Wednesday, December 18, 2013

LET'S REVIEW

Let's review. 

In 2005 you were told by Rome to conform your liturgies, especially in the manner of distributing Holy Communion, to the liturgical books - meaning you were to do as the rest of us. You said "we will not obey", and you did not. 

In 2008, your statute was approved with the same demand that you conform your liturgy to the liturgical books. You said "we will not obey", and you did not. 

This Saturday you will go to your Eucharist and you will receive communion in a manner not in conformity with the liturgical books, and in doing so, you will say "we will not obey", and you will not. 

This is why we cannot take you seriously as Catholics. 

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Again, I copy here an article from INSIDE THE VATICAN dated May 2012, 4 years after the Statute of the NCW was approved and you were expected to conform to it. (Highlights mine.)



A Mass that Concerns the Pope
https://insidethevatican.com/category/back-issues/may-2012

With a letter written personally to Cardinal William J. Levada, Benedict XVI has ordered the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to examine whether the Neocatechumenal Masses are or are not in keeping with the liturgical teaching and practice of the Catholic Church.

A “problem,” in the Pope’s judgment, that is “of great urgency” for the whole Church. Benedict XVI has been alarmed for some time about the particular ways in which the communities of the Neocatechumenal Way celebrate their Masses, on Saturday evening, in separate locations.

His sense of alarm was increased by the plot woven behind his back in the curia last winter. What had happened was that the Pontifical Council for the Laity, headed by Cardinal Stanislaw Rylko, had prepared the text for a degree of blanket approval of all the liturgical and extra-liturgical celebrations of the Neocatechumenal Way, to be made public January 20 on the occasion of a meeting scheduled between the Pope and the Way.

The decree was redacted according to the guidelines of the Congregation for Divine Worship, headed by Cardinal Antonio Cañ­izares Llovera. The founders and leaders of the Way, Francisco “Kiko” Argüello and Carmen Hernández, were told about it and joyfully told their followers about the imminent approval — all unbeknownst to the Pope.

Benedict XVI found out about the text of the decree a few days before the meeting on January 20. He found it illogical and mistaken. He ordered that it be scrapped and rewritten according to his guidelines.
In fact, the decree that was made public on January 20 limited itself to approving the extra-liturgical ceremonies that mark the catechetical stages of the Way.

In his speech, the Pope stressed that only these had been authorized. With regard to the Mass, he gave the Neocatechumenals a genuine lecture — almost an ultimatum — on how to celebrate it in full fidelity to the liturgical norms and in practical communion with the Church.

During those same days, Benedict XVI received in audience the archbishop of Berlin, Rainer Maria Woelki, a trusted confrere whom he would soon make a cardinal. Among other things, Woelki talked to him about the difficulties that the Neocatechumenals were creating in his diocese with their separate Masses on Saturday evenings, officiated by about 30 member priests.

The Pope asked Woelki to give him a survey of the matter in writing. On January 31, Woelki sent him a letter with more detailed information. A few days later, on February 11, the Pope forwarded a copy of this letter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, together with a request to examine as soon as possible this question that “concerns not only the archdiocese of Berlin.”

The examining commission headed by the doctrinal congregation would have to include, according to the Pope’s guidelines, two other Vatican dicasteries: the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, and the Pontifical Council for the Laity.


Benedict XVI greets Kiko Argüello, co-founder of the Neocatechumenal Way, during an audience with Neocatechumenal members in Paul VI Hall at the Vatican on January 20 (CNS photo)

And so it was. On March 26, in the Palazzo del Sant’Uffizio, under the presidency of the secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Archbishop Luis Francisco Ladaria Ferrer, a Jesuit, a meeting for an initial examination of the question was held with the secretaries of the other two dicasteries — for Divine Worship, Archbishop Augustine J. Di Noia, a Dominican, and for the Laity, Bishop Josef Clemens — and with four experts designated by them. An absent fifth expert, Father Cassian Folsom, prior of the monastery of Saint Benedict in Norcia, sent his assessment in writing.

All of the judgments expressed were critical of the Masses of the Neocatechumenals. Also very severe was the one that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith had asked, before the meeting, of the theologian and newly-created Cardinal Karl J. Becker, Jesuit, professor emeritus at the Pontifical Gregorian University and an adviser to the dicastery.

The dossier provided for the meeting by the doctrinal congregation included the Pope’s letter of February 11, Cardinal Woelki’s letter to the Pope in the original German and in English, the assessment of Cardinal Becker, and a guide for the discussion that explicitly brought into question the conformity to the liturgical teaching and practice of the Catholic Church of article 13 § 2 of the statutes of the Neocatechumenals, the one in which they justify their separate Masses on Saturday evening.

The danger feared by Benedict XVI and by many bishops — as demonstrated by the many complaints that have been made to the Vatican — is that the particular ways in which the Neocatechumenal communities all over the world celebrate their Masses may introduce into the Latin liturgy a new de facto “rite” artificially composed by the founders of the Way, foreign to liturgical tradition, full of doctrinal ambiguities and a source of division in the community of the faithful.

To the commission he had set up, the Pope entrusted the task of verifying the validity of these fears, in view of decisions to be made.

The judgments of the commission were to be examined in a plenary meeting of the doctrinal congregation in the second half of April.

28 comments:

  1. Pope Francis declared closed question, affirm top traditionalist journalist Sandro Magister



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  2. Why does the NCW have to hold a separate mass? Why don't they just go to church like the regulars Catholics do? Why the need for a separate celebration?

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    1. My opinion is that people with power tend to have traits as "over achievers". Maybe NCW leaders are just not satisfied with the traditional and true Sabbath Day? They may find that changing the day satisfied the urge to believe that it is better then the norm? A kind of self gratification to know that they have some sort of power. Maybe im just over thinking it :) GO TO SUNDAY MASS IS MY POINT

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  3. Of course, repeating the lies over and over is a powerful tool, based on the ideas of Joseph Goebbels, the infamous German demagogue. However, the truth is coming out sooner or later and there is power to stop it! Just read until you start to get a grasp. ;)

    http://neocatheart.blogspot.com/2013/12/eucharist-contemplated.html

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    1. Ladies and Gentlemen, Zoltan has just enacted the Godwin Law. It was only a matter of time.

      He just analyzed all of us questioning the neo and has concluded that we are all acting like a Nazi. We have a winner!

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    2. Lol. I did not say that, but if you feel like one of those, who I am to contradict you...?!

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  4. Zoltan,

    Since you are a member of the NCW I should ask you.

    Why does the NCW have to hold a separate mass? Why don't they just go to church like the regulars Catholics do? Why the need for a separate celebration?

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    1. The Way is an organizational and educational tool for the Catholic Church. It is based on small communities, that are interrelated across parishes and physical spaces. This setup as a huge network of small faith communities produces incredibly plenty of fruits which is undeniable. How these fruits are produced? Well, in small communities an inclination of the faithful toward each other is freed up and a space of deepening faith is opened. This is the source of our fruits, plain and simple.

      The celebration of the Eucharist is the heart and soul of all faith communities. It is just reasonable to follow the setup of fruitfulness and celebrate this most solemn weekly event as in a community of communities. Even though we also attend regular masses in our churches on a regular basis. Hopefully, Catholics with open mind and unbiased thinking will recognize the powerful potential of small communities in their own hearts. We are all the same flock of the Lord.

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    2. Zoltan:

      Rarely do NCW members attend regular mass unless it is a special holy event. Just ask your NCW members. I know. I have asked them. Why? because they have already gone to mass on Saturday night. That's only human nature. If you do go again, kudos to you, but you are the exception and not the rule.

      On producing fruits, you don't think non NCW groups, organizations, and people are producing fruits as well? And just because they produce "fruits" as you say, does the means justify the end if the means are not in conformance with Rome? Isn't that what happened with Luther and the reformation? Christ wants us to be united and if the means of the NCW is causing division, then perhaps the NCW may want to see why it is causing this division? For the sake of unity, isn't it worth doing so? You ask us to keep an open mind. I agree. We should. Now, will the NCW do likewise? When we point out problems regarding NCW, please do not brushed them under the rug because the NCW is producing fruits. These are serious structural problems with how the NCW is managed and operated which have been presented by Mr. Rohr and others under Comments. With an open mind, I would like the NCW to address them.

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    3. You comment is invalid, because whether I do attend thè mass of the NCW , I still attend mass on Sundays .

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  5. In Pope diocese there are 20,000 neocat

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  6. On my facebook page Zoltan himself described the manner in which the NCW receives communion. The liturgical books require the sacred species to be consumed immediately. Zoltan proudly told us how the neocats hold the sacred species in their hands until all have received and then consume it together upon a signal from the minister. This is not allowed. Thus the pope's investigation into the neo as of May 2012.

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    1. http://neocatheart.blogspot.com/2013/12/celebration-of-eucharist-in-small.html

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  7. http://neocatheart.blogspot.com/2013/12/eucharist-contemplated.html

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  8. Simply provide the document that authorizes the Neocatechumenal Way to disregard the requirement that the sacred species be immediately consumed as required by the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, the "liturgical books" as noted in your statute. If there is authorization then I have no argument and you win.

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    1. Then Caiaphas said:

      No, Jesus, you cannot heal on Sabbath day. Simply provide the document that authorizes you, "Son of Man" (contempt is his eyes) to disregard the requirement that the sacred Sabbath be honored as required by the General Instruction of the Torah, the "liturgical books" as noted in your own Torah roll (Ex 20:8-10) .If there is authorization then I have no argument and you win.

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03143b.htm

      So Jesus answered:

      You are a hypocrite Caiaphas. “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." (Mk 2:27)

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  9. Tim, your argument is the argument of the control freak... Too bad you are not in control at all. Perhaps in your own jungle. ;)

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    1. And you still need to provide the decree to prove that receiving communion the NCW is approved by Rome.

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    2. Another attempt to distract with ad hominem attacks. Produce the approving document, it's that simple.

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    3. Probably waiting on getting a bogus document from his connection at the Vatican. Would have been easier and faster to get one made in Manila.

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    4. Your heart has more to do with paperwork than with the Spirit. It is so sad, Tim, we truly need to pray for you. Please, also pray for us.

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    5. Tim is a political man

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    6. So is the Archbishop

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  10. This is Zoltans way of saying.... "I have no proof...crap"!

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  11. I am in the NCW and I go to daily mass. The way is a walk of faith. We are all called to go to God . No judgments on His specific plan for you. You may be called to any Christian church but if God allows it, there is a reason for it. In the same way that all the, facts of your life is His love for you.
    Peace in all your doubts and concerns. God loves you exactly as you are.

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    1. I certainly hope you are speaking for yourself and not "the Way". Your comment that we "may be called to any Christian church" is in contradiction to Christ's desire and his mission: that we may be one. There is one Church. Only one. One bride.

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  12. I agree with Jesus prayer of unity for us, some go different paths on the way v to Him, Marcus Grodi the journey home, we all have unique journeys to God. In whatever way, He is the only one who knows everything. I cannot judge my other Christian brothers and sisters and the non-Christians, the reason for the new evangelization, letting many souls know the love of God personally in our lives, concretely . A God who loves us in our messes.

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