Wednesday, December 18, 2013

NOTE TO NEOS

The neos who post here are very sure that they are in the right but for the most part do not want to identify themselves. One must wonder why. You have the archbishop and the whole chancery on your side. What is there to fear? If you believe your are correct then have the same courage as I do and identify yourself. Or are you cowards?

Those who oppose the neo have legitimate reason to fear. They have seen how the archbishop acts towards those who oppose him. But you neos, he's on your side. There is nothing to fear. Come out of the shadows. Speak proudly. Put your name on your comments. Show us who you are. We are waiting. 

The comment moderation is off. Anyone can post directly. Have at it. Use your name, first and last, your parish, your community, your "responsible", your catechist. Why not? Stop your cowardice. 

45 comments:

  1. Very cute Tim. I see it as way to say I am no different. Try and single me out within the parish in Agat. ;). You can't can you?

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    1. Tim as acting like a hypocrite. I always use my own name for my comments. The same happened in this blog, when I felt compelled to correct some of his abusive statements about the Way. I wrote in without hiding myself. So what did Tim do? Well, he singled me out immediately, even stole pictures from my Facebook without my permission and published them in his own blog for whatever reason. It was an obvious violation of basic respect of one Catholic faithful toward the other. He even made an abusive label in this blog bearing my name. Just check it out up in the top... I wonder when would he be honest enough to erase this shameful evidence of his dishonest bias?!

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    2. actually down at the bottom... ;)

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    3. He only favors comments that support his views.

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    4. As you can see I said "for the most part". I didn't say all, obviously recognizing that you used your name. "Stole" your pics without your permission? You gave me permission once you allowed me access to your page by friending me, that's what that means. Continue to show people your spite and ignorance. They're enjoying it. In fact, they've encouraged me to let you talk. Go for it.

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    5. btw, someone else sent me the picture off your fb page. careful who you friend.

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    6. Anything posted on FaceBook has the potential to be copied and posted elsewhere. If you wanted to keep your mug to yourself, I suggest you remove it from your page. The concept of social networking is not hard to comprehend.

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    7. Stealing pictures from other people without their permission and publishing them is not necessarily a crime but it is definitely an ethical violation and an indication of low morality. Also, an obvious violation of basic respect of one Catholic faithful toward the other.

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    8. Oh Zolton. You fabricate an outrage, claim another instance of becoming a victim and banking that we just may be that much ignorant not to see through your ruse.
      There is nothing unethical or immoral about using a publicly posted photo. Read the FB Terms of Service and you will see that you're claims are baseless.
      You are certainly consistent in creating your own set of rules and reality. You've played the victim card, the nazi card, and now the morality card. What's next? The race card?

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  2. Umm. I don't go to Agat. But feel free to hide. Why not stand tall for your neo beliefs?

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    1. Why don't you "go to Agat"? Isn't that your parish?

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    2. If you belong to the NCW community in Agana but live in Yona, does that make the Cathedral Basilica your parish or do you claim St Francis your parish? Where do you deposit your tithings ? Cathedral, St. Francis or none at all? If you donate to the Saturday evening mass, does this money get turned over to the Basilica to get counted like the rest of our tithings or does it go into the NCW coffer? You say your Saturday celebrations is considered your Sunday obligation, you use the facility to do your celebration, therefore turn in your collections to be counted like the rest of us. What makes the NCW an exception to the rule.

      Let us see the printing of $$$$ amount 1st collection, $$$$ amount 2nd collection and $$$$ NCW collection in the bulletin. We only see printing of 1st and 2nd collection.

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  3. My beliefs are the same as any Other Catholic. What is the neo belief? I didn't know there's a difference. Oh yeah, that's right, there isn't a difference, yet you insist on believing there is because you want revenge on the Archbishop. The facts are here. Like you said you want reasons to post. You like the attention, because if you didn't this blog wouldn't be posted. Conflict will be discussed via email or phone calls to Rome. But you want the people to know theso called truth of the NCW. You already have followers like Kiko. You have people thinking the way you. You allow people to trash talk the NCW and only interfere when a member try's to resort it peacefully. You like to twist words around, like you said and June. You claim she told Fr. Paul to Shut up. I listened but never once did I hear it. But it's implied right? Just like you, your intent isn't to have people hate the NCW but yet it's implied. Also the name of the formation came from Pope Paul VI. Not from Kiko. There's only 2 things brought up in your whole blog. 1. The NCW doesn't consume the body of Christ immediately. 2. Your against the Archbishop because he doesn't show you and the regular Catholics (only saying regular because its what you and others claim to be) the attention you want. This all ties down to why you hate the NCW. I get it, but while everybody prays for a peaceful end, keep on with your blog. Segregate your self from the community. I do acknowledge the things you have done politically, but your hate on the NCW is causing Catholic Christians to hate Catholic Christians. It may not be your intention but its happening. The only people who are dividing the church are those who leave because the NCW is present. I guess you have to watch out for us, because you believe we're taught different.

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    1. Us non Neo Catholics are not stupid. We can see right through these distractions to the real issue. This is not about Tim Rohr and your attempts to hide behind that strawman is plain as day!

      This is about the liturgy and the disobedience to the magistarium you repeat every Saturday.

      The Eucharist is the sum and summit of our faith and your Saturday distortion is legitimately questioned. Plain and simple!

      If you continue to protest Tim Rohr, and not the real issue, it shows your arrogance and continued desire to remain in protestation to direct instruction to the liturgy of the most holy of our faith, the liturgy of the Eucharist.

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    2. The only ones protesting are those who hate us "Neos". The Vatican allows it, so it will continue. Plain and simple. Damn me to hell if you wish.

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    3. See Tim you have followers like Kiko.

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    4. Your ad hominem is dully noted.
      Also your repetative claim that "neos " are hated is baseless and shows a lack of comprehension of the issue at hand. However it is typical of the script droned into you to paint yourselves as victims and of the persecuted. We are aware of that tactic as well.

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    5. you are taught differently.
      Since when has the church told her members to leave their spouse because they do not want to join the church or in this case the NCW? And yet the NCW does.
      I know of a case on Guam, and its not unique to Guam,
      google it.
      I refer you to 1 Cor 7:12-13 that directly contradicts this teaching of the NCW.
      And while the NCW claim to have many communities, how many parishes have the NCW caused to shut down worldwide because of the division it has caused. Since you call yourself a catholic Christian, I assume your catechesis of initiation into the church is done, so when will you be returning to the "regular" community?et al "the parish" which is the normal community for the Catholic Christian. And really brother, this thing with the Archbishop has to do with governance of the Diocese (please note that the Diocese is much larger than the NCW communities).
      And I do not hate the members of the NCW, but rather wish you to know the truth.
      Peace of Christ to you!

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    6. Well then stand tall and use your name.

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  4. Here what Tim knows about the way, as he claims:

    ""Difference No 3
    The Neocatechumenal Way has a separate weekday celebration of the Liturgy of the Word. This is allowed in the approved Statute (Art. 11), but nevertheless it is a "difference", since for the other faithful, a separate celebration of the Word is not permitted:

    In the celebration of Mass, the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist are intimately connected to one another, and form one single act of worship. For this reason it is not licit to separate one of these parts from the other and celebrate them at different times or places. (Redemptionis Sacramentum, 60.)""

    http://junglewatch2.blogspot.com/2013/11/why-junee-must-live-apart.html#more

    This is an awful blunder he picked up as superstition from some semi-educated person. When I tried to correct his blunder, he simply banned my response from this blog. This is Tim. Apt to spread any superstition he is able to pick up. Then he makes sure his false statements cannot be challenged. Would we need more comment to see his true colors?

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    1. Superstition? You are Catholic right?
      You Don't acknowledge the magesterium of the Church?
      Tim Quoted from a Document released by the CDW (Congregation for Divine Worship in case you didn't know).
      hardly semi-educated if you ask me...
      I guess the only "educated ones" in your opinion would have to come from within the NCW.

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    2. This is what Tim wrote: "The Neocatechumenal Way has a separate weekday celebration of the Liturgy of the Word." This is a superstition that is spread by Tim Rohr himself and his alter egos on murky blogs like Junglewatch. Is he Big Brother watching us poor jungle dwellers... ?

      Have you seen Tim as repudiating his false claim? Because I have never seen that happening here ... As I said this superstition is an awful blunder based on plane ignorance. May I I ask you, what is YOUR TAKE on this question, Mr. Anonymous?!

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    3. Art. 11 § 1. Every neocatechumenal community has a weekly celebration of the Word of God, usually with four readings, according to the themes indicated by the Orientations for the Teams of Catechists for each step.

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    4. Tim, don't be ridiculous! Please! This has nothing to do with the Liturgy of the Word as celebrated together with the Liturgy of the Eucharist during the weekend Celebration. I clearly explained it here:

      http://neocatheart.blogspot.com/2013/12/honest-to-truth.html

      Also, you could have read it, if you don't erase it on December 6th, because it did not support your agenda. So, please, be a sport for a change and at least acknowledge your blunder..

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  5. Tim is desperate to tie The Way to the Archbishop. But these two things are individual entities in the Church. One is perceived and scrutinized apart from the other. This would be basic respect for both. The Archbishop is a Church authority, a sacramental office and deserves all respect as such.

    The Way exists all around in the world. It is just a local bias from those who try to police new ways in the Church to tie a worldwide phenomena to a local Archbishop. Is not this incredibly shallow? The Way is an organizational and educational tool for the Catholic Church that produces incredibly plenty of fruits. This is undeniable. Because it frees up an inclination of the faithful toward each other and opens up a space of deepening faith in the small communities. This is the coordinate system of the Way that is plain and simple.

    Hopefully, Catholics with open mind and unbiased thinking will recognize this powerful potential in their own hearts.

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    1. I have lived in many places where the neo has infiltrated some parishes. If you don't know that they are problematic there as well, you are lacking in information. The unique situation here on Guam is that our Archbishop is involved with the Neo as no other shepard of his diocese has. And it has been damaging.
      There are plenty of examples of division in parishes caused by neo liturgical abuses and bullying. Japan comes to mind. I recall the Neo were ordered removed by the Vatican a few years back.
      You want to us worlwide existence as the test for legitimacy? Large numbers do not mean a thing if they are all incorrect. Toto's liturgical worship trumps your multiple disobedient celebrations any given Sunday. Then again, you refuse to celebrate liturgically and on Sunday.

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    2. I go to mass on Sunday. And if the NCW is kicked out of Guam so be it.

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    3. To be clear, my use of "you" refers to "neo" and not to be read as a personal indicator. So if anonymous of December 19, 2013 at 9:52 AM says they attend regular Sunday mass in retort to my comment, obviously, my point eludes them.
      To clarify, the celebration I refer to is the one held on Saturday by the neos and seperate from liturgical worship.

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    4. Zoltan, your statement that "Tim is desperate to tie The Way to the Archbishop" indicates that you are blissfully unaware that the Archbishop "tied" himself to The Way during his January 2006 in-studio appearance on KOLG when concerns about The Way were raised by listeners. Although his intent may have been to respond to questions that were being raised about the NCW movement, he spoke glowingly about The Way and implied that ONLY the Mass of The Way offered the FULLNESS of the Eucharistic Celebration.

      As a result, I believe that in retrospect — maybe after listening to himself while playing back the episode — the Archbishop realized he had tied a noose around his neck by his reckless speech. Not only did he make the implications about the inferiority of the “regular” Mass as compared to the “Neo” Mass but he also spoke disparagingly about a Prince of the Church. The tone of his voice and his choice of words left many “regular” Catholics feeling like sheep without a shepherd.

      That particular episode of “Why Do Catholics Do That?” was never replayed, as other episodes had been (and continue to be). Several of us called KOLG to inquire about the rebroadcast of that episode and we were told that the station was unable to rebroadcast it because of “technical difficulties.”

      Hopefully with your "open mind and unbiased thinking" you will recognize the potential peril the Archbishop placed himself in with his loose lips.

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    5. Dear Mary Lou, I am sure you don't dwell on a radio program most people has never heard some 8 years ago?! Come on, you can do much better than this. I am for one who has not even been on this beautiful island 8 years ago. I have never heard that was aired and honestly, I don't care. 8 years ago we had the Iraq war going on and people, even politicians, said a whole lot of nonsense at that time. So what is your point?

      Is there really an awful conspiration going on right here in Guam to cover up a radio program that was aired 8 years ago? Don't you think this is an utterly ridiculous statement? Should Catholics in Guam dwell on issue like this in December 2013, when the coming of our Baby Lord is approaching? ;)

      Well, it is your call, dear Mary Lou...

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    6. It is evident to look at the past to comprehend the present. There is an obvious divide in our church today so we find answers. If there was a "whole lot of nonsense" being said from our Bishop wouldn't there be cause for concern? or you just wanted to write about politicians saying nonsense 8 years ago and you weren't actually saying that the bishop talks nonsense. you just wanted to state that nonsense was spoken and it has nothing to do with what all this talk is about. Maybe you should be a politician.

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    7. No, it was the politicians, not the Archbishop. Your KOLG radio program is one obscure event that bears no significance at all.

      My point is that who cares about it anymore...?! ;) Perhaps some freaks only who cannot move on and get a life? ;(

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    8. Words matter. 8 years,, 8 days, 8 hours, or 8 decades ago, they were still said, the context was very clear, and he did not misspeak. There was no retraction or correction, just an attempt to cover it up. Not only does it matter what was said, the actions therefrom reflecting his statements that fateful morning reinforces the issues in the present.

      It is incredible that anyone would mock someones concern of this magnitude.

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    9. Ive spoken to people of other religions before and ive noticed alot similarities in the way they talk about there beliefs and the way they defend themselves with that of the NCW. The only thing is im already ROMAN CATHOLIC!

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  6. I will now predict the future

    Tim will gather these comments twist the words around and make it seem like it was implied the Neo claims to be better. Just like June on the radio, he claims she said "shut up" to Fr. Paul but no such words came out. He claimed she was a NCW member because of things she said. So intentionally he claimed her to be in the NCW and made it seem like she disrespected Fr. Truth is she didn't.

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  7. I'm not in the NCW but I have many friends who are in The Way. I enjoy their company and the same God we praise. I may not be in The Way but I sure do love the people in it and what they do.

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    1. Biba Kristo Rai!

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    2. I, too, have friends and family members in the NCW. I do enjoy their company. On the other hand, I find some if not most fanatics.

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  8. Peace! My Brothers and Sisters!

    Makes me wonder what our God thinks of this

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  9. So whos going to the Seminary Christmas Concert tonight? Its a free concert.

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  10. They the Archbishop and his guest

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  11. The Seminary concert was beautiful! To see and sing along with the seminarians was so heartwarming and joyful. Merry Christmas everyone.. and may Baby Jesus warm and bless you.

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    1. That's nice. Irrelevant to the topic at hand, but still cordial.

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  12. Tim I will pray for you.

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  13. Tim, you may have forgotten, but it was you who turned on the Anonymous feature on this blog. Blogspot does not offer anonymity by default. Therefore you had to make a deliberate decision to allow and promote Anonymous comments on Junglewatch. You cannot lift your palms as innocent...

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