Thursday, March 16, 2017

THEY LIE, THEY LIE, THEY LIE, THEY LIE

Posted by Tim

Screen shot courtesy Jose Martinez

What this is of course is an admission that The Diana et al. have been LYING to their followers for years about the "permission" to distribute and receive Holy Communion in a manner different that what is required by the Church. 

Notice that neither in this Diana-blurb or the Zoltan-blurb do they make mention of the very center of Archbishop Byrnes' directive which is their illicit communion rite. The do not mention this because they intend to ignore the instruction. 

Sure they'll celebrate in churches and approved chapels (although they plan to do otherwise in that regard too), but they will ignore the instruction to distribute and receive Holy Communion as Byrnes (and the Church) has required. 

They will ignore the instruction the same way they ignored the instruction first issued in 2005 by the Congregation for Divine Worship. They will ignore the instruction the same way they ignored the instruction when in 2006 Pope Benedict publicly pleaded with them to obey the the 2005 instruction which he said was "issued in my name." And they will ignore the instruction that Byrnes just issued as well because they DO NOT RESPECT the legitimate authority of the Church. Kiko and their catechists is their hierarchy, their pope and bishops. 

Now on to another "give away" in this blurb. Why are their celebrations "two hours long?" Because of their so-called "echoes," which is their version of a homily where members of the community drone on and on about what the readings mean to them etc., etc., etc. 

I'm glad the Diana brought this up because this is the next abuse Byrnes will need to address. As regards this admonitions and echoes, the NCW Statute (Art. 13) references footnote 49 which in turn references the CDW 2005 Instruction. Here is what the Instruction says:
2. As for any admonitions issued before the readings, these must be brief. Adherence must also be shown to what is set out in the “Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani” (nn. 105 and 128) and to the Praenotanda of the “Ordo Lectionum Missae” (nn. 15, 19, 38, 42). 
3. The homily, because of its nature and importance, is reserved to the priest or deacon (cf. Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 767 § 1). As for the occasional contribution of testimonies on the part of the lay faithful, the proper places and methods for these are indicated in the Interdicasterial Instruction “Ecclesiae de Mysterio,” which was approved “in specific form” by Pope John Paul II and published on August 15, 1997. In this document, sections 2 and 3 of article 3 read as follows: 
§2 - “It is permitted to have a brief instruction that helps explain better the liturgy that is being celebrated, and even, in exceptional circumstances, a few testimonies, as long as these conform to the liturgical norms, are offered on the occasion of Eucharistic liturgies celebrated on particular days (for seminarians, the sick, etc.), and are thought truly helpful as an illustration of the regular homily delivered by the celebrating priest. These instructions and testimonies must not assume characteristics that might cause them to be confused with the homily.” 
§3 - “The possibility of ‘dialogue’ during the homily (cf. Directorium de Missis cum Pueris, no. 48) can be used occasionally and with prudence by the celebrating minister as a means of exposition, which does not transfer to others the duty of preaching.” 
Careful attention must also be paid to the Instruction “Redemptionis Sacramentum,” no. 74. 
And here's what RS 74 says:
[74.] If the need arises for the gathered faithful to be given instruction or testimony by a layperson in a Church concerning the Christian life, it is altogether preferable that this be done outside Mass. Nevertheless, for serious reasons it is permissible that this type of instruction or testimony be given after the Priest has proclaimed the Prayer after Communion. This should not become a regular practice, however. Furthermore, these instructions and testimony should not be of such a nature that they could be confused with the homily,[156] nor is it permissible to dispense with the homily on their account.
So as you can clearly see, any additional instruction, admonition, testimony, whatever is to be "brief," "occasional," "in exceptional circumstances," "on particular days," AND "should not become a regular practice.

Of course for The Diana's et al. the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ takes a back seat to their nauseating and narcissistic "what this means to me," two hour long blubbering. Thanks Diana for letting us all know that you DISOBEY this directive too, already in place since 2005 and codified in the NCW Statute in 2008. 

I bet most Neo's have no idea that their leadership is so disobedient and that THEY LIE, THEY LIE, THEY LIE, THEY LIE...

26 comments:

  1. WHAT! They put loose flowers on the altar????

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    1. Just like witches covens and other pagans celebrating in the woods.

      I also saw a video of a Jewish menorah on a strange-looking NCW altar that was decorated with fresh fruits. I think that weird "Mass" was somewhere in Spain.

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    2. Yes, they place flowers on their so called altar and they still use flowers in Lent. Both these actions are in violation of the GIRM (see below).

      GIRM 305. During Lent it is forbidden for the altar to be decorated with flowers. Laetare Sunday (Fourth Sunday of Lent), Solemnities, and Feasts are exceptions. Floral decorations should always be done with moderation and placed around the altar rather than on its mensa.

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    3. The NEOs don't call it an Altar. To them, it's just a banquet table.

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    4. The NEOs like to dance around their banquet table too.

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  2. Wonder where they will do their Easter celebrations since most masses are at midnight ? Will They attend the midnight mass and then go to the hotel to continue their celebration. Will Brynes put a stop to the hotel baptisms and receiving of first holy communion and confirmation at the hotels should they decide to do the ceremony there after mass?

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    1. Here we have an Easter Vigil Mass with Baptism of the Catechumens, not Midnight Mass. That's done at Christmas. The elaborate Vigil can run for nearly two hours, ending at midnight. That's followed by a shortened Easter Sunday Mass schedule during the day. No NCW incursions at any of the Masses.

      The NCW is one of the few diseases we weren't plagued with here. Instead, we got some of the most hostile, anti-Marian Charismatics on the planet. It took work, but we got rid of them long ago.

      Like the NCW, local Charismatics moved many of their their holy roller freakouts to hotels because diocesan churches forbade them. Regional bishops stopped the illicit hotel activities in the 1980's.

      Observers found that Charismatic priests conducting illicit hotel Masses were unknown independents who were often without faculties. Some came from other States. They disappeared immediately after the disgraceful events ended and were never seen here again. At least one "priest" who came here was just a lay con man. An actor in a black clerical suit. Priests made a ton of cash at those illicit events because of all the mindless hysteria surrounding them. The more pentecostal hysteria these so-called priests whipped up, the more money they made.

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  3. Sorry. . .No Flowers ON the Altar of Sacrifice, Diana. From the General Instructions of the Roman Missal:

    "Floral decoration should always show moderation and be arranged around the altar rather than on the altar table. For only what is required for the celebration of the Mass may be placed on the
    altar table: namely, from the beginning of the celebration until the proclamation of the Gospel, the Book of the Gospels; then from the Presentation of the Gifts until the purification of the vessels, the chalice with the paten, a ciborium, if necessary, and, finally, the corporal, the purificator, the pall, and the Missal. In addition, arranged discreetly, there should be whatever may be needed to amplify the Priest’s voice. The candlesticks required for the different liturgical services for reasons of reverence or the festive character of the celebration (cf. no. 117) should be appropriately placed either on the altar or around it, according to the design of the altar and the sanctuary, so that the whole may be harmonious and the faithful may not be impeded from a clear view of what takes place at the altar or what is placed upon it."

    So, Diana, no flowers ON the altar; secondly, the Hanukkah Minorah is no the right candle holder to be placed on the altar of sacrifice. The norm is to place "candlesticks"--plural on or around the altar as appropriate.

    With regard to your Saturday evening NCW mass, since the mass, according to the norms of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal must be open to everyone wishing to attend, if the mass is fulfilling and brings grace to our hearts and deepens our Love and Faith, then no problem if the mass goes on for two or three hours. But the reason for the length of the mass, is all the illicit things that is done by the NCW attendees. Too much singing; too much dialoging between the presbyter and the "community" members; too much dancing around the "NCW banquet table", which is what they have instead of a sacred alter of sacrifice. So, if the General Instructions of the Roman Missal are to be followed by the NCW mass celebrants, all this extra-curricular activity during the solemn sacrifice of the mass SHALL STOP!! Thank you, Archbishop Byrnes, for helping the NCW followers truly conform to attending a true mass so their souls will be enriched with God's grace. I encourage everyone to attend the NCW-celebrated mass to promote unity and peace with our brothers and sisters in the NCW. Alleluia!

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  4. Its funny that Dianarehea mentions that the NCW finds communion through baptism and in the pope. She fails to understand that it is the Eucharist that makes the Church what it is, simply since it is Christ Himself. She also fails to understand that of the Seven Sacraments, the Holy Eucharist is prominent, while the six sacraments point to Christ himself, the Eucharist is Christ in his person, and when we receive him, it is really the Holy Trinity that we are receiving at every Holy Communion, and as St. Thereaa of Culcutta mentions it is in the Holy Eucharist that the Church is more in communion. What can be greater that that Diana?

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  5. From Italy: shut up, Diana. The whole catholic world is talking about this letter. It does not concern only Guam.
    Shut up, Diana, don't disturb the pianist.

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  6. You're right. The evil NCW will ignore this directive. Ask Bp. Byrnes how to have them physically ejected from your churches when they disrupt the Mass.

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  7. Yeh let the neo-Bolshygits in Italy handle this you neo- proletarian Diana! What an embarrassment!

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  8. Dancing around the altar!?. I observed one woman who dances like she is at a disco club, even shouting to have everyone turn, such a sight, I was embarrassed. I understand celebrating but such display of disrespect and classless, even her sons were following suit, and they are adults. I like the Mass, the homily, but come on, when I heard the same dancing lady share, I was enthralled first at her history but grew annoyed at her repetitious rant about her being a sinner, and on and on and on - self martyr. This was the first and last time I attended the Cathedral NCW Mass.

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    1. Sounds like some of the Charismatic Masses in 1980's Catholic churches here. Barefooted young women in flesh-colored, cotton gauze dresses, no underwear and flying long hair dancing down the center aisle delivering gifts to a grinning priest. Racket from tambourines, drums, guitars and pianos accompanied them.

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  9. recruitment ongoing down south, merizo and umatac and other villages. this is the responsible: http://www.junglewatch.info/2015/03/in-memoriam.html

    maybe now he can answer?

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  10. The NEOs were out in full force last night canvassing the villages to recruit more vulnerable people to join the NCW communities. Didn't Archbishop Byrnes ask them to put a one year pause on the formation of new communities? Looks like they're not listening to him but then again, the NCW is not Catholic. They are a Protestant sect trying to steal the churches assets because the leadership will not spend one iota of the garbage bag collections on building a church. The NCW collections are the property of the leadership and is used to support their extravagant lifestyles and personal wealth. The NCW is pathetic.

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    1. Loop hole: No new communities? Fine. We will expand the existing communities.

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    2. shh!!!, Andrew Camacho March 17, 2017 at 4:33 PM, they already lie and trick their followers, don't add to their misfortune, besides diana/them won't give you credit for the idea.

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  11. Dang!!! Foiled again!!! The Dianas are aware of our sinister plot:

    AnonymousMarch 17, 2017 at 2:13 PM
    Hmmm, maybe someone needs to bring this to the attention of Bishop Byrnes. Unless I'm mistaken, he is trying to create unity by making everything the same...contradicting what the pope is saying here. Uniformity does not necessarily create Unity. "Uniformity kills life." "The life of the church is varied.," says the Pope.

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    DianaMarch 17, 2017 at 3:05 PM
    Dear Anonymous at 2:13 pm,

    Actually, it is the jungle that wants uniformity. They believe that there is unity when everyone wears the same uniform.


    AnonymousMarch 17, 2017 at 3:29 PM
    Exactly. Byrnes wants unity. JW wants uniformity. It's only a matter of time when JW starts complaining about the NCW not kneeling during the Eucharist. They are more concern about the letter of the law like the Pharisees.

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    I purchased all of my uniforms already! I hope I can return them or exchange them for something else!

    The Dianas need to remember scripture: "Every knee must bend . . ." So if you have arthritis and can't kneel there's NO MASS FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!

    Have a nice day.

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  12. We shall see: either the neos follow the instructions of the Archbishop, and we should have a relative peace for around a year. OR.....being as arrogant as we know they are, they will challenge the Archbishop at every step.
    This will start with presbyters refusing to read the letter as instructed .
    Let's all monitor the parishes this weekend.

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  13. We shall see: either the neos follow the instructions of the Archbishop, and we should have a relative peace for around a year. OR.....being as arrogant as we know they are, they will challenge the Archbishop at every step.
    This will start with presbyters refusing to read the letter as instructed .
    Let's all monitor the parishes this weekend.

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  14. Diana said that many of their members participate in the Sunday parish mass? Having a NCW celebration in the back of the church during mass is not participation. It's called division.

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  15. Kiko already told B16 to take a hike. Surely you don't expect his demonic Neocats to follow Bp. Byrnes' directive. If you must, have the bastards physically thrown out of your churches. Thats what cops are for.

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  16. Are they even allowed to have their own money collection separate from the church? Shouldn't that money be accounted for with Rev and Tax?

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    1. my dear Anonymous March 19, 2017 at 4:56 PM, as we can see in "§ 3", the answer is a "ya damn right, ncw money is ncw money.

      besides, like the statute indicates that such collections are administered with a great sense of responsibility and respect for the "law".

      (d) Professions. Upon every person engaging or continuing within Guam in the practice of a profession, excluding those expounding the religious doctrines of any church, [there shall be] a tax equivalent to four percent (4%) of the gross income of such practice. [“There shall be” added by editor, 1970 Ed. of the Government Code]

      it must be nice to be a 4% "movement" WITHIN the church

      Art. 4 [Temporal goods]
      § 1. The Neocatechumenal Way, being an itinerary of Catholic formation that is implemented in the dioceses through services freely given, has no material goods of its own.

      § 2. When in a diocese it is considered useful to financially support initiatives and activities for the evangelization realized through the Neocatechumenal Way, the diocesan bishop, at the request of the International Responsible Team of the Way, will consider the suitability of erecting an autonomous diocesan foundation, with juridical personality, regulated by its own statutes, which will also be recognized by the civil authorities.
      This may also be supported by oblatory donations made by participants in the Neocatechumenal Way, as well as by foundations and other individuals.

      § 3. In the communities, collections are made to answer different needs. It is the task of the responsible team of the community and of the responsible teams of the Way at every level, to ensure that such collections are administered with a great sense of responsibility and respect for the law.

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  17. The money should be accounted with the parish providing support to ncw activity. These neos are moochers.

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