Tim Rohr · Top Commenter · Hagatna
Something doesn't smell right about this story. 330 years later, this Casquete guy shows up on Guam to tell us that he doesn't hate the Chamorros for killing his ancestor? WTH? That he is here in the "spirit of reconciliation"...at the same time Apuron is mouthing the same word as he prepares for a serious Roman colonoscopy of his reign of terror? And what's with the sudden interest in the Catholic history on Guam after Apuron just trashed a whole museum devoted to it? Here's a hint. And his last name is Atienza.
And what's with the restriction on photos? Just google "incorruptible saints" and see how the church gladly and proudly photographs these "remains". This chancery is a laughing stock.
And what's with the restriction on photos? Just google "incorruptible saints" and see how the church gladly and proudly photographs these "remains". This chancery is a laughing stock.
In other news:
Pacific Daily News. 12/30/14
Concerned Catholics start petition
http://www.guampdn.com/article/20141230/NEWS01/312300006/Concerned-Catholics-start-petitionBy the way, thanks Jon Calvo for joining.
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| From left: David Sablan, Greg Perez, Vangie Lujan and Jon Calvo, members of the Concerned Catholics of Guam, yesterday, talk about their issues with the local archdiocese. They called a press conference at the Shinny's restaurant in Ordot-Chalan Pago. Among other things, the group is circulating a petition to be presented to visiting Vatican officials early next month. Malorie Paine/Pacific Daily News/mbpaine@guampdn.com |
Pacific News Center. 12/29/14
Concerned Catholics Group Demands Apology from Archbishop
http://pacificnewscenter.com/guam/item/1425-concerned-catholics-group-demands-apology-from-archbishopKUAM. 12/29/14
Catholics group demands apology from archbishop
http://www.kuam.com/global/story.asp?s=27719535Marianas Variety. 12/29/14
I honestly don't know how Neocatechumenal missionary and UOG Professor David Atienza de Fruto figures into this skull story, but he appears in at least three of my posts at The Thoughtful Catholic:
ReplyDelete1) The Xiphias Gladius Project
2) ¡Contaminado!
3) A Neo Seminary Professor's View of Chamorro Prayers for the Dead
Is that same Professor Atienza , the Neocatechumenal Missionary to Guam, who has also taught at the Redemptoris Mater Seminary and that Mr. White has written about? I was just reading about that character last night. Some weird theories.
ReplyDeleteI knew it! The true Holy Spirit that resides in us from the One True Chuch told me that this was a neo-related (I refuse to use caps whenever I reference a cult). I'd rather exhume my pet that I buried n my backyard and pay homage than see these insignificant set of bones! What next? Kiko's and Pius's grandparents bones?
ReplyDeleteCouldn't help but laugh when I read the article in the Umatuna about this "Holy Mass & Prayer of Reconciliation of Our Historical Woundedness incurred in the 17th Century." REALLY, we are going to pray for reconciliation for something that occurred 400 years ago, when we have problems in our Church TODAY that the Chancery keeps ignoring or seems to think doesn't exist!!! Wake up Archbishop, who are you kidding....
ReplyDeleteif this is the same Atienza, then he is not in compliance with the MCW...Let the dead bury the dead. The skull was found..why didn't he just give it a proper burial in Spain or wherever.
ReplyDeleteAtienza is probably going to open an operate the museum, starting with the skull.
What about our neglected GUAM artifacts in our neglected museum. Go to hell!
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DeleteAnthony stop insulting Guam and our history. If you love Kiko Carmen go to them. But stop causing disunity of our church.
Hope Our very own Anthony is one of the new Cardinals. Given a Curia position, taking David and Adrian with him to some dusty back office with piles of mail from Guam to copy 100x in script. Works all around! Adrian can be a Monsignor in the Curia! Archie has a red zucchetto on his bald head...,and David will love the Roman Siesta!!! Ciao, guys.
DeleteInvitation to the Cristo Rey Church. Wow, what took so long. What a way to begin the New Year. No Thanks. I'm going to give the Church a chance.
Delete11:46 I second your motion. Loud and clear: go to hell.
DeleteThanks for providing the "deodorizer" for this fishy story, Tim and Chuck. My reaction was the same as the reaction of Anon 9:06: REALLY?! I thought it was not only a fishy story but also a comical-sounding story!
ReplyDeleteYes, we all see the irony in the Chancery’s reasons for this "act" because the only mending and healing the Chancery should be doing and focusing on right now is from the "bridge-building" that the Nuncio has tasked Apuron to begin.
It appears however, that Apuron doesn't think that the Nuncio's instruction to him is a priority so Apuron, apparently has put it on the back burner. And give us a break, Apuron, your parish visits are hardly what we would see as "building bridges!" nor could you fool us into thinking it is!
Strictly speaking, GuamPDN, Mr. Casquete is probably not a descendant of Fr. Solórzano, because over the last 1000 years or so, most priests in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church have not had any descendants...Instead, they probably share some common ancestors, e.g. Fr. Solórzano's parents. The Variety's use of the term "heir" is more appropriate.
ReplyDeleteChuck, really now. since when do we strictly speak around here?
DeleteVery like AAA trying to detract from the real issues he has caused in the church, and all the hurt he has caused. all smoke screen and at the expense of the Church in Guam..During his parish visit, which seemed so impromptu, since his last visit was 12-14 years ago, he indicated that he wanted to smell like the sheep at the parishes, the only thig is, people saw through his motives of trying to save face.. Its too late now AAA. rather than building bridges, you burnt them behind you, now there is no going back..
ReplyDeleteStink, yes.....smell of sheep, not. Br. ton. Stop using the Pope!
DeleteMore like wolf in sheep's clothing!
DeleteGet rid of this evil man . bipolar . Seriously.
DeleteDon't know why the PDN would even write about this story, let alone interview the family member that brought it back to the island after we sent it back to its rightful burial place. The skull has no important significance to the church or the island.
ReplyDeleteWhy isn't this much attention being given to San Vitores? The archdiocese is spending its limited resources and time to promote the remains on this unknown, however the archdiocese hasn't done anything recently to teach our people about San Vitores who we wanted to be canonized. If UOG wants to spend their money and time on this effort that is fine...so why don't they just conduct the workshops on their conference rooms. What about San Vitores...shouldn't the chancery looking for ways to promote someone significant to Chamorro Catholic history?
ReplyDeleteIf you want to see the true colors of the NCW, go to a service where they're displaying the skull and start saying the rosary. They will be running around like roaches when a light turns on or screaming.
ReplyDeleteIf the skull is not a relic of a saint or other person of significance, why don't they just bury those remains like we're supposed to do?
ReplyDeleteI was wondering the same thing. No disrespect intended, but, yes, what is the intention behind the showing of this skull? At first I thought they were showing a Saint's relics (similar to what was done when St. Terese's relics were brought to the Cathedral); but rather, it's someone showing his great-great-great Uncle's skull? Again, I mean no disrespect, but what is the intent of doing so?
DeleteAlso, pardon me for going a little conspiracy theory a bit, but is it just me, or is it a taaaaad coincidental that this veneration and devotion is happening right before the Apostolic Delegate's visit? Is the intention here to show the skull, or is it to arm AAA and his posse with additional smoke and mirrors? I mean, really -- this has been in the works since August? Let's just back up the bus a few months here. You're telling me that, in the midst of going into hiding as a result of the Msgr. James transfer backlash, AAA, David, and Adrian were on the horn with Manuel López Casquete, coordinating this visit? I just find it all a little too convenient to be believable.
Yep. Total set up. Keyword: Atienza. Big neocat. Very fake. I believe Frs. Hezel and Forbes were called to participate to give the scam some air of authenticity, since they are "real" historians (unlike Atienza who is a make-it-up kikocat.) While I am sure Frs. Hezel and Forbes are aware of the charade, it is probably a good thing they will be at the presentation so they can smack down any kiko crap.
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ReplyDeleteThis reporter was given an exclusive interview
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