Thursday, September 22, 2016

INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY???

Posted by Tim

In his September 19 letter to Archbishop Hon, Ric Eusebio stated:

"common law says that every person is innocent till proven guilty.' 

Of course he said a lot of other ignorant things, but even people on our side are using this "misnomer." Let's educate ourselves. 
The presumption of innocence, an ancient tenet of Criminal Law, is actually a misnomer. According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the presumption of the innocence of a criminal defendant is best described as an assumption of innocence that is indulged in the absence of contrary evidence (Taylor v. Kentucky, 436 U.S. 478, 98 S. Ct. 1930, 56 L. Ed. 2d 468 [1978]). It is not considered evidence of the defendant's innocence, and it does not require that a mandatory inference favorable to the defendant be drawn from any facts in evidence.

Also, in the case of Apuron, should he be sued locally, this would be a civil action not a criminal action. The statute of limitations can only be lifted retroactively on civil claims not criminal charges. Thus even the word "guilty" does not apply. Apuron could be found "liable," not "guilty."

As for Church Law, there is no statute of limitations, so they can do whatever they want. And if history is any teacher, Apuron, even if he is found "guilty" of these monstrosities, will be given a cushy job as a rector of some Roman church, or more likely, he'll be Archbishop in Residence at Kiko's Domus Galilaea with his beloved Luis.

Here is Bob Klitzkie's more lengthy and scholarly treatment of this issue. Please, people on our side, read up so you don't sound as stupid as The Ric. 

57 comments:

  1. Cf. post of same title August 12 by.....

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    1. Thanks for the reminder, Bob. Just looked, and even though that was little more than a month ago, it is nearly 250 posts ago! Things are happening fast, but people like Eusebio keep up the ignorance. I updated my post to link to yours.

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  2. The pope needs to kick not only brother tony to the curb but all these neos who are in complete denial. Starting with their beloved brother tony and then followed by Diana and then their trained lawyer.

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    1. The boogeyman doctor should follow.

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  3. HON needs to kick not only brother tony to the curb but all these neos who are in complete denial. Starting with their beloved brother tony and then followed by Diana and then their trained lawyer.

    And we have to see to it that he does.

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    1. I agree with you, Bob the Builder. Justice needs to be served.

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    2. Bob the builder, can you do it? Bob the builder, YES WE CAN!!! Justice does need to be served with the youth and the elderly, all together as one

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    3. Hey Bob I did not know you were the Holy See! LMAO

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    4. Only a Neo will use the word Holy and LMAO in a sentence. Tsk tsk.

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  4. Natural law is enscribed in each of our hearts by God.we need apply the biblical sources of The Ten Commandments, Sermon on the Mount, and the Beatitudes (yes, i know the beatitudes are in the Sermon in the Mount). We need to be intellecutal with our responses.

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    1. We'all need Jesus.

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    2. I guess you casting the first stone at us, your righteousness.

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  6. This website is biased, just like your attitudes. #CheckYourself

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  7. honestly fuck this bro. I blame the colonizers of 1439, the ones led by Abraham Lincoln! If the south hadn't won, we wouldn't be having this problem! I'm telling you, apuron is innocent because it was THE BRITISH!
    #goguamorgohome #xfiles #foodforthots

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    1. hi neni. Pls go back and do your paper work

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    2. 1439? Abraham Lincoln? South won? Either your being facetious or you flunked history! Biased attitudes? LOL. The Jungles not a place for children.

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    3. ANON 9:04....please take your meds.

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    4. Somebody forgot to take their meds this morning. LOL!!

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    5. Glaucon Jr, take a grammar class.

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    6. OK CATHOLICS NOW LET'S GET IN FORMATION. PRAY TRICK OR GET EXCOMMUNICATED.

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    7. Honey, how about you take care of the church and i'll take care of my meds.

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  8. As a member of the CCYOG, I find this whole this to be pathetic. We need to realize the next generation can be affected by this negatively. We NEED TO STOP with the Division and go Follow through with Gods plans.

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    1. LOL. I guess you are the arbiter of God's plan.

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    2. Is it such a laughing matter that you have to "laugh out loud" at someone who wants change in the local Church? Also, it is pertinent to stay in school and worry about the future that you are bringing upon by chastising anyone who doesn't agree with your views. Stop with the hyper partisanship.

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    3. Is that you Ric? LOL!

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    4. LOL! Now Ric taking the place of Fr. Rudy...awww Ric if you can't beat fr. rudy--you finally figured it our, join him..lol

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    5. They can star as a travelling circus of clowns: Ric and Rudy, the Kaka Duo.

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  9. The NCW is puking KAKA as they feel the HEAT! Ric is a pathetic example of "brain washed". I feel sorry for his family. So many have been deceived by the NCW heresy. Kiko would have everyone believe that Guam is a NEO Diocese. LOL. Less than 1% and falling. The light of TRUTH has the kakaroaches looking for a dark place to hide.

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    1. Ha ha ha! I like the "kakaroaches" reference. Made me think of another, "kakamonas" but maybe not really because our taotaomonas protect us and guide our way. The kakaroaches, on the other hand, hide in the dark and scatter when light is shown. Their magic word to warn others to scatter, "JOY!" When they admonish others for disobedience they cry, "PIUS!" and they freeze in fear of sulfur sprinkling.

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    2. Don't think Ric's brain is "washed", it is "fried" to a crisp.
      Ric, you're so full of it...hot air!!!

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  10. Eusebio is a complete idiot. All neos love the DRAMA. That's why they love to publicly confess their personal laundry. It's the attention they receive. Screw Eusabio, Diana, their stinkin followers and their mission to steal a diocese that was never theirs to begin with.

    Here's to you brother tony, "YOU'RE THE BIGGEST IDIOT WHO SOLD THE FAITH OUT!" You run and hide from all the faithful rather than face them. Only cowards run. If you believe you're so innocent, than face the flock. Simple as that.

    Brother tony, you have brought so much attention and unwanted shame on this islands faith. You took the island for a ride and you gig is over. But no worries cause you will have to face our Lord Jesus, just like all of us will one day. Just remember your health isn't the greatest. 😷

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  11. Ric Eusebio is saying that NCW is NOT the problem. I agree. The problems were the arrogance of Apuron and the blind adherence of neos to aberrant practices of NCW. As has been explained here on JW, our complacency has made it easier for the influx of this cult. There were irregularities and unresolved issues in the Archdiocese before the NCW upset the balance of power in the local church. Apuron's weaknesses, both personal and professional, made it easy for opportunists to take advantage of its vulnerabilities. The cultural instincts of generosity, acceptance and trust worked against the local people in this case, resulting in open season for the NCW. There are respectable people in NCW that totally got suckered into the concept of persecution, public act of contrition, giving up of family property, total obedience and all the other manipulations of a cult-like brain control. Despite denials and protestations by NCW leadership, unsettling issues have been exposed on JW long before NCW established their roots. Did we listen? No! Did the Church listen? How can it when Apuron at the helm ruled as an absolute potentate!

    Ric Eusebio complains that everyone is bent on closing down RMS. Yes, we are! No doubt about it! (Well, the fog of ownership has to be dispelled as well as stymie the meddling of Filoni in our affairs first.) First, because we cannot afford the maintenance of that property. Second, because it has no value-added benefit to the Archdiocese of Agana. It is an instrument of NCW to validate their communities. It is a money-guzzling liability whose products cannot function in normal parish communities, if ever they remain on-island. It is not for the formation towards Diocesan Priesthood whose numbers have dwindled due to the program of "purging by attrition" courtesy of the eschewed priorities of the Archdiocese under ASA, DQC, AFC and other individuals lurking in the shadows. We are better served in sending local young men to established houses of formation to discern their vocation. We hope that when they become bona fide Catholic priests they can impart sound pastoral presence and guidance that the Catholic community deserve.

    Based on reports from multiple parishioners I find it difficult to shake off a feeling that graduated presbyters of RMS and BDI were taught warped ecclesiology that is not healthy for them and for us. I do not know why that is a nagging feeling. I hope I am wrong.
    Father Efren

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    2. You got it Fr. Efren and your feelings are totally founded, but where are your colleagues? Obedience is not a "safe haven" when faced with adversity, especially evil.

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    3. Ric Eusebio used NEO Cult Presbyter Alberto as a prime example of the fruits of RMS. Because of his defunked formation; his first act as Pastor was to abolish the Parish Council. You are very correct Father Efren; the products of RMS, as proven with the illicit and deceptive actions of NEO Cult Presbyter Alberto, are a money guzzling liability that fails to function in our Catholic Communties. Archbishop Hon should send someone to audit all parishes with a NEO Cult Pastor. Since there is no accountability system, all of the parish resources may have been given away to the NCW.

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  12. Who were these colonisers of 1439? And what did Abraham Lincoln and the British have to do with our problems? The references escape me. Just asking, because I'm not getting it!

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    1. I dun git it too. went right between the legs...

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  13. Poor NEO's...their world is crumbling around them. The curtain has been pulled back for all the world to see. Everyone now knows about their fake priests from their fake seminary for their fake religion. Where can they turn to now? True Catholics have always said 'practice as you wish' but in your own places of worship. Don't involve our church in your heresy. Dr. Ric has a big enough house with a big enough garage...he can start having his 'invitation to joy' there! Clap! Clap!

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    1. Clap! Clap! Hallelujah! Party at Ric's house! Clap! Clap! Hallelujah! For sure, for sure!

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  14. If I understand the position of the Church. They are not against the lifting of the limitation. They are against the culpability extending to the Church. Poor Apuron. Another case of being thrown under the bus. The Church is putting up a fund to help the victims. Why. Because they know they are culpable. Now, isn't that like letting the rapist determine how much help he will give his victim(s). To not let this bill go thru is extending the agony/anxiety of the victims. They are saying to them. You've waited this long to come out. What is another year or two. SMH.

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  15. The RMS spent a total of $2,755 for Spiritual Formation and $37,317 for the Gala Dinner. Is there a problem that you can identify Ric? Never mind it's just the bogeyman!!

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    1. Could it be that they consider themselves the elect, the chosen one, The only way, and since they are close to heaven only require $2,755.00 worth of spirituality, while the rest of us are broke and are lost? What a bunch of crock this NCW cult is. Ric Eusabio is exhibit A idioto of NCW.

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  16. The LFM group should be told some official NCW anecdotes about the groups visiting the Kiko's Domus Galilaeae, better if told by some kiko's sporting the mandatory smug face.

    Once there was a group of young Israeli soldiers, brought around the premises of the Domus with assault rifles to their shoulders.

    Another anecdote circulating in Italian NCW communities in Rome a few months ago was about a group of rabbis visiting the Domus: the Domus managers had to buy brand new linen for all the rooms.

    This "neo-hospitality" couldn't be applied to the LFM group two weeks ago, because:

    1) the LFM group didn't have assault rifles, not even a gun;

    2) the LFM group was not a group of rabbis with high purity ritual standards, not even a Jew in the group.

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  17. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)September 22, 2016 at 3:40 PM

    I just read an article in the PDN of Ric Eusabio’s rebuttal media interview to Fr. Jeff’s press conference yesterday about the NCW being troublemakers to the local Church. Mr. Eusabio is quoted as having said, “And so I don’t know how many altar boys there are that have been molested by priests, but I’m willing to bet that there are more people, more kids out there who have been involved in incestuous relationships, who have been molested by somebody with authority in government of Guam, AND THAT’S WHO I WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE BILL, and that’s why I think that need not be signed by the governor and should go back to the Legislature,” Eusebio said. What in idiot! Obviously, he either didn’t read Bill 326-33 or he didn’t understand it --- the bill applies to all institutions, including government! What an idiot! The few NCW spokespersons I have read in the media are so ill informed --- Pius, Jacquie-the-Trained-Lawyer, “Diana” (whoever they are).

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    1. Thanks, Rose. Suing the government is a bit different. GovGuam has what is called "sovereign immunity," and while there is a provision on Guam law for the immunity to be waived and to hold the government accountable for negligence or complicity, it would still have to be legislated differently. Mr. Eusebio is welcome to do the hard work that we did and work with the legislature to introduce such legislation, but the truth is that he is lazy.

      He is only floating this argument to deflect which is why he continues to try to cast this bill as only targeting the church. It doesn't. This bill puts not only perpetrators and institutions on notice, but any individual who aided and abetted the perpetrator. This is the real reason our clergy are now opposing the bill and want the governor to veto it. Eusebio has no interest in helping "more kids," which is why he was completely silent about the bill until now.

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    2. Rose de los Reyes (Seattle, WA)September 22, 2016 at 11:30 PM

      Thank you, Tim. I was thinking of public schools, juvenile jails and government run juvenile rehabilitation facilities/programs and the like. In my mind I lumped those with "government." Tim, are those public entities I just mentioned protected by sovereign immunity? I hope that they are not.

      To me, the force of Bill 326-33 is the institutional liability component which is why the Church leadership and Mr. Eusabio (and his newly formed Apuron Fan Club, Familian Mangatoliku Siha Pari Si Apuron) oppose it. Some know or have known or were even in direct experience of "something," possibly for several years and decades, that put them in the category of aiding and abetting. In addition to “for the protection of the Church and its assets,” to some Church leaders (both Katolikus and NCW) their fear of Bill 326-33 applies to them personally as aiders and abetters.

      Moving forward, with such a law as Bill 326-33 in the books, Church and other institutions subject to this law will be forced to have policies and response procedures in place relating to child sexual abuse. In the hey-day of child molestation cases here in the mainland, our then Seattle Archbishop Brunette formed a task force to recommend procedures on how to respond to reports of child sexual abuse in the Church. One of the recommendations, which the Archdiocese adopted, was the simultaneous reporting to the Church and to law enforcement authorities. That way, both entities perform their immediate independent investigations. This will assure those who report such cases that the matter will be taken seriously, as opposed to, in the past, those “in the know” may not have bothered to report because of the sense that the reporting will go nowhere. That was the culture then. This is why, I believe, that some who fall in the “aided and abetted” category unknowingly fell in this category because they felt that reporting will go nowhere. This is another reason that the Bill 326 should be passed! So that those who have knowledge of child sexual abuse in the Church and report it will be confident that an investigation will be performed --- let those investigations reveal what they will.

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  18. Good thing I never bought any of the CDs of that "You want my CD and picture" archbishop. Imagine if you have one. I think now that Hon has asked the Holy See to remove and replace that archbishop, can KOLG stop playing his songs and also replace the saying of the rosary led by him and supported by "I was also at Agat at that time" dakon.

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  19. Back to innocent until proven guilty. Absolutely wrong!

    As my grandmother explained: you are either innocent or guilty, no matter what the court says. If you take a cookie from the cookie jar, but your mother can never prove who took it, does that make you innocent?

    No. You're guilty even if you are never charged.

    Innocent until proven guilty is nothing more than a feel good saying so people can feel good about themselves.

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    1. So more than three creditable people have come out and accused apurun of sexual/molestation abuse and some people are still saying "Innocent Until Proven Guilty"! I have seen court cases found "Guilty" with less than this! Praying to God for the Governor to sign this bill!

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