Friday, October 14, 2016

NEOCATECHUMENAL TITHES AND COLLATERAL MATTERS

Posted by LaPaz, Jungle Watch Correspondant from Spain.
Finally, in Neocatechumenal Insider's View it has been recognized the existance of the tithes. Good. Obligatory tithes "for wine, flowers, bread and other consumables" and, attention, "for the evangelization". At least, Diana! For the first time you have said exactly what we wanted you to recognize in public: 
EVANGELIZATION REQUIRES MONEY!!!!!!

Yes, Diana, we already knew it. But everytime somebody pronounces the damn word "money", all neocatechumenals around the world do rend their garments. 
1. In the Way, nothing is for free for the most of walkers. All neocatechumenals of the world who have passed their Second Scrutiny are "forced" to tithe. Do not tell us melodies such "they are invited" to tithe. No. They are invited to pay it mandatorily. Do you know why Kiko never says "it is a must" to tithe? Because tithes do not appear in the Statutes. Then, tithes do not exist officially. Then, there is no evidence of the tithes. Then, Kiko can not require tithes by written order. Also, the Neocatechumenal Way is governed by "oral tradition". If Kiko says "white", "white" adquires "status of law". 
I do not care if you pay your flowers or your car with your community's tithes. It is not my business. I am worried about the fact that neocatechumenals have to tithe when the catholic Church abolished tithes so many time ago. Final point. 
2. Families in mission are not those heroes who travel without anything as neocatechumenals say. They do not live with one hand in front and one hand behind. If they leave their home with a bank mortage, their original community has to pay for it monthly. Also, they pay for their airplane tickets. And also they send for that family helping money periodically. 


The communities in the place they arrive also help them with money, house and cleaning and everything. A common practice is the diocese of destiny helps offering an employee for parents, as recently somebody wrotte in a commentary, which means the diocese includes him/her/them in the pay roll. The NCW -through any of its foundations ad hoc- reimburses the money for the diocese (pay for the imaginary job).

For example, there is a spanish family who went to Guam in neocatechumenal mission and the father is an associate professor in Guam University. It is nice. In Spain with our terrible crisis it is very probable he could not have that work. For more information, since this big crisis started, the number of "vocational families" of the NCW has increased a lot. Nice. It is a new career. If you stay home, there is no job. If you stand up for the mission, you will have a job, any job any where, but at least you could survive. 

Of course, Diana, everybody with common sense already thought families in mission do not live from the air!
Why Kiko and neocatechumenals as you are not enough honest to recognize it since first moment? Why are you feeding that stupid legend of "all is given for free"? Maybe Kiko should say "free taxes". One day Kiko and the Way will be asked to render numbers. 


3. What a wonderful thing is to be a black label itinerant catechist! You have all you need without working and without paying taxes. That is the most VIP condition in the NCW: you became the maximum responsible of evangelizing anywhere and you win the lottery. This is the only case I know it is true "all is free".
Kiko is the top of the tops, of course. Think on Gennarini. Think on whoever. I know better those cases of Spanish responsible-itinerants. What do you need? Home, car, school, food, clothes...? 

I know a family with two united homes, a big van (the latest and the more expensive, of course), more than a dozen child in the best schools and high-schools and universities. All for free. He has been without a job since some decades ago. That is their "Divine Providence", which consists in a large amount of money which comes from the tithes of the Way for evangelization. The "LOL" is that family is from Spain and also lives in Spain! But since the moment they are itinerants and responsible of catechizing, they live everything included and all for free. 

Of course, Diana, somebody pays for it. They need money for live as you as me. Exactly the same. Kiko never has pocket money, why? Because he hasn't to pay for anything anywhere. Does it mean things are for free? No. 

Does it mean Kiko is hungry and a sandwich comes from heaven? No. Somebody pays for that sandwich. Somebody pays for his clothes, his cars, his helicopters, his holydays, his paintings, his guitars, even his W.C. paper. Somebody pays for it, always! All his wonderful life lies over thousands of people's spines who work for money and who give their tithes.


I only want to make a clarification on your words for Mr. Terlaje. When you say a part of the tenths is given for poor people who are not into the Way, let me tell that might be very few times along your life as neocatechumenal who pays the tenth. And sorry but I do not belive you personally went to give that money to that family, unless you were the responsible of your community and you were obligated to do it by your catechist after your community's Second Scrutiny rite. 

The tithes serves the same purpose. When the community starts to tithe, we use the money collected from the tithes to purchase the wine, flowers, bread, and other consumables used for the celebration, which is held twice a week: the Eucharist and the Celebration of the word. The tithes are also used for the evangelization. After all, how did you think the mission families and itinerants survive without money? When a mission family or itinerant arrives, they are either placed in the seminary or a brother's home. The money is used for their food and other needs until they find a job and can live on their own. It has always been the communities who helped the itinerants and mission families during the evangelization. Like a family, we help each other out especially the brothers in dire need.

As for the second scrutiny, any money and items that was given by the brothers is not kept by the NCW. All items are sold, and all the money is given away. A small portion goes to the Archdiocese of Agana as donation and the rest is given to the poor. A family living in poverty and who is NOT walking in the Way is identified, and that money is given to them. That is the truth.

You do not know what is taught at the catechesis. You already came with a pre-judgement, believing in rumors like Archbishop Apuron hiding in the seminary.

I finished the second scrutiny a couple years back. The family we identified did not even go to our parish,but they were living in very poor living conditions. When we gave the money to them, we tell them that the money came from the parish, and the parish priest is there with us. People don't know that the money came from the Way because we don't announce that it came from us. We always say that it came from the parish, and the parish priest is always there to accompany us. It's also our hope that the family we help would eventually come to the parish, not because the parish gave them money.......but because the church is there to save their souls.
People should know when a community has the Second Scrutiny rite, all the things thrown in the "caldero" (cauldron) by each brother and sister (envelopes with great amounts of money, jewerly...even the keys of a car or a house...personal belongings, etc.), the responsible has to sell everything to turn it into cash. Once with aaaaaaaaaaaall the money in hand, he has to deliver a part for poor people. 

If you are not the responsible of the community, forgive me but you will not visit any poor people out of the Way to give the money from the cauldron. The responsible has not to give any information about which family or which poor receives the money from the cauldron. The parish priest does not have to go with the responsible to give that money to any body. So, I am sorry but only if you are the responsible of your community, you could know how much and for who was given that money of the cauldron. 

What about if you really, Diana, were the responsible of your community and that story was true? I do not belive it because then you will be talking more than allowed. You could never tell anything about it, even if a brother or a sister of your community asks you. Less if you use a public blog to say it, knowing that non neocatechumenal people do read your blog. 
That is why nor you nor the anonymous could talk about it. 
All you tell about that money from the cauldron, Diana, does not mean it would be done as usual each month with the tithes of a neocatechumenal community. The most of times, tithes are not enough for the many needings of common families with common incomes and a lot of children, as the Way demands, in just the one same community.

Handling the tithes is one of the most dangerous task in the Neocatechumenal Way. Dangerous because not every responsible is able to manage it ethically and fairly. It is very, very strange to know a responsible truly responsible with it. Corruption corrupts. In the Way is very easy to be corrupted by the little privileges Kiko has given for some people in some steps of the pyramid. 

"Capos" (Kapos) in concentration camps did not have great privileges according with our comsumerist and materialistic mind. Only little ones were more than enough. Because of they were so little and so few, each privilege was too valued. You do not need to offer great things for people whom you have stolen even their human dignity. Capos, the privileged ones, were prisoners as well, but they were corrupted by nazis. To be a capo was such a double inmorality, if it is possible to talk about morality within a whole death and evil structure. 

In the Neocatechumenal Way there is so little space to be your self that the most stupid things are turned on "privileges" where the ego has to grab. For example, being placed at first line during a mass with the archibishop at the cathedral. For example, being the first in knowing certain new on Kiko and Carmen. For example, being in the same table with "X" brother or sister for dinner during a convivence. For example, being the choosen to sing the "Exultet" during the Paschal Vigil...

I have seen the worst behaviours in that sense during my times in the Neocatechumenal Way. Those stupid things are subject to "influence pedding". In the Way, too many things work through that "influence pedding". A real shame. The Way's inner structure promotes it. And the first ones who play that game are catechists and responsibles (of course, priests are not far from it). 

Money has a role on that corruptible structure. Miraculously there are brothers for whom never there is enough money from tithes. Tithes first go to RM's seminarians or the responsible's family, then to others. I remember my responsible and his large family always had a gardener, a woman to help with cleaning at home, etc. when he supposedly was unemployed. In the other hand, only few times the tithes reached for a poor woman of my community, whose husband did not liked the Way, despite their six children and their economical difficulties. 

The privileges over the tithes were so elocuent that many brothers and sisters decided not to throw the tithes in the communitarian bag to buy food and medicines for that woman and her family. The catechist was the father of the responsible's wife, so he was not interested on listening in public any problem related with them. He just didn't allow any "criticism" about them. I know many similar cases in communities from all around the world, despite the joyful experiences of holy Diana in Guam.

It is known there are some black labeled families in the Way who occupy all best positions in the Way: the better places to go for a mission, the better seminaries to be formed as a priest, being one of the neo-orchestra travelling around the world, being one of a team of Kiko's helpers...being the most trustful person of a RM Rector, etc. etc.

Gennarini's son already recognized they deserve the best as their "salary" for evangelization. They carry the best new for people: the faith. They do reign over richness. We, in the opposite, do serve Madmona and that is why are concerned about money and the Way.
Shame on you!

Dear Anonymous at 2:32 pm,

The NCW does not have money. It's members earn income from their regular jobs. If there is a need in the community, the brothers in the community will give out money to meet those needs. I decide where my money should go, Anonymous. Each member decides on their own who and where they will donate their money.

Be careful, Diana, one thing are sporadic donations and another one is the tenth. 
When a donation is periodic, it becomes a source of periodicaly incomes for the one who receives it. 
If you go for lunch and dinner at your mother's home for the rest of your life, there are countries where you will have to declare or reflect that value in your professional taxes bill. 
Maybe that is a very simple example, the thing is to understand the concept of periodic incomes (in cash or in kind) or periodic goods. 
The umbrella which covers Kiko and the Way til today is "tax free" because of the consideration of donations. But when a parish priest receives 3.000 dollars each month during ten years from a same source, it is clear donations turn on periodic incomes, a fix extra money along the time. 
It is different.
Official donations are reflected on a certificate. Under table incomes do not. 
The problem is not around your good willing as giver, the problem is with the one who receives it periodicaly along the time and unofficially. 


29 comments:

  1. All true. Take it from someone who has been 20 plus years in the community as Cantor, itinerant, catechist, and ex-seminarian.

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    1. wow, that's a long time, God Bless you!

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  2. The NCW IS all a SHAM! I work hard for the money that I earn. I work 12hr days and when I get home will continue to stay up to cook and feed my family. So in reality I am awake 18hrs on the days I work. I'm sure there are folks that do the same. So for me to give money to fund this fake seminary (RMS) is a total SHAM, just so that the seminarians could live richly. I would rather give my donations to the poor folks who are begging hand outs on the streets!

    It's a real shame how the NCW spend the money it receives from the church for many many years. It's sad how many of these folks have been brainwashed by Tony and his co-Horts, why? Because of GREED for power and money! It's just so sad all the way around.

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    1. One never hears NCW seminarian or priest speak with enthusiasm about Mother (now St.) Teresa. She lived in poverty, humility and selflessly as they should but don't. She lived like Jesus did but the NCW priests and seminarians aren't interested in living like Jesus. They prefer to live like Kiko.

      Agnes

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  3. MAN-ol-man, I offer anyone visiting/viewing/searching Jungle Watch to get inform with this whole mess...please click on the APURON'S CRIMES in the Heading above and see why we're protesting, picketting and demanding the Antionio Sablan Apuron be DEFROCK and for NCW to RETURN the Yona property back to the patrimony of the Archdiocese of Agana.

    Consider this an open invitation to join us in our fight to take back our church and kick the NCW out of Guam permanently.

    "There is nothing concealedthat will not be revealed, nor secret that will not be known." Lk 12:1-7 Please reflect on this, today's gospel. Stay informed, Esta!

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  4. Thank you for your very informative articles. NCW is expanding in my community. I attended the initial catechumenate sessions and smelled a skunk. I've approached a couple of non-NCW priests with my concerns and to my surprise they are not too familiar with NCW. I relayed some of the teachings/statements from the catechumenate but they are so outlandish that I don't think the priests took me seriously. Is there any way I can get a hold of the scripts used for the initial catechumen? I am trying to spread the word and educate my friends and fellow parishioners before it's too late.

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  5. The NCW is also in my parish, missionary families were brought in to help grow the NCW. The missionary families claim that they were sent by the Pope. When we enquired some-more about "being sent by the Pope", the said that they were asked to attend a Papal mass for the NCW and received blessings to be missionaries.

    This happens with almost any other organisation in the Church that has a Papal mass, therefore many others can also lay claim to being sent by the Pope (all the 3 million young people in WYD 2016 (Poland) can also say that the Pope sent them). What a blatant exaggeration (speaking in half truths). The NCW is a sham, a heresy in the Church.

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    1. Absolutely true, they feel uniques and special, they think they are the only son, the most beautiful, the most clever, the most of the most and of the worst.

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  6. This may seem like a little thing, but it has always irked me that money is used to buy flowers for the edge of the top of the altar. Then, after the Mass is over, these flowers that were bought for the Mass are then given to each of the participants to take home. How is it that one gives flowers (although they are not supposed to be on the altar) for Jesus, then they take them (flowers) away from Him.
    If flowers were put in a vase in front of the altar where they are supposed to be, then they can be left for our Lord in front of the Tabernacle, could they not? Why should these flowers be taken away from our Lord. Thank you.

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    1. You are right, they take the flowers away because they have to pray Lauds at home on Sunday morning, they need to have some flowers for their "domestic church".

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    2. Johnstone, Did you know that is where your flower donation money goes?

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  7. Anon at 9.58Am

    Don't let their apathy and ignorance put you off.

    Part I – http://www.filedropper.com/ncwcatecheticaldirectoryvol1part1-copy
    Part II – http://www.filedropper.com/ncwcatecheticaldirectoryvol1part2-copy
    Part III - http://www.filedropper.com/ncwcatecheticaldirectoryvol1part3-copy
    Part IV - http://www.filedropper.com/ncwcatecheticaldirectoryvol1part4-copy

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    1. Excellent! Thank you!

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    2. Would be good if we can also download Volumes 2-13

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  8. This is an excellent article LaPaz!

    I would like you to know how much your work is appreciated. You lend a credibility to the problems we see ourselves, and articulate them so well. Thank you sincerely.

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    1. Ditto on 12:04 PM's comment! It is always inspiring and the information is always on the money LaPaz!

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  9. I'm doubled over because the resounding echo that has penetrated my soul from reading this makes me overwhelmed that I didn't speak to my community. That I didn't question louder. That I didn't fight more. I walked away. That was difficult. I shudder to think had I not walked away that I would have walked my son to hell.

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    1. I'm curious about the mandatory tithes. Do you need to submit your tax returns?

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    2. Do not feel guilty, please. They want you to feel guilty, when they were who had to feel like that. Fight now and here, your voice is necessary for Guam people.

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  10. Thank you Lapaz for this great article. This confirms what my whole discussion with Diana was all about. The Protestants call this the Prosperity Gospel and the only ones that are prospering are the leadership. God bless you and to all that have seen the Light and came back to the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Biba Katoliku!

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  11. Remedial Mental Stooges

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  12. Dear LaPaz, your efforts in exposing the rules of the Neocatechumenal game are much appreciated! I would also like to ask for your opinion about the following: It is more than clear that the Neocatechumenal way is a paraliturgical sect striving to take advantage on people and control them, that there is a huge problem within the Catholic Church caused by the Neocatechumenal Way, and that Vatican can't sort it out on its own due to its inner schism. Observing the recent initiative of the people of Guam in terms of using the civil law to protect the traditional Catholics from the Neocatechumenal Way when it comes to child sexual abuse, I wonder how are the chances to take the Church before the civil tribunal under the charge of the extortion of money and deception through the deliberate manipulation of consciousness of the faithful (done by the Neocatechumenal Way)? I will try to explain it in other words: Let's imagine that the Church is a language school, registered to provide an education in Italian language, and people freely go there having full confidence that they will learn and practice Italian. But there are some people working in the school who want to impose Spanish, so they menage to convince a certain number of teachers to participate in the action of providing permission from the school's authority to teach Spanish under the tag of Italian, counting that Italian and Spanish for many unsuspected and uneducated students look and sound similar. Due to high level of lexical similarities (82%) between Spanish and Italian, the school starts to secretly teach Spanish to its unsuspected and uneducated students, letting them believe that they are learning Italian and knowing that the students struggle to discern on their own that these are not the same languages. The final outcome is that some students pay Italian language course in Italian language school but learn Spanish language without being conscious of that fact, and in spite of the firm evidences saying that these two languages have the difference among themselves that might be small in percentage but great in significance. The bottom line is that the school is hiding not only the fact that they teach students the language other than expected without student's conscious and consent, but also that the difference between these two languages is basically a matter of life or death. Now, this doesn't seem legal and moral, does it? So, according to your understanding, is there any civil law that can protect the Catholic faithful from such an obvious deception?

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    1. Civil laws would vary by location. For Guam, we have laws in place that would permit us to go after RMS for fraud as well as Apuron, each member of the board, and anyone else associated with the scam. We are waiting for Hon to do the right thing, but be assured, if he doesn't, then we will. This is why we must continue to financially support CCOG. We are now 38 days away from the deadline. The clock is ticking for Hon.

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    2. Thank you, Tim! I do understand that in a certain way people of Guam have a good position and high chances to bring the NCW before the tribunal on Guam, which is a difficult but Holy duty. However, I wonder if there exist any international body that we could ask for impartial mediation or judgement on our issue, or even open the case regarding the Catholic Church (meaning the hierarchical and governmental institution situated in Vatican) going against the Catholic faithful (meaning the global community of faithful seen as the Body of Christ)? Can we somehow bring this religious conspiracy against the Body of Christ on the global level and go united (no matter from which country our experiences come) against the Neocatechumenal Way? I mean, if the Neocatechumenal Way is an international organization that is established out of the Church and operates on the global level, there must be some international law that they need to respect, no? Though they have an authorization from the Pope to "do their shows for the Catholic audience" (it doesn't even matter if it is true or not), what they do is a wrongdoing all around the world that should be banned. How could we verify under which tag (other than "criminal" and "parareligious") the Neocatechumenal Way is founded and to what kind of law it should be subjected?

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    3. Dear Dominican Soul: Your example is good, although I have to confess I prefer to speak with an Italian person even not knowing a word in Italian than with a German, language unknown as well by me. But surely an Italian and I could comunicate somehow.
      I am not sure if the catholic Church does not move a finger because she can not or because she is not interested in. I was one of the happiest when Cardinal Ratzinger wasl ellected as the Pope, with all my hopes on Him to stop the Way. But He did not do it. For many years I though He was lied. But I started realizing He knew enough and Kiko was faster than Him. Look at Maciel and LoC. I not optimistic the Church has learned the lesson. I am sorry but I am not optimistic at all. I hope we, the people, will open the eyes of many who are blind. Guam is making the difference.

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    4. I would like to investigate the options we could use independently of the current interest of the Catholic Church (meaning the official Vatican). Even Saint Paul II was the supporter of both, Legionaries of Christ and Neocatechumenal Way, so we can't expect Francis to do something. That is why I observe the other possibilities, like the International Court of Justice in The Hague. According to the Wikipedia, this court has heard cases related to war crimes, illegal state interference, ethnic cleansing, and other issues, so it might be helpful in our situation. Of course, that is just a thought. Otherwise, can you tell me what is the legal status of the NCW as an organization and where is its seat?

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  13. Anonymous 8.48, I wonder (from my nearly 30 years experience around this "Way") whether variations in practice are maintained to assist "deniability" or whether my "itinerants" were lax (being of an older generation) or whether for a specific reason a word was whispered in my responsibles' ear to avoid pressuring me individually (probably all three are true) (I now know of a great many members and non-members alike, in my district, including some clergy, who have been damaged by this "Way"). Responsibles never say what proportion was given to itinerants or clergy after the poor of the "community" have had some - though they objectively should. I have a lot more information about the money side which nuances what is coming out, but doesn't make it look much better.

    Oral practices that contradict published statutes are rife in the NCW (likewise, texts allegedly "approved" are different from teachings in use at any time). E.g the Way is supposed to stop after 10 years - before they tell you any of their inaccurate doctrines about prayer.

    I sometimes (but not always) saw flower and wine money collected separately from the tithe. It struck me that separately is better. The "responsible" that cut corners the worst shouldn't have been allowed to be it, but the members in that town were too far gone not to vote him back in.

    Table flowers have the stalks cut off.

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    1. Yes, in my community and my parish catechists told us to separate money for "consumables", as Diana says, from the tithes. And it is true responsibles never give explanations about the proportion of money given to each chapter. In fact, I knew more about the destinations of the tithes once I left the Way, talking with former members who were responsibles and reading several testimonies.
      And once I have left I have discovered the foundations of the NCW, etc. All those things are Top Secret for the members and while you are into, you do not ask, just obey. Thank you for your comment.

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