Monday, February 3, 2014

JUST A SAMPLING OF THEIR VENOM

Wonder what his talk will be about?...

42 comments:

  1. Shocking! Inquiring minds want to know the story of Daniel and the scandal in the lions' den

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    1. Geez, I never heard this bible story before. Must be a new version,can't wait to read it.

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  2. The Pope is clearly saying that the means does not justify the end. The behavior of the Neo as reflected by its leaders is caustic, deceptive at times, arrogant, and elitist, the exact opposite of how the Pope wants us to behave! Now, will the Neo take heed? Doubt it.

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  3. Tim, I hope you update this post to show the new comments. This Ben L.G. dude is unhinged! Resorting to name calling and saying Lucifer is your master. Guess it's all he has to offer.
    Sad.

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  4. I know many well-meaning people in the NCW. Generally these are normal tempered people, with good Catholic backgrounds who just thought joining the NCW was a truly Catholic thing. After all, the Archbishop promotes it. But then the NCW does attract some pretty negative people. Problem is they REMAIN negative as NCW and become even MORE negative because now they feel they are justified in God's eyes to be negative because anyone who questions them is a Judas, etc. These negative people in the NCW? I knew them before they were NCW and NCW has not changed them, except for the worse sometimes. Bitter but now with God's mark of approval.

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  5. The works of darkness hates the light. If the criticism of the Neos is not accurate, then please give us the facts. Kiko's "quotes" of popes in private conversation are not facts - they are unproven claims. Partial quotes from speeches and articles are just that - an incomplete picture.

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    1. Then it is the unproven claim of Kiko. He has lots of claims. It is called Kikospin. We are waiting on the Kikospin about what the Holy Father just said at the Rome gathering. SPIN

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    2. http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/courage-kiko-continue-this-mission

      Here is the whole picture. Read for yourself. Didn't want to take up too much space here in the Jungle.

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    3. "Kiko continue this mission". A very different message when we hear the pope say what the pope says and not what kiko says he said. Zenit is to Kiko what MSNBC is to Obama.

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  6. How uncharitable this Mr. LG was. He was the one that "spread hatred and sarcastic blah blah blah" with his comments because someone did not agree with him. How ironic that the very thing he accuses people of he does.

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  7. The NeoCats are to the Catholic Faith what the Taliban are to Islam. (Dangerous)

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    1. LMAO. I have a friend who has called them that for years- The "Taliban"- because of their the music style, attitude toward money, the evil lurks everywhere, trust no one, secret underground cult style)

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  8. Thank you Benjamin LG for truly showing what the NeoCats truly are - arrogant, judgmental, uncharitable, negative, defensive, holier than thou. I highly doubt Lucifer is Tim's master, just as he is not mine.
    Did I read correctly? Benjamin LG chooses to be disobedient?! Lest we forget, Tim has only been questioning the statutes. If Tim thought he were better than the Holy Father, I don't think he would need this blog. Remember, Tim is stating the obvious truth about the Neocatechumenal Way.
    Since he is all knowing, maybe Benjamin LG can produce those statutes that we poor lowly Catholics all would like to see. Shame on you Benjamin! You should act your age, not your IQ.
    I wonder what your sister in law, a Carmelite nun in New Jersey, would say if she read your post.
    Don't worry Tim - the rest of us undeserving Catholics can all be in fairyland together...lol

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  9. Wow, this Ben guy is just fuming with hate. The NCW (The Non-Christian Way or KikoCarmenul Way) taught you that Judas was remorseful? did they also teach you that he however did not REPENT and took his own life! You may want to use a better model next time. Please find the next exit and run , take your family out of the ncw and run for your life and don't look back, that is a dangerous organization to be in. The guy (kiko) paints himself to be the Christ? WOW...this is indicative of a cult...just like Jim Jones of Jonestown Guyana who also painted himself as the Christ.

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  10. My other friend who is in the NCW says that they are very aware of the blog and are trying to keep people away from it from reading or adding to it but I guess the member of the NCW are not following cause the more they add the deeper they fall into their own lies.

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  11. John from Chalan PagoFebruary 3, 2014 at 6:16 PM

    Did I understand that correctly? Benjamin LG's sister in law is a Carmelite nun in New jersey? Isn't that the monastery where a couple of other Guam Neo girls attend. If it is, then I guess Benjamin's sister in law is just too good for our own Carmelite monastery in Guam. I mean, why New Jersey? Does anyone know? Is this a Neo thing? If it is, then it explains why the Carmelite monastery in Guam is not good enough because it is not Neo. Incredible! The Neo seminary uses our money, resources, hospitality, and then sends off our girls halfway around the world! This is disgustingly amazing. I guess this is how archbishop Apuron shows his gratitude to the Carmelite Monastery in Guam who I understand, through their references, raised the funds to pay off the Neo seminary purchase debt. Man, is there a bone of gratitude in this man's body? Apparently not!

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    1. Heard that there was a Leon Guerrero who just came back from New Jersey. Any relation Benjamin?

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  12. If the Neo Way works and changes lives, why hasn't it changed Archbishop Apuron for the better? He's their Number One poster boy. I feel sorry for them! If anything, the fact that Apuron is still 100% exactly the same inept, clueless, vain, unpersonable, uncharitable and gutless person is all the proof I need that the Neos do not change everybody's lives, even those deeply in it. And Benjamin, obey your catechist and stop commenting publicly! You also show that the Neo hasn't won your total obedience.

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    1. Yes Benjamin, SILENCE and DON'T QUESTION! YOU and ZOLTAN HAVEN'T MASTERED YOUR NEO RULES. Another RULE of the NEO is LISTEN and OBEY!

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  13. ****Very personable if you are pressing new $100 bills in his palm to have fun in VEGAS BABY for recreational gambling....whoops, I meant resting and relaxing.

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  14. Tonight we have prayed to our Lady of Fatima mother of peace for mr. Ben

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  15. We also pray for archbishop Apuron. This great lack of inner peace which is manifested in hiis life, which shows in his face, is a call for him to change. Archbishop stand back discover peace in your life, all of this is no good for your heart. Why stress yourself it's not worth it. Heal,the damage, send the NCW away, and restore your dignity integrity to Guam. We will forgive you if you ask the NCW to leave Guam immediately.

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    1. How can we send the NEO away when we have so many NEO Agana priests incardinated HERE! Easier said than done; I fear. We're in up to our necks. And the tide is coming in fast. Get ready for the sandy bottom to go out from under our feet!

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  16. Anyone who gives Apuron money for his trips to California, Vegas, Europe, Mexico, or where ever, will get what ever they want from him. The NCW give him huge amounts of money, in exchange for them, to use Guam for their foundation. no catholic bishop in the world would allow the NCW to govern the archdiocese as Apuron has. In fact he has sold the soul,of Guam to a couple in new Jersey. What have they possibly got over apurons head to completely control,him.

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  17. It is also,correct data that Monsignor David spent nine years away from Guam taking a two year degree. We learnt he lived in Chicago more than Rome and Apuron allowed him to,do,what ever he wanted.

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  18. The NCW are really ugly people keep away you might catch something. Ugly people have no peace in their life, like some of the comments above. Mr. Rohr keep up your work we know you are a loyal catholic loyal to,the true faith of Rome. You are teaching the people to,see that their souls are in danger through the NCW. Tea

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    1. Your post is dripping with sarcasm. Mr. Rohr NEVER said Kiko's followers were ugly or lacked peace.

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  19. I pray for Mr. LG! Being a Catholic Christian is a TOUGH thing to do, Mr. LG! You quoted about judgment coming from Scriptures, yet you have been doing that! May God guide you in all your endeavors and whatever you have to say. You need to really look at yourself in the mirror, and ask God to give you humility! May God bless you!

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  20. Correct. Mr Rohr did not say kikos followers are ugly. Mr Rohr is a highly respected writer he would not do that.

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  21. Read the comment lol.

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  22. It says NCW are ugly people. That does not mean they are cross eyed . The writer believes ugly people have no inner peace, and then the lack of peace manifests itself in the image of the person. Look at the faces of the people in San Ramon, they do not manifest happiness of the Lord. They look very unhealthy. Because there is noi inner peace. When God is truly on your side you have everything. Peace, love, joy, beauty. Do you see this on the hill. No. You see division disunity evolving.

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  23. We must all pray for mr LG as we pray for San Ramon. They need to re discover the meaning of a catholic spirituality and culture in life. Yes even bishops can get lost in life if they are not focused on the Lord in the Eucharist and with daily prayer. When they allow material things and money to rule them, they fail to lead the people.

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  24. Wow. If I was ever in the neutral zone and unknowing, this Benjamin guy just upped the ante and pushed me right into the "Neo group is a cult in every sense of the word and the Archbishop has lost his mind so PLEASE ROME STEP IN" faction. Go Tim! Go Fr. Paul! Go Mary Lou and all you learned Anonymous posters! GAME ON.

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    1. Anonymous (February 4, 2014 at 12:17 PM): Thanks for getting off the fence. Now learn what you can about the NCW — there's a lot of information out there. Read the writings of Fr. Enrico Zoffoli. I've learned a great deal from his piece "The Neocatechumenal Way: A Fearful Danger to the Faith."

      Remember: Knowledge is power. Don't be "unknowing" anymore; become one of the "learned Anonymous posters." You don't have to post unless you want to, just learn as much as you can.

      Also, please write to Archbishop Martin Krebs and ask him to investigate what is happening to our Church in Guam.

      God bless you.

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  25. Mr. Rohr, is there a post or website i can go to view what the Pope had said in the meeting with NCW this week?

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    1. http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/02/01/pope_to_neocatechumenal_way:_build_ecclesial_communion,_evangelize/en1-769304

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  26. Please check zenit for exact wording. Mr Rohr is correct. If you read the text correctly the Holy Father is very concerned now with the issue of unity. Time again the NCW has destroyed unity and this remains a major concern of the Holy See regarding the Ncw. They break the unity of any local church where they operate. history clearly shows this.

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  27. The NCW is a cult yes, but it is also the modern day Italian mafia. kiko had this in mind when he began the movement. It was to create a church within a church that would give him power over many people. Kiko has already tried to influence the appointment of the 2nd bishop of Saipan. The problem is kiko does not the history so his plan was opposed by people. Think about it. Just want readers to think.

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  28. The people of Saipan and I know many of them are giving up hope. They want and love only one priest to be their bishop - they know who. But the higher powers probably did the dirty work of putting a stop to it. Years and years later, no bishop. They know the one they want. But there are strings being pulled behind closed doors.

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  29. Tell me who and I will tell you if true.

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  30. Many issues on saipan need to be resolved from the former bishop. It is the unresolved issues also delaying . Nothing can happen on Saipan for afew years. Impossible.

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    1. Why don't we all just come out and say it? The Archbishop Anthony Apuron via Cardinal Fr. Pius via POPE Kiko all flat out DENIED a Capuchin Priest (whom is so dearly loved by the CNMI) any chance of being their Bishop, this same Friar was also denied the Principal position at Fr. Duenas Memorial School. The only priests to be considered worthy of any positions in our Diocese are Neo Ordained priests or Neo friendly priests. Don't believe me? Who is the head at Fr. Duenas Memorial School now? A NEO Friendly priest. It seems so apparent that our local Ordinary is slowly taking away all of our parishes and handing them over to the NEOCATECHUMENAL WAY. If you look at the trends, they seem to now impose outrageous fees to the Non NEO parishes thus crippling their finances in a means to show instability so that they can take over the parish under the disguise of helping to reduce the financial obligations...in turn they instead plant their NEO seeds and continue to push more people away from the Mother church.

      As far as Mr. L.G. is concerned, he is no different from any NCW member. "I call myself a sinner, therefore it is justified that I am more catholic than you!" We all are sinners Mr. LG. We all know that Christ came to call the sinners to conversion, not to call the sinners to act righteous and condescend anything that isn't NCW. Get off your High Horse and quit trying to act like you know so much, just because you are from the Elitist group of NCW members in the Barrigada communities. Your communities love the way so much, then why not YOU all start your own church. You already celebrate separate from the parish, this sounds like a whole new church to me. You already have your own Pope named Kiko Arguello. You have a Cardinal named Guiseppe and Cardinal Pius and it trickles down to the Archbishop of your Church Anthony Apuron. Our church was brought to Guam via the Holy Spirit working through Blessed Diego de Luis San Vitores, your was brought to Guam via Guiseppe, Pius, and Pat. Seems to me that you are truly confused about who should start a new church. I left the NCW because everyone I know in the NCW is indeed self righteous! They walk around with this brainwashed mentality of the "Regular Mass" not as valid as their Saturday celebrations. So in the eyes of the NCW, any priest not in the Way does not hold a Valid consecration of the Eucharist. Only the NCW priests can do that. Another funny thing is when the Cathedral is being used on a Saturday evening for something of significance, a bunch of the Agana community members start scrambling and wondering, so where will we go to celebrate this weekend? Obviously they can't go celebrate with the Barrigada or Asan or even the Tamuning communities...why? Because YOU CAN"T! It's a secluded celebration and only members of those communities can celebrate. In the REAL Catholic church, if go to Sunday mass in Yigo, Mangilao, Garapan, Chalan Kanoa, California, Europe, Spain, Alaska, Japan or wherever I may be, I can attend the mass. The word Catholic means Universal not seclusion. I can attend mass and be with our Lord and Savior Jesus at any parish. You can only attend YOUR community approved celebrations. This is truly not the way our Church was meant to be. The Christians after the time of the death of our Lord always celebrated in secret due to fear of persecution and fear of death. Nowadays we need not fear and no longer need to celebrate in secret. So why do you all still hide away from the parish? I wonder........

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