Thursday, January 1, 2015

ON THE MATTER OF THE TEACHING THAT "JESUS IS A SINNER"

ON THE MATTER OF THE TEACHING THAT "JESUS IS A SINNER" AND THE GENERAL PROBLEMS CAUSED BY A VERY POOR COMMAND OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE BY RMS-PRODUCED PRESBYTERS

Submitted by Tim Rohr for the Apostolic Visitors:
Most Reverend Archbishop Savio HON Tai-Fai
Your Excellency Archbishop Martin Krebs
Reverend Father Nowak

December 30, 2014, Hagatna, Guam
(A PDF copy may be accessed here.)

Dear Apostolic Visitors:

We have grave reason to believe that despite the promulgation of the recently (2010) approved texts of the Catechetical Directory for the Neocatechumenal Way, the "catechists" and teachers of the Neocatechumenal Way continue to teach a version of the faith that is NOT Catholic.

We believe this is also why Kiko Arguello has been obstinate against the Holy See in the matter of bringing his version of the eucharistic celebration into conformance with the liturgical books as was required by the 2008 Statute of the Neocatechumenal Way.

The following is an example of this sort of departure from authentic Catholic teaching wherein the instructor teaches that Jesus Christ "is a sinner".  


This is a transcript of a recording 1 of a class for the permanent diaconate instructed by a Fr. Angelo Veraldi (SPEAKER) around March of 2014. Upon inquiry, we learned that he was also instructing the seminarians at Redemptoris Mater Seminary (RMS). 

While the primary concern here is Fr. Veraldi's teaching that Jesus Christ "was a sinner", the full text of this transcript is an example of the kind of preaching the Catholics of Guam are increasingly exposed to at Masses celebrated by a "presbyter" ordained from RMS.

The sermons are often grossly disjointed, barely intelligible, laced with theological novelty, delivered as if the "presbyter" had nothing else to do but fill in the required time, and very often, insulting to traditional piety and devotion.

(In fact, the liturgy itself often suffers the same fate as the presbyters lose their place or leave out portions of the Mass. A recent example is the recently ordained Fr. Harold Colorado who was reported to have concluded the Mass by saying "Uh, ok, we're done. Let's go" instead of the required dismissal. 2

There is also the matter of permitting "presbyters" 3 like Fr. Veraldi, teach or preach when their command of the the English language is so obviously negligible. Calling Jesus Christ "a sinner" may be a mangled translation of 2 Cor 5:21 ("For our sake he made him to be sin who did not know sin, so that we might become the righteousness of God in him."), but then all the more reason to not permit such poor English speakers to teach something so critical to our salvation in the English language.

One wonders what is wrong with all the wonderful English speaking priests and professors who could have taught the same course - many of them right here on Guam - that we have to import someone from Italy who can hardly speak the language.

Of course, we know the answer: everyone aspiring to the clerical life in the Archdiocese of Agana must be formed according to the Neocatechumenal Way.

Well then, this is the mess we get.

TRANSCRIPT OF A CLASS TAUGHT BY FR. ANGELO VERALDI TO THE CANDIDATES TO THE PERMANENT DIACONATE OF THE 
ARCHDIOCESE OF AGANA, MARCH 2014

(A blank is entered where the speech is unintelligible.)

SPEAKER: ...very action, action of liturgy.  Liturgical action.  Also when we sight the son by ourself, because as a church we pray for everybody.  And then there is Jesus Christ inside, inside of the sons (signs?).  Sons (signs?) must be referred to, to Jesus Christ.  Is a prefiguration.  He experienced, he experience the son (sign?) before ourself.  Before me and before you, Jesus Christ experience the Son (sign?).  He experience the love of God, the Father.

He experienced the forgiveness of the Father, because he was a sinner.  He became a sinner. Willing, not because he was imposed, because he was a sinner, willingly, willing, a sinner.

SPEAKER: In the mass many times we say, has he approach his passion.  Willingly accepting. Accepting.  He took the sins away, all the sins away.  Then, the time of liturgy is not just to choose some hour and go to the church.  

The time of the liturgy is -- could be always and everywhere.  When we spend some, some, some moments praying the liturgy of the Hour, or we pray -- the Lord’s we pray -- in the Eucharist, for example.  The time is everywhere.  Everywhere.  Any time is good for do liturgy.  Any time.  I don’t do liturgy -- I repeat -- I don’t do liturgy only when I go to celebrate mass; no. Also in my room I do liturgy.  The time -- I repeat -- don’t be a worry about why you repetition because Roman says, “Repetita *juvant.”  The things which you repeat are fruitful.  Are fruitful.  (Chuckled) 

Okay.  And in the time of liturgy we do *cult.  Cult means honor, worship.  Worship.  We do worship.  To whom?  To God, of course.

If we go to the Old Testament, we see the prophets.  What were they doing?  Doing?  They were choosing time to preach the word of God and ask the people to come down to renew themselves. 

And at what time?  Doesn’t matter.  What time?  Doesn’t matter. They are free from the slavery; they have to do some liturgy.  They are in the -- in the side they do liturgy, because they remember.  Remember.  Remember God.  

And fortunately, the Hebrew in exile, in exile, they didn’t live the *cult of Yahweh.  No.  Fortunate. Fortunate.  We sometimes, we, when we are sick, for example, we don’t pray.  We are lazy.  Or we have something to do.  I have to go visit the person.  I have to go to do the work.  And then we forget liturgy.  We forget prayer.  Forget prayer.  But, what does it happen?  Because we are human being. We are not angels.  We are not saints, already.  Already.  Perhaps somebody of you saint already. (Chuckled)  Perhaps.

No, I’m -- I’m not saint already.  I’m not saint.  I wait to be ______, to be ______.

I said to this morning, celebrating mass, we become happy, or you become saint when we observe the Lord.  When we observe the Lord we become saint.  But, what happened?  There’s always devity. Devity.

 UNKNOWN:  Devil?

 SPEAKER:  Huh?

 UNKNOWN:  Devil?

 SPEAKER:  Devil.

UNKNOWN:  Diablo.

SPEAKER:  Diabolus, satan.  He always there.  He’s always there.  And he wants me to observe his law.  But I have to observe the law of God.  And the law of God is not an imposition.  Many times all the Christian think that the law of God is an imposition.  Obligation.  No!  No.  No.  You should put it in your mind: it’s not an obligation.  Because God says also, if you observe my law you will become saint.  You will become happy.  If you -- if you.  And then many times, of course, God says observe entirely as you command to your children.  Observe that.  “Don’t do that!  Do that!” 
“What have I to do that?”
“Because I am your father.”

And then I give you my will.  My will is a law.  The law of God is will of God.  What is the will of God?  Love.  Love.  He loves me and you, when he commands me and you to observe his law.  It’s not a rule.  The law of God is not a rule.  It’s an expression to do something good.  Could be an imposition.  I go on the road and then I saw the light, traffic light, red.  Then I -- I would say, no, I don’t stop.  What happen?  What happen if I don’t stop?

 UNKNOWN:  You get killed.

 UNKNOWN:  Accident.

SPEAKER:  Accident.  Perhaps accident.  Then there is a green.  You do, you do pass.  The same is the law of God.  It tells me how can I behavior myself.  And the behavior should be good, not bad. Paul was feeling this, this battle between him and the Lord.  Was feeling.  He said, me know why.  I wanted to do good thing; I do bad thing.  Then, we are the same as Paul; we are not stranger people. Stranger people from Paul.  No, no, we are the same.

Then, the time to do liturgy is always and everywhere.  And don’t forget that.  Why?  Because we think, many times think that liturgy must be done in the church or in the chapel or in the room or in the powder room, or in that house where I go to celebrate mass.  No.  Everywhere.  Everywhere. Many times I do pray on the plane when I fly.  Many times.

I tell you one fact.  I was once on the plane, and then I saw a Moslem people pulling out of his pocket their rosary, their rosary.  And then I said to myself, “Why am I not to do the same?”  I pull out my rosary and I started to say my rosary. (Laughed)  In front of him.  In front of him.  Because they think to be very, very faithful people.  No, they are faithful as us, as our same thing.  Faithful, the same.

And then I am called to do a ______.  Saying the rosary is not a liturgy.  Saying the rosary not liturgy.  Liturgy maximum could be blessing of the rite of funerals.  They are liturgy.  They are liturgy, but not rosary.  Not the procession.  I tell them, not the procession, not the _________ are not liturgy.

We can call them paraliturgy.  Paraliturgy.  Instead of real liturgy, they are this actions.  But they are not liturgy, because liturgy means action from Jesus Christ with the people, with his people.  This is the definition.

To glorify God and sanctify ourselves.  This is the liturgy, real liturgy.  And who sanctifies our self? Who?  What sanctifies our self?  Sacrament.  Sacrament.  Eucharist, baptism, confirmation, matrimony, anointing to the sick.  All the sacraments give sanctification.  All.  Each one has got one some characteristic.  But is always sanctification, salvation.

In Italy, still now, the parents do baptize their children because they fear, they fear they grow up with -- with legs like this.  *Clown legs, like this.  Or they dream bad dreams.  They do bad dreams, they say, Sicilian people, Sicilian people.  But it’s not for them.  I don’t do liturgy of the baptism for that purpose.  But I do the liturgy of the baptism for becoming Christian.

What does it mean Christian?  To enter your family above.  To experience eternal life.  What is eternal life?  I told you already.  What is eternal life?  You ask ________, (laughed), the oldest.  Full of wisdom.  The old people are full of wisdom. (Laughed)  What is eternal life?  Eh?  Which each can experience.  I -- I say we have to experience yet.

 UNKNOWN:  Salvation.

 SPEAKER:  Huh?  Salvation?  But what is salvation?

 UNKNOWN:  Love of God.

 SPEAKER:  Huh?

 UNKNOWN:  Love of God.

 SPEAKER:  Love!  Very good, very good, very good.  Love.  Eternal life consisting -- do love, in do love.  God save me and you because he loves me and you.  He is giving me salvation through his love; not through my works, which sometimes are bad.  Sometimes I say -- many times I’m bad. Envy, *ill wish, selfishness, sensuality, laziness, indifferences.

 UNKNOWN: Anger.

 SPEAKER:  Anger.  Hunger.  Hunger.

 UNKNOWN:  Anger.

SPEAKER:  Anger.  Anger.  We got age. (Laughed) Otherwise we have -- we have hunger, we are hungry.  Are you hungry or angry?  (Laughed)

UNKNOWN:  Sometimes at the same time.

SPEAKER:  At the same time.

 The time, the time -- I repeat -- the time of liturgy we cannot have to go and _______ on the sea, on the pacific sea.  No.  Or in Guam, in the forest of Guam, no.  In Italy, no.  Everywhere.  Where I am, I can spend time, time for liturgy.  And liturgy must be done for you parents, for you fathers, must be done with your family.  Did you experience sometimes?  Because when I ask some men who is married, “Do you pray with your children?”  As it was a surprise.  Do you pray with your wife before going to bed?

Do you remember what did Isaac with his wife -- Rebecca, no?  Rebecca? -- it’s written in the bible: Before unite themselves they were going out of the bed, kneeling down, pray, and then unite. (Laughed)  Yeah?  They were doing liturgy, of course.  They were doing liturgy, because they thought if we don’t -- if we don’t do that we are not real Christian.  Real Christian believes that liturgy is what -- is an action for Christian.

And then I repeat also the time we cannot have to go and search the time.  No.  Somebody’s walking, can pray, can do liturgy.  See?  If I pray with _______, I go liturgy.  Not every prayer, of course, is a liturgy, not every prayer.  Personal prayer not -- Why?  Because the characteristic of liturgy is to -- is dialogical.

 UNKNOWN:  Dialogue.

 SPEAKER:  Dialogue.  Is a dialogue.  A sense of characteristic of liturgy is dialogue.

UNKNOWN:  Dialogue with God, right?

SPEAKER:  Dialogue with God, or with the people.  With the people to God.  And that is a main characteristic of liturgy.

Some Christian -- I would say many Christian want their children to be baptized privately.  No!  No. Because baptism is not, is not a private thing.  Baptism is liturgy. And liturgy calls people.  Calls people.  Now, the church after the Vatican Second said it will be better to celebrate the various sacrament during the Eucharist, during the Eucharist.

But, what happened?  What happened? All the people were asking the priest, the parish priest, “Could you baptize my son during the mass?”  “Could you make our matrimony during the mass?”  Yeah. And then as there were many asking, the church said stop, stop, stop.  Ask the permission to the Bishop.

Now, in my diocese, if you want to celebrate sacraments during the mass on Sunday, you have to ask the Bishop. Why?  Because there are many, they wanted.  And then the people, normal people, coming to mass were tired.  Every sacrament is a liturgy.  Every sacrament.  Even if you do penance, penance on the road going somewhere, yes, is liturgy, because God, Jesus Christ is here, is there.

UNKNOWN:  So, if a rosary is not liturgy, what other prayers are liturgy?  What prayers?

SPEAKER:  Private prayers are not liturgy.

UNKNOWN:  So, what prayer do I say?

SPEAKER:  Liturgy of the hour.  Liturgy of the hour is liturgical action.  Liturgical action.  Not private.  Privately I said, angelus Domini salve Maria is liturgy, no.

UNKNOWN:  So, are you saying that if I take my bible, do the night reading, by myself, in my room, by using the book, it is liturgy?

SPEAKER:  Liturgy.

UNKNOWN: But if I just go out, like you say, praying or saying the rosary by myself, or in the church, is not a liturgy?

 SPEAKER:  No.  It’s not a liturgy.

 UNKNOWN:  And what is the reason for that, Father?  Why is it that, because I use the book it becomes liturgy?

 SPEAKER:  No, not because I use the book.  I can say the psalms mentally.  I can say it’s liturgy.  Because Jesus Christ.

 UNKNOWN:  For saying the psalm in your own mind it becomes liturgy as well?

 SPEAKER:  Of course, because the psalms are prefiguration of Jesus Christ.  They call Jesus Christ.  Otherwise, we have no liturgy.  Same Eucharist, no.  No?  We have _____ liturgy.

UNKNOWN:  Can I also summarize that the liturgy of the hour is being said all over the world, and at no time is it not being said.  And that’s why when you’re saying it by yourself, you’re saying it with the community of the world.

SPEAKER:  Yeah, of course.  Also Eucharist is being celebrated all over the world, at all time.  All time, for ______ hour, no?

We are here in nine hour before Europe, or something.  And then we are celebrating -- I celebrated this morning, the Eucharist at 8:00.  8:00 was there 11:00, before 11:00.  And then could be said that liturgy -- Eucharist especially -- Eucharist is celebrated all the over the world, at all time, __________ time.

Jesus Christ, when big sacrifice was intelligent.  Was intelligent.  He knew that his sacrifice was celebrated all over the world at all time!  At all time!  The sacrifice in the temple, the temple, is a Jerusalem temple, was said just on that hour.  On that hour only.  The truth of sacrifice of Jesus, the Eucharist, is wonderful.  Wonderful.  Because we can have the fruit from the liturgy at any time!  At any time!  When we are sleeping we can receive, yes, because there are many other communities celebrating.  (Laughed)  Huh?

UNKNOWN:  So, devotion, liturgy and paraliturgy, those are like -- those are not liturgical?

SPEAKER:  No, no, no.  Devotions are not liturgical action.  No.  No, no.  Devotions to Saint Patrick, we are doing the novena of Saint Patrick.  It’s not a liturgy.  Not a liturgy.  Unless it is included in Eucharist it becomes liturgy.

To go to Lourdes, to go to Fatima, to go to Medjugorje, is a liturgy?  No, it’s not liturgy.  Not liturgy. Is a devotion.  If I gather with the other people, celebrating mass is a liturgy, real liturgy.  But not
when I go to the sanctuaries.

UNKNOWN: So, Father, even if we’re gathered as a group and praying, if it’s not a mass it’s not considered liturgy?

SPEAKER:  But should we, the group, should be done -- how can I say? -- some which we can say, we can say, here is Jesus Christ doing this prayer with us.  I repeat, the rosary is not a liturgy.  Not a liturgy.  Adoration to the sacrament is not a liturgy.  Not a real liturgy.  But we have to do.  We have to do.  Not because it’s imposed, but because we need also private prayer.  We need.

Alfredo was saying to the seminarian, “Don’t pray only when you come to a Eucharist or when you come for the little _______.  Pray by yourself.  Yourself, yes, of course.

 UNKNOWN:  Is benediction part of liturgy?

 SPEAKER:  No.

 UNKNOWN:  No?

 SPEAKER:  It’s not.

 UNKNOWN:  But it’s Christ.

 SPEAKER:  The blessing, yes.  The blessing, yes, but not the adoration, not --  something like that.

 UNKNOWN:  But it doesn’t degrade, it’s not a degradation.  The devotion is not a degradation, no?

 SPEAKER:  No.

 UNKNOWN:  It has valid effects?

 SPEAKER:  Oh, blessing, yes, because it’s God who blesses us.  It’s God.  Jesus Christ blesses us.  And he is with me and with you, with the people.

 Funeral, I said before, the rite of funeral is __________.

 Okay.  We can go on, or take a break.

-  End of Transcript  -

Footnotes

1 Recording of Fr. Angelo Veraldi instructing candidates to the permanent diaconate in the Archdiocese of Agana that Jesus Christ "is a sinner".
https://soundcloud.com/undecoverneo/frangelo-march-15-2014-session

2 Account of the celebration of the Mass by Fr. Harold Colorado, December 28, 2014, San Vicente Church, Barrigada, Guam.
http://www.junglewatch.info/2014/12/report-on-mass-with-fr-harold.html

3 The neocatechumenal appear to avoid the word "priest" and use "presbyter" exclusively.

11 comments:

  1. "Willingly, a massive global fraud. Willingly. Willingly. Fraud. In the Church, for the Church. The Church."

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  2. This post reflects what would happen to the quality of priests, faith, and the future of our Church if we allow the RMS Seminary to continue to churn out "priests". This is surely not we want for our children and grandchildren. Let us put a stop to this "charade" We should speak louder to keep Neo Priests out of our parishes. People speak out.

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  3. This type of teaching (embarrassing) coming from a Neo-priest. This is a "wake up" call for us to jointly exert all effort to keep Neo formed prienst out of our Parishes. Think of their influence on our children and grandchaildren. Santa Maria Kamalin, protect us.

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  4. The doctrinal discrepancies that are coming out of the NCW are not just miniscule errors by a poorly indoctrinated catechist, but appear to be an intended plan by Kiko which targets certain fundamental tenants of the catholic faith (Jesus is a Sinner, Man is 0+sin, Eucharist is not a Sacrifice, No Priest but presbyter, church before Vatican II non existent, etc.) to the normal catholic, this may not be too far from what the Church teaches, however these truths are critical and differentiate us from other christian churches and is the reason that we believe the fullness of the Truth exist in the Catholic Church that Christ founded. The Church has debated the heretical teaching of many for 2000 years and in her councils expounded the truth for all to know, all of a sudden, Prophet Kiko emerges after Vatican II and is telling us that what the Church has taught is in error, and what he proposes is the new truth? and People in the NCW, including our Bishop and some priests believe this ?? I'm a firm believer that if it is rotten at the core, nothing good will ever come out of it.

    Thanks to the efforts of many informed Catholics who are aware of the teachings of the Catholic Church and for all your efforts to bring to light all the Truth that our Lord has given us and to continue to oppose the novel teachings of the NCW..
    Happ New Year..

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  5. Gibberish, I could not comprehend any thing he said. How can our faith grow, if we have instructors like this? Catholics of Guam wake up and join the effort to end this purge. Archbishop Apuron are you aware of what you have brought to Guam. Is this what you want to be remembered for. You have an obligation to your flock. Stop this madness. Please

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  6. We are all too familiar with Satan' conniving tricks. But never once in my wildest dreams, thought that he would pull a good one, right here within our own Catholic Church on Guam, in such a small island. I'm speaking about NCW which a few years ago I've been invited to attend their gathering then, was asked to join in that community, in which I did attend for one night. It wasn't enough for me to collect information to learn the difference between Non NCW & a NCW. Till now, on this blog I am learning the difference. And as I learn the only thing that keeps ringing inside my head is about God- The Alpha & Omega, Verbatim, God is the same yesterday, today and forevermore. My question is "Why do we need a change!" We are nobody to make any changes either by adding or subtracting to His Word or any other actions. Tho, please forgive me if I am stepping out off line! It is not in my nature nor my duty to attack you Archbishop Anthony Apuron. God commands us to love the sinner, hate the sin. As my Shepard AAA, I plead with you to please speak up and let me understand the many confusion that I'm going through from the accusations brought against you by different people. Because I don't know and with you're silence I don't know what to believe or is it maybe it's best for me not to know the things that gets published about you, but for the sake of my soul, tell me we are still in the light?

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    1. @2:15 God Love you for writing this. Whoever you are. Lord have Mercy

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    2. It's not the greatest. I was in shock to realize that there is a difference in practice between the NCW and the Non NCW. One Catholic yet two groups. How can this be. I love my Church, and how Mass is celebrated. Like Jesus said "Build My Church, a Church", and He means a Singular Church. I feel the Church is in great disorder. Archbishop, please return our Church back to Order! Asap!. If not by you, then I must discern to support those that will. I will not share my Church with another group performing different practice.

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  7. Arcbishop Apuron not fit to govern Guam.

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  8. Guam lost respect for Archbishop Apuron.

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  9. Here's a theory: what if Kiko isn't actually a reformed atheist, but still is one? Think about it -- his teachings are against everything the Church holds dear. This man has taken our traditions and turned them upside down into something that's just recognizable to maaaybe be legitimate... but enough to separate the weak sheep from the rest of the flock. All in the name of his movement. The scary thing is how successful his Pied Piper routine is -- he is using the Catholic Church as a vehicle to further his brand of heresy and blasphemy.

    People of Guam: this is our fight! God wills it!

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