All true. Take it from someone who has been 20 plus years in the community as Cantor, itinerant, catechist, and ex-seminarian.
wow, that's a long time, God Bless you!
The NCW IS all a SHAM! I work hard for the money that I earn. I work 12hr days and when I get home will continue to stay up to cook and feed my family. So in reality I am awake 18hrs on the days I work. I'm sure there are folks that do the same. So for me to give money to fund this fake seminary (RMS) is a total SHAM, just so that the seminarians could live richly. I would rather give my donations to the poor folks who are begging hand outs on the streets!It's a real shame how the NCW spend the money it receives from the church for many many years. It's sad how many of these folks have been brainwashed by Tony and his co-Horts, why? Because of GREED for power and money! It's just so sad all the way around.
One never hears NCW seminarian or priest speak with enthusiasm about Mother (now St.) Teresa. She lived in poverty, humility and selflessly as they should but don't. She lived like Jesus did but the NCW priests and seminarians aren't interested in living like Jesus. They prefer to live like Kiko.Agnes
MAN-ol-man, I offer anyone visiting/viewing/searching Jungle Watch to get inform with this whole mess...please click on the APURON'S CRIMES in the Heading above and see why we're protesting, picketting and demanding the Antionio Sablan Apuron be DEFROCK and for NCW to RETURN the Yona property back to the patrimony of the Archdiocese of Agana.Consider this an open invitation to join us in our fight to take back our church and kick the NCW out of Guam permanently. "There is nothing concealedthat will not be revealed, nor secret that will not be known." Lk 12:1-7 Please reflect on this, today's gospel. Stay informed, Esta!
Thank you for your very informative articles. NCW is expanding in my community. I attended the initial catechumenate sessions and smelled a skunk. I've approached a couple of non-NCW priests with my concerns and to my surprise they are not too familiar with NCW. I relayed some of the teachings/statements from the catechumenate but they are so outlandish that I don't think the priests took me seriously. Is there any way I can get a hold of the scripts used for the initial catechumen? I am trying to spread the word and educate my friends and fellow parishioners before it's too late.
The NCW is also in my parish, missionary families were brought in to help grow the NCW. The missionary families claim that they were sent by the Pope. When we enquired some-more about "being sent by the Pope", the said that they were asked to attend a Papal mass for the NCW and received blessings to be missionaries. This happens with almost any other organisation in the Church that has a Papal mass, therefore many others can also lay claim to being sent by the Pope (all the 3 million young people in WYD 2016 (Poland) can also say that the Pope sent them). What a blatant exaggeration (speaking in half truths). The NCW is a sham, a heresy in the Church.
Absolutely true, they feel uniques and special, they think they are the only son, the most beautiful, the most clever, the most of the most and of the worst.
This may seem like a little thing, but it has always irked me that money is used to buy flowers for the edge of the top of the altar. Then, after the Mass is over, these flowers that were bought for the Mass are then given to each of the participants to take home. How is it that one gives flowers (although they are not supposed to be on the altar) for Jesus, then they take them (flowers) away from Him. If flowers were put in a vase in front of the altar where they are supposed to be, then they can be left for our Lord in front of the Tabernacle, could they not? Why should these flowers be taken away from our Lord. Thank you.
You are right, they take the flowers away because they have to pray Lauds at home on Sunday morning, they need to have some flowers for their "domestic church".
Johnstone, Did you know that is where your flower donation money goes?
Anon at 9.58AmDon't let their apathy and ignorance put you off. Part I – http://www.filedropper.com/ncwcatecheticaldirectoryvol1part1-copyPart II – http://www.filedropper.com/ncwcatecheticaldirectoryvol1part2-copyPart III - http://www.filedropper.com/ncwcatecheticaldirectoryvol1part3-copyPart IV - http://www.filedropper.com/ncwcatecheticaldirectoryvol1part4-copy
Excellent! Thank you!
Would be good if we can also download Volumes 2-13
This is an excellent article LaPaz!I would like you to know how much your work is appreciated. You lend a credibility to the problems we see ourselves, and articulate them so well. Thank you sincerely.
Ditto on 12:04 PM's comment! It is always inspiring and the information is always on the money LaPaz!
I'm doubled over because the resounding echo that has penetrated my soul from reading this makes me overwhelmed that I didn't speak to my community. That I didn't question louder. That I didn't fight more. I walked away. That was difficult. I shudder to think had I not walked away that I would have walked my son to hell.
I'm curious about the mandatory tithes. Do you need to submit your tax returns?
Do not feel guilty, please. They want you to feel guilty, when they were who had to feel like that. Fight now and here, your voice is necessary for Guam people.
Thank you Lapaz for this great article. This confirms what my whole discussion with Diana was all about. The Protestants call this the Prosperity Gospel and the only ones that are prospering are the leadership. God bless you and to all that have seen the Light and came back to the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Biba Katoliku!
RMS = Real Money Scam
Remedial Mental Stooges
Dear LaPaz, your efforts in exposing the rules of the Neocatechumenal game are much appreciated! I would also like to ask for your opinion about the following: It is more than clear that the Neocatechumenal way is a paraliturgical sect striving to take advantage on people and control them, that there is a huge problem within the Catholic Church caused by the Neocatechumenal Way, and that Vatican can't sort it out on its own due to its inner schism. Observing the recent initiative of the people of Guam in terms of using the civil law to protect the traditional Catholics from the Neocatechumenal Way when it comes to child sexual abuse, I wonder how are the chances to take the Church before the civil tribunal under the charge of the extortion of money and deception through the deliberate manipulation of consciousness of the faithful (done by the Neocatechumenal Way)? I will try to explain it in other words: Let's imagine that the Church is a language school, registered to provide an education in Italian language, and people freely go there having full confidence that they will learn and practice Italian. But there are some people working in the school who want to impose Spanish, so they menage to convince a certain number of teachers to participate in the action of providing permission from the school's authority to teach Spanish under the tag of Italian, counting that Italian and Spanish for many unsuspected and uneducated students look and sound similar. Due to high level of lexical similarities (82%) between Spanish and Italian, the school starts to secretly teach Spanish to its unsuspected and uneducated students, letting them believe that they are learning Italian and knowing that the students struggle to discern on their own that these are not the same languages. The final outcome is that some students pay Italian language course in Italian language school but learn Spanish language without being conscious of that fact, and in spite of the firm evidences saying that these two languages have the difference among themselves that might be small in percentage but great in significance. The bottom line is that the school is hiding not only the fact that they teach students the language other than expected without student's conscious and consent, but also that the difference between these two languages is basically a matter of life or death. Now, this doesn't seem legal and moral, does it? So, according to your understanding, is there any civil law that can protect the Catholic faithful from such an obvious deception?
Civil laws would vary by location. For Guam, we have laws in place that would permit us to go after RMS for fraud as well as Apuron, each member of the board, and anyone else associated with the scam. We are waiting for Hon to do the right thing, but be assured, if he doesn't, then we will. This is why we must continue to financially support CCOG. We are now 38 days away from the deadline. The clock is ticking for Hon.
Thank you, Tim! I do understand that in a certain way people of Guam have a good position and high chances to bring the NCW before the tribunal on Guam, which is a difficult but Holy duty. However, I wonder if there exist any international body that we could ask for impartial mediation or judgement on our issue, or even open the case regarding the Catholic Church (meaning the hierarchical and governmental institution situated in Vatican) going against the Catholic faithful (meaning the global community of faithful seen as the Body of Christ)? Can we somehow bring this religious conspiracy against the Body of Christ on the global level and go united (no matter from which country our experiences come) against the Neocatechumenal Way? I mean, if the Neocatechumenal Way is an international organization that is established out of the Church and operates on the global level, there must be some international law that they need to respect, no? Though they have an authorization from the Pope to "do their shows for the Catholic audience" (it doesn't even matter if it is true or not), what they do is a wrongdoing all around the world that should be banned. How could we verify under which tag (other than "criminal" and "parareligious") the Neocatechumenal Way is founded and to what kind of law it should be subjected?
Dear Dominican Soul: Your example is good, although I have to confess I prefer to speak with an Italian person even not knowing a word in Italian than with a German, language unknown as well by me. But surely an Italian and I could comunicate somehow. I am not sure if the catholic Church does not move a finger because she can not or because she is not interested in. I was one of the happiest when Cardinal Ratzinger wasl ellected as the Pope, with all my hopes on Him to stop the Way. But He did not do it. For many years I though He was lied. But I started realizing He knew enough and Kiko was faster than Him. Look at Maciel and LoC. I not optimistic the Church has learned the lesson. I am sorry but I am not optimistic at all. I hope we, the people, will open the eyes of many who are blind. Guam is making the difference.
I would like to investigate the options we could use independently of the current interest of the Catholic Church (meaning the official Vatican). Even Saint Paul II was the supporter of both, Legionaries of Christ and Neocatechumenal Way, so we can't expect Francis to do something. That is why I observe the other possibilities, like the International Court of Justice in The Hague. According to the Wikipedia, this court has heard cases related to war crimes, illegal state interference, ethnic cleansing, and other issues, so it might be helpful in our situation. Of course, that is just a thought. Otherwise, can you tell me what is the legal status of the NCW as an organization and where is its seat?
Anonymous 8.48, I wonder (from my nearly 30 years experience around this "Way") whether variations in practice are maintained to assist "deniability" or whether my "itinerants" were lax (being of an older generation) or whether for a specific reason a word was whispered in my responsibles' ear to avoid pressuring me individually (probably all three are true) (I now know of a great many members and non-members alike, in my district, including some clergy, who have been damaged by this "Way"). Responsibles never say what proportion was given to itinerants or clergy after the poor of the "community" have had some - though they objectively should. I have a lot more information about the money side which nuances what is coming out, but doesn't make it look much better.Oral practices that contradict published statutes are rife in the NCW (likewise, texts allegedly "approved" are different from teachings in use at any time). E.g the Way is supposed to stop after 10 years - before they tell you any of their inaccurate doctrines about prayer.I sometimes (but not always) saw flower and wine money collected separately from the tithe. It struck me that separately is better. The "responsible" that cut corners the worst shouldn't have been allowed to be it, but the members in that town were too far gone not to vote him back in.Table flowers have the stalks cut off.
Yes, in my community and my parish catechists told us to separate money for "consumables", as Diana says, from the tithes. And it is true responsibles never give explanations about the proportion of money given to each chapter. In fact, I knew more about the destinations of the tithes once I left the Way, talking with former members who were responsibles and reading several testimonies.And once I have left I have discovered the foundations of the NCW, etc. All those things are Top Secret for the members and while you are into, you do not ask, just obey. Thank you for your comment.