained and incardinated presbyters we have now.
DeleteNo need to shut RMS down just leave our Catholic PEOPLE alone and go build your own Church but return all our funds tony gave or deposited to your account. Start out with ZERO balance and those neo that stays contribute to your own funds. STOP and oh please stop all 2nd Collection at all Parish as these funds goes to tony.
Deletehttp://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope.francis.suspends.archbishop.of.guam.over.sex.abuse.allegations/87808.htm
ReplyDeleteWhat to do with Adrian? He's like a used diaper. And you know what used diapers look like and what to do with them.
ReplyDeleteAnonymousJune 9, 2016 at 6:59 AM - Perhaps I remember incorrectly but I thought that Cardinal Hon Tai Fai was NCW-friendly..........
ReplyDelete- I am sure that things were covered up the first time the Cardinal came to Guam but it cannot be true this time around. There are too many things that have come up and the whole world knows it. You cannot sweep the latest developments under the carpet. I am Praying to My True Catholic God to Bring Everything Back into His Precious Hands and to Deliver Guam's True Catholics Back into His Flock!